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SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 11:52 am
Opening round kicks off today @ 12:30 EST with Wiz vs. Raptors & the whole 'We The North'. Then it's Warriors vs. The Brow/Pelicans. Bulls-Bucks at 7:00, followed by the Texas showdown between Houston & Dallas.

I love the NBA playoffs. Two months of terrific basketball.
I'm excited  
kelsto811 : 4/18/2015 12:30 pm : link
The Warriors/Pelicans series is full of young star level talent....Curry, Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Tyreke Evans, Drue Holiday, Draymon Green....that will be a fun series to watch
as much as I respect Westbrook  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 2:09 pm : link
I'm glad the Pelicans got in. I think they can definitely give the Warriors more problem than the Thunder.

Anthony Davis is the best big on the floor by a huge margin. When you have the hands down best big in a playoff series, your team will always have a chance. I think the Pelicans have the potential to steal a game or two.

Wizards vs. Raptors are so evenly matched. Two mid-level teams led by stud PGs. Both of those PGs have played poorly in this game so far. Old man Paul Pierce is why the Wiz have a lead now.
Pierce backing up his talk  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 2:34 pm : link
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don't even need  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 2:46 pm : link
to turn on an NBA game until the final 5 minutes. Meltdown underway for the Wizards
Big score there from Wall  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 2:52 pm : link
He is criminally underrated.
Paul Pierce  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 3:00 pm : link
hasn't touched the ball in about 5 minutes, meanwhile Beal keeps firing brick after brick. Absolutely awful offense by Washington
Vasquez.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 3:00 pm : link
Damm.
and whoever  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 3:01 pm : link
that was that flopped for Washington trying to draw a charge deserved Vazquez making a three as a result of him flopping like a fish across the court leaving him wide open
Can someone  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 3:03 pm : link
please explain to me what the fuck Washington has been doing the last 5 minutes? Each offensive position is worse than the previous one. What the fuck are their players and coaches doing?
RE: Can someone  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12239091 MookGiants said:
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please explain to me what the fuck Washington has been doing the last 5 minutes? Each offensive position is worse than the previous one. What the fuck are their players and coaches doing?


You got me.Pierce has been great all day. Give him the rock.
RE: Can someone  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/18/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12239091 MookGiants said:
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please explain to me what the fuck Washington has been doing the last 5 minutes? Each offensive position is worse than the previous one. What the fuck are their players and coaches doing?


Randy Wittman isn't a good coach.
Did Toronto  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 3:06 pm : link
not realize they had enough time to catch and shoot?
pierce  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 3:08 pm : link
finally touches the ball and hits a three
GS 10-0 run  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 3:38 pm : link
in what seemed like a minute.
Green and Bogut  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 4:29 pm : link
have just dominated the first half. AD is frustrated.
Curry is so damn  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 5:01 pm : link
Good.
And that should be the game  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 5:04 pm : link
Evans out. AD stinking it up. No chance.

I'll disagree with Osi and say I think I rather see Westbrook shoot it 50 times a game to kep up with GS.
Curry is ridiculous  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 5:12 pm : link
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in the past  
santacruzom : 4/18/2015 5:32 pm : link
I'd be nervous right now, but losing games they shouldn't in the fourth quarter isn't a part of the Warriors' DNA anymore.
Curry & Thompson...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 5:33 pm : link
Fun to watch. Game.
Anthony Davis is a treat to watch.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 5:52 pm : link
I'm envious of those in NOLA who see him on a daily basis. They're watching an all time great at the beginning of his career.
this is one of those  
santacruzom : 4/18/2015 5:57 pm : link
exhibit A games illustrating why Green is going to get a max contract.
RE: Anthony Davis is a treat to watch.  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 5:59 pm : link
In comment 12239175 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm envious of those in NOLA who see him on a daily basis. They're watching an all time great at the beginning of his career.


And the Bulls will get him in the prime of his career!
I love this Pelicans team..  
Sean : 4/18/2015 6:07 pm : link
Davis is just incredible.
the free throw line  
santacruzom : 4/18/2015 6:11 pm : link
Is still unkind to the Dubs -- they either don't get there much, or get there a lot and miss.
Close at the end.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 6:14 pm : link
GS up 1-0.

Bucks-Bulls next.
RE: RE: Anthony Davis is a treat to watch.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 6:15 pm : link
In comment 12239179 dep026 said:
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In comment 12239175 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm envious of those in NOLA who see him on a daily basis. They're watching an all time great at the beginning of his career.



And the Bulls will get him in the prime of his career!


Besides being from Chicago, why would Davis consider Chicago? What are the rumors?
RE: RE: RE: Anthony Davis is a treat to watch.  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 6:40 pm : link
In comment 12239197 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12239175 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm envious of those in NOLA who see him on a daily basis. They're watching an all time great at the beginning of his career.



And the Bulls will get him in the prime of his career!



Besides being from Chicago, why would Davis consider Chicago? What are the rumors?


Hometown, bigger market. Thats a good enough start.
Dep  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 6:50 pm : link
We'll see. I hope he stays in NOLA. I'm a sucker for dudes who stay with one team their entire careers.
nice playoff debut for the Brow  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 7:07 pm : link
35/7 with 4 blocks on 13-23 shooting... highlighted by 18 pts in the last 5 mins to make it a tight game. This guy is special.

But the Warriors are just too damn good, especially Curry. Such a deep and talented team. I think the Pelicans can steal a game or two in this series, but I'd be shocked if they even got to a Game 7.

Can't wait for Rockets-Mavs tonight. I fucking hate the Mavs and I've waited 10 years for a playoff series rematch. I feel pretty confident, I think the Rockets are the more talented team and deserve to be the favorites. But I'm nervous about two things. #1, Carlisle is the 2nd best coach in basketball to Pop while McHale is fairly average. #2, the 15% chance of "Playoff Rondo" making a return scares me. Playoff Rondo is a mofo to deal with, I really hope that guy doesn't exist anymore. Harden needs a signature series as "the guy", I hope he brings it.
Stop shooting fucking 3s  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 7:14 pm : link
worst 3 point shooter, and he keep chucking him.
Parker & The Greek Freak  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 7:20 pm : link
Bucks will be reckoned with soon.
yep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 7:32 pm : link
Bucks are gonna become everybody's favorite Eastern Conference team sometime in the next 20 months.
Aaron Brooks  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 7:34 pm : link
Damn. Looking better than '11 MVP.
Rose attacking  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 7:50 pm : link
is so great. thats all he should do.
3 guys mug Gibson  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 7:53 pm : link
with the ball, he passes it, 3 dribbles later he calls an offensive foul.

Thats poor officiating. Call the foul when he got mugged , and no elbows are thrown.
That Gibson call was BS.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 7:53 pm : link
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just a warning  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 8:00 pm : link
expect a lot of Hack-a-Shaq'ing in the Rockets/Mavs and Clippers/Spurs series.

I think this could be the playoffs that cause the NBA to finally find a solution to the Hack-a-Shaq.
RE: just a warning  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 8:03 pm : link
In comment 12239273 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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expect a lot of Hack-a-Shaq'ing in the Rockets/Mavs and Clippers/Spurs series.

I think this could be the playoffs that cause the NBA to finally find a solution to the Hack-a-Shaq.


Your 3 centers might have the lowest free throw shooting percentage in the history of basketball. Did your 3rd string center make a FT yet?
Rose  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 8:05 pm : link
is mad.
yea he's been on fire lately  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 8:10 pm : link
hitting 4/8 shots the last 2 games of the year iirc. He's also a 60% FT shooter in the NBDL so I think it was just nerves for him.

His name is Clint Capela btw, and he's a legitimately impressive young Center. I hope he gets minutes in this series.
Thibs.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2015 8:13 pm : link
Where will be coaching next season? It won't be Chicago.
RE: Thibs.  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 8:17 pm : link
In comment 12239288 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Where will be coaching next season? It won't be Chicago.


Orlando
agreed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2015 8:27 pm : link
Oladipo is going to become a star under Thibs.
RE: agreed  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12239307 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Oladipo is going to become a star under Thibs.


If they could somehow get Towns...

Payton
Oladipo
Harris
Towns
Vucevic

Top 4 seed in the east within a year or 2.
Good luck Osi....  
dep026 : 4/18/2015 9:39 pm : link
Bulls did what they had to do. Shot incredibly well from 3. Little sloppy with TOs. But Rose attacked more than he has this year, which is a great sign.
Celts looking  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 3:27 pm : link
Good early.
I have no idea why Stevens let Irving  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 4:08 pm : link
Drive up the court uncontested.
Kyrie is probably  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/19/2015 4:18 pm : link
the most watchable player in the league when he's feeling it. Such a smooth game.
He is fun to watch.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 4:22 pm : link
I love Thomas too. He has been great for Boston.
Eh, @ least Boston kept it competitive for  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 4:42 pm : link
A bit.
GSW/SAS vs. CLE/ATL  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/19/2015 4:43 pm : link
A lot of good teams in the NBA this year, but I'd be shocked if the Final Four doesn't include those 4 teams.
Cavs are amazing at last second shots  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 4:56 pm : link
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Osi..  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 4:58 pm : link
If Rose plays like he did last night, I'd give Chicago good odds next round. That's got 7 games written all over it.
if the nets are to have any shot  
hitdog42 : 4/19/2015 6:10 pm : link
then the game needs to be slowed down and lopez should get 25 shots a game. otherwise they are too slow and too stupid to compete with a good athletic young basketball team.
but instead we get iso jack and other dog sh%t.
Hawks are going to ECF  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2015 6:26 pm : link
It's a ? of they face. Chicago or Cleveland.
Memphis is just bullying Portland  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/19/2015 9:05 pm : link
But as bad as the Blazers offense has been, keeping this within 15 pts has them still in it. Big series for the Lillard/Aldridge duo.

SanFran, healthy Rose is absolutely a game-changer. Remains to be seen if he can be that guy every night.
58-39 at the half for Memphis  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/19/2015 9:18 pm : link
they extended the lead at the end of the half there. Not looking like Portland's night at all. Lillard needs to have one hell of a series if the Blazers want to get to round 2.

This is just an appetizer for the main course though. Spurs vs. Clippers. Best series of the first round. Arguably 2 of the top 3 teams in the league right now.

Can't wait for this one. Gotta go with the Spurs due to their bench, but the Clippers are no joke and have the better top-end talent in this series. Watching Leonard guard CP3 is going to be so much fun.
Nice win for LAC last night  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2015 6:53 am : link
Griffin was a beast. Spurs need to bounce back Wednesday night.
This type of start  
dep026 : 4/20/2015 8:19 pm : link
is what worries me about Rose. He had an excellent game 1, and is off to a horrible start. Still chucking way too many 3s. He has to play at a high level for games at a time, not quarters for the Bulls to have any shot.
Bucks type of  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2015 8:27 pm : link
Game.
One of the worst quarters of basketball  
dep026 : 4/20/2015 8:33 pm : link
ive seen in awhile.
That was an ugly, ugly first quarter  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2015 8:34 pm : link
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Jimmy Butler  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2015 10:11 pm : link
Damn.
Jimmy Butler  
dep026 : 4/20/2015 10:11 pm : link
is the player that puts fear into Lebron and the Cavaliers.
Jimmy. Freaking.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2015 10:17 pm : link
Butler.
Fuck  
dep026 : 4/20/2015 10:25 pm : link
if Mirotic is hurt, Bulls probably wont be able to beat Cleveland.
These 1045 starts  
dep026 : 4/20/2015 10:39 pm : link
are fucking ridiculous. Start the games on time. 8-1030. Much prefger a 7:30, 10:00 start.
both Klay and Butler  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/21/2015 9:50 am : link
played great last night. Monster 4th quarters for both players to lead their teams to important wins. Klay carried the Warriors down the stretch as Curry was held scoreless in the 4th quarter, but Butler was even more impressive in Chicago.

I hope Harden was watching and saw two of the other top young SGs in the league tear it up. He had a good overall game 1 with 24 pts and 11 assists, but he only shot 4-11 from the field. His playoff FG% is a bit of a question mark and he needs to answer it with a strong shooting performance from the field. 10+ FGM, 50+ FG%, 30+ Pts. I really want to see a vintage Harden performance tonight to get them out to a 2-0 lead. Hopefully the refs allow Dwight to play in this one, he was dominant in his 17 mins of action in game 1.

Raptors/Wizards and Cavs/Celts also on the sked for tonight. I think Toronto wins at home to tie up the series, and I think the Cavs take care of business against Boston.
RE: These 1045 starts  
nygiants16 : 4/21/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12241956 dep026 said:
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are fucking ridiculous. Start the games on time. 8-1030. Much prefger a 7:30, 10:00 start.


Dep tonight and tomorrow i believe is 7 and 930 on tnt
This C's team is gritty  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/21/2015 9:22 pm : link
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Rondo jsut got an 8 second ball  
dep026 : 4/21/2015 9:53 pm : link
walking the ball up the court unguarded. Put him down as the biggest FA bust of next year. Hes better off going to a shitty team and putting up stats. No contender should want him.

Rondo would actually probably be a good fill in for the 76ers.
Would you look at that? Rondo benched in favor of Fat Ray  
Anakim : 4/21/2015 10:37 pm : link
4 former Knicks on the floor: Chandler, Fat Ray, Prigioni and Corey Brewer with Papanikolaou and Stodemire on the bench.



It's like we're in the playoffs! :D
*Stoudemire  
Anakim : 4/21/2015 10:46 pm : link
And Ariz
*Ariza  
Anakim : 4/21/2015 10:47 pm : link
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RE: Would you look at that? Rondo benched in favor of Fat Ray  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/22/2015 1:20 am : link
In comment 12243593 Anakim said:
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4 former Knicks on the floor: Chandler, Fat Ray, Prigioni and Corey Brewer with Papanikolaou and Stodemire on the bench.



It's like we're in the playoffs! :D


I cannot get over how many fucking former Knicks are in the postseason right now.

However, I can get a chuckle over watching them make the same mistakes they made in NY... for example, Felton misses a wide-open lay-up and JR Smith fouls a guy taking a 3 point shot.
Josh Smith was a beast last night  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 3:00 pm : link
can't believe what a great addition to the Rockets he's been. Him and Dwight just exposed the Mavs last night in the 4th quarter. I think there were 4 or 5 Smith-to-Howard alley-oops in the 4th quarter. It was just hilarious to watch. I was literally laughing out loud watching Josh Smith turn into Magic Johnson for a quarter.

Dwight looks 100% too. It's amazing to watch him play when he's healthy, because he unleashes his strength. Tyson Chandler has no chance against Dwight's strength.

If Dwight is truly healthy and can play like this for the rest of the playoffs, the Rockets have a chance against anyone. Hopefully Harden finds his shot in Dallas and Houston can bring the brooms out. I know that this series is far from over, but the Rockets just look better and I want to sweep that douchebag Cuban badly.
Mavs are ruling out Rondo indefinitely  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 4:03 pm : link
due to a "back injury", according to Marc Stein.

The Rondo experiment is officially a giant failure. The Mavs had the #1 offense in the league at the time of the trade. Going after Rondo was a bold move that backfired.

He's not worth anywhere near the Max.
Rajon Rondo: Team Cancer.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/22/2015 4:07 pm : link
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Chandler Parsons  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 4:40 pm : link
out for the season, exploring surgery options of his knees. According to ESPN's Tim McMahon.

Mavs are falling apart. And with Dirk past his prime in a loaded division, the Mavs look like they're at a crossroads.

Houston better win this series, and they better win it with ease.
More like head injury for Rondo.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 4:47 pm : link
What a headcase.
Osi  
dep026 : 4/22/2015 5:49 pm : link
I felt like this was the ideal matchup for Houston. Dirk and Chandler are aging, Rondo flat out sucks, Ellis is playing ok, but not the guy who can carry the team.

They are old, slow, and not very good. They should win in 4, 5 max. And get some rest as the other two teams slug on each other.
yea I remember you calling a sweep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 6:03 pm : link
But I was hesitant because I thought Carlisle would coach circles around McHale. Has not been the case at all, McHale has done a great job in this series.
Deron Williams  
spike : 4/22/2015 9:29 pm : link
can't even get into a playoff game.
Deron Williams needs to make that shot  
Sean : 4/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
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DW  
spike : 4/22/2015 9:47 pm : link
or he could've passed to the arms of Brooke Lopez and get a layup or potential foul.

But it was a wide open jumped that had to go in.
Memphis just beat down Portland again  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 10:57 pm : link
Mike Conley is bigtime. Most under-appreciated player in the sport. He just does the little things so damn well, he's a pro's pro at the PG position.

Watching Conley play the Blazers unfortunately does remind me of Oden. The Oden/Aldridge frontcourt would've done special things. It sucks for Portland that it never happened, and it sucks for Portland that Aldridge looks 50/50 to leave. Portland isn't just down 0-2, they're on the brink of irrelevance if this is indeed it for Aldridge as a Blazer.

Spurs vs. Clips right now, best series of the 1st round. This isn't a "must" win for the Spurs, but it's pretty damn close after the game one ass-whooping. Huge game.
Mike Conley has outclassed Lillard for two games in a row  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 11:16 pm : link
The difference between Conley and Lillard is that when shots aren't falling for Conley, he'll still be pesky on the other side of the floor. Lillard is absolutely fucking useless on defense, so him being this inefficient offensively is bad news.

Every series thus far has been boring except for Spurs/Clips and GSW/Pel.
As a side note  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 11:23 pm : link
Guys like Meyers Leonard frustrate the hell out of me. Looks the part at 7 feet with a sculpted frame and arms that look like vines, and has a sweet stroke. Why hasn't he put it all together? It's gotta be a confidence or softness thing. I think he can be a really useful player for a team down the line. I hope someone puts him under their wing.
People like to sh@t on billy king  
hitdog42 : 4/22/2015 11:25 pm : link
And the nets, but the fact of the matter is deron is not the player they traded for and if he was much of the vision they came to Brooklyn with would have been realized. They are not much worse then Atlanta and of deron is Utah deron they are a difficult out

They got fckd and it wasn't some obvious bad decision-
Total bummer they should have won today
Event arch nemesis jack played relatively well
Duncan is just out of his fucking mind  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 11:42 pm : link
16 points in 17 minutes on 8 for 9 shooting. The dude just refuses to get old.
Duncan is such an OG  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 12:05 am : link
20 pts on 10/11 shooting from the floor

One of the best ever.
Tony Parker  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 12:09 am : link
needs to make an appearance soon. Otherwise the Spurs are going to lose tonight and lose this series.

This series needs to go 7.
im sure these playoffs will pick up  
MookGiants : 4/23/2015 12:24 am : link
but it's been one snooze fest after another to this point
yea none of these series  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 12:32 am : link
have any juice. Most of these series already seem like they're done.

Hopefully, this Spurs-Clips matchup can gain some heat with a Spurs win. They might be the 2nd and 3rd best teams in basketball, it's extremely rare to see two teams of this talent level play in a 1st round series.

Game is tied right now, should be a hell of a 4th quarter.
77-74 SAS at the end of 3  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 12:34 am : link
Tony Parker 0/5 with 1 pt. Ugly.
I pretty much anticipated all of these boring match ups  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 12:37 am : link
But I thought the Rockets-Mavs was going to be more fun to watch. That game 1 was fucking brutal. Couldn't comment on game 2, because game 1 bored me enough to ignore that entire series.
DUNCAN. IS. INSANE.  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 12:40 am : link
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Man  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 12:46 am : link
Patty Mills was on a heat check alert and he got benched for a Tony Parker who has done nothing all game and has continued that trend.
Kawhi just undressed Redick  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 12:47 am : link
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great finish  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 2:00 am : link
Patty Mills was an absolute killer down the stretch, and Tim Duncan did Tim Duncan things.


Blake had a 29pt triple double, great game overall by him, but those two turnovers he had in the 4th and OT were absolute killers.

The Clippers starting 5 is a tremendous unit, but their lack of bench is going to kill them at some point in the playoffs. Win or Lose this series, I can't see a team with a bench that weak winning a title.
Tim Duncan played like a Top 10 All-Time player is expected to,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/23/2015 2:04 am : link
even if he's 38 years-old. Before he got tired, he was totally whipping the Clippers' asses.

Hack a DeAndre worked because he only made 35%, but the Spurs almost screwed up because they stopped making baskets while they were doing it.

I didn't realize until I watched the postgame how little minutes the Clippers' bench played.
Clips bench played 47 mins tonight  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 2:15 am : link
Spurs bench played 103

With the game being played on Friday, the Spurs should be the fresher squad.

But Timmy did play 44 mins, I wouldn't expect a repeat performance in Game 3.
The fucking Spurs..  
Sean : 4/23/2015 7:12 am : link
never count them out.
Big win for San Antonio  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 7:44 am : link
Vintage Duncan last night. They got a split. For their sake, Parker needs to be able to go tomorrow night.
The more I see Deron Williams,  
Bramton1 : 4/23/2015 8:02 am : link
The more I think Paul Pierce's criticisms were on the money. I think he can't cut it in a big market, and lost a lot of ambition as soon as he got paid.

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Over the past three seasons, in the final five minutes of playoff games in which the Nets are ahead or behind by five points or fewer, Williams is 2-for-17 from the field.
Deron Williams pushed Jerry Sloan out of town..  
Sean : 4/23/2015 8:44 am : link
Rajon Rondo can't get along with coaches. Have to put the blame on the player in both instances.
Kawhi named DPOY  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/23/2015 2:43 pm : link
barely beat out Draymond Green.

Green actually had more 1st place votes than Kawhi (45 to 37), but Kawhi won the overall vote (333 to 317). DeAndre Jordan was a close 3rd with 32 1st place votes and 261 overall vote points.

All due respect to Draymond Green. His ability to switch onto anyone is one of the main reasons why the Dubs are so damn good. Very good defender. And he played more games than Kawhi which matters.

But Kawhi at his best, is hands down the best wing defender in the league. He can just dictate an entire game with his D in a way Draymond just can't imo.

A fucking joke that Kawhi has more DPOYs than Duncan. Duncan deserved 2-5 DPOYs over the past 15 years.
The five guys I love to watch play defense right now  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/23/2015 4:04 pm : link
are (in no particular order): Kawhi, Tony Allen, Chris Paul, Lebron, AD
Thomas is killing the Celts  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 8:20 pm : link
this game. Stevens needs to stay big with Bradley, Turner, and Crowder.
I hate to be that person  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 9:09 pm : link
but if the game is going to be officiated this way throughout the playoffs, just put Lebron in the finals. You cant touch him, and he can do whatever he wants when he has the ball or defends.
Brad Stevens really is a phenomenal coach  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/23/2015 9:25 pm : link
It's clear as day that Celtics team lacks talent. I have no idea how they are in these games, or in this position to begin with.

I wish the Knicks had him as a coach. Instead we have a vastly overpaid coach who looks completely lost.
Dep coming to eat crow....  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 9:42 pm : link
Rose looks really good.
damn  
chris r : 4/23/2015 10:02 pm : link
Rose ain't playin
What's the timetable on Mirotic?  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2015 10:17 pm : link
any shot at the Cavs series?
he hasn't been ruled out for game 4  
chris r : 4/23/2015 10:18 pm : link
.
Thibs end of the game offense  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 10:19 pm : link
is one of the worst in the league. Hold the ball til 3 seconds and throw up a prayer.
Thibs' problem is his minutes management  
chris r : 4/23/2015 10:21 pm : link
Rose has basically played the whole 4th quarter and is dead out there now when they need him.

They may blow this game but its actually not the end of the world.

Another game to get Mirotic back and for this team which has hardly played together to gel before facing the Cavs.
ref  
MookGiants : 4/23/2015 10:24 pm : link
called that foul before there was any contact
RE: ref  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 10:25 pm : link
In comment 12246795 MookGiants said:
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called that foul before there was any contact


It was clearly a foul though.
He hit him  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2015 10:28 pm : link
body to body, clear foul
This rule fucking blows  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 10:36 pm : link
you miss the foul, and the ball is now off Rose. No justice in this call whatsoever. Kenny Mauer continues to be a fucking worthless referee.
And no offense sets again  
dep026 : 4/23/2015 10:41 pm : link
in the last 1 minute for the Bulls. 1 shot attempt in the last two minutes. Lebron will outcoach Thibs so bad next series.
Meanwhile to avoid starting a new thread...  
manh george : 4/23/2015 10:53 pm : link
Berman is now making the case that Jackson may wait until 2016 for the big free agency move. Of course, this is cross-purpose with having Melo on your roster at his age, but it is what it is.

There is also, of course, the possibility that Jackson is being more Zen than Berman gives him credit for, and just not showing his hand.


We'll see.
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most annoying  
MookGiants : 4/24/2015 12:25 am : link
thing about the nba is the timeouts at the end of a game. Great comeback by Golden State but the game has no flow ever at the end of a tight game, makes it brutal to watch.

And then they give each team 3 timeouts for overtime, which I'll never in my life understand. Give them 1 each and move on, would make for a lot better overtimes.
Embarrassing loss by the Pelicans.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2015 12:57 am : link
- They gave up 10 offensive boards in the 4th quarter.
- Davis missed a free throw to put them up 4 late.
- They didn't foul up 3 late.

Curry just whipped fuckin' ass late. Bogut's defense was really good in the 4th and Draymond murdered the offensive glass.
Steph Curry  
Vin R : 4/24/2015 1:41 am : link
with the shot...
Draymond Green  
santacruzom : 4/24/2015 2:20 am : link
Is so max-contract bound it isn't even funny anymore.
RE: Draymond Green  
Vin R : 4/24/2015 2:49 am : link
In comment 12246870 santacruzom said:
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Is so max-contract bound it isn't even funny anymore.


Knicks.
Anyone who gives Green, a 12 and 8 player  
chris r : 4/24/2015 3:16 am : link
the max is going to regret it.
Rose is starting to look like the D-Rose of old  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/24/2015 6:28 am : link
If so, Bulls can definitely beat Cleveland.
Whatever happened to MoM?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/24/2015 9:05 am : link
Figured he would be back for the playoffs.
RE: Anyone who gives Green, a 12 and 8 player  
Audible : 4/24/2015 9:05 am : link
In comment 12246873 chris r said:
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the max is going to regret it.


Yeah, because the best way to describe the guy who just finished second in DPOY voting (with the most 1st place votes) and is 11th in the entire league in adjusted plus-minus is "a 12 and 8 player". Because that's an accurate reflection of his value. Okay.
Someone's going to pay Draymond Green a max contract  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/24/2015 9:11 am : link
and it'll be a mistake.

Awesome defensive player though. Not someone you build a team around.
RE: Someone's going to pay Draymond Green a max contract  
Audible : 4/24/2015 9:28 am : link
In comment 12247012 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and it'll be a mistake.

Awesome defensive player though. Not someone you build a team around.


Keep in mind that the cap is projected to have huge jumps in two consecutive offseasons after this one. A max this offseason will be 25% of the cap this year, but it will only be about 20% of the cap next year and 15% of the cap the following year. Green doesn't have to be an alpha dog on a team at that price.

And it's important to consider who is offering the max deal. Golden State can and will match any offer Green gets. I can agree with someone saying that a team like, say, Charlotte might not want to offer Green the max because their offense is completely broken and he can't do much to fix it. But he's an incredible fit for GSW.
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Totally agree with Golden State keeping him.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/24/2015 10:13 am : link
I was thinking more along the lines of a rebuilding team like the Knicks spending that much on him.


He's a better fit for a team that needs one or two more parts to complete the puzzle, than a team that is going to lean on his ability to take them somewhere.
RE: Someone's going to pay Draymond Green a max contract  
hitdog42 : 4/24/2015 10:33 am : link
In comment 12247012 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and it'll be a mistake.

Awesome defensive player though. Not someone you build a team around.


greg Monroe a much better max candidate...
The max contract for Greg Monroe is still a reasonable contract  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/24/2015 11:05 am : link
"maxing out" a player doesn't always mean 80-100m

Plus, if you're going to spend money, spend money on size, not wings.
what a game last night  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/24/2015 11:42 am : link
these late Western Conference games have been the highlight of the NBA this year.

As great as Steph Curry's shot was (and three point shooting to close out the game), it was really Barnes/Draymond and the role players who did work attacking the offensive glass that won the game for the Warriors last night.

The GM (name escapes me) and Kerr have done a fantastic job building and utilizing an incredibly well-rounded and deep bench this season.
RE: RE: Anyone who gives Green, a 12 and 8 player  
santacruzom : 4/24/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12246999 Audible said:
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In comment 12246873 chris r said:


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the max is going to regret it.



Yeah, because the best way to describe the guy who just finished second in DPOY voting (with the most 1st place votes) and is 11th in the entire league in adjusted plus-minus is "a 12 and 8 player". Because that's an accurate reflection of his value. Okay.


It's not accurate, but it sure is chrisesque!
RE: Totally agree with Golden State keeping him.  
Audible : 4/24/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12247099 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I was thinking more along the lines of a rebuilding team like the Knicks spending that much on him.


He's a better fit for a team that needs one or two more parts to complete the puzzle, than a team that is going to lean on his ability to take them somewhere.


I don't think anyone is signing him to be the alpha dog on offense. But the Knicks wouldn't need him to be. They wouldn't even need to sign him to be the #2 option on offense. The whole reason Melo is on the team is to be the primary scoring option - if he's not in that role he's not maximizing his value. If I'm going to pick a guy to pair with him, I want to pick a guy who complements his skills as the 3/4 as well as possible, and to me that means I want a defensive superstar. If I could choose literally anyone whose contract is up I'd probably choose Kawhi, but really I'm looking for someone who can change the game without needing the ball in his hands and who complements Melo's weaknesses.

It's a moot point anyway because the only way I see Green leaving Golden State is if he gets charged with a felony or something. There's no way they break this team up.
RE: what a game last night  
santacruzom : 4/24/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12247217 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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these late Western Conference games have been the highlight of the NBA this year.

As great as Steph Curry's shot was (and three point shooting to close out the game), it was really Barnes/Draymond and the role players who did work attacking the offensive glass that won the game for the Warriors last night.

The GM (name escapes me) and Kerr have done a fantastic job building and utilizing an incredibly well-rounded and deep bench this season.


This may be an unfair nitpick and it certainly isn't a lone reason, but I think the Pelicans win if not for one dumb, incredibly tone deaf play by Evans.

With Anderson in the middle of a hot streak and up by about fifteen with six minutes left, Evans goes coast to coast, drives to the basket against 3 Warriors (with a fourth rotating to help), and gets blocked. The Warriors score on free throws on the other end.

If Thompson, Curry, or even Speights were shooting as Anderson had been, the rest of the team would have force fed the ball to him almost to a fault.
Who caught the Warriors game last night?  
jdf : 4/24/2015 12:13 pm : link
Fun game, especially if you're a Warriors fan. Steph got crunched on his last-second, game-tying three, and it really should have been a four-point play attempt. Anyway, epic game for SF, and the Pelicans just showed their inexperience in numerous ways.
RE: RE: what a game last night  
jdf : 4/24/2015 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12247287 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12247217 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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these late Western Conference games have been the highlight of the NBA this year.

As great as Steph Curry's shot was (and three point shooting to close out the game), it was really Barnes/Draymond and the role players who did work attacking the offensive glass that won the game for the Warriors last night.

The GM (name escapes me) and Kerr have done a fantastic job building and utilizing an incredibly well-rounded and deep bench this season.



This may be an unfair nitpick and it certainly isn't a lone reason, but I think the Pelicans win if not for one dumb, incredibly tone deaf play by Evans.

With Anderson in the middle of a hot streak and up by about fifteen with six minutes left, Evans goes coast to coast, drives to the basket against 3 Warriors (with a fourth rotating to help), and gets blocked. The Warriors score on free throws on the other end.

If Thompson, Curry, or even Speights were shooting as Anderson had been, the rest of the team would have force fed the ball to him almost to a fault.


Agreed, Evans is good at driving to the basket, but has low BBIQ. He should have been feeding Anderson and Davis all through the fourth quarter. And Monty Williams should have made him do so, or subbed in someone who would.

Also, the Pels gave up way too many offensive rebounds in the 4th quarter. The Warriors were still missing shots, but they were cleaning up on the boards. And that was with a small line-up.
I can't think of a better  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/24/2015 1:12 pm : link
player to be a stretch four for than Anthony Davis and so when Kelly was hitting his shots, it was fantastic for New Orleans. It was foolish basketball to not feed Kelly when he was hot and let him open things up even on his misses.
RE: what a game last night  
santacruzom : 4/24/2015 3:44 pm : link
In comment 12247217 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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As great as Steph Curry's shot was (and three point shooting to close out the game), it was really Barnes/Draymond and the role players who did work attacking the offensive glass that won the game for the Warriors last night.


Draymond not only had two huge put-backs in the final quarter, but he also made a great steal of a pass to Davis that started a fastbreak and resulted in two free throw attempts, which he made.
Curry was big down the stretch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 4:55 pm : link
great game, was really hoping the Pelicans could steal it and make it a series.

LeBron with another 30/10 playoff game, ho-hum. But Kevin Love hit 6 big threes and finished with 23. For all the blame Love gets, the Cavs are a dominant team when Love is on the court. The Celtics arne't much of a challenge but it's still nice to see Love play well in the playoffs.

Rockets vs. Mavs
Raptors vs. Wizards
Clippers vs. Spurs

I really hope the Rockets win tonight and go ahead 3-0, I want this series to be over asap. Raptors on the ropes in Washington, but I think they have a chance to come back if thieir All-Star backcourt plays like it. Spurs vs. Clippers should be great.
Parker playing tonight for  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/24/2015 6:50 pm : link
Spurs.
Rockets win a wild won 130-128  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 10:05 pm : link
to go up 3-0 in the series. The stars came to play in this one. Dirk and Monta had 34 points each, Harden dropped an efficient 42/9 and Dwight had a 26 rebound night in the middle. Let's get the brooms out, I don't want Dallas taking even a single game. The D needs to step it up.

Toronto-Washington in a tight one early in the 4th. Spurs jumped out to an early lead on the Clips.
That Leonard alley oop  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2015 10:36 pm : link
...
Paul Pierce is cold blooded  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 10:58 pm : link
another clutch 4th quarter from him. Wizards up 3-0 now.

Spurs up 8 on the Clips at the half. Huge 2nd half coming up.
I'm guessing the winner of this game  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2015 11:01 pm : link
wins the series. Not going out on a limb or anything, but it feels that way.
both teams are so good  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 11:07 pm : link
I think they're capable of coming back from down 2-1. But yea, tonight's game is enormous and the winner becomes the clear favorite to advance.
Leonard is just a pleasure to watch  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2015 11:09 pm : link
picking up where he left off last year
he's just dominating right now  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 11:15 pm : link
an awesome young player.

The Clips are in deep shit. They need to cut that lead in half by the end of the quarter.
85-55 Spurs in the 4th  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2015 11:46 pm : link
The Clippers simply choked. What a pathetic 2nd half performance.
taking my 2yr old daughter  
hitdog42 : 4/25/2015 8:54 am : link
to the nets game today... 2 rows back. hoping we last through at least half the game!
its ridiculous  
spike : 4/25/2015 8:57 am : link
how the NBA Playoffs is not being shown on ABC, on a Saturday afternoon.

happy 39th birthday to Tim Duncan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/25/2015 3:08 pm : link
Arguably the best player since MJ, arguably a Top 5 player of all-time, hands down one of the best teammates ever.
Guys  
Semipro Lineman : 4/25/2015 4:18 pm : link
hitdog and his daughter are probably 1/30 of the crowd today at the Net game.

Give Nets credit for showing up  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2015 4:19 pm : link
& not mailing it in.
Good Lord  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2015 4:42 pm : link
Deron Williams sucks.
This has to be the worst first round  
MookGiants : 4/25/2015 4:51 pm : link
ever.
RE: happy 39th birthday to Tim Duncan  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12248920 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Arguably the best player since MJ, arguably a Top 5 player of all-time, hands down one of the best teammates ever.


Who you got as your top 5? Gets harder as years go on... I dont know if I have Duncan top. maybe 7-8.
Nets  
spike : 4/25/2015 5:31 pm : link
are actually winning. wow
Ok Rose  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 5:45 pm : link
continue to make me look bad.
Bucks are dirty as hell  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2015 6:23 pm : link
.
RE: RE: happy 39th birthday to Tim Duncan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/25/2015 6:24 pm : link
In comment 12249124 dep026 said:
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In comment 12248920 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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Arguably the best player since MJ, arguably a Top 5 player of all-time, hands down one of the best teammates ever.



Who you got as your top 5? Gets harder as years go on... I dont know if I have Duncan top. maybe 7-8.


All-Time is Jordan + the 3 GOAT Centers (Russ/Wilt/Kareem). 5th place is so tough to pick because of all the guys in contention, including Duncan.

Post-80 (aka post-Magic/Bird), I'd rank them in tiers like this...

Jordan
Duncan/Magic/Shaq/Bird/LeBron
Hakeem/Kobe
Garnett/Dirk/Malone/Barkley/Robinson

Duncan might be the 2nd best player of the Modern Era (post-80/3pt line).
Brooks  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 6:29 pm : link
should be boucned for that. F'n idiot.
RE: taking my 2yr old daughter  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/25/2015 6:36 pm : link
In comment 12248598 hitdog42 said:
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to the nets game today... 2 rows back. hoping we last through at least half the game!


Hope you and your girl had a good time. Nice win, showed atleast a little toughness.

If I could be the GM on any team in the NBA, I think I might go to the Bucks. They're just a few years and a few tweaks away from being formidable.

Rose looks good. Bulls need to re-sign Butler and go all-in on the Rose/Butler backcourt. That could potentially rival Golden State as the best backcourt in the league if Rose really is back.

This is Jimmy Butler's world  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 6:55 pm : link
and we are all living in it.
Jimmy. Freaking.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2015 6:55 pm : link
Butler.
23 at the half  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/25/2015 6:58 pm : link
I can't believe he's become such a good offensive player.
Thibs better hope  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 8:00 pm : link
his Orlando teams can keep other teams in the 70s.
Rose hasnt been great tonight  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 8:14 pm : link
but he is worlds better where he was in the middle of the year and now has made two HUGE plays in a row.
Too much dribbling by  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 8:19 pm : link
Rose. Has to be 1 move and go.
Well Rose  
dep026 : 4/25/2015 8:19 pm : link
you just lost the game for your team. Just pathetic.
RE: RE: taking my 2yr old daughter  
hitdog42 : 4/25/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12249245 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 12248598 hitdog42 said:


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to the nets game today... 2 rows back. hoping we last through at least half the game!



Hope you and your girl had a good time. Nice win, showed atleast a little toughness.



thanks dude. Was a very fun day- she held up well - the series has been pretty even though out. Bogdonovic was tough today- and Lopez/johnson created matchup issues. Horford looks like a shell of himself. Lopez has owned him. I see little reason why they cant tie it up Monday if they bring the effort.
Draymond Green  
santacruzom : 4/25/2015 9:14 pm : link
Is all like, "Will you dumbshits stop scoffing at my max contract worthiness?"
Hoping the C's can win  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 12:33 pm : link
today.
Curry was insane  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/26/2015 12:38 pm : link
Anthony Davis is already a monster and the future of this league, but he still has quite a ways to go defensively. He's slow and late on rotations and just a little dumb on D right now, getting by on his freakish gumby length/quickness more than actually sound D.

Once Davis steps his mental game up on D, he will finally become a legit DPOY candidate. And that, along with more offensive growth as a ball-handler/creator, will make him unstoppable.

Great season for the 22 year old Anthony Davis. But 27 year old Steph Curry was slightly better this year, and had a far better supporting cast. Surprised that the Pelicans couldn't even steal 1 game, but they had their chance in Game 3 and let it slip away.

Memphis is just punching Portland in the face over and over again, and there's nothing the Blazers can do about it. Memphis vs. Warriors will be an interesting playoff battle.
Blake Griffin is a great player  
KWALL2 : 4/26/2015 12:44 pm : link
but he needs to be more aggressive today. This is the game of his career right now.

When he gets the ball at the free throw line both Diaw and Splitter are letting him shoot. STOP settling for that jumper and take 1-2 dribble and rise above these guys for a better shot.

Too often he gets this ball at this spot and doesn't even look to drive. He kicks it out too much. Or he settles for a jumper. That's what they want you to do. Every time you do that its a win for the Spurs.

Catch that pass, instantly drive and beat the hell out of those 2. I'm a Clippers fan. He needs to score 40+ today and play more aggressive on getting closer to the basket.

Tim Duncan has been amazing especially when you consider he was doing it against Jordan. It was a low post clinic in that last one.

Must win for Clippers.
Huge game for the Clippers franchise  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/26/2015 12:48 pm : link
but I'd say an even bigger game for Chris Paul than Blake Griffin.

CP3, despite playing well in the playoffs, has never advanced to even a CF. That's a hole in his resume that is keeping his legacy from becoming something greater. He's one of the greatest PGs ever, period. But he needs to prove it on the big stage. And he needs to deliver a monster performance today.

I'm rooting for the Clips hard. I want this series to go 6/7.
Clips-Spurs is a huge one at 3:30  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 12:52 pm : link
LAC need to win or it's over.
Love's shoulder pops  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 1:23 pm : link
out. Such a painful injury.
Kelly Olynyk  
jdf : 4/26/2015 1:26 pm : link
just pulled Kevin Love's left shoulder out of its socket. Pretty ugly to watch...
The JR Smith/Mozgov  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 1:27 pm : link
trades were so underrated by the Cavs. Without Shumpert, Smith, Mozgov - they would be in deep trouble. And they would still have Waiters. Yikes!

Love out for the game. Any long term injury will hurt them against Chicago.
Isiah Thomas  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 1:29 pm : link
has been fuckign awful. He needs to stop shooting.
Love is a big loss  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/26/2015 1:41 pm : link
he does mean a lot to that team. He could be out a while if it's serious.
that was a pretty dirty play  
Sgrcts : 4/26/2015 1:52 pm : link
What a terrible loss. Looks pretty serious. Olynyk should be suspended.
Hey Kendrick Perkins  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 2:03 pm : link
is still a fucking POS.
Holy shit  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 2:07 pm : link
Crowder gets T'd for getting a forearm to the face. Perkins gives the forearm ands puts his hands in Crowders face and stays in the game.

Disgraceful.
I still cant believe they didnt toss  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 2:12 pm : link
Perkins. That's a blackeye for the league. He's a good. Who throws a forearm to a guy's neck purposely and then shoves him in the face.
Stevens is acoaching an awful game  
dep026 : 4/26/2015 2:15 pm : link
you dont bench your best players for periods at a time. Turner and Zeller have had good games all series and havent sniffed the court this quarter.
Clips Spurs  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 3:42 pm : link
This is a huge game.
Great start for Clippers  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 3:44 pm : link
.
Kevin Love dislocated shoulder.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 4:52 pm : link
That is a huge, huge injury.
Austin Rivers.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 5:43 pm : link
WTF?
Clippers need to hold on  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/26/2015 5:56 pm : link
cannot choke here.
Big win for Clippers.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 6:11 pm : link
Paul was huge. This series is going 7.
Chris Paul really stepped up  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/26/2015 6:17 pm : link
Best of 3 series, w/ 2 Clips home games

Impressed at the way they bounced back from the game 3 beatdown.


Hopefully the Rockets take care of business tonight so I can just sit back, relax, and watch the Spurs/Clips series.
I'm enjoying this potential Shaq-Reggie Miller feud  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/26/2015 10:52 pm : link
Way more than I'm enjoying this Houston-Dallas series.

Shaq is fucking insufferable. He takes everything personal and gets over the top emotional and gives corny come backs.

Not to mention that he's actually so bad as an analyst that he's fucking amazing for the show. Everyone in the room knows he's a fucking clown piece. I always find myself laughing at him rather than with him.
pathetic Defense from the Rockets  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/27/2015 12:02 am : link
they need to fix that D if they want to beat either the Clippers or Spurs. And they still need to finish off the Mavs at home. McHale better stress Defense over and over again in practice.
big game 4 tonight in brooklyn  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 11:43 am : link
Series has been pretty even. it would be quite nice to see them go back to the hawks 2-2. with horford and milsap not looking healthy and back in the swing... the hawks look beatable- they basically took the last month of the season off as well- so these are their first meaningful games in ages.
Lopez and Johnson are going to have to carry the nets.
elite rim protector.  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 1:02 pm : link
According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Hawks have gone 5-for-21 in the series on shots contested by Lopez at the rim. In Game 3, they went 0-for-8 in such situations.
I love watching the Spurs play  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/27/2015 1:42 pm : link
and I'd like to see them keep chugging along, but Chris Paul needs to win this series for some people to realize that he is an all-time great point guard. I hate that he punches guys in the nuts, but his game is incredible.
Good God  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2015 8:37 pm : link
Chicago is sloppy with the ball.
and the real D will finally appears!  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:02 pm : link
13 in the 4th so far!!!
LETS
GOOOOOOOO
Found him. Where do I collect?  
Bramton1 : 4/27/2015 9:05 pm : link
jeff teague  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:18 pm : link
flops about as much as kyle lowry. absurd the respect the refs give him.
WTF  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:25 pm : link
are the nets thinking!!!!!!
you go OT or game over!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
Going to OT  
Bramton1 : 4/27/2015 9:28 pm : link
As for Williams' last shot, if he puts a tad less on the shot, it drops and he's the hero. Don't have a huge problem with that.
this is just a great game  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:35 pm : link
hawks ball movement, big shots by nets.

come on baby. dont give up easy buckets make them work!
GAME TIME!!!!  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:42 pm : link
2-2...... these teams are evenly matched--- BEST OF THREE!!! pressure on the hawks.... And deron williams just decided to remember he is a good basketball player.
BOOM
BROOKLYN!!!  
Bramton1 : 4/27/2015 9:42 pm : link
Tied series!
I almost had a heart attack when dwill shot that  
kelsto811 : 4/27/2015 9:43 pm : link
With 6 seconds left....what a win!
and the 2  
MookGiants : 4/27/2015 9:43 pm : link
people who actually care go wild!
RE: and the 2  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:45 pm : link
In comment 12252608 MookGiants said:
Quote:
people who actually care go wild!


packed house, arena rocking... really could care less about how much anyone cares... i care about playing meaningful games each season... and for this team that is occurring.
I honestly didn't even realize  
B in ALB : 4/27/2015 9:46 pm : link
that the Nets were in the playoffs until I saw it on my TV channel guide earlier today. I thought it was a replay of an old game.
tickets  
MookGiants : 4/27/2015 9:46 pm : link
were going for a high five and a coke on stubhub when I looked earlier
who cares?  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2015 9:48 pm : link
its one of the 3 best playoff games so far this season.... and Brooklyn on the winning end of it.
Dwill back
Lopez big again
Johnson big when it mattered
Bogs proving to be dynamic offensively.

Love it- get one in ATL lets go.
Lol Mook really hates the Nets  
kelsto811 : 4/27/2015 9:53 pm : link
Oh well
The Bulls are playing pathetic basketball  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2015 9:56 pm : link
game 6 just shouldn't be happening but might.
Awesome game  
threeofakind33 : 4/27/2015 9:56 pm : link
awesome crowd, awesome atmosphere.

They have not hit that many big shots all year. Is there anyone who DIDN'T hit a big shot?

Looking forward to going to Game 6... maybe they'll have a shot to win their way into Round 2??
I would actually want to keep thibs  
dep026 : 4/27/2015 10:16 pm : link
If he benched rose when he plays like a fucking bum. But thibs is fucking clueless.

Most overrated coach in the NBA.
Derrick Rose 3 for 16  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2015 10:16 pm : link
Yuck.
if love is out for the playoffs....  
dep026 : 4/27/2015 10:45 pm : link
They should just let golden state and whoever they play in the WCF for the title.

Really disappointed with rose and thibs. Kidd is running circles around him.
it's still really weird  
santacruzom : 4/28/2015 2:31 am : link
to hear or read Golden State referred to as a powerhouse.

Really, really weird, but weird in a good way. I hope we enjoy a Giants season this weird.
RE: tickets  
Section331 : 4/28/2015 8:15 am : link
In comment 12252618 MookGiants said:
Quote:
were going for a high five and a coke on stubhub when I looked earlier


Knick fan butt hurt?

I checked StubHub for Knicks tickets...oh, never mind.
lets focus on the task at hand  
hitdog42 : 4/28/2015 9:21 am : link
game 5---
I was pleased to hear some hawks players note the atmosphere was tough to play in down the stretch (I believe Teague commented) --- and the players are embracing the crowd--- the nets are really lacking front court depth- at times I think lopez is going to keel over playing 40 minutes
Bogs has been fantastic the last 2 games. Outplaying Korver is a massive plus for the team.
Its early but I want them to face the Wiz badly to see some Pierce bad blood emerge
It's too early to look ahead like that  
kelsto811 : 4/28/2015 9:26 am : link
I really hope the nets can take this one in Atlanta. I hope Joe can go off...its rediculous the boos he gets every time he touches the ball....
the boos make little sense  
hitdog42 : 4/28/2015 9:28 am : link
he made the team relevant for a few years even if it was nba purgatory--- they won a series, he played all star basketball, and by all accounts he is a good guy.
its very stupid to boo him non stop as if its some villain coming back
For me the key is limiting the turnovers  
kelsto811 : 4/28/2015 9:30 am : link
Seems simple but this Hawks team moves
Hitdog  
kelsto811 : 4/28/2015 9:30 am : link
Exactly...pretty disrespectful
Nets looked good yesterday  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2015 9:34 am : link
If Deron play like that every game they could take the series but he has not shown in awhile that he can play back to back games like that...

For the past few years the Hawks played in the playoffs they always seem to lose on the road and win their home games, see if that holds true....

Bulls played last night like the series was already over, hard to put away a young team that his hungry...Bulls still win the series butthe Bucks are not going to make it easy...

Portland came out and did what they had to, force a game 5, but i dont think they win in Memphis, Conley or no Conley
RE: Nets looked good yesterday  
santacruzom : 4/28/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12253079 nygiants16 said:
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Portland came out and did what they had to, force a game 5, but i dont think they win in Memphis, Conley or no Conley


I'm hoping they do... that's more rest for the Warriors!

Hey guys, did you know that the Warriors -- the Warriors! -- are the #1 seed, the championship favorite, and almost had 70 wins in a season?

I know, right?
Hawks fans booing Johnson  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/28/2015 1:57 pm : link
annoys me too, makes no sense.
No offense osi  
dep026 : 4/28/2015 8:45 pm : link
but I really want to see Dirk have a huge night. Rumor has it this is his last season. Hate to see him stink it up like he has through little more than the first.
fuck Dallas  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/28/2015 11:19 pm : link
that was such a satisfying series victory. After all the shit between Cuban and Morey this off-season, everyone in the media predicting the Rockets to implode and the Mavs to compete for a title, this feels good. The Rockets were the better team and I'm glad they ended this series in 5. They needed to atleast get to round 2, and I hope they're ready for the step up in competition this next round.

I respect the hell out of Dirk, he's an all-time legend and someone who I can't help but like as a person. It would be easy for me to hate Dirk as a Rockets fan, the way I hate McNabb as a Giants fan. But whereas McNabb was a fake piece of shit, Dirk is genuine and clutch. I don't know if this is his last season but it feels good to kick his ass in the playoffs for once.

Harden needed to step up in the playoffs. He answered a lot of critics in this calendar year. He was the clear team leader and captain of the USA Gold team, and then he followed that up with an MVP-caliber season. But the playoffs are where stars cement themselves as legends. And Harden needed to prove that he could play his style in the playoffs. He dropped 28/8 tonight and made huge plays down the stretch in a closeout game. He averaged 28/8 on 47% shooting (~65% TS) this series. Great series from him and I hope he keeps it up vs. the Spurs/Clips, Harden vs. Kawhi would be something.

Say what you want about Dwight Howard. I know what a two-faced clown he is. But the guy is at the stage of his career where he can see the window for him as a star closing, and all he cares about is winning. He knows it's Harden's team and he just wants to do his role as a monster rebounder/defender who's capable of scoring. And make no mistake, a healthy Dwight like the one we've seen in these playoffs is a beast of a player. I'd love to see Dwight and DeAndre go head-to-head, it'd be an amazing rebounding battle.

Great win. Good job by McHale too. He's not the best Xs and Os guy in the league, but he's such a good team leader. Everyone respects and loves him as a coach, and that's all you can ask for. The way he embraced Josh Smith is a big reason the Rockets are going to advance. I hope he's ready for Pop if that's who the Rockets face.
this Clips-Spurs game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/28/2015 11:44 pm : link
could potentially be the best game of the playoffs. Two awesome teams in an enormous situation. Tight game so far in the 1st half.
If you could get points for bitching,  
no one would ever beat the Clippers.
Turned it on  
MookGiants : 12:43 am : link
and the hack a Jordan nonsense is in full swing. Would stay up to watch it but im not staying up to watch this garbage. It might wind up being a close game but this shit ruins it for me.

Amazing that they haven't fixed this yet, it's such an easy fix and they still can't figure it out.

Any intentional foul is 2 shots and the ball. Or any intentional foul and the team that was fouled can pick whoever they want to shoot the free throws.

They have to put an end to it, because it destroys these games. One of the few tight games in these playoffs is just as awful to watch as the blowouts as a result.
Or alternative could be not being such a  
GODdamned disaster at the free throw line. It's smart basketball because the Spurs have trouble stopping the Clips pick and roll and Doc refuses to take Jordan out until the 3:30 spots of the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
Where  
MookGiants : 12:48 am : link
did I say it wasn't smart basketball? It is, but it's absolutely fucking awful to watch.
A great game turned into  
SimpleMan : 12:51 am : link
a terrible one to watch. Who wants to watch this shit? Its horrendous. Agreed, they need to fix this asap.
I think this is going to be  
the last year of this shit.
I don't think they should change the rule...  
just make the free throws. Being big is no excuse... Yao Ming was a great free throw shooter. Plus, it's not like a guy has to shoot 80% to make the Hack a whatever strategy go away... 60% would get it done. Blind, one-armed 8 year-old girls should be able to shoot better than Jordan does from the stripe.


Kawhi is having a horrendous game.
I really don't like Big Baby, Austin Rivers, Matt Barnes,  
Doc Rivers, or Chris Paul.
Damn, Chris Paul just killed Danny Green with  
a stutter step.
Patty Mills should be out there  
.
Chris Paul bitching  
just cost them a point.
I'd be lying if I said the refs weren't screwing the Clips a bit,  
but they complain so freaking much that I just can't feel bad for them.
suspenseful game  
santacruzom : 1:40 am : link
I'm counting on a Clippers miss though.
I know this is nitpicking - Chris Paul  
dep026 : 2:04 am : link
6 seconds left in the game, down 1. Everyone knows he is going to get the ball, so what does he do? HE tries to flop like a fish before he gets the ball and draw a foul instead of working to get open.

He's one of the biggest floppers/whiners in the NBA, and in a situation like that it matters.

And Doc Rivers crying about the officials. Make free throws and get a rebound at the end of the game. Very unlikable team.
Osi  
KWALL2 : 3:09 am : link
I get it that you are a HOU fan but saying "Howard is a beast" is almost as ridiculous as Howard saying he should be on the Mt. Rushmore of Centers.

The other team calls it a win when HOU drops the ball into Howard on the post so he can take 2 awkward steps and throw up an off balance left handed brick.

He's absurdly overrated.

I also would like to see LA vs HOU so Jordan can expose is limited game to a wider audience.

Worst call of the game  
KWALL2 : 3:13 am : link
How about that travel on Griffin? What a joke. I'd like to hear the explanation on that one.

A close 2nd was the clear mistake on the Barnes put back.

Or the two 3 second calls on the Clippers (BOTH were under 3 seconds and outrageous calls).

Or how about the foul call on Paul when Leonard was on the ground with the ball. You NEVER See that called.

But dep has a point, Paul is a chump for flopping on a court with guys like Parker and Ginobili on the other side.

I am not a bash the ref guy but there were some outrageous calls starting with that travel on Griffin. It wans't a travel but a foul on 2 SA players.
I dunno  
santacruzom : 3:18 am : link
saying that a guy "playing like this is a beast" isn't really too controversial when "like this" equals 16 points, 19 rebounds, four steals and four blocks.
Sure it is  
KWALL2 : 3:53 am : link
16 points? With many coming because they fouled to put him on the line. He offers nothing on offense except a delusional post game that doesn't work.

Dal missed about 60 shots today. He was a really beast grabbing all of those misses.

Was dirk a beast today too? He had 20+ and 14 reb.

Howard is no beast. He can't carry a team even as a #3.

Easily one of the most overrated players of the past 20 years. And that is clear because we still have people calling him a beast.
Easy to talk so strongly  
hitdog42 : 6:29 am : link
After a guys back has been fckd for a few years
Unmmmm carrying the magic to the finals? Beating lebron along the way? Yeah he was so overrated pre injury

And yes beast only has to do with points- ??? The rebounds, creating of rebounding opportunities for others, defensive presence- yeah as a # 3 he is terrible...... What game are you watching? This sounds like a bitter rant from 3 years ago when he was whining like a bitch to be traded from Orlando
Dwight has a lot of offensive value  
defenses pay attention to him. He's not a good post-up player, but teams still double him a lot. And his work in the PnR with Josh Smith and Harden was probably the key to this series. Unlike in LA, Dwight's realized that the PnR is where his bread is buttered. He's not some great offensive player, but someone capable of averaging 16-20 PPG on great efficiency from the floor is a very valuable offensive player.

And he's awesome on the boards and on D. Watching Dwight play defense and then watching DeAndre Jordan playing defense right after, you can really see how much better Dwight is at positioning himself on D. DeAndre was 3rd in the DPOY ballot and a healthy Dwight is a clearly better defensive player than DeAndre imo.

17 PPG -- .580 FG% -- 13 RPG -- DPOY-caliber impact

That's a beast.
if someone were to show me  
santacruzom : 4:06 pm : link
the box scores Nowitzki and Howard put up in the first round and say that they were equally impressive all around and represented equal contributions to their team's overall success, I'd have to think that person has an agenda.
agreed on both the above posts  
hitdog42 : 4:34 pm : link
BIG GAME tonight in Hotlanta!!!
Nets need to keep moving the ball and keep switching screens on defense. all of the pressure is now on the hawks.

and I will be there Friday night in Brooklyn, so lets hope its for the knock out!
very disappointing performance  
hitdog42 : 8:37 pm : link
from the nets so far.
joe johnson with just 4 shots--- a lot of forces, little ball movement, and giving up easy buckets.
Pretty weak but still down just 11
back to 5  
hitdog42 : 9:09 pm : link
big 3 from bogs... atlanta does not like the 4th quarter.
lets gooooooo
That last call in the hawks game just confirms how much  
Peter in Atl : 9:19 pm : link
the association sucks.
instead of exploiting the extra attention  
hitdog42 : 9:23 pm : link
to find an open teammate- jack decides to go 1 on 4.
huge swing.
would have never thought teague makes that chuck 3 there given they have litle 4th quarter offense outside of the 3
Such garbage  
kelsto811 : 9:33 pm : link
Down 2 with a little over a minute and Joe just sits at the top of the key until the clock hits 5 and goes pure isolation...no sense at all
instead of moving the ball  
hitdog42 : 9:35 pm : link
they just go full iso.
Really stupid.
As good as jack was scoring, he gave up every basket in the 4th, either because he cant guard a pick n roll or cant guard man to man.
2 of 3 road games winnable --- not good.
Lopez looked tired tonight the lack of front court depth hurt them.
Need to get one Friday night.
Lopez look as bad as I've seen him in a while  
kelsto811 : 9:38 pm : link
couldnt get any positioning...won't fault him for Horford but eventually you do have to stop letting him take that shot
RE: instead of exploiting the extra attention  
santacruzom : 4/30/2015 3:27 am : link
In comment 12257003 hitdog42 said:
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to find an open teammate- jack decides to go 1 on 4.
huge swing.
would have never thought teague makes that chuck 3 there given they have litle 4th quarter offense outside of the 3


I didn't see this game, but that exact thing happened in the Warriors comeback game against the Pelicans. NO was up by 15 or so with 6 minutes left and Ryan Anderson on fire, and Tyreke just up and decides to take it to the rack surrounded by four Warriors. I simply couldn't believe it.
Ok Rose  
dep026 : 4/30/2015 7:05 pm : link
step the hell up. If you get outplayed by MCW again, its unforgivable.
Greek Freak  
dep026 : 4/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
will be suspended to start next season. Fuckign Bush league move.
Greek Freak.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/30/2015 8:09 pm : link
Stay classy.
lmao just saw the score  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/30/2015 8:11 pm : link
what did he do?
RE: lmao just saw the score  
dep026 : 4/30/2015 8:13 pm : link
In comment 12259525 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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what did he do?


Dunleavy gave him a little cheap shot on offense. missed shot, dunleavy runs the floor, gets open for a 3, shoots it, and the freak basically just speared him into the front row.
The hack a Jordan  
dep026 : 4/30/2015 10:52 pm : link
in the first half really fucked Pop. Duncan and Parker each have 3 fouls and Clips go on a huge run.
jamal Crawford just took  
dep026 : 5/1/2015 12:23 am : link
5 steps after the catch right in front of the refs.

I hope pop blasts these officials like rivers did. Clippers have gotten every call tonight.
that actually shoukd be goaltending  
dep026 : 5/1/2015 12:26 am : link
Cause diaw touched if off the rim. It should be 2 points. Diaw didn't goaltend. That's a bad call.
Dep  
KWALL2 : 5/1/2015 2:20 am : link
Are you fucking blind?
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 5/1/2015 6:30 am : link
In comment 12261228 KWALL2 said:
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Are you fucking blind?


Being that you're a clippers fan, I would think you look at calls on a doc rivers level, which means you want every single call. From my angle when diaw touched it, it wasn't in the cylinder.
Spurs Clips tomorrow night.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/1/2015 6:44 am : link
Awesome. This series deserved to go 7.
heading back to the nets game tonight  
hitdog42 : 5/1/2015 9:56 am : link
Saturday my daughter was good luck.... hopefully Friday its my wife!
RE: RE: Dep  
MookGiants : 5/1/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12261276 dep026 said:
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In comment 12261228 KWALL2 said:


Quote:


Are you fucking blind?



Being that you're a clippers fan, I would think you look at calls on a doc rivers level, which means you want every single call. From my angle when diaw touched it, it wasn't in the cylinder.


On the overhead angle it was clear that Diaw touched it on the cylinder, not sure if you saw that angle
RE: RE: RE: Dep  
dep026 : 5/1/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12262088 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12261276 dep026 said:


Quote:


In comment 12261228 KWALL2 said:


Quote:


Are you fucking blind?



Being that you're a clippers fan, I would think you look at calls on a doc rivers level, which means you want every single call. From my angle when diaw touched it, it wasn't in the cylinder.



On the overhead angle it was clear that Diaw touched it on the cylinder, not sure if you saw that angle


I saw it about an hour ago. Which thrn was the right call. But it looked clean from the side angle.
Spurs or Clippers  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/1/2015 2:51 pm : link
I have no idea who I even want the Rockets to face in the next round. Both teams are so equal but so different. I might lean towards preferring the Spurs, but that means Kawhi on Harden in the 4th quarter which would be scary. But if you're the runner-up MVP, you need to get yours. Would be some matchup.
RE: Spurs or Clippers  
giants#1 : 5/1/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12262842 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I have no idea who I even want the Rockets to face in the next round. Both teams are so equal but so different. I might lean towards preferring the Spurs, but that means Kawhi on Harden in the 4th quarter which would be scary. But if you're the runner-up MVP, you need to get yours. Would be some matchup.


As a fan of neither team, hoping for the Spurs. The Dwight-Jordan hackfest would be unbearable!
hopefully it goes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/1/2015 3:02 pm : link
the other way in a LAC/HOU series and they decide not to even use that hack-a strategy since they both suck at FTs.
here's something scary to think about  
santacruzom : 5/1/2015 3:50 pm : link
Klay Thompson's dad has apparently heard that the Warriors will go hard after Durant when he is a free agent.
Clips vs. Spurs Game 7  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/2/2015 4:27 pm : link
might be one of the biggest 1st round games in recent history. With Love injured, there's a really good chance that the Spurs and Clips are both Top 3 teams in the league with Golden State.

One of them being eliminated this early is crazy.

This is a Legacy game for a lot of people. Chris Paul needs this more than anybody. Blake and DeAndre need this. The Spurs desperately want to advance past the 1st round in their attempt at a repeat. A Spurs loss could possible be the end of the Duncan era.

A lot on the line in this one, with the winner facing the Rockets in the next round. Such a monster playoff matchup, can't wait.
Clippers win big tonight.  
KWALL2 : 5/2/2015 6:03 pm : link
IF Griffin doesn't settle for jumpers. He must punish Splitter and Diaw.

Speaking of Diaw, if he took care of his body better he would be an excellent starting player right now.

It was great seeing the hack a jordan backfire in that last game. I hate that shit but I would do it if too if I had a guy shooting 37%.



RE: Clips vs. Spurs Game 7  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2015 6:05 pm : link
In comment 12266813 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:
might be one of the biggest 1st round games in recent history. With Love injured, there's a really good chance that the Spurs and Clips are both Top 3 teams in the league with Golden State.

One of them being eliminated this early is crazy.

This is a Legacy game for a lot of people. Chris Paul needs this more than anybody. Blake and DeAndre need this. The Spurs desperately want to advance past the 1st round in their attempt at a repeat. A Spurs loss could possible be the end of the Duncan era.

A lot on the line in this one, with the winner facing the Rockets in the next round. Such a monster playoff matchup, can't wait.


Osi, yup. I ditto all you said. This could be a history changing moment for both franchises. I'm pumped. Cracking open first brew now.
Wonder if Pop will sit Parker in crunch time  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 9:17 pm : link
Mills has been better this series.
rooting for the clippers  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:01 pm : link
Is like rooting for the evil side.

Paul and rivers are by far and away the two biggest crybaby es in the nba.
Is doc of with that continuation?  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:14 pm : link
Yiu know where Blake dribbled and took 3 steps after being fouled.
LOL  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:37 pm : link
refs just won the series for the Clippers.

Calling a fgoul there is a fuckign disgrace. Wonder if Doc was ok with that call too?
Complete embarrassment  
Sean : 5/2/2015 10:38 pm : link
.
Duncan is such a badass  
Sean : 5/2/2015 10:40 pm : link
.
That sucks  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2015 10:43 pm : link
hopefully the Bulls make it a series, if the Spurs are out I won't have much of an interest in what happens.
Black Eye series for the NBA  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:43 pm : link
Doc cries like a bitch after game 5 even though the Clips blew it, the referees hand them two games.

No pushoff on that basket by Paul? Of course not.
paul is sick  
GMenLTS : 5/2/2015 10:43 pm : link
.
brutal, brutal  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/2/2015 10:44 pm : link
foul call on the Clippers' penultimate possession. But Chris Paul hit some absurd shots that make you shake your head.

As much as I despise Paul's antics, he needs this playoff win for his legacy. He is an all-time great point guard, but just hasn't gotten over the hump in the playoffs.
Wow  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:44 pm : link
thats a joke the Clips time keeper starts the clock.

Spurs got fucking hosed this series.
Glad to see..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2015 10:45 pm : link
the NBA is still the same. The refs determine the outcome of most close games.
RE: brutal, brutal  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:46 pm : link
In comment 12267571 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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foul call on the Clippers' penultimate possession. But Chris Paul hit some absurd shots that make you shake your head.

As much as I despise Paul's antics, he needs this playoff win for his legacy. He is an all-time great point guard, but just hasn't gotten over the hump in the playoffs.


It wasnt his skill to get him a series win, it was his tears. And it was a fucking joke.

Doc Rivers is a fucking clown.
CP3 at 30 years old  
chris r : 5/2/2015 10:46 pm : link
finally makes a meaningful shot.
Chris Paul  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/2/2015 10:48 pm : link
is an incredible player.
RE: Chris Paul  
dep026 : 5/2/2015 10:49 pm : link
In comment 12267583 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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is an incredible player.


He's very tough to root for since he bitches and cries at everything.
CP3  
chris r : 5/2/2015 10:52 pm : link
also routinely gets exposed by the bigger more athletic elite PGs in the league.
Who are  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 12:42 am : link
These players that routinely expose Paul?
Wow  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 12:44 am : link
Paul pushed off on his drive?

Dep. Just stop watching. There is no helping you.
Dep  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 12:47 am : link
You really need a kick in the balls. It may be the only cure for the kind of stupid you bring to this topic,
RE: Wow  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 12:47 am : link
In comment 12267750 KWALL2 said:
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Paul pushed off on his drive?

Dep. Just stop watching. There is no helping you.


Yes. He clearly did. Every annoucner and broadcaster said it. You cannot put your arm into his wait and extend. Holy shit, I am going to ask if you are fucking blind. The TNT crew was literally laughing at how oopen he got.
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 12:48 am : link
In comment 12267758 KWALL2 said:
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You really need a kick in the balls. It may be the only cure for the kind of stupid you bring to this topic,


Go fuck off or fuck yourself. You know fuckign dick about basketball. Nice to see you jump on the Clippers bandwagon after years of choking.
Yeah  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 12:53 am : link
Jumping in the bandwagon after 20 years.

Keep exposing yourself as a fool.
RE: Yeah  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 12:58 am : link
In comment 12267772 KWALL2 said:
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Jumping in the bandwagon after 20 years.

Keep exposing yourself as a fool.


If I continue to expose the patheticness of Doc and Paul - will you cry and bitch like them?
And notice like Doc  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 1:01 am : link
how Kwall doesnt even acknowledge a phantom foul with under 20 seconds left that had more impact than any other play in the series. If the refs ignored Paul's obvious flop, its at worst OT.

Doc didnt mention that in any interview, but he sure did cry about an obvious call in the 3rd.

Hopefully the rockets take care of the LACrybabies. So we dont have to hear Kwall say how overrated Howard is or how great his "Clippers" are for another 20 years.
RE: Wow  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 1:06 am : link
In comment 12267750 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
Paul pushed off on his drive?

Dep. Just stop watching. There is no helping you.


Go to the 1:38 mark. Clear as day. Pause. Put it in slow mo. That is 10x the foul than the one they called on Duncan. You can not put your arm into the defenders away and extend. That is called a pushoff.

Now go to bed.
Paul pushes off - ( New Window )
You're the type of fool  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 1:09 am : link
(And it's very common with nba fans) who goes overboard on 50-50 calls that don't go your way.That is obvious by your comments here.

When a guy drives to the basket, there is always contact. bitching about it when it doesn't go your way exposes you as a basketball bozo.

End of story.

Dep
Ha  
KWALL2 : 5/3/2015 1:09 am : link
"Put it in slow mo"

Hilarious.
RE: You're the type of fool  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 1:13 am : link
In comment 12267796 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
(And it's very common with nba fans) who goes overboard on 50-50 calls that don't go your way.That is obvious by your comments here.

When a guy drives to the basket, there is always contact. bitching about it when it doesn't go your way exposes you as a basketball bozo.

End of story.

Dep


So are you calling Doc Rivers a bozo since he does it publicly after games and during in-game interviews.

The Duncan fould was pure BS, and if you believe that is a 50-50 call, then it porves you are not a fan of the game for 20 years. I never ONCE saw that called at the end of the game.

But at least you admit that Rivers is a bozo.
RE: Ha  
dep026 : 5/3/2015 1:14 am : link
In comment 12267797 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
"Put it in slow mo"

Hilarious.


I didnt think you were smart enough to see it real time. I was trying to help your rose colored eyes.
RE: RE: Ha  
santacruzom : 5/3/2015 2:27 am : link
In comment 12267805 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 12267797 KWALL2 said:


Quote:


"Put it in slow mo"

Hilarious.



I didnt think you were smart enough to see it real time. I was trying to help your rose colored eyes.


I think what he is getting at is that refs don't have Slow Mo Vision. It makes it less of a disgrace and more of an understandable mistake.

Personally, I don't sympathize with the Spurs. I've seen those guys on the favored end of officiating way too many times.
great game betweent the Wiz and Hawks  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/3/2015 3:14 pm : link
Bradley Beal came out to play. Pierce and Wall doing their things. Wiz up 4 with 4 to play.
Jon Wall with a great play to seal the game.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2015 3:22 pm : link
Colin Cowherd: But he dances too much...
I've been a Wall fan since Kentucky  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/3/2015 5:31 pm : link
and he always came off as a nice and likeable guy. That Cowherd rant because Wall dougie'd in intros pissed me off so much. And Cowherd refused to back off that opinion. Such a stupid reason to rip on a young player. Cowherd is such a tool.

Really happy to see how Wall has grown into a franchise player. He's a true PG and floor general. If he can thoroughly outplay Teague in this series, the Wizards have a great chance to advance.

The Grizzlies just have no chance against the Warriors without Conley. And even with Conley, the Warriors are just a matchup nightmare for Memphis. I'm hoping Memphis grinds their way into this series somehow, but I'm expecting GS in 5.
watching wall, as a nets fan  
hitdog42 : 5/3/2015 5:37 pm : link
makes me sick to my stomach. we set a league record for sucking and got the 3rd pick. awesome. and we didnt even try to tank...
absolutely ridiculous.
Wall is a stud and the parts of his game he worked on are impressive now as well.
Huge series for Rose  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 7:04 pm : link
gotta get 1 at Cleveland.
Mike Miller guarding Pau Gasol?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/4/2015 7:09 pm : link
What could possibly go wrong?
Ideal Quarter  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 7:23 pm : link
Great shooting quarter, and Dunleavy came to play.

Irving taking over  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 7:45 pm : link
Thibs cannot play both Gibson and Noah at the same time. There is absolutely no offense/spacing. They are using James Jones to guard Noah, and he still cant do anything.

Mirotic had a fantastic year and he wont get any burn because of Thibs stubornness.
even though it's in Cleveland  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/4/2015 7:50 pm : link
Bulls need this game more imo. Great start.
Thibs is a good coach but his rotations and minute management sucks  
chris r : 5/4/2015 7:53 pm : link
Mirotic and Gasol should not play together.

Neither should Noah and Gasol but that ship has sailed.
hey KWALL  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/4/2015 7:56 pm : link
I can't wait for Dwight vs. DeAndre, should be fun to watch. Dwight will need to clearly outplay DeAndre if the Rockets want to win this series imo. And DeAndre is looking to get paid this off-season, so you know he'll be going hard after Dwight.

CP3 is a game-time decision but I think he's prob good to go. Hopefully Harden outplays CP3 this series, the play of those 2 will have a huge impact on the outcome of this series obviously.

And I hope Blake doesn't go nuts and the Rockets bench is enough to overcome the Clippers' superior starting 5.
Thats clearly a goaltending  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:00 pm : link
and of course these refs overturn the offical with the best view.

Fuck the NBA. Seriously.
And whats fuckign pathetic  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:02 pm : link
is instant replay would have been quicker than the shit they just pulled.

You cant call anything against the Lebron Cavaliers. Fuck that shit.
Lebron spears Butler  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:03 pm : link
no call. Maybe the refs should get together and overturn the call.
LOL  
MookGiants : 5/4/2015 8:04 pm : link
at Bulls fans ever complaining about a star getting some calls.
Chris Paul will not play tonight WOW  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/4/2015 8:05 pm : link
Must-Win game for the Rockets tonight. Gotta get this one.
RE: LOL  
chris r : 5/4/2015 8:06 pm : link
In comment 12270920 MookGiants said:
Quote:
at Bulls fans ever complaining about a star getting some calls.


Lol at your logic.
Yes Osi  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2015 8:08 pm : link
Dwight vs Jordan should be a good one if the coaches don't ruin with he fouling.

Paul would have given LA a huge advantage at this position but now who knows what he has left.

Of course, I'll take the Clippers in 6. ;)
And you know its fucking rigged  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:14 pm : link
when they call it an "inadvertent whistle". No it wasnt. The ref who called the goaltend (and he signaled it 3 times) knows exactly that its his call. He was in perfect position to make that call.

But Kenny the cheat Mauer, comes in and knows the play cant be reviewed, so he makes up a rule to take the basket away. Its pure BS and nothing is ever done about it.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2015 8:15 pm : link
The ole "you rooted for Jordan 25 years ago so don't get made when LeBron gets a call" bit. Those posts always make me laugh.
I'm thinking this Cavs/Bulls series  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2015 8:17 pm : link
won't have one call go against CLE. NBA has clearly conspired to make calls against any team Dep wants to win.
RE: I'm thinking this Cavs/Bulls series  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:18 pm : link
In comment 12270955 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
won't have one call go against CLE. NBA has clearly conspired to make calls against any team Dep wants to win.


Oh great fucknut is here. Dust off your clippers t-shirt. 20 years is a long time. Hope it still fits.
RE: I'm thinking this Cavs/Bulls series  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:19 pm : link
In comment 12270955 KWALL2 said:
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won't have one call go against CLE. NBA has clearly conspired to make calls against any team Dep wants to win.


And I'll make sure I'll do my best CP3, Doc Rivers, and Kwall2 when the Bulls "supposedly" get fucked out of a call. But unlike you, Ill at least get the play and situation right.
If you're going to provide  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2015 8:28 pm : link
this kind of quality entertainment I may be a regular on the NBA thread.



Face it...everybody in the NBA is against your team.
You coming around once every 20 years  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:30 pm : link
is still too much. You "diehard" fan.
Noah  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:36 pm : link
needs to sit. Just useless out there.
feeling a monster Cleveland finish coming  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/4/2015 8:43 pm : link
but Bulls are getting it done through almost 3.
& back to 8.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2015 8:44 pm : link
Cleveland scored 7 in a row way too easily right there.
RE: feeling a monster Cleveland finish coming  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12270999 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:
but Bulls are getting it done through almost 3.


If Delladova and Shumpert bang threes, its going to be hard press for the Bulls to win.
Good job weathering the storm  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:49 pm : link
but this is where money time players come. Against Miami when Rose was healthy, they always had a hard time closing it out. Lebron is going to try to dominate, so the Bulls need to keep their composure.

Brooks could be a key guy here. Delladova cant guard him. If he can hit a couple shots this quarter, it would be huge.
11 point Chicago lead heading into 4th  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2015 8:49 pm : link
You know Cleveland's got one big run in them.
Shumpert  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
is now Korver-esque.

Bulls cant get any stops with this lineup. And cant score. A thibs special.
Good Lord.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2015 8:57 pm : link
Noah is like a shell of his former self. Cavaliers within 4.
Hinrich and Noah  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 8:57 pm : link
are bad basketball players. And Thibs swears by Kirk Hinrich. Snell needs to be in the game to defend Kyrie. Not a fucking scrub.
Kyrie on the otherhand  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/4/2015 9:05 pm : link
is a good basketball player.
Not feeling confident  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:07 pm : link
Bulls cant get stops and arent getting good looks offensively.

Thibs has to find a way to defend this James/Irving pick and roll.
lol  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:12 pm : link
sure it was.
Not even close to a charge  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:12 pm : link
but it was Lebron.
Dont settle for 1 on 1 shit Thibs  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:19 pm : link
this is fuckign pitiful. Run an offense.
D Rose needs to stop fucking pretending  
chris r : 5/4/2015 9:19 pm : link
its 2011 and start playing like PG.
Huge shot from Butler  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2015 9:21 pm : link
.
Rose hurt  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:21 pm : link
Fuck.
RE: D Rose needs to stop fucking pretending  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12271121 chris r said:
Quote:
its 2011 and start playing like PG.


Normally I would agree. But thats what Thibs always does at the end of a game. He did it with Nate, Augustin, and just did it with Butler.
Great win  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:26 pm : link
Butler was f'n awesome again. Gasol was huge in the 2nd half. Dunleavy did his thing in the first. Rose played pretty well all game.

They needed this game because Cleveland will figure some things out. Hopefully Rose is fine.
Rose is fine  
chris r : 5/4/2015 9:34 pm : link
.
19 out of 20  
santacruzom : 5/4/2015 9:35 pm : link
of your posts on these threads are a complaint of some sort. Weird shit.
That reporter  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:42 pm : link
went up to about Deandre Jordan's waist. And dont think he didnt notice.
dep's game thread posts  
illmatic : 5/4/2015 9:48 pm : link
almost makes me want to see the Bulls lose, even though I'd prefer them to beat the Cavs. It's just a constantly stream of freaking out and complaining.
Blake Griffin Show  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2015 9:50 pm : link
Is on. He needs to take off and lead he break today.
RE: dep's game thread posts  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12271207 illmatic said:
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almost makes me want to see the Bulls lose, even though I'd prefer them to beat the Cavs. It's just a constantly stream of freaking out and complaining.


Then dont read them. Its that easy. People bitch in every game thread, especially in the playoffs. So if you dont want to see it, then its a simple solution.
Eh, leave dep alone  
BigBlueShock : 5/4/2015 9:59 pm : link
he's no different than the rest of us when our team is in the playoffs. Let the man have his moment when his team is playing.

One of these years the Knicks may somehow squeak into the postseason, and you can bet your ass that we'll be just as bad. Hell, we've been just as bad when their playing the Sixers in December.
There were some big time offseason acquisitions...  
dep026 : 5/4/2015 10:18 pm : link
James, Love to Cleveland
Gasol to Bulls
Pierce to Wiz

But dont underestimate Ariza going to Houston. They didnt have that wing defender for years and now it makes such a huge difference. Parsons was a nice scorer, but Ariza brings a little more.
this is impressive shit  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 12:01 am : link
For the Clips to be playing like this, on the road, without Chris Paul, only two days after ending a seven game series... Damn.
that was fucking  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/5/2015 12:29 am : link
embarrassing. We just lost to a team on our own homecourt that was starting Austin fucking Rivers in a playoff game. A team that has Hedo fucking Turkoglu playing minutes. Just a pathetic performance. 0-1. Game 2 is a must-win now.

Blake was unbelievable. He's such a complete player now compared to a few years back. Another triple double. He carried that team tonight and was easily the best player on the floor. I need more from Harden. He's very smart about picking his spots but he needs to be more aggressive in the playoffs.

This one is a kick in the nuts. So pissed.
Austin fucking Rivers  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/5/2015 12:36 am : link
I can't get over this shit. That was a shitshow in a huge game by the Rockets. Where the fuck was the defense?

We beat an old ass Mavs team, great. But we can't even take out a Clips team without Paul?

McHale better tear these guys a new asshole. There's no way Paul is playing in Game 2 now. The Rockets absolutely need to win game 2. Must win. I would be so disappointed if they came out flat and played no D yet again.

Santa, you're a great poster and you know I've been high on the Warriors for years now. But I'm in ANYONE BUT THE WARRIORS mode right now. They've just made it look way too easy this year. They're just so damn good. I'm jealous. Hopefully the Rockets find their balls sometime in the next 2 weeks and can give you guys a challenge in the WCF (Grizz are helpless).
I missed the game tonight  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/5/2015 12:37 am : link
But came on this thread just to say that the Rockets lost to a Clippers team with Austin Rivers starting at PG. Looks like Osi covered that though.

This really sucks. The Rockets were the lesser of the two evils for me. Don't want the Clippers to succeed at anything. Have to respect Blake Griffin though. Hell of a fucking player.
Bulls baby!  
Vin R : 5/5/2015 12:44 am : link
.
RE: Austin fucking Rivers  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 1:40 am : link
In comment 12271448 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:

Santa, you're a great poster and you know I've been high on the Warriors for years now. But I'm in ANYONE BUT THE WARRIORS mode right now. They've just made it look way too easy this year. They're just so damn good. I'm jealous. .


Honestly, I get that. I mean, even I somewhat miss the scrappiness that comes with being a challenged underdog all the time. As a Bay Area kid in my early to late teens during the 80's, I was annoyed by how routinely awesome the 9'ers were and chose to go with my dad's team (the Giants) instead of rooting for the home team. It feels weird having a team I like becoming awesomely dominant, though it's a weird feeling I'd like the Giants to inflict on me some day again all season long.

I will say this though: listen to some Soundcloud interviews and radio show appearances of anyone on the Warriors and you may change your mind.
especially  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 3:17 am : link
Steve Kerr and Bob Myers interviews. I'm starting to think of the two as emblematic of how a coach and GM should be. At the very least, you'll be entertained by any interview of them because they're both thoughtful, candid and funny. But more than likely you'll think to yourself, "This guy could run for Governor and I'd vote for him."

Especially Kerr, who seems to have no ego. Unlike his predecessor he prioritized assembling a highly-skilled staff and then actually deferred to and empowered them. But he's got a little sarcastic edge to him that is sometimes even a little Popovichian. He's not gratuitous about it, but he'll unleash it when appropriate. For example, when they lost two meaningless games in a row during the final month (having already locked up best record in the West if not the league by then) and some reporter asked him some stupid apocalyptically-themed question, Kerr was like, "Do you think we should start calling new plays and experimenting with new rotations because we've lost two in a row?"
I hate you  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/5/2015 3:41 am : link
because it's so damn hard to hate you. You're just better than everybody else and it isn't even remotely close. The only team with the precision and toughness needed to take you out was the Spurs, and even that was unlikely with Tony and Manu playing like old farts.

There's no scenario I can see the Warriors losing the title this year outside of Bogut getting hurt or LeBron having the best series of his legendary career. And even if LeBron goes 40/10/10 over 7 games, the Warriors still might win that series because of their depth. It's unfair how good you are. The '15 Warriors are the best sports team I've seen since the '07 Pats. And that '07 Pats team was FAAAR better in the 1st half of that season than the 2nd half. This Warriors team has remained at a consistently dominant level. This is a legendary team and season if you can complete it.

