Entertaining read and it seems none of these type players are perfect fits but in today's NFL we may need one or two to get off the field on 3rd down. Edgers - ( New Window )
captures the conundrum with these guys: who plays the run? You cannot structure a defense solely on defending 2nd & 3rd & long. What do these guys do on 2 & 4, 3 & 2, when they're playing against the Eagles' speed Lombardi sweep with Kelce pulling in front of it? Or facing the Cowboys' imposing physical line? Seattle does the best job of platooning their defensive linemen. And their ends do a decent job of stopping the running game with speed. They run blitz more than pass blitz.
Now some issues with the comments. Beasley is better against the run than run Ceri indicates. And, whoa, no more OLB- DE projections from the Norfolk area.....please. The Giants already have Moore, who is basically worthless against the run. This is a run-centric division, especially if the Redskins stay with RG3. The Giants defense was very efficient on third down last season. They sucked because they could not get to third down enough. They were terrible against the run and defending the short & medium middle zones. They got off the field, alright. In fact, too quickly, by allowing touchdowns.
Teams basically ran away from Pierre-Paul & Hankins, and exploited the soft side of the defense. Staley,the LOT of the Niners, indicated as much after they played the Giants. The exception was the winning drive by Jacksonville when they keyed JPP against the undershift 4-3. That would be Bortles working the read to 90's side.
This is about personnel. Lack of talent. In previous seasons they had played the read well against Newton in 12, Wilson in 13 & in some spots against RG3 over the years. Not in 14. To summarize from above, I would take Beasley or Fowler early. Screw the rest.
Only problem is Beasley Fowler, Cooper,
White, Williams are not going to be there.
I hate the way this draft falls off after them. It remains good afterwards and remains good "long", still the drop off to say Collins, Sherff or Shelton is dramatic. We might as well be drafting from 20 as 9.
I hope there's a chance that Parker is rated with the upper echelon and that we go for him...otherwise......
Are very quick out of a 3- pt stance. I think that is an attribute that NFL scouts pay a LOT oif attention to.
The fact that Dupree was effective out of a 3- pt stance but played little there reminds me of the Titans' scouting of Jevon Kearse. Explains The rumor about where he is likely to be picked inSy's thread.
Full disclosure, those are not my write ups. I just link them because I really enjoy UKGF's writings on the Giants and think folks on BBI would like them too.
What I find particularly interesting on this discussion of edge rushers is UKGF's take and Sy's take on the need for an edge rusher who may not be a perfect fit. They are in lockstep that Giants need one even if not a Giants prototype.
Yes....I don't know how but if we could ignore the OL and a elite wr...and just focus on the DL I'd try to add a powerful DT to collapse pockets with Hankins so Jenkins could play more De against the run and a Shane Ray type of rushing element
Thanks Some fan for posting. I love these. I disagree with your assessment of stopping the run. The way the league is today with passing the ball and QBs making the big bucks, I think the focus has to be stopping the pass. The Cowboys OL worked great last year running the ball but it was the big play to the WR and the short stuff to the TE that scared the defenses. And, if you think specifically to that game against the Giants, Romo had all day to throw especially in the last drive when the Giants had the DL in to stop the run. I look at Belichick and it seems to me that he'll let teams drive the ball down the field and sooner or later, someone will miss a block or jump offside or his guy will make a play in the backfield and they give up field goals not touchdowns.
I don't watch enough college football to know these layers and will defer opinions on these particular players. But, I think Reese signing DRC last year was part of moving the strength of the team from the DL to the secondary. I am curious how he staffs the safety position but it would not surprise me if we went to an edge rusher who can force the QB to throw. Ideally, we 'd want a DE who can do both but there dont seem to be too many of them anymore.
I am not so sure Armstead is a fit for Spag's as a pass-rushing DE and I had a 2nd RD grade on him, but what do I know. I am sure Spag's will get a shot at an impact player on D in RD 1, With that said, the obvious selection to me is Dupree at #9, with a possibility of Shelton at #9 not being negative in any material way. The biggest knock on Dupree is his playing time from a (3) pt. stance which is counter-intuitive to his actual performance in the limited sample size. He is bigger and stronger than Moore as well as more athletic with greater straight-line speed than JPP.
until reading them I didn't have Dupree as an option...boy it's getting crowded. Assuming Williams, Beasley, Fowler, cooper and White are gone (plus the 2 QB's), now I'm merely down to Parker, Ray, Scherff, Collins, Flowers, Peat, Dupree, and Shelton. Unless one of the top five falls. Or and unless there's a surprise..OR....
Truth is, not one of those names would surprise me.
Now some issues with the comments. Beasley is better against the run than run Ceri indicates. And, whoa, no more OLB- DE projections from the Norfolk area.....please. The Giants already have Moore, who is basically worthless against the run. This is a run-centric division, especially if the Redskins stay with RG3. The Giants defense was very efficient on third down last season. They sucked because they could not get to third down enough. They were terrible against the run and defending the short & medium middle zones. They got off the field, alright. In fact, too quickly, by allowing touchdowns.
Teams basically ran away from Pierre-Paul & Hankins, and exploited the soft side of the defense. Staley,the LOT of the Niners, indicated as much after they played the Giants. The exception was the winning drive by Jacksonville when they keyed JPP against the undershift 4-3. That would be Bortles working the read to 90's side.
This is about personnel. Lack of talent. In previous seasons they had played the read well against Newton in 12, Wilson in 13 & in some spots against RG3 over the years. Not in 14. To summarize from above, I would take Beasley or Fowler early. Screw the rest.
White, Williams are not going to be there.
I hate the way this draft falls off after them. It remains good afterwards and remains good "long", still the drop off to say Collins, Sherff or Shelton is dramatic. We might as well be drafting from 20 as 9.
I hope there's a chance that Parker is rated with the upper echelon and that we go for him...otherwise......
Thank you Retro.
Both of you add a lot to the site.
The fact that Dupree was effective out of a 3- pt stance but played little there reminds me of the Titans' scouting of Jevon Kearse. Explains The rumor about where he is likely to be picked inSy's thread.
Really informative write up. Thanks.
I don't watch enough college football to know these layers and will defer opinions on these particular players. But, I think Reese signing DRC last year was part of moving the strength of the team from the DL to the secondary. I am curious how he staffs the safety position but it would not surprise me if we went to an edge rusher who can force the QB to throw. Ideally, we 'd want a DE who can do both but there dont seem to be too many of them anymore.
I have to agree with Retro on his evaluations of the players.
I am not so sure Armstead is a fit for Spag's as a pass-rushing DE and I had a 2nd RD grade on him, but what do I know. I am sure Spag's will get a shot at an impact player on D in RD 1, With that said, the obvious selection to me is Dupree at #9, with a possibility of Shelton at #9 not being negative in any material way. The biggest knock on Dupree is his playing time from a (3) pt. stance which is counter-intuitive to his actual performance in the limited sample size. He is bigger and stronger than Moore as well as more athletic with greater straight-line speed than JPP.
Truth is, not one of those names would surprise me.