NFT: Muno up, Montero optioned

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Torres down. All he does is walk guys.

In comment 12238108 Rflairr said:

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Torres down. All he does is walk guys.

My guess is they are going to try to stretch Montero out to become a starter and hopefully take over for Gee.

Montero's future is at starting.

At this point Gee is what he is. He's a good team guy and wants to be here, and also falls apart at exactly 6 innings.

Put him in the Darren Oliver role.

so he's there until he pitches bad enough that he's not there.

In comment 12238153 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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At this point Gee is what he is. He's a good team guy and wants to be here, and also falls apart at exactly 6 innings. Put him in the Darren Oliver role.

This move seemingly indicates they are giving themselves that option (presumably sending Montero to AAA to stretch back into a starter).

In comment 12238108 Rflairr said:

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Torres down. All he does is walk guys.

I thought torres was out of options.

Hallelujah!!!

was an extra spot on the 40, so they didnt have to remove anyone to add Muno, if they have to add yet another player to the 40, the mets can move wheeler to the 60 day DL to free up a spot.

In comment 12238195 sshin05 said:

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was an extra spot on the 40, so they didnt have to remove anyone to add Muno, if they have to add yet another player to the 40, the mets can move wheeler to the 60 day DL to free up a spot.

So why wouldn't a team put Wheeler on the 60 day DL if they know he has no chance of return during this season? What is the incentive to wait?

is what they did to Mejia.

In comment 12238288 sphinx said:

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is what they did to Mejia.

Much different circumstance. What they did to Mejia was the equivalent of doing to a 19 year old top prospect (like Thor) vs. what they are doing to a 24 year old Montero now. That was also without any comparable Matz/Thor/Harvey/Wheeler/JdG/Colon/Niese/etc.

Adam Rubin
So the summary is Montero starts on 28th. It's probably only spot start, but I'd advise Dillon to pitch well next 2 starts.

Vic Black may return within the week. Bobby Parnell longer off. Velocity down Thursday.

Eric Campbell will be the primary third baseman, but Danny Muno will get some time there

They're not planning six-man rotation, so something will have to give.

Terry Collins says Rafael Montero's start on April 28 in Miami. Not committing to just one start, but not saying Dillon on short leash.

Terry Collins said Mets going to a 6th starter. Rafael Montero to return in 10 days.

Andy Martino
Montero is considered ahead of Syndergaard and Matz in that regard. #Mets

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Aside from the short term plan for Montero to start in ten days, expectation is he will be the guy to eventually replace Gee in rotation.

The guy has gone 5+ innings in 48 consecutive starts. He is a fine back of the rotation guy. Some Met fans are lost.

In comment 12238368 SethFromAstoria said:

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The guy has gone 5+ innings in 48 consecutive starts. He is a fine back of the rotation guy. Some Met fans are lost.

I agree - I think this was more a reflection on the BP guys being good so far and Montero not being needed there. Gee has been decent and is a capable starting MLB pitcher, it would be a shame to completely waste him as an asset. My guess is they want to see Montero a few times as a starter before they decide to move Gee for a prospect in a trade similar to the Ike Davis deal last year.

But the fact is, one of them will get traded eventually and Montero has to get ready to take the spot.

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He's just kind of there. He's an okay pitcher.

But the "hate" you mention is likely because he's still in the rotation when there are better options in the minors. Plus, if anything, Montero should have been in the rotation over Gee.

like you suggest. Hes an injury prone, wildly inconsistent, dime a dozen # 5 starter. Could do better, cant do much worse

He's moving up to Binghamton now. Goeddel is the obvious demotion when he's ready, will be very interesting to see how Black looks. This is the deepest bullpen I can recall even going back to the Bobby V. years, which is impressive considering Mejia/Edgin.

Montero is an unknown who could be a nice #3. Let's see if he can fulfill that potential.

That's the difference.

We've lived with him for this long because we had no other options. We now have 3 pitchers in minors that are better than him right now. I don't think its a stretch to say that.

That's why people don't want to see Gee in the rotation any more. Is it really a good thing that Gee can go 5 innings if he is giving up 4/5/6 runs each time?

Montero still has a lot to prove. Let him do it in AAA.

which is why it makes sense to give him a couple turns in the bigs to see if he can carry over what he did in the spring. Over the past 2 years there (160 innings) he's gone 11-8 with a 3-something ERA, 1.2 whip and 160 k's. I don't know that it's possible to do much better in the PCL.

and the Minors. When he gets into a regular season game and throws 30 straight fastballs like he did and abandon his secondary stuff for reasons known only to him and the puzzlement of his Manager Pitching Coach and General Manager. He has shown a million dollar arm and a 10 cent approach to pitching. Earn your rotation spot

Here's a good article on where things stand. They're basically going to the temporary 6-man rotation to make Montero do just that - earn the spot over Gee.
Gee is this year's Ike Davis - ( New Window )

In comment 12238965 Headhunter said:

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and the Minors. When he gets into a regular season game and throws 30 straight fastballs like he did and abandon his secondary stuff for reasons known only to him and the puzzlement of his Manager Pitching Coach and General Manager. He has shown a million dollar arm and a 10 cent approach to pitching. Earn your rotation spot

Earn your rotation spot. We are talking about the #5 spot, right?