Yes, I'm trying to jinx you guys.
well, I still won't believe in Warriors championship rings  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 12:18 pm : link
until I see them.

But c'mon, they're not just really good, they're also really likeable! And part of why they are so good is because they have crazy, ridiculous chemistry. To a man, they all talk about how they enjoy spending time with each other, which translates itself on the court as unselfish play. The new coaches all say they've never seen anything like it in other teams. Sometimes it might actually hurt them, such as when Klay or Steph get hot and the other guys pass up good shots to force feed them the ball.
RE: well, I still won't believe in Warriors championship rings  
dep026 : 5/5/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12272103 santacruzom said:
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until I see them.

But c'mon, they're not just really good, they're also really likeable! And part of why they are so good is because they have crazy, ridiculous chemistry. To a man, they all talk about how they enjoy spending time with each other, which translates itself on the court as unselfish play. The new coaches all say they've never seen anything like it in other teams. Sometimes it might actually hurt them, such as when Klay or Steph get hot and the other guys pass up good shots to force feed them the ball.


Teams are disliked the more they win. So if they win it this year, you will be surprised to see how many people root against them next year. Goes with the territory.
Rivers isn't bad  
KWALL2 : 5/5/2015 12:54 pm : link
He gets in trouble when trying to do too much or dribble through traffic. He's a good slasher and can drive and get to the rim. Griffin really helps without Paul because he can handle a lot of the PG duties.

today, Colin on the Herd still dismissing Griffins talent. For years he called him strictly a volleyball player (nonsense) and now says he wants his top player have the ability to make it easier for others to score. Id say that's one of the true strengths of his game. Anybody who doesn't see it simply isn't watching.

It didn't just happen in this series. He has always been a strong passer who gets others easy shots. When Paul went down last year he showed it big time without a PG.

Barkley comments were off to when he lumped Griffin in the group of Clippers that can't get their own shot. tusts not accurate at all. He can get to his spot on just about anybody and he's a one man fast break.
LeBron trying to Bruce Bowen Jimmy Butler  
chris r : 5/5/2015 1:07 pm : link
I guess he feels its fair since his guy got knocked out of the playoffs.
Link - ( New Window )
damn, that's some incredible athleticism there  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 1:51 pm : link
to extend his leg and stick his foot out so precisely in a split second while not even looking down.
of course CWebb  
chris r : 5/5/2015 1:55 pm : link
rushes to LeBron's defense, claiming to know for sure it wasn't intentional.
what an idiot CWebb is  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 2:00 pm : link
Of course it's intentional... it's LeBron!
RE: what an idiot CWebb is  
chris r : 5/5/2015 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12272269 santacruzom said:
Quote:
Of course it's intentional... it's LeBron!


The point is, Webber claims to know LeBron's intent. If he were to be impartial, which he is supposed to be as a national announcer, he should not make those claims or at least evaluate the evidence at face. Especially since the movement of LeBron's leg does not like like someone just jumping vertically to contest a shot.

BTW, do you have some more Warrior interviews to glowingly recap for us? Steve Kerr for president!
Bulls winning aside  
UConn4523 : 5/5/2015 2:10 pm : link
LeBron getting bounced before the conference finals would be simply delicious.
RE: RE: what an idiot CWebb is  
santacruzom : 5/5/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12272284 chris r said:
Quote:

The point is, Webber claims to know LeBron's intent. If he were to be impartial, which he is supposed to be as a national announcer, he should not make those claims or at least evaluate the evidence at face. Especially since the movement of LeBron's leg does not like like someone just jumping vertically to contest a shot.



rofl

Yeah, Webber's clearly the biased party here...
Wall out tonight  
dep026 : 5/5/2015 7:31 pm : link
huge break for Hawks.
not  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 12:50 am : link
Looking so good here...
I hope I'm wrong  
MookGiants : 5/6/2015 1:15 am : link
but if you asked me who's going to win this Golden State series I would take Memphis provided Conley stays healthy.
Mike Conley is one of the more underrated players  
chris r : 5/6/2015 2:33 am : link
in the game.

RE: I hope I'm wrong  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 4:12 am : link
In comment 12273075 MookGiants said:
Quote:
but if you asked me who's going to win this Golden State series I would take Memphis provided Conley stays healthy.


I don't think so. GS wasn't going to cruise through the playoffs without a loss... Hell, they might lose four or five games. But probably not four in this series.
Big win for the Grizz  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 6:44 am : link
Still think GS wins this in 6, but it gets interesting now.
the West is so stacked  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/6/2015 9:23 am : link
people seemed to forget about Memphis. But they have all the tools to go all the way this year. I'm rooting for Golden State, but Memphis has the toughness and balance to beat anyone.

My biggest gripe is that Game 3 isn't until Saturday night. Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday. So dumb.
Expecting Lebron and Kyrie  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 9:58 am : link
to come out in full beast modes tonight. The Bulls needed to do what they had to by stealing game 1. It would be sweet to get a 2nd before Smith came back, but they will be hard pressed to do it tonight.
No Chris Paul again  
KWALL2 : 5/6/2015 4:25 pm : link
but not a problem for Clipper fans. Houston doesn't have a PG to take advantage of it and Clips have Blake Griffin to run the show again.

Another triple double on tap tonight.
Not sure lebron can flip he switch  
hitdog42 : 5/6/2015 5:26 pm : link
Like that without them putting him featured in the post
Wow  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:10 pm : link
Cleveland came to play. Bulls looks frazzled already. Settle down and keep it close.
This is going to be an ass kicking  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:11 pm : link
Cleveland by 20 plus tonight.
Rut  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:11 pm : link
roh.
Cleveland is going to get EVERY call  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:16 pm : link
Tonight BTW
Gotta take Rose out  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:17 pm : link
And bring Brooks in. Need someone to make a shot. Rose is missing layups.
Shumpert has 7 3s in 5 quarters  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:18 pm : link
unfucking real. Dude couldnt shoot for shit in NY.
Bulls are disgracefully  
chris r : 5/6/2015 7:18 pm : link
bad sometimes. The most inconsistent team in the league.
Hey Chicago  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:18 pm : link
Might want to keep an eye on Shumpert.
love how LeBron  
chris r : 5/6/2015 7:19 pm : link
somehow managed to steal away a good role player in Shumpert for nothing.

That's a foul on Hinrich?  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:21 pm : link
LOL.
lebron pushes hinrich  
chris r : 5/6/2015 7:21 pm : link
after hinrich makes a clean basketball play and of course there's not foul called.

What a entitled bitch LeBron is.
how come there's never any really hard fouls anymore  
chris r : 5/6/2015 7:22 pm : link
in the 80s and 90s a run like this would result in your guys getting checked to the floor a few times.
8...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:26 pm : link
If Bulls can get it to that at half, I'll keep it tuned in. If not, I'm turning off TV until Rockets Clips.
RE: love how LeBron  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 7:29 pm : link
In comment 12274304 chris r said:
Quote:
somehow managed to steal away a good role player in Shumpert for nothing.


Yeah, well, that's the kind of thing that makes the Knicks the Knicks.
someone needs to step on LeBron's ankle  
chris r : 5/6/2015 7:29 pm : link
if he's going to shoot Js like he did to Butler.
and Waiters isn't  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 7:30 pm : link
exactly noth... actually, you're right about that bit. He is nothing.
This is ugly  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:30 pm : link
and its absolutely infuriating that Mirotic and Snell cant get in the game when they are down 22.

The Bulls can lose by 50, and Butler will play 40 plus minutes, Gasol 38 minutes.
Chicago fans should be pissed  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:33 pm : link
How their team is playing tonight. Did they get the memo that there was a Game 2 tonight? Yeah, they got a split in Cleveland, but right now this series screams Cleveland in 5.
RE: Chicago fans should be pissed  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:35 pm : link
In comment 12274330 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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How their team is playing tonight. Did they get the memo that there was a Game 2 tonight? Yeah, they got a split in Cleveland, but right now this series screams Cleveland in 5.


They did what they had to do already. They won game 1. You had to figure Lebron would come out and dominate. Butler is struggling, Gasol looks tired, Noah looks stoned, and Rose cant hit a shot. Its a perfect storm. Clevleand isnt this good and Chicago isnt this bad.

I mean Shumpert is a 3 point ace. Delladova is making double clutch shots. This wont happen all series.
if the Rockets lose this game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/6/2015 7:41 pm : link
I'll be angry, very angry. A Rockets loss tonight would hands down be the worst I've felt about sports since that stupid Eagles beatdown. And this is the playoffs so I might be even more pissed.

Embarrassing is the only word to use if the Rockets lose this one tonight.

James fucking Harden, all eyes on you tonight bud. We'll see what you're made of. 1pt or 20pts, I don't care... just win.
1pt or 20pts  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/6/2015 7:44 pm : link
in reference to the final margin of victory.

I want Harden to drop a 40burger tonight. Now is the time.
If Derlladova, Jones, and Shump shoot like this....  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:45 pm : link
tip your hat and move to game 3. What a shooting performance from the Cavs.
RE: if the Rockets lose this game  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 7:48 pm : link
In comment 12274343 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Embarrassing is the only word to use if the Rockets lose this one tonight.


That all depends upon the fashion in which they lose, if they lose. What if Griffin keeps Griffining and pulls off something like a 32-16-12 game with 3 blocks?
Bulls continue to leave Shumpert open.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:50 pm : link
LOL.
Rockets win tonight.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:51 pm : link
Harden goes off.
Gasol has been a turd this game  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 7:57 pm : link
And still no Mirotic. It's such a joke. This is why Thibs will be fired the day they are eliminated. Cleveland has been playing a stretch 4 all series, and the Bulls sit one of the best ones in the game.
Cleveland embarrassing Chicago  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 7:58 pm : link
This is going 5, like every LeBron playoff series vs. Chicago.
Rose is playing liek fucking shit  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:02 pm : link
not one strong move to the basket. Just floating everything up there.
Rose gets smacked on the head  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:31 pm : link
no call. Kyrie flops and gets 3 shots.

Stat of the series. Free throw attempts:
Kyrie - 17
Rose - 0

Joke.
Keep it going  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:39 pm : link
make this interesting...
I'm not watching the game  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 8:39 pm : link
But I'm not sure I can imagine too many coaches who'd give Mirotic meaningful minutes over Pau Fucking Gasol early in a series in which that team is already up.
RE: I'm not watching the game  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12274450 santacruzom said:
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But I'm not sure I can imagine too many coaches who'd give Mirotic meaningful minutes over Pau Fucking Gasol early in a series in which that team is already up.


How about Joakim Noah who cant guard anyone or score? Cleveland is playing 1 big.
RE: I'm not watching the game  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:42 pm : link
In comment 12274450 santacruzom said:
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But I'm not sure I can imagine too many coaches who'd give Mirotic meaningful minutes over Pau Fucking Gasol early in a series in which that team is already up.


And Gasol has been fucking garbage this game.

And James Jones now has hit 4 3s now. All of them on noah. Which is why you want a steretch 4 in the game.

If you arent watching the game, dont make pointless posts.
Gasol getting  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:49 pm : link
eaten up on the boards and hasnt defend one pick and roll yet.

He is having a Boozer like game.
And Gasol  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:50 pm : link
with no rotation again.
And Gasol  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 8:52 pm : link
gives up another offensive rebound to Thompson.

But he is Pau "fucking" Gasol.
coaches  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 9:03 pm : link
at least the good ones, aren't prisoners of the moment. I'm not sure what Thibs should be expected to expect out of Mirotic, but it's probably not, "He'd have us in this game!"
RE: coaches  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 9:09 pm : link
In comment 12274521 santacruzom said:
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at least the good ones, aren't prisoners of the moment. I'm not sure what Thibs should be expected to expect out of Mirotic, but it's probably not, "He'd have us in this game!"


Noah has been absolute fuycking garbage (and as I write this he misses another uncontested lay up). Mirotic was fucking awesome this year. Was a double-double machine when he got 30 plus minutes.

ANd he cant see a game when a team is playing 4 shooters. Mirotic isnt some scrub. This is a fucking joke he hasnt played.
Cavs are a superior team.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 9:11 pm : link
Proving it tonight.
well, maybe he'll play  
santacruzom : 5/6/2015 9:11 pm : link
at some point and he'll have some playoff body of work by which he'll be judged. Until then, all you're doing is using the imagined to criticize the actual.
RE: well, maybe he'll play  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12274539 santacruzom said:
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at some point and he'll have some playoff body of work by which he'll be judged. Until then, all you're doing is using the imagined to criticize the actual.


This makes absolutely no sense. I have seen him play all year. I know what he can do. And its not like he has never played in big times game. His EuroLeague team was in the championship 3 years in a row and he was POY twice.

I'll take 35  
KWALL2 : 5/6/2015 9:18 pm : link
From Griffin tonight. He needs to step up the scoring to the 30+ level in game 2.
Despite how they looked  
dep026 : 5/6/2015 9:24 pm : link
not the end of the world. Cavs needed this far more than the Bulls. Gotta play Noah less. Mirotic more. Snell needs some burn as well.

Clevelands shooters were the key. Hopefully they miss next game.
It's sad to  
Metnut : 5/6/2015 10:53 pm : link
see Noah look like this. I refuse to think that he's washed up, so he must be hurt. Thibs plays guys a lot of minutes but if Noah is this messed up, then why not make an adjustment and play him less minutes per game until he looks better and give your other bigs some more minutes?
Holy shit Shaq just busted his fucking ass on live television  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/6/2015 11:03 pm : link
I can't believe I just saw that. That was amazing. It was actually so funny I couldn't laugh.

I'm actually stunned at how he wasn't hurt at all. He's a large human being who fell with a lot of power.
56 free throws  
MookGiants : 5/7/2015 12:25 am : link
in 45 minutes for the Rockets.

This is supposed to be fun to watch?
Rockets offense isn't pretty  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:36 am : link
Harden's game + Hack-a-Rocket leads to a lot of FTs. Moreyball isn't aesthetically pleasing but it's effective.

The Clips look like the better team and I expect them to win this series in 6. But I'm so happy this Rockets team showed some balls and won a must-win game at home. Not the best James Harden game, but he came alive when the team needed him the most with 16 of his 32 in the 4th quarter. Harden has been clutch as hell in the regular season this year and he showed up again in the 4th with the season on the line. Happy that he got it done when his team needed him.

1-1 into LA, we'll see what happens to CP3. Best of 5 series now, just have to steal one over there and regain homecourt.

Every series is 1-1 now, so it's getting interesting.
Matt Barnes apparently talked shit  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:44 am : link
to James Harden's mom. Typical from that classless piece of shit.

I'm feeling a bit more confident now. Harden better make that bitch Barnes pay.
I know Kevin McHale  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:54 am : link
would deck Matt Barnes' bitchass in Game 3 if he were playing. I hope he tells Terrence Jones to do the same to Barnes, just pummel him the first time he drives to the hoop. You don't talk shit about another player's mom. Barnes is a fake soft as baby doodoo type of loser, I'd love to see him get his ass kicked. Hopefully I can settle for a James Harden roast session in Game 3.

Just disgusting behavior from Barnes if true.
We got a series now  
KWALL2 : 5/7/2015 2:55 am : link
but I don't know how HOU can have any confidence. Clippers have their number. Haven't they beat them in 12 out of last 15?

Griffin should have been more aggressive in the 2nd half. If he was, LA wins.

Get Paul back in game 3 and this series is over in 5 or 6.
Barnes talks too much  
KWALL2 : 5/7/2015 2:57 am : link
but calling him a fake softy is not accurate. He plays hard and he will take a punch in the face to win. Not soft at all.
And he's not a loser  
KWALL2 : 5/7/2015 2:59 am : link
Just the opposite. Plays hard and makes a difference. Excellent role player.
eh  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 3:02 am : link
he's another guy who tries too hard like KG. I respect his role as a hustle player but he's about as unlikeable as it gets. Just a trashbag, especially if he really said that stuff.
didn't see the last two minutes  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/7/2015 8:02 am : link
because extending my DVR by 30 minutes wasn't enough. Ah well.

I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm just rooting for a good series. But it was damn frustrating to watch once Harden came back in the game in the third.

In typical fashion, Harden got to the line anytime he drew any amount of contact. Harden has developed this skill to a masterful level. And if the refs are going to call it as such, then fine. It's annoying to watch a FT fest, but if the refs are going to call it tight, then defenses have to adjust.

However, in the middle of Harden's immediate return, Turkoglu pokes the ball away and Harden's first reaction is to grab and yank Turkoglu's arm to delay him from getting to the ball.

If anyone should be called for that type of foul, it's Harden.
The clips-rickets series  
dep026 : 5/7/2015 8:35 am : link
in reality should be a good one, but it is going to be hard on the eyes.

I am glad I went to bed last night at half. The amount of free throws shot is just flat out ridiculous.
yeah  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/7/2015 9:00 am : link
between Hack-A-DeAndre, Hack-A-Dwight, Harden's antics, Doc's antics, Barnes's antics, and an injured Chris Paul (but not Paul antics), it is hard to watch, despite these being two of the 5/6/7 best teams in the league
Harden just moves  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:22 pm : link
different from everyone else. He's the best I've ever seen at drawing fouls when attacking the rim. Sure he gets a lot of 50/50 calls (he also gets a lot of 50/50 calls going against him, that's what the people who don't watch him miss), but he deserves the heavy majority of calls he gets. He's just so damn strong and durable.

16 pt 4th quarter including a couple of huge 3s and a clutch drive late in the game. Bigtime game from Harden in a bigtime moment.

And yes, styles make matchups and the Rockets vs. Clippers is not a good matchup if you want to see beautiful basketball. But f that, I'm still enjoying the hell out of it even though the Hack-A-Whoever is terrible.

I'm praying Memphis found something in Game 2 with the return of Conley. I'm still expecting a Golden State beatdown in Game 3, but maybe just maybe the Grizz have found a way to assert their physical toughness over the Warriors.
btw Paul  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:24 pm : link
CP3's antics are as bad as it gets. Dude is from the Stockton school of Dirty Tricksterism except he's 1000x the whiner that Stockton was. Incredibly hypocritical combination of annoying character traits.
RE: btw Paul  
dep026 : 5/7/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12276002 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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CP3's antics are as bad as it gets. Dude is from the Stockton school of Dirty Tricksterism except he's 1000x the whiner that Stockton was. Incredibly hypocritical combination of annoying character traits.


And a baby too boot. The only that pisses me off about Harden now is after he feeds himself after he hits a 3 (come on, you have to admit, he looks like a jackass). But CP3's game right now is downright pathetic to watch because of his antics. He has a lot of nerve to question any call that goes agaisnt him.
Harden's celebration  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:48 pm : link
is awful. No arguments there. And Harden's ref-baiting and laziness at times are definitely annoying. But it's not like Harden is playing with different rules, he just found the glitches in the matrix and is taking advantage of them in a way that no one else in the league has been able to.

Plus, the guy has the best stepback Jumper in the league now. That's made 2015 James Harden infinitely more watchable than 2013-14 Harden. When people say "Harden isn't fun to watch", I shake my head these days. Sure those 4 borderline FTAs a game he gets might annoy some, but he's such a brilliant offensive player to watch go to work. And again, that stepback is one of the sweetest shots in basketball now. Such a perfect counter move for him because the threat of the drive is always in the defenders head.
RE: Harden just moves  
santacruzom : 5/7/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12275996 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I'm praying Memphis found something in Game 2 with the return of Conley. I'm still expecting a Golden State beatdown in Game 3, but maybe just maybe the Grizz have found a way to assert their physical toughness over the Warriors.


I'm not going to say that such a thing is impossible. However...

...the Warriors had more turnovers than assists in game 2! I bet that happened no more than once or twice this season, I bet they lost all games in which that happened, and I bet that won't happen again.
santa, that's true  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 2:58 pm : link
but the Grizzlies D deserves some of that credit.

Conley/Allen is probably the best defensive backcourt in basketball and probably the backcourt duo with the best chance at slowing down Curry/Klay. Plus they have a stud interior defender in Marc Gasol.

I think Curry will find a way to get his no matter what. So Klay Thompson really needs to be the guy to step up. Tony Allen is as good as it gets but Klay's going to get good looks and he'll need to nail them.
I'm still somewhat rooted in this  
santacruzom : 5/7/2015 3:15 pm : link
"The Warriors can't win a Championship" mindset. Most of it is irrationally tied to their past, but some of it is because I wonder if they actually have enough offense.

Yeah, it's antithetical to their reputation. But I think they need a more consistent third scoring threat for those games in which Curry and/or Thompson are either minimized by the other team, or simply having an off night. When you wade through the playoffs you'll likely face a team that's adept at removing the first (and then, maybe to a lesser degree, the second) thing you like to do.

The Warriors get a lot of their offense from their defense making stops or forcing turnovers -- when they're in transition, the unbelievable switching they do on D actually results in chaos when the other team's defenders try to find and cover their matchup. But I don't know if that's going to be enough throughout the whole duration of the playoffs.

Sounds like Wall  
Tim in Capital City : 5/7/2015 3:19 pm : link
(and the Wizards) are done. Big, big bummer.

I'm not doctor, but: "Wizards guard John Wall underwent multiple examinations yesterday that revealed five non-displaced fractures in his left wrist and hand.

Wall and the team are currently in consultation with multiple physicians and specialists to determine the best course of action and his playing status has yet to be determined. Further updates will be provided as information becomes available."
RE: btw Paul  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/7/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12276002 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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CP3's antics are as bad as it gets. Dude is from the Stockton school of Dirty Tricksterism except he's 1000x the whiner that Stockton was. Incredibly hypocritical combination of annoying character traits.


I agree. I meant that the series was hard to watch for a variety of factors, and the lack of Chris Paul was one of them-- but that the silver lining of no Chris Paul is that there are no Chris Paul antics. I think it was lost in the way I phrased it.
that's awful about John Wall  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/7/2015 4:05 pm : link
he's really grown up as a player and leader the last couple of years. He's a great floor general and still very young. I've always said that he's a consistent J away from MVP contention.

Really sucks because that Wiz-Hawks series should be a cakewalk for Atlanta now.
Gasol get smacked on the head  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 8:13 pm : link
no call. James loses his balance, foul called.

Its becoming a joke.
Bulls need this game.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 8:21 pm : link
...
RE: Bulls need this game.  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 8:27 pm : link
In comment 12278418 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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...


If they are going to call the game like this, Chicago has no chance. They are attacking every possession and cant get 1 call.
Bulls got no shot tonight.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 8:27 pm : link
LeBron came to dominate.
Thibs contiues  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 8:33 pm : link
to play 2 bigs, as Cleveland throws out 4 shooters, and they make 3 after 3. Please send Thibs out the door already. The man who wont make an adjustment.
This series screams Cleveland in 5.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 8:35 pm : link
..
RE: Bulls got no shot tonight.  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:37 pm : link
In comment 12278428 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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LeBron came to dominate.


OK. So then all the times he's he didn't come to dominate? Sounds like he should maybe try to dominate more?
That was one of the worst officiated quarters I've  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:38 pm : link
Ever seen. Mosgov should have like 5 fouls by now.
I'm still amazed all these gms  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:41 pm : link
Gifted LeBron talent. He's a blight on the sport and they've gifted him a chance to win again.
Has lebron  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:43 pm : link
Ever not thought he was fouled? He's a 260lb raised up pussy.
Rose jsut questioned  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 8:47 pm : link
his first call of the series and the ref yells at him. Lebron usually gets a hug.
Thibs is such a moron  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:49 pm : link
Mitotic was a difference maker for the Bulls the last half of the season but he benched him because of a few bad games.
Thiis is worse  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 8:49 pm : link
than Kings-Lakers 2002.

This is an abomination of three referees.
More just absurd officiating  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:50 pm : link
It's honestly borderline wwf with basketball
But is it worse  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 8:51 pm : link
than the Bulls playoff series for about a decade straight?

Bulls fans benefitted from a star getting every call for 15 years on their way to 6 titles. Boo fucking hoo.
This officiating is LOL  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 8:51 pm : link
And I'm impartial.
Rose is garbage  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:54 pm : link
.

RE: But is it worse  
chris r : 5/8/2015 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12278476 MookGiants said:
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than the Bulls playoff series for about a decade straight?

Bulls fans benefitted from a star getting every call for 15 years on their way to 6 titles. Boo fucking hoo.


Wow. That's some preschool logic right there. Two wrongs make a right!
And its like  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:00 pm : link
Patrick Ewing never got a call either. And the last time I checked the Bulls win 6 titles. I didnt see Jordan get many calls against the bad boys or the celtics the years they lost.

Anyways, Mirotic plays, the Bulls do well. Its not a secret.
RE: But is it worse  
chris r : 5/8/2015 9:01 pm : link
In comment 12278476 MookGiants said:
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than the Bulls playoff series for about a decade straight?

Bulls fans benefitted from a star getting every call for 15 years on their way to 6 titles. Boo fucking hoo.


But maybe you forgot hue Hollins and Hebert Davis? That basically gifted your team a finals appearance.
RE: And its like  
chris r : 5/8/2015 9:03 pm : link
In comment 12278486 dep026 said:
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Patrick Ewing never got a call either. And the last time I checked the Bulls win 6 titles. I didnt see Jordan get many calls against the bad boys or the celtics the years they lost.

Anyways, Mirotic plays, the Bulls do well. Its not a secret.


Ewing cross paint fade away involved three steps every single time. Without officiating the knicks wouldn't have been able to finish second to the Bulls.
nope  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:03 pm : link
didn't forget.

The point is stars get calls. That's how the NBA has always been and how it always will be. You guys act like LeBron is the only one to get them, when Jordan got them for 15 years!
SERIES  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:03 pm : link
RIGGED.

Just put the fuckign Cavs in the finals. Just total fucking bullshit.
Without officiating  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:04 pm : link
the Bulls don't win 6 titles.

Is that how that works?
RE: nope  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:05 pm : link
In comment 12278495 MookGiants said:
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didn't forget.

The point is stars get calls. That's how the NBA has always been and how it always will be. You guys act like LeBron is the only one to get them, when Jordan got them for 15 years!


Derrick Rose does not get calls.
This game  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:06 pm : link
is by far the worst officiated game I have ever seen. The block on rose so Lebron doesnt get his 3rd just confirmed it.

Derrick Rose  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:07 pm : link
is no longer a star. When he was winning the MVP he was certainly getting calls.

RE: Derrick Rose  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:09 pm : link
In comment 12278502 MookGiants said:
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is no longer a star. When he was winning the MVP he was certainly getting calls.


Not one free throw in 3 games and counting. He doesnt get calls. He leads the series in most drives to the basket. Not one free throw.

And yes he is still a star.
RE: Without officiating  
chris r : 5/8/2015 9:09 pm : link
In comment 12278497 MookGiants said:
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the Bulls don't win 6 titles.

Is that how that works?


OK so assuming your unsubstantiated assertion is true, maybe they only win 4 or 5? That still gives them four our five more than you guys. And without officiating you don't get spanked by the rockets either, so that's something to be thankful for.
Kinda tired of the "jordan got calls 25 years ago"  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 9:13 pm : link
argument. I was 5 then and didn't know what a foul was. The NBA isn't the same game now either. Repeating it over and over again on every thread is tiresome.
incompetent  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:15 pm : link
officiating has been part of the game forever.

Jordan's final shot as a Bull was a blatant pushoff not called to win the nba finals. But yeah, he didn't get calls.

there is not one title  
hitdog42 : 5/8/2015 9:16 pm : link
the bulls won because of officiating.
the lebron/rose block should have been a no call.
and the knicks fan base consistently sounds like the jets.
Bulls fans  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:16 pm : link
want to keep repeating how LeBron gets every call every game they will be reminded of Jordan getting every call every game.
RE: there is not one title  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12278510 hitdog42 said:
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the bulls won because of officiating.
the lebron/rose block should have been a no call.
and the knicks fan base consistently sounds like the jets.


Since we're just making up shit like the Knicks would have never finished 2nd to the Bulls without officiating I figured I'd throw some wacky shit out there that no one can disprove or prove
RE: Bulls fans  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12278511 MookGiants said:
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want to keep repeating how LeBron gets every call every game they will be reminded of Jordan getting every call every game.


We will point it out when its so egregious than it affects the game. The charge would have been his 3rd in the half, instead it gave them a two point lead.

If rose got 1/5th the calls the cavs (and that includes Irving) have gotten this series, the bulls would be leading 2-1 after this game.
RE: RE: Bulls fans  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12278515 dep026 said:
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In comment 12278511 MookGiants said:


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want to keep repeating how LeBron gets every call every game they will be reminded of Jordan getting every call every game.



We will point it out when its so egregious than it affects the game. The charge would have been his 3rd in the half, instead it gave them a two point lead.

If rose got 1/5th the calls the cavs (and that includes Irving) have gotten this series, the bulls would be leading 2-1 after this game.


You guys have been bitching about LeBron getting a call every 5 minutes for the first 3 games.

I'm sure you guys felt that Jordan getting every call the entire decade in the 90's was cool though.

Stars get calls. Deal with it.
its not been a terribly called game  
hitdog42 : 5/8/2015 9:21 pm : link
its a decent basketball game
the bulls should win this game regardless
4/25 from rose, butler, noah combined and down 2.... not a bad result
RE: RE: RE: Bulls fans  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12278519 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12278515 dep026 said:


Quote:


In comment 12278511 MookGiants said:


Quote:


want to keep repeating how LeBron gets every call every game they will be reminded of Jordan getting every call every game.



We will point it out when its so egregious than it affects the game. The charge would have been his 3rd in the half, instead it gave them a two point lead.

If rose got 1/5th the calls the cavs (and that includes Irving) have gotten this series, the bulls would be leading 2-1 after this game.



You guys have been bitching about LeBron getting a call every 5 minutes for the first 3 games.

I'm sure you guys felt that Jordan getting every call the entire decade in the 90's was cool though.

Stars get calls. Deal with it.


Mook, I doubt you watched much of this series with the Rangers playing at the same time. But its just more than Lebron. Mozgov, Irving, Thompson are all getting calls.
Rose to the line?!?!?!  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:27 pm : link
blasphemy. They should review it.
LOL  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:31 pm : link
they gave Noah tech. Just pure an utter BS. James should have gotten a 2nd one then, because he came back at him.

I have 3 tv's  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 9:32 pm : link
in the basement. I'm watching both.
very BS tech  
hitdog42 : 5/8/2015 9:33 pm : link
on noah there. quite pathetic from the stripes
This game is LOL worthy.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 9:34 pm : link
Bulls need to beat Cavs and officials.
Gasolqhas to be better  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:36 pm : link
....
RE: This game  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12278501 dep026 said:
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is by far the worst officiated game I have ever seen.


Isn't that true of half the games you watch though?
Cavs in 5  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 9:46 pm : link
.
RE: RE: This game  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12278592 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12278501 dep026 said:


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is by far the worst officiated game I have ever seen.




Isn't that true of half the games you watch though?


Niko Mirotic says hello.
I don't bitch about calls anymore  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 9:48 pm : link
but the LeBron/red knob slobbing is awful. Some calls he earns but others are absolutely laughable. I expect it, but it's just so old now.
Get it Jimmy  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 9:51 pm : link
!
Delladova  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 9:54 pm : link
with an arm lock.

So the refs will decide a foul on Butler. And maybe 2 techs on the bulls?

Ok, only 1 tech. Good job refs. Fuck up the initial call, and help the Cavs more.
lol  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:05 pm : link
sure it was Tony Brothers. Lebron leads the forearm. Butler gets all ball. Better put Lebron at the line.
ATTACK  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:21 pm : link
Rose. No jumpers.
Sweet goaltend  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:23 pm : link
.
Thats goaltending!!!!!  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:23 pm : link
and they miss it again. This is inexcusable. That three refs miss it AGAIN!
Just inexcusable  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:25 pm : link
that three guys miss a call like that. Its not even close.
Lebron gets all wrist  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:30 pm : link
no call. Heard it from here.
Another goaltend  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:30 pm : link
?
speaking of traveling  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:30 pm : link
Gibson moved his pivot foot about 5 times when he grabbed that rebound
which is shocking  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:31 pm : link
because Patrick Ewing is the only guy who gets away with traveling in the NBA
Gibson was fouled  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:31 pm : link
He had two guys hacking at the rebound. Definitely moved his foot but there was a reason for it.
RE: speaking of traveling  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12278688 MookGiants said:
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Gibson moved his pivot foot about 5 times when he grabbed that rebound


No foul though, right? 3 guys slapping at him all magically got air/ball.

And yes it was goaltend.
And Lebron smacks him in the head  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:32 pm : link
shooting a 3. But no call.
You could've called three different fouls  
illmatic : 5/8/2015 10:32 pm : link
on that last possession. They call nothing. This is why I hate watching Lebron led teams in the playoffs.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:33 pm : link
traveled there too
And there it is  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:33 pm : link
Most rigged game ever played.
LOL.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 10:35 pm : link
I got nothing. This is a ridiculous called game.
that's  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:36 pm : link
another walk. But Patrick Ewing only gets away with it
Funny though  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:37 pm : link
that in the most rigged game ever the Bulls somehow got away with a blatant walk for the winning basket
RE: that's  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:37 pm : link
In comment 12278703 MookGiants said:
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another walk. But Patrick Ewing only gets away with it


Butler is a star.
And Thibs doesnt foul.  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:38 pm : link
idiot.
How does the NBA survive?  
chris r : 5/8/2015 10:38 pm : link
It's crooked as fuck.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:38 pm : link
Lebron hacks rose, haha. Kinda funny how awful that was.
This is ridiculous  
illmatic : 5/8/2015 10:38 pm : link
.
you don't foul  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:39 pm : link
in the NBA unless there's only a couple seconds on the clock. Especially when other team has timeout. The advancement of the ball kills that strategy
And playing Hinrich  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:39 pm : link
who does nothing over Tony Snell is a good enough reason to lose.
RE: How does the NBA survive?  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12278707 chris r said:
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It's crooked as fuck.


It's been crooked as fuck. And it's been just fine for decades despite that.
ROSE  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:40 pm : link
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!
lucky shot  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:40 pm : link
Cavs now have to win game 4.

I wish the Bulls would be wiped off the map.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:40 pm : link
Fuck off Lebron. Drose!!!!
Every pick the cavs set is a moving pick  
chris r : 5/8/2015 10:41 pm : link
That LeBron play on rose was a clear foul. This is an absurdly corrupt game.
RE: lucky shot  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12278714 MookGiants said:
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Cavs now have to win game 4.

I wish the Bulls would be wiped off the map.


Boo hoo
Rose  
illmatic : 5/8/2015 10:41 pm : link
is awesome. All of those injuries and he's still big time.
Awesome game  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/8/2015 10:41 pm : link
...
RE: Every pick the cavs set is a moving pick  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:42 pm : link
In comment 12278716 chris r said:
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That LeBron play on rose was a clear foul. This is an absurdly corrupt game.


Again, if you went back 20 years and there was BBI, you would have everyone saying how the games are crooked as fuck in favor of the Bulls. If you didn't have a problem with it then, then shut the fuck up about it now. This isn't some new LeBron thing, it's always been that way
Holy shit  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/8/2015 10:42 pm : link
Now thibs is off the hook for not fouling.
There is no excuse  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:46 pm : link
for missing goaltending calls though. Those are easy and obvious. Its been more than once this series too.
I still dont get  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:46 pm : link
why people would foul in the NBA if the other team has a timeout.

If you foul and you miss one free throw, you bring losing very much into play.

RE: There is no excuse  
MookGiants : 5/8/2015 10:48 pm : link
In comment 12278727 dep026 said:
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for missing goaltending calls though. Those are easy and obvious. Its been more than once this series too.


You've been watching the NBA long enough to know they constantly blow easy calls. There's no excuse for missing Jimmy Butler blatantly walk on his layup, either. But they miss them, and for as long as the NBA has been around they've missed them. But now people bitch more because of the technology and instant replay
damn  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 10:50 pm : link
that was quite a freaking game! I'm glad I DVR'd that shit.
didn't pay attention to most of the game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/8/2015 10:51 pm : link
but saw the end, so happy for D-Rose. Been a long journey and he still has a ways to go but it's good to see this from him.

Chicago winning this game was the best thing for this series. Now we get to see a great game 4.

Let's go HTown. Big game 3.
RE: RE: There is no excuse  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12278729 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12278727 dep026 said:


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for missing goaltending calls though. Those are easy and obvious. Its been more than once this series too.



You've been watching the NBA long enough to know they constantly blow easy calls. There's no excuse for missing Jimmy Butler blatantly walk on his layup, either. But they miss them, and for as long as the NBA has been around they've missed them. But now people bitch more because of the technology and instant replay


Everyone walks. You saw it. James and Butler exchanged walks at the end of the game, so no advantage.

In game 1, the refs literally made up a rule in the middle of the game when they flat out missed the call. You cant defend that.
RE: RE: RE: This game  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12278605 dep026 said:
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Niko Mirotic says hello.


Yeah I saw that guy, but all I caught was the 2nd half and saw him watch lobs to Thompson go over his head for alley oops or give up three-pointers to James Jones. Not unforgiveable shit by any means, but certainly something that you'd chew him out for if he were Gasol.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This game  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12278734 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12278605 dep026 said:


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Niko Mirotic says hello.



Yeah I saw that guy, but all I caught was the 2nd half and saw him watch lobs to Thompson go over his head for alley oops or give up three-pointers to James Jones. Not unforgiveable shit by any means, but certainly something that you'd chew him out for if he were Gasol.


So you missed the 13 points, 8 boards, and 2 steals in 21:00 and a +19 while he was in the game? You missed more than just a little bit.
Cavs in 5  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2015 11:03 pm : link
!
So Prigioni's doing well  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/8/2015 11:17 pm : link
JR Smith outside of the suspension is doing well, as is Shumpert.

Knicks not so much.
RE: So Prigioni's doing well  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 11:21 pm : link
In comment 12278750 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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JR Smith outside of the suspension is doing well, as is Shumpert.

Knicks not so much.


Mozgov too! Ariza isnt bad as well.
gasol strain hammy  
dep026 : 5/8/2015 11:47 pm : link
probably misses game 4. And while he hasnt rose in this series, they still need him. Mirotic should get more time.
Kyrie  
DG : 5/9/2015 12:14 am : link
didn't play well, he's hurting (ankle, foot.)

Afraid the Cavs are toast.

Simply a matter of the Bulls having more good players, which offset LeBron's greatness.

Unfortunately, bc 6 is enough titles for one town. Since 1989, the Bulls have been to the Cavs what they were to the Knicks. I seriously hope no Knicks fans are rooting for the Bulls in this series.
I am happy  
DG : 5/9/2015 12:16 am : link
for Rose though.
Austin Rivers just turned into Steph Curry that quarter  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/9/2015 12:41 am : link
game over. Clippers are just the better team in this series. Hopefully the Rockets show some fight and can find a way to get this done.
Rivers is destroying them  
kelsto811 : 5/9/2015 12:41 am : link
Wow
Bulls baby!  
Vin R : 5/9/2015 11:54 am : link
.
What we have here  
KWALL2 : 5/9/2015 3:27 pm : link
Is a bunch of people who simply don't understand how difficult it is to ref a basketball game.

The game is rigged for Lebron yet they let the Bulls player walk right under the basket for the go ahead pts with 30 seconds left. Really?

The refs are seeing it in real time without the benefit of 12 camera angles, slomo, and replays. But you expect them to see everything you do on your TV screen. It's ridiculous.

Stop the whining, bitching and looking like a fool. It's not fixed against your team.


RE: What we have here  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12279200 KWALL2 said:
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Is a bunch of people who simply don't understand how difficult it is to ref a basketball game.

The game is rigged for Lebron yet they let the Bulls player walk right under the basket for the go ahead pts with 30 seconds left. Really?

The refs are seeing it in real time without the benefit of 12 camera angles, slomo, and replays. But you expect them to see everything you do on your TV screen. It's ridiculous.

Stop the whining, bitching and looking like a fool. It's not fixed against your team.



Hysterical coming from a clippers fan who cried and bitch over game 5 against the spurs and comin from rivers and Paul who publicly cry when they lose a game.


But live it up. Clippers rarely do anything well. So you can act like a dick as much as you want. You will be non existent soon enough.
and what's funny is I doubt KWALL2  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 4:46 pm : link
Watched one clippers regular season game. In fact I doubt he's watched many of their playoff games either.

Have you ever  
KWALL2 : 5/9/2015 7:50 pm : link
Watched a game and not bitched about the calls going against you?

You're pathetic. Just the worst type of BB fan. Clueless and loud is no way to go through life. Clean up your act.
RE: Have you ever  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 7:59 pm : link
In comment 12279400 KWALL2 said:
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Watched a game and not bitched about the calls going against you?

You're pathetic. Just the worst type of BB fan. Clueless and loud is no way to go through life. Clean up your act.


Yes plenty of times. I actually watch more basketball in a week than you do in a year.

I am the worst type of BB fan? LOL, you come out of the wood work for the first time in 20 years cause your team is good. You are the fucking scum of basketball fans.

Here's an idea. Watch for a few years. Get to understand the rules. Find a real team. I know you have been a "die hard" for 20 years, just find it funny you have become so vocal all of a sudden.

My pinkie knows more basketball than you will ever know. Heres an update, the Clippers play tomorrow in case you didnt know.
I just hate shitstains  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 8:02 pm : link
like this idiot who all of a sudden because the team he hit the dartboard is doing well and now is going to shit on people who have been posting for 7 years now on these threads.

Get a clue. You dont know a fucking thing about this game.

And its funny on speaking of the refs....  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 8:15 pm : link
The NBA admitted that the refs blew 4 calls at the end of the game.

Lebron fouling Butler in the head shooting the 3.
Lebron walking before getting fouled by Butler down 1.
Butler walking before the go ahead lay up.
Lebron fouling with Rose with 3 seconds left.

Give credit to Mook for calling out both walks. But missing 4 calls at the end of the game is either really bad officiating or.....

Whatever the case may be, its inexcusable for refs to miss that many calls at the end of the game, despite some posters telling us how tough their job is.
I used to  
KWALL2 : 5/9/2015 8:26 pm : link
Be a regular in the BB discussions on BBI before clowns like you showed up here. This nba thead is right there with the Giant game day threads. I'm sure you're a regular on game day too.
RE: I used to  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12279441 KWALL2 said:
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Be a regular in the BB discussions on BBI before clowns like you showed up here. This nba thead is right there with the Giant game day threads. I'm sure you're a regular on game day too.


Sure you were. When was that? 20 years ago. Just a coincident you are more prominent that the Clippers just happened to be good this year, and you post more.... right?

And I post regularly in game threads there, but rarely ever complain about officials.

So you can do us all a favor and not post here anymore. It would be much appreciated.
Someone should tell GS  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 9:09 pm : link
that this isnt the regular season.
I'm not surprised  
MookGiants : 5/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
this Memphis team if they are healthy is not a good matchup for GS.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Memphis win this in 6. I'm not sure GS is going to be able to get a game in Memphis. Although I dont think Memphis would win in 7 so they'd have to win it in 6
I really like Memphis  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/9/2015 9:34 pm : link
But them winning this series against GSW is probably a worst case scenario for my personal well-being. GSW would put the smack down on the Clippers in an embarrassing fashion. Memphis won't stand a chance with the Clippers.

Clippers winning the championship would be a natural disaster.
two of the Warriors' past problems  
santacruzom : 5/9/2015 9:51 pm : link
Have resurfaced... Turnovers, and getting called for fouls with amazing frequency.
RE: I'm not surprised  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 9:53 pm : link
In comment 12279500 MookGiants said:
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this Memphis team if they are healthy is not a good matchup for GS.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Memphis win this in 6. I'm not sure GS is going to be able to get a game in Memphis. Although I dont think Memphis would win in 7 so they'd have to win it in 6


Memphis is one of the few teams who has two guys who can guard both Curry/Thompson. Allen/Conley are all-NBA defenders.

They are exposing Green in the post. Whoever he is guarding is having a field day in the post. Gasol just looks like a beast right now.
I know you post in game day threads  
KWALL2 : 5/9/2015 9:54 pm : link
You're one of the bigger bitches on there and responsible for driving plenty of people away from those threads.
RE: I know you post in game day threads  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 9:56 pm : link
In comment 12279561 KWALL2 said:
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You're one of the bigger bitches on there and responsible for driving plenty of people away from those threads.


So before you didnt know if I was. Now you know that I was. You're a fucking idiot. Do you make shit up as you go, or are you just stupid?

If I drive you away from threads, then Eric should pay me a stipend.
damn this game  
santacruzom : 5/9/2015 10:35 pm : link
Is ugly
RE: damn this game  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 10:37 pm : link
In comment 12279586 santacruzom said:
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Is ugly


They made it interesting. Not over yet.
I can't remember  
santacruzom : 5/9/2015 10:38 pm : link
The last time the Warriors have benefited so much from lopsided officiating.
man  
santacruzom : 5/9/2015 10:43 pm : link
Gasol and Randolph have hit some miracle, killer heaves.
Bank is open  
dep026 : 5/9/2015 10:44 pm : link
during these playoffs.
No Gasol for the Bulls  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 3:25 pm : link
Taj/Niko need to play even better than last game. Despite struggling this series, Pau is still their best scorer/rebounder. Noah has to have a big game on the boards.

Expecting another huge game from Lebron.
Ugh  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 3:39 pm : link
Cant miss uncontested layups in the playoffs.
Best Noah has looked all year  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 4:07 pm : link
He looks more comfortable out there as the true center.
I'm happy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 4:11 pm : link
that I jinxed the Warriors by calling them the best sports team I've seen since the '07 Pats.

Memphis is really beating them up. Mike Conley has been one of the most underrated players in the league for a while now, good to see him prove his worth in these playoffs.

I'm really happy that Golden State has their back against the wall now. They've been rolling all year and aren't used to getting punched in the face. Steve Kerr's inexperience might be showing right here, Game 4 is going to be a huge moment in Kerr's young coaching career. I'm really interested in seeing what Golden State is made out of.

Cavs are getting close to the dangerzone. LeBron needs to go beastmode and carry them to the W here.
These refs are about 0-6  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 4:16 pm : link
in goaltending calls.
Jesus Christ  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 4:24 pm : link
someone make a shot.
Man Rose  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 4:57 pm : link
is playing really well.
Damn  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:10 pm : link
ankle turns are f'n nasty. Never wish an injury to anyone. Hope Lebron is ok.
this is some  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:18 pm : link
remarkably bad basketball for such a huge game
RE: this is some  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:21 pm : link
In comment 12279980 MookGiants said:
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remarkably bad basketball for such a huge game


Both teams look tired. Guys are missing wide open shots that they are accustomed to making. Ill never understand why the Bulls are play every other day, yet the Memphis-GS and Was/Atl series just had 3 days off.
Rose outplaying LeBron  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 5:27 pm : link
in this one.
Cant run the offesne  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:28 pm : link
through Noah. Gotta be Rose.
Piss this lead away  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:31 pm : link
because their offense is fucking running through Noah. Get him out of the game and pout Gibson in.
Noah's gotta be smarter  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 5:31 pm : link
than that.
Holy fuck  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:36 pm : link
They dont a fopul on Rose's drive. 3 guys hit him. ANd now they are losing.
Mozgov  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:37 pm : link
hit him after he got the ball, they're not going to call that
That just pisses me the fuck off  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:38 pm : link
2-1 free throw disparity, and you let the Cavs bang whoever they want. Thats a 5 point swing.
RE: Mozgov  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:39 pm : link
In comment 12279998 MookGiants said:
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hit him after he got the ball, they're not going to call that


And Shumpert pushed him in the hip as he was driving. A foul is a foul.

And if you dont think they are going to call that. Ask Tim Duncan if they call it in a game 7 of a tie gmae with less than 30 seconds to go.
RE: RE: Mozgov  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12280001 dep026 said:
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In comment 12279998 MookGiants said:


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hit him after he got the ball, they're not going to call that



And Shumpert pushed him in the hip as he was driving. A foul is a foul.

And if you dont think they are going to call that. Ask Tim Duncan if they call it in a game 7 of a tie gmae with less than 30 seconds to go.


If they call that Shumpert foul all game then we're going to be here all day watching a free throw contest. I'd prefer they let those go, just like they did on the play LeBron committed the charge where Butler slapped his wrist before the charge occurred. If they called it by letter of law it's a foul on Butler and a bailout for LeBron, i'm glad they didn't call it on Butler
Well its gonna be a best of 3.  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:44 pm : link
Hopefully it wont be 3-1 free throw disparity next game.
Bulls  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:44 pm : link
are settling too much since about the 1 minute mark of 3rd quarter.
RE: RE: RE: Mozgov  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:46 pm : link
In comment 12280003 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12280001 dep026 said:


Quote:


In comment 12279998 MookGiants said:


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hit him after he got the ball, they're not going to call that



And Shumpert pushed him in the hip as he was driving. A foul is a foul.

And if you dont think they are going to call that. Ask Tim Duncan if they call it in a game 7 of a tie gmae with less than 30 seconds to go.



If they call that Shumpert foul all game then we're going to be here all day watching a free throw contest. I'd prefer they let those go, just like they did on the play LeBron committed the charge where Butler slapped his wrist before the charge occurred. If they called it by letter of law it's a foul on Butler and a bailout for LeBron, i'm glad they didn't call it on Butler


Mook, you have already admitted your openly rooting for the Bulls to lose. If three people hit a guy on the drive, you have to call a foul. The free throw are 24-9 this game and the Bulls are consistently driving to the basket.

They missed the call. Simple. It wont affect the outcome of the game, but you cant call chippy ones on the Bulls and let that one go.
Mozgov and JR killing it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 5:46 pm : link
right now.
just thought I'd check in  
santacruzom : 5/10/2015 5:46 pm : link
to read about the foul complaints. I knew they'd be there!
RE: just thought I'd check in  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12280010 santacruzom said:
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to read about the foul complaints. I knew they'd be there!


Worry about your own team. We complained about ONE call.
I would root for ISIS  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:48 pm : link
before I'd root for the Bulls.

Fouls are not why the Bulls are losing this game. They can't throw it in the ocean in this quarter.
Okay that call is purely based off of smiths reputation  
kelsto811 : 5/10/2015 5:48 pm : link
Miritech hit him in the head and he gave him a tiny push...I have no horse in this race but I'm just saying...if anything that's a double t
and they aren't dead yet  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:48 pm : link
.
RE: I would root for ISIS  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12280012 MookGiants said:
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before I'd root for the Bulls.

Fouls are not why the Bulls are losing this game. They can't throw it in the ocean in this quarter.


I didnt say they were. But thats a call I thought they had to make.
Noah  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:50 pm : link
has been the worst player I have ever seen. Get him the fuck out of the game.
Flop  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 5:54 pm : link
.
Gotta be Rose/Butler  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:54 pm : link
here. Good time for Dunleavy to bury a 3.
Dep  
kelsto811 : 5/10/2015 5:54 pm : link
Noah on cue following that comment. He isn't my favorite player and he does some really stupid shit but he has 15(?) boards in the game...he is helping keep the Bulls in the game at this point
Terrible possession  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:55 pm : link
ugh.
great job by Noah to draw the offensive foul there  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 5:55 pm : link
should be a good ending. Does D-Rose have another bullet left in that chamber?
Just a terrible possession  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:56 pm : link
by Rose. God damn.
Man  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 5:58 pm : link
how do you not have any timeouts left when you were winning with 6:00 to go.
Wow  
kelsto811 : 5/10/2015 6:04 pm : link
That's a ballsy call. Leveon elbowed him in the face.

Rose ties it....leveon cries about the no call down the other end
I wonder  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:04 pm : link
if we'll have chris r show us a gif of Dunleavy throwing his head back despite not getting hit in the head.
Lebron  
UConn4523 : 5/10/2015 6:04 pm : link
is just insufferable. First game in a long time the baby is t getting every call
Obviously lebron  
kelsto811 : 5/10/2015 6:04 pm : link
My phone seems to like leveon bell better
By dep's definition  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:04 pm : link
that's a foul on Noah
RE: By dep's definition  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 6:05 pm : link
In comment 12280032 MookGiants said:
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that's a foul on Noah


I probably would have called it.
Probably a foul on noah  
UConn4523 : 5/10/2015 6:06 pm : link
and borderline tech on lebron
fuck  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 6:06 pm : link
what awful defense there.
yeah!  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:06 pm : link
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Damn  
kelsto811 : 5/10/2015 6:06 pm : link
Heartbreaker for the Bulls
Awful  
UConn4523 : 5/10/2015 6:07 pm : link
Deserved to lose that game
Nice defensive set  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 6:07 pm : link
I cant wait for Thibs to be fucking fired.
To me that's not a foul  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:08 pm : link
on Noah. Let the guys play. LeBron went soft on it and didn't deserve to get a foul called. Play on.
RE: yeah!  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 6:08 pm : link
In comment 12280038 MookGiants said:
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Dont be an ass Mook.
LeBron clutch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 6:09 pm : link
wow great finish there. LeBron had a lot of calls go against him at the end there but still found a way to get it done. Huge shot and now it's a best of 3.
I can't hear Jeff Van Gundy  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:10 pm : link
complain about the timeout thing. The Cavs drew up a play and then wound up with LeBron taking an incredibly low percentage jumper in the corner. They could have done the exact same if they didn't get a "timeout". It wasn't some genius play

They have to look at it, mostly because you have to get the clock and possession right. .7 seconds is a big deal.

What they need to do is not allow the players near the benches or the coach on the court in that situation. Easy fix
wonder what the last series  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 6:10 pm : link
to have two consecutive walk-off buzzer beaters was.
fuck that  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 6:11 pm : link
the Bulls are the Red Sox, Eagles to me. I'm rooting like hell against them and at the same time would like the Cavs to win a title.
Its been a part of the problem with Bulls  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 6:14 pm : link
Despite game 3 where they almost blew it, they just dont know how to win these games. Up 7 after 3, and their offense just becomes god awful. Throwing it to Noah at the elbow and have him holding it and not getting good shots. Losing shooters consistently. Taking poor shots at the end of the game (Rose's forced 3), and then finding a way to lose it.

They didnt deserve to win with anemic shooitng in the 2nd and 4th periods. But with How Cleveland played, that was a game they could have stole.
RE: I'm happy  
santacruzom : 5/10/2015 7:20 pm : link
In comment 12279930 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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that I jinxed the Warriors by calling them the best sports team I've seen since the '07 Pats.

Memphis is really beating them up. Mike Conley has been one of the most underrated players in the league for a while now, good to see him prove his worth in these playoffs.


I get some consolation remembering that OKC was down 2-1 to Memphis (and then down 3-2) last year. Memphis is a tough team, no doubt, but GS has reasons to believe they can still get this.

They forced Memphis into taking some really tough shots that amazingly went in at perfect times.. Randolph's shot clock beating turnaround, Gasol's near three, Lee's back breaker 3, etc. Klay and Steph both left points point behind at the FT line, which hopefully won't happen often but has actually been a GS issue for some time, one I'm sure Kerr will want to address next training camp.

Kerr has been calm and has talked about this being part of the process of learning to be a championship team... I hope he is already the coach that can lead them through this, but I'd he isn't, he's getting close to being that guy.
this is awful to watch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 9:40 pm : link
the Hacking completely ruins the flow of the game. The game won't be over until 6AM at this rate.

But uglying it up is the best chance the Rockets have in this series. Just gotta win this game and get the job done.
LeBron has been horrible this series  
chris r : 5/10/2015 9:45 pm : link
terribly inefficient shooting, turning the ball over all over the place.

He's lucky Noah has a degenerative knee condition, Pau is hurt and Taj is playing like garbage otherwise his latest hijinks would be blowing up in his face again like Miami year 1 after the promises of 6 or 7 rings.
RE: LeBron has been horrible this series  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12280496 chris r said:
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terribly inefficient shooting, turning the ball over all over the place.

He's lucky Noah has a degenerative knee condition, Pau is hurt and Taj is playing like garbage otherwise his latest hijinks would be blowing up in his face again like Miami year 1 after the promises of 6 or 7 rings.


He outcoaches Thibs in just about every game.

If the Bulls cant beat Lebron playing one of his worst playoff series, a banged up Irving, and no Kevin Love - maybe the Bulls just arent that good.
28 FTA by Jordan in the 1st half  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 10:00 pm : link
NBA playoff record. Totally unwatchable. Rockets still down 6.

LeBron has definitely had a bad series from a shooting perspective. As historically great as he is, his J is still really inconsistent.
RE: this is awful to watch  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12280466 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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the Hacking completely ruins the flow of the game. The game won't be over until 6AM at this rate.

But uglying it up is the best chance the Rockets have in this series. Just gotta win this game and get the job done.


Its just so incredibly frustrating to watch.
Hour and a half to watch  
SimpleMan : 5/10/2015 10:03 pm : link
24 minutes of play. Fucking terrible to watch.
NBA will get rid of hacking this summer  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/10/2015 10:08 pm : link
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First time Ive ever seen  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 10:27 pm : link
a guy get T for trying to block a shot.

Houston is just outclassed. Wonder if McHale will be back.
RE: RE: LeBron has been horrible this series  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12280573 dep026 said:
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terribly inefficient shooting, turning the ball over all over the place.

He's lucky Noah has a degenerative knee condition, Pau is hurt and Taj is playing like garbage otherwise his latest hijinks would be blowing up in his face again like Miami year 1 after the promises of 6 or 7 rings.



He outcoaches Thibs in just about every game.

If the Bulls cant beat Lebron playing one of his worst playoff series, a banged up Irving, and no Kevin Love - maybe the Bulls just arent that good.


So he's lucky Pau is hurt, but the Bulls aren't lucky Love is hurt and Smith was suspended for the first 2 games?
It might be unwatchable..  
Sean : 5/10/2015 10:33 pm : link
been learn how to make a fucking foul shot.
RE: It might be unwatchable..  
MookGiants : 5/10/2015 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12280662 Sean said:
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been learn how to make a fucking foul shot.


I don't think they're missing them on purpose, and I have to believe they work their ass off shooting them.

They have to change it though. No one on the planet enjoys watching it, and ultimately that's what matters most. If the fans aren't watching because of it, you have to change it
Not only are these games tough to watch  
dep026 : 5/10/2015 10:40 pm : link
but these players are hard to root for.
RE: RE: RE: LeBron has been horrible this series  
santacruzom : 5/10/2015 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12280655 MookGiants said:
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terribly inefficient shooting, turning the ball over all over the place.

He's lucky Noah has a degenerative knee condition, Pau is hurt and Taj is playing like garbage otherwise his latest hijinks would be blowing up in his face again like Miami year 1 after the promises of 6 or 7 rings.



He outcoaches Thibs in just about every game.

If the Bulls cant beat Lebron playing one of his worst playoff series, a banged up Irving, and no Kevin Love - maybe the Bulls just arent that good.



So he's lucky Pau is hurt, but the Bulls aren't lucky Love is hurt and Smith was suspended for the first 2 games?


if you're talking about all the things LeBron is lucky about, you have to include the fact that he's lucky he was born to be a better basketball player than everyone he is playing against
Clippers are a lot better  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/10/2015 11:36 pm : link
the Rockets have too many flaws to win a Championship. The PG position first and foremost. Pablo Prigioni and Jason Terry as your PG rotation is dreadful for any team, forget about a playoff contender. A healthy Bev would've helped because he was a bulldog who could atleast play a little D unlike Prigs and Terry. But even a healthy Pat Bev is probably not even a Top 15 PG in this league. The first thing the Rockets need to add is a PG in the off-season.

Embarrassing Defense by the Rockets. Just pathetic. Hopefully they can take Game 5 at Home and make things interesting.

With the Clips up 3-1 and the Warriors down 1-2, I think the Clips have jumped up to #1 in the Power Rankings and are now the title favorite based on the odds.
RE: NBA will get rid of hacking this summer  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/11/2015 3:37 am : link
In comment 12280607 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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They shouldn't.

A 10 year-old girl should be able to make the same percentage of free throws DeAndre Jordan makes. I agree with Pop... if you want to stop it, make your fucking free throws. Making them at only 60% would stop the hacking.
How many players in the league  
santacruzom : 5/11/2015 3:49 am : link
play enough minutes to be worthy of hacking in this fashion? 5?
Tough loss for Chicago  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/11/2015 5:55 am : link
Up 11 late in the 3rd at home & a chance to take a stranglehold on the series.

Curious to hear opinions on this....  
dep026 : 5/11/2015 4:43 pm : link
Supposedly (I dont have a link, just basically going off another site) that there is video evidence of Scott Foster looking at Blatt calling for a timeout and telling him, "No" because it would have resulted in a technical foul.

Now this has nothing to do with the outcome, because even though it happened to the Bulls - a part of me actually believes the ref did the right thing here. But if he saw the timeout signal, does he have the responsibility to call it - even knowing they had no timeouts left?

A fan wants me to call it, but the coach in me says he did the right thing. Very interesting to me.
heard that on Mike and Mike (not sure why i listen to that crap)  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2015 5:01 pm : link
this morning. But Bulls fan aside, its pretty shitty that the moron wasn't given a technical for calling for a TO with none remaining. I also thought that LeBron got fouled by Noah, but in true LeBron fashion, made my skin crawl about how he checked Butler after the out of bounds whistle, while trying to cry and scream for a foul, which should have been a tech.

Either way, I think Cleveland wins the series, but there has been some truly questionable things going on.
I'm glad they didn't give Blatt the T  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 5:24 pm : link
Steph Curry and Golden State in a must-win situation tonight, can't wait to see what they do.
I don't understand how one could  
chris r : 5/11/2015 5:26 pm : link
support not officiating the game as per the rules.

The Cavs should have lost last night and selective AKA bad officiating is the only reason they didn't.
I can't say they should have lost  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2015 5:42 pm : link
The Bulls played like morons in the 4th and shouldn't have been in that position, but how the fuck can you not call that on Blatt, if true? It's not open to interpretation, it's a rule.
you can't blame selective officiating  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 6:10 pm : link
when most of the calls went against the Cavs at the end of the game. LeBron was obviously fouled. But you don't call ticky tack Noah foul at the end, which is why you don't call that stupid Blatt TO at the end.
Blatt comes off as a complete joke though  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 6:11 pm : link
I bet he's going to write a very interesting book in the future with LeBron tidbits.
One was a judgement call  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2015 6:29 pm : link
the other was a clear rule break with the ref apparently acknowledging that he couldn't use a TO since there wasn't one. Everything that happened up to that point is irrelevant.
I really don't care if he called it or not  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 6:33 pm : link
I've seen this situation play out a lot of times in the past where coaches or players call the TO and they get ignored. This isn't some rare occurrence, C-Webb wasn't the last guy to do it. But it was a playoff game involving LeBron so it's blown out of proportion like everything.

If the ref called it, I wouldn't complained.
The ref didn't call it, I'm not complaining.
complain not complained  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 6:33 pm : link
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the guy I coached with  
dep026 : 5/11/2015 6:37 pm : link
Reffed college ball for 20 years. He actually said the red made a mistake. Since he knew the situation, he shouldn't even have looked at Platt knowing he had no timeouts. He said he probably wouldn't have given the timeout either, but he thinks the ref shouldn't even look in the firdt place.

I am in the crowd of a no call there.
this Grit and Grind nickname  
santacruzom : 5/11/2015 9:50 pm : link
Gets lamer every time the announcers say it.
that farmersonly.com commercial  
santacruzom : 5/11/2015 10:01 pm : link
Is a joke right? Right?
I don't have a good feeling  
santacruzom : 5/11/2015 10:16 pm : link
Despite being up eight... These frequent whistles are a bad sign.
RE: I don't understand how one could  
MookGiants : 5/11/2015 10:18 pm : link
In comment 12281820 chris r said:
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support not officiating the game as per the rules.

The Cavs should have lost last night and selective AKA bad officiating is the only reason they didn't.


Where is the gif of Dunleavy throwing his head back like he got shot, despite not getting hit in the head?
alright  
santacruzom : 5/11/2015 10:41 pm : link
Curry has got this shit.
Golden State is just wrecking the Grizz right now  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/11/2015 11:24 pm : link
they're the better team and they showed some real balls with this performance tonight.

Memphis still has a chance because of how tough they are on the interior and on D, but this was their best chance and it looks like they blew it.
Warriors made a great adjustment  
jdf : 5/12/2015 3:33 am : link
By having Bogut "guard" Tony Allen, or basically roam the point and let Allen shoot open threes, which he bricked. Jaeger had to take Allen out, and that hurt the Grizzlies D. Warriors also doubled the Grizzlies bigs in the post more.

Wonder how the Grizzlies will adjust in the next game. Maybe play Carter more instead of Tony Allen?

Anyway, three great series tied at 2-2. Only Houston looks dead in the water.
Big win for GS last night  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 6:30 am : link
That's what a champion does: respond big time down 2-1.

We've got 3 great series going on right now. I'm really looking forward to Bulls-Cavs tonight at 7.
NBA came out with their officaiting report  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:10 am : link
of the last two minutes of the Cavs/Bullsgame. Couple things stuck out.

1. The only call they got incorrect, supposedly, was the Noah foul on James at the end of the game, which even I admit I probably would have called.
2. The offensive foul on James on Dunleavy was the correct call, and now there is video evidence that James elbowed Dunleavy (sorry Mook)
3. And of course the most controversial one.... they did not comment on the the timeout call because supposedly none of the officials saw it. Well this is where I got to call BS. The video is linked below. Scott Foster is the referee underneath and it looks as thogh he is shaking his head when Blatt comes out on the floor. Also, the referee at half court is clearly walking towards Blatt and looking at him as he is calling for the timeout.

Just some food for thought before what is suppose to be a wild game 5.
Blatt timeout - ( New Window )
if Gasol doesn't play tonight  
UConn4523 : 5/12/2015 9:25 am : link
then I think the Cavs lock it up in 6. We will run out of steam without him. We also need Dunleavy to not get 4 fouls by halftime. Losing his 3 point shot for virtually the entire 2nd half was huge.
RE: if Gasol doesn't play tonight  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12282604 UConn4523 said:
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then I think the Cavs lock it up in 6. We will run out of steam without him. We also need Dunleavy to not get 4 fouls by halftime. Losing his 3 point shot for virtually the entire 2nd half was huge.


The Gasol problem is two-fold.

1. We are worse offensively without him. A noah-Gasol frontline does not work against Cleveland, as they normally go to a stretch 4. But with Mirotic-Dunleavy at the stretch 4 and Gasol at the 5, the pick-n-roll offense becomes deadly.
2. The Bulls are so much better defensively without Gasol. Noah plays his better position. Gibson is a superior defender.

Its unlikely he will play tonight, so I can see Chicago struggle mightily offensively again. The Bulls really need Brooks, Mirotic, or even Snell to make some outside shots. Mirotic struggled mightily on some open looks last game.
yeah  
UConn4523 : 5/12/2015 10:07 am : link
Mirotic needs to play like he did after the ASB. He killed us in the 4th on Sunday. An airball 3 with no one within 10 feet of him? That simply cannot happen.
More NBA conspiracies  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 10:44 am : link
for tonight's game.

Joey Crawford has the game tonight. In playoff games in which he has officiated, Lebron James is 25-3. Games that he hasnt. 40-51.

NBA is rigged!!! (just starting the flame for tonight...haha)
RE: More NBA conspiracies  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12282792 dep026 said:
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for tonight's game.

Joey Crawford has the game tonight. In playoff games in which he has officiated, Lebron James is 25-3. Games that he hasnt. 40-51.


Damn, LeBron has played in 119 playoff games already?

Where has the time gone?
RE: RE: More NBA conspiracies  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12283244 santacruzom said:
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for tonight's game.

Joey Crawford has the game tonight. In playoff games in which he has officiated, Lebron James is 25-3. Games that he hasnt. 40-51.




Damn, LeBron has played in 119 playoff games already?

Where has the time gone?


I wish their was an edit to my post, because the numbers dont add up. He has played in 166 games!
RE: NBA came out with their officaiting report  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 2:19 pm : link
In comment 12282576 dep026 said:
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Also, the referee at half court is clearly walking towards Blatt and looking at him as he is calling for the timeout.


"Clear" is not a word I'd use to describe anything about that video other than the font above it. Especially in full screen mode, where it looks like an Atari game.
I just want the Rockets to show some heart  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 2:21 pm : link
the Clips are better and the two beatdowns in LA were embarrassing. The Rockets were exposed.

But they should still be able to win this one at Home and make things interesting. Harden needs to gun for 50 and the fucking defense needs to show up for once.
Actually my initial numbers were way off base  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 2:22 pm : link
please do what you guys normally do and ignore me. I got some wrong info and I passed it along.

I feel so ashamed :(
RE: RE: NBA came out with their officaiting report  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12283258 santacruzom said:
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Also, the referee at half court is clearly walking towards Blatt and looking at him as he is calling for the timeout.




"Clear" is not a word I'd use to describe anything about that video other than the font above it. Especially in full screen mode, where it looks like an Atari game.


To me it looked like he was walking towards the bench, but I think its clear he is looking at him though. I am pretty confident he saw him calling the TO. Like I said, even as a Bulls fan - it didnt bother me that they didnt acknowledge it.
from 538  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 3:13 pm : link


LeBron gets the credit he deserves for being an all-time great, but he really doesn't get enough credit for being one of the clutchest players in league history.

There's a narrative that LeBron's a "Choker" because of his no-show in the '11 Finals (pathetic performance from him), but over the course of his entire career he has been extremely clutch.

Post-MJ, LeBron might just be the clutchest player the league has seen. The general public would probably say Kobe but LeBron has been FAR better in both big games and late/close situations than Kobe.
Osi  
KWALL2 : 5/12/2015 4:03 pm : link
Why do you think HOU should win today? I don't think it matters where the game is played.

Rockets have been exposed especially their top players.

We'll see another easy victory again for LA.
it's not their top players  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 4:11 pm : link
that have been exposed, it's the rest of the roster and coach.

It's a home game, only reason I say "should". Clips are clearly better and more battle-tested.
Harden  
KWALL2 : 5/12/2015 4:13 pm : link
Has been terrible. Redick is checking him.

Howard's been worse.
Harden is averaging 25/9 on .448 FG% and .444 3P%  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 4:46 pm : link
it's not like he's loading up on garbage-time stats either, he has 9 points in the 4th quarter of the past two blowouts.

He's been ok. Not great, but ok. Especially considering he carried the Rockets to the win in Game 2 with a monster 4th quarter.

The real thing that's been exposed when it comes to Harden is the fact that he has to play PG and SG on the Rockets which is too much to ask of him against elite playoff competition.

He's been bad by his standards in this series and is still having a pretty good series. That isn't getting exposed.
.664 TS% in this series for Harden  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 4:50 pm : link
that's the opposite of getting exposed.


My beef with Harden is that the PG/SG dual responsibilities have made him way too cautious with his shot. He isn't even averaging 15 FGA in this series. He needs to be way more aggressive with his shot.

If Harden takes less than 20 FGA in this game, I would be furious. And by 20, I really mean 25. The dude needs to let it fly and the Rockets need to die by their sword instead of going out like scared bitches.
Losing Beverly  
KWALL2 : 5/12/2015 4:56 pm : link
Was a killer but Harden has not played anything close to an MVP type. He was brutal in game 1. In all of the losses really. He's played a good half. That's about it.

Not what you expect from your top player. This is a league where the top players are supposed to carry the team in playoffs. He has failed miserably for most of he series.

His level of play is well below what he was doing in the regular season. They have no chance without Harden playing an elite game.
As a Clipper fan  
KWALL2 : 5/12/2015 5:01 pm : link
I was very happy to hear that you HC want to establish Howard's low post scoring. That is not he solution. Every time they drop it in to him in the low post it's a win for the opponent. I'd like to see that all game.
Harden hasn't played great  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 5:51 pm : link
but to pretend like he's the reason the Rockets are losing this series is idiotic. The Rockets are losing this series because they don't have a single PG who belongs on an NBA playoff roster and because they have no answer to Blake at the PF spot. This is a flawed team and that's why Harden carrying them to 56 wins was amazing. Sure Harden has some clear flaws in his game especially on the defensive end, but the role players are the reason why the Rockets have been horrible in this series.

I agree about Dwight post-ups, that's not the answer.
DMo was our best post scorer  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/12/2015 5:55 pm : link
I don't think DMo would've been enough to lead the Rockets past the Clips so this isn't an excuse. But he was definitely a big loss because he was our best positional PF defender and low-post scorer, both being things the Rockets could really use right now.
Awesome start for Chicago  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:08 pm : link
Rooting for Bulls tonight. I want 7.
Good start  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:12 pm : link
cant let up. No 0-16 slumps in the two quarters this game please.
Butler with 2  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:17 pm : link
this is big. Ugh.
Rose to dep:  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:21 pm : link
F*ck you.
Iman Shumpert  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:28 pm : link
has been the x-factor this series. He never shot this well for the Knicks.
Wow.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:28 pm : link
Chicago down at end of 1st quarter. That doesn't bode well.
RE: Wow.  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:30 pm : link
In comment 12283819 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Chicago down at end of 1st quarter. That doesn't bode well.


Nope. This is very reminiscent of 2011. Rose playing well. Outside Gibson, their role players cant do anything.
LeBron just destroying Butler  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:35 pm : link
Right now.
This has blowout written all over it.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:37 pm : link
Cleveland just imposing their will right now.
RE: LeBron just destroying Butler  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12283829 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
[quote] Right now. [/quote

Cant guard him with 2 fouls. Hes backing off everything as he is being posted. Thats why those 2 fouls in the first were big (and both were legitimate). Its forces him not to be physical cause a 3rd puts him to the bench.

Need Rose to play 43 minutes tonight. Get him back out there, because there is no offense. We are posting mirotic (who isnt a post player), Brooks is out of control. Noah isnt a threat.

If James dominates like this, they are just too good.
And sure enough  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:40 pm : link
Brooks make another careless turnover. Thibs is asleep at the wheel again.
Is Rose injured?  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:42 pm : link
Why is he not back in?
LeBron is not losing tonight.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:44 pm : link
No chance.
gonna be a tough one to win  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 7:47 pm : link
Lebron is dominating and wants the ball every time. We give the ball to Noah to do god knows what.
Bulls lost this series Sunday  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 7:59 pm : link
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RE: Bulls lost this series Sunday  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:00 pm : link
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They were never beating them. We post Noah every possesion. Every fucking possession he gets the ball i nthe post and does nothing.

I cant wait for Thibs to be fired.
why  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 8:05 pm : link
is Perkins in the game?
Chicago shot what, 20 % in the 2nd quarter?  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 8:06 pm : link
Embarrassing.
Disgusting basketball  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:06 pm : link
not a single adjustment. Running the offense through Noah. Cant make a shot.

This is rinse and repeat since 2011. Orlando should look elsewhere for a coach.
First 4-5 minutes  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:22 pm : link
are going to determine whether this will be a game in the 4th. Bulls have to go on a mini run to make things interest. An 8-2 run by the Lebrons will end this game sooner than usual.
Cleveland goes small  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:34 pm : link
Thibs stays big. Cleveland scores at will. Every game.
Dunleavy with the 3  
ADeP7 : 5/12/2015 8:35 pm : link
3 point game
HE TOOK FIVE STEPS  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 8:40 pm : link
!
Thats a weak  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:41 pm : link
T.
RE: Rose to dep:  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12283806 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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F*ck you.


Rose needs to step up. He has done shit since the first quarter.
RE: RE: Bulls lost this series Sunday  
schabadoo : 5/12/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12283856 dep026 said:
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They were never beating them. We post Noah every possesion. Every fucking possession he gets the ball i nthe post and does nothing.

I cant wait for Thibs to be fired.


It would've been 3-1, of course they were beating them.

And now it's a 4 point game.
RE: RE: RE: Bulls lost this series Sunday  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:50 pm : link
In comment 12283920 schabadoo said:
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In comment 12283856 dep026 said:


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In comment 12283853 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:


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They were never beating them. We post Noah every possesion. Every fucking possession he gets the ball i nthe post and does nothing.

I cant wait for Thibs to be fired.



It would've been 3-1, of course they were beating them.

And now it's a 4 point game.


No they werent. Thibs is a fucking clueless coach. For a defensive guru, he cant stop a 4 guard offense. Never has, nor will he ever.

This is embarrassing. They have 4 guards out there. YOU NEED TO PLAY 4 GUARDS AS WELL!
NBA officiating is a joke.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 8:52 pm : link
I don't blame people when they say this sport is rigged. Sometimes it feels like it is.
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread  
schabadoo : 5/12/2015 8:54 pm : link
Didn't realize you were fixated on the coach.
Your down 10  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:55 pm : link
and start Rose and Butler on the bench. I just cant take his incompetence anymore.
Delladova  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 8:59 pm : link
should be kicked out as well. Thats a BS move on his part as well. Both of them should be gone.
How was Gibson  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 8:59 pm : link
not called for a foul originally? He pushed Delavadova right to the ground.

Gibson should get a flagrant foul and that's it. Yes it was a leg lock but you can't kick the guy
actually  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:00 pm : link
the kick wasn't bad, i'd just call a double technical and that's it
i still dont know  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:00 pm : link
how Gibson wasn't called for a foul for his two handed shove right to the back that pushed him to the ground
NBA referee incompetence  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:01 pm : link
at its finest.
don't agree with that  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:01 pm : link
he barely kicked him.
LOL.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 9:02 pm : link
This league can be a joke.
RE: don't agree with that  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:02 pm : link
In comment 12283961 MookGiants said:
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he barely kicked him.


Bulls werent winning this game or series. But that just showed how bad NBA officiating is.
Cleveland ends this series  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 9:05 pm : link
Thursday.
Disagree this will go 7  
hitdog42 : 5/12/2015 9:06 pm : link
Karma is a bitch and Deladova is worse then prime raja bell and not as good a player either-
Bulls will shoot it better and get the calls
The Bulls really need to blow their team up  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:07 pm : link
If you cant beat Lebron with no Love and an injured Kyrie, you arent beating them anytime in the near future.

You have to trade Noah and Gasol and get draft picks for them. And they shouldnt honestly think about trading Butler too. His value will never be higher. If the Lakers want him, ask for their number 1 this year. Keep Rose. Keep Gibson. Keep Mirotic. Keep Snell/McDermott. Get rid of useless Hinrich.

I guess Hoiberg will be their next coach, not sure how thrilled I am with that. And in the next 2-3 years, you jsut rebuild.
Rose is 2 for his last 14  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:12 pm : link
he didnt step up either.
Webber  
hitdog42 : 5/12/2015 9:14 pm : link
Has been accurate in his criticisms of bulls offense
RE: Rose to dep:  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12283806 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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F*ck you.


dep to Rose. Step the fuck up.
this game  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:23 pm : link
isn't over
RE: this game  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:27 pm : link
In comment 12284038 MookGiants said:
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isn't over


24 secondf violation out of a timeout. Classic Thibs.
Rose  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:28 pm : link
just didnt get it done.

Stop with the Rose is injured. He is always injured.
ooh  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 9:29 pm : link
I think that is off of Thompson's fingertips.
Thats off Thompson  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:29 pm : link
...
maybe resting Rose and Butler  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 9:31 pm : link
To start the fourth actually paid off?
No  
hitdog42 : 5/12/2015 9:32 pm : link
Everything thibs does is wrong and rose is bad at basketball.........
RE: maybe resting Rose and Butler  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12284055 santacruzom said:
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To start the fourth actually paid off?


Getting down by a bigger score isnt a plus. And after I wrote that Rose came back in at 11:23 after they gave up a and-1 and turned it over. So he didnt rest long.

But Rose has to be a decoy now. Id go with Butler and Dunleavy.
RE: No  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12284059 hitdog42 said:
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Everything thibs does is wrong and rose is bad at basketball.........


He's 3 for his last 18. He has been great all series and Ive said so. Tonight he hasnt been. Still time though.
Matt Delladova  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:34 pm : link
just outworked Kirk Hinrich for a rebound. Sad.
Butler shoots a ridiculous 3..  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 9:35 pm : link
So stupid.
LOL.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 9:37 pm : link
That was the call. LOL.
RE: Butler shoots a ridiculous 3..  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:37 pm : link
In comment 12284073 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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So stupid.


I call it a typical Thibs out of boudns play. Theres another one.

We throw the ball to Joakim fucking Noah. The last 3 out of bounds plays they ran resulted in a 24 second violation, an off balance three, and a turnover.

Thats why Thibs can be shown the door.
The offense that Thibs  
Metnut : 5/12/2015 9:39 pm : link
runs just looks bad. Even when they score, it's usually off of some sort of broken play. This has been a consistent theme over the past 4-5 years. I don't think this series is his "fault" but I think the Bulls could benefit from a change if they can't get out of this round.

On the bright side, while Rose faded after the first quarter, it looks like at least 90% of his athleticism is still there. He's still incredibly fast and has a great burst on the first step. His touch at the rim and 3pt shot will improve with another offseason. Rose (as well as Mirotic) should improve next year, but I'm not sure it'll be enough to get past Lebron.
Ill be shocked if the Bulls  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:40 pm : link
can come back and win game 6. They havent played well at home all year. Gasol is banged up. rose has another injury supposedly now.

They just cant beat Lebron in these types of games. They got lucky in game 3, but Lebron just beats them every time in these type of games.
This series ends Thursday  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2015 9:42 pm : link
Especially if Gasol is out.
RE: This series ends Thursday  
dep026 : 5/12/2015 9:43 pm : link
In comment 12284100 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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doesnt matter if Gasol is out.


Fixed it for you.
good to see Houston playing so well  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 11:14 pm : link
I don't care who wins the series, but I just hope it goes to seven so the winner won't be better rested than the Dubs (if they win their series).

But, Howard playing like this would be scary.
NBA  
santacruzom : 5/12/2015 11:17 pm : link
Playoffs are so unpredictable... You never know when a team good enough to make the playoffs is just gonna play like crap on a random night.
NBA playoffs  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/12/2015 11:57 pm : link
are the most predictable of any of the major sports, I think.
yeah  
MookGiants : 5/13/2015 12:03 am : link
have to agree with Paul. By far the most predictable sport in the playoffs
the series usually wind up ending as expected  
santacruzom : 5/13/2015 1:48 am : link
But the games within often don't
RE: the series usually wind up ending as expected  
MookGiants : 5/13/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12284301 santacruzom said:
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But the games within often don't


If the games within often don't, how does the series wind up as expected?
RE: yeah  
dep026 : 5/13/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12284271 MookGiants said:
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have to agree with Paul. By far the most predictable sport in the playoffs


The question is, does predictability a good or bad thing? Shouldnt the best teams be the ones in at the end?

Hockey is just crazy with unpredictability, so you will get some higher seeds. Baseball only has 4 teams so its not like its some out of nowhere team that makes it. Football seems to be chalk to me a lot of time with the occasional Giants/Steelers that come out of nowhere to win it.

But if we put our homerism and hatred for teams aside - isnt the point to get the two best teams playing for the title?
unless  
MookGiants : 5/13/2015 11:03 am : link
you're a fan of one of the 2-3 teams who can realistically win a title in a given year, you watch knowing you have no shot. That's pretty shitty.

In the other 3 major sports, you know if you get into the playoffs you at least have a punchers chance to win it all.

NBA is 4th for me and probably always will be. I enjoy the finals and sometimes the conference finals, but the first 2 rounds for the most part are a snooze fest for me in the NBA
WAAAHHHHhh  
adambear : 5/13/2015 11:10 am : link
sports
predictability doesn't mean everything  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 12:53 pm : link
there's a beauty to the NBA's predictability. Less chance of a fluke. The results are based on skill rather than luck in the NBA to a greater degree than in any of the other big sports. But in recent years the NBA has gotten less predictable because the talent depth in the league is so good right now. There were about a half dozen teams in the Western Conference who could've won the title this season had things gone totally right for them. The East is a different story, and that conference imbalance sucks but atleast it's better than it used to be.

So glad the Rockets showed some pride and didn't lay down. After those two games in LA, I wouldn't have been surprised if the Clippers won by 20 again. For the Rockets to win by 20 in that situation showed me something. A great performance from Harden to lead the way, 26/11/10 for his first career triple double in the playoffs. I fully expect the Clippers to win Game 6, but I'm glad the Rockets are giving themselves a chance.

yesterday was LeBron's 30th career 35+ pt playoff game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 1:19 pm : link
Here's how he stacks up against everyone post-1970...

35+ pt games in playoff career (post-1970)
Jordan -------- 75
Kobe --------- 39
Shaq ---------- 32
LeBron ------- 30
Kareem ------- 26
Hakeem ------- 23
Iverson -------- 21

Some great names on that list. First thing that stands out is Jordan's dominance as a scorer. Kobe is the only guy with even half as many 35+ scoring outbursts. LeBron might even end up with more monster playoff scoring outbursts than Kobe though, which would be amazing since LeBron gets underrated as a pure scorer sometimes. LeBron really is one of the great scorers in league history who just so happens to be able to do a hell of a lot more than score.
RE: RE: the series usually wind up ending as expected  
santacruzom : 5/13/2015 1:46 pm : link
In comment 12284630 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12284301 santacruzom said:


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But the games within often don't



If the games within often don't, how does the series wind up as expected?


Well, there are straight roads that wind up to their destination, ridiculously curvy ones, and roads in between. If the Warriors do wind up winning against Memphis