Umm, hasn't he done that? He has been killing it in Triple A and was clearly the better pitcher in Spring Training. Where is he supposed to "earn" his spot? Let me guess, you are basing everything off the 44 innings he pitched as a rookie last season, right? Okay.

I wouldn't exactly say that he has a 10 cent approach to pitching. I mean, we are talking about replacing Gee, here. We know what Gee is and it's not great.

you just make invalid observations don't you? You base it on what he has done last year and this year and it adds up to close to a big fat 0. Earn your spot, you don't get annoited.

bigs impressed with what they saw other than this guy? Anyone see the pitcher we thought we were getting? I haven't , maybe I forgot his dominating start or relief appearances, refresh my memory

In comment 12238976 Headhunter said:

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you just make invalid observations don't you? You base it on what he has done last year and this year and it adds up to close to a big fat 0. Earn your spot, you don't get annoited.

Okay, let me dumb it down for you old man. I'll talk slow so you can understand.

He pitched very well in the minors, before and after his stint with the MLB club...AND he outpitched Gee in Spring Training. Judging a starting pitcher off of 4 innings of relief pitching this year is asinine. Nobody is anointing Montero. IMO....he is clearly better than Gee.

Yeesh, I think YOU should probably start actually watching the games yourself. Because you are missing a lot.

In comment 12238981 Headhunter said:

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bigs impressed with what they saw other than this guy? Anyone see the pitcher we thought we were getting? I haven't , maybe I forgot his dominating start or relief appearances, refresh my memory

So we're judging a starting pitchers ability based on four innings in relief? OK.

I clearly wrote and most people can comprehend what last year and this year means. You don't , but that is not surprising. All Montero has proved in the Majors is he might be a good AAAA (chris that is 4 A's) pitcher

In comment 12238981 Headhunter said:

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bigs impressed with what they saw other than this guy? Anyone see the pitcher we thought we were getting? I haven't , maybe I forgot his dominating start or relief appearances, refresh my memory

LOL, I mean, what exactly were you expecting with Montero? I think that may be (one of) your problem(s).

For someone with such a raging erection for the minor league players, its funny to watch you completely ignore that. But go ahead, base your decision off of 44 mid-year rookie innnings last year and 4 relief innings this year...while discrediting the rest.

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Veteran pitchers work on things to improve their game rather than impress people.

In comment 12238989 Headhunter said:

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Lol, fair enough. We disagree on this but that's cool. It would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed on everything.

I like when my premises are challenged, you can rip my posts to pieces as long as you don't rip me. I am not here to debate or try to prove I'm smarter than the next guy. What I want and what I get is knowledgeable Mets talk from a good group that has been here for a while. Please do not stop disagreeing, it would be boring

In comment 12239006 Headhunter said:

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I like when my premises are challenged, you can rip my posts to pieces as long as you don't rip me. I am not here to debate or try to prove I'm smarter than the next guy. What I want and what I get is knowledgeable Mets talk from a good group that has been here for a while. Please do not stop disagreeing, it would be boring

No worries. I wasn't trying to rip you, rather trying (unsuccessfully maybe) to be funny. It's all good.

I am a big Montero fan. I believe he has the goods. He can be a big piece. He needs to repeat up here what he has shown that he could do in the minors and this spring. Really the only thing IMO stopping Montero is Montero

In comment 12239023 Headhunter said:

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I am a big Montero fan. I believe he has the goods. He can be a big piece. He needs to repeat up here what he has shown that he could do in the minors and this spring. Really the only thing IMO stopping Montero is Montero

Completely agree with this premise and that's why I like their decision to give him a chance at the ML level. There is not enough information yet to determine definitively whether or not he gives the team a better chance to win right now as the 5th starter over Gee. Montero definitively has more upside, but now he'll get a start or two to show what he's got. As you said, the only thing holding him back has been himself so far and this is his chance to prove he can rise to the occasion. If he pitches well the spot will be his.

In comment 12238965 Headhunter said:

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and the Minors. When he gets into a regular season game and throws 30 straight fastballs like he did and abandon his secondary stuff for reasons known only to him and the puzzlement of his Manager Pitching Coach and General Manager. He has shown a million dollar arm and a 10 cent approach to pitching. Earn your rotation spot

There is another person who was involved in that 30 straight fastball game. Where's the Catcher's culpability in it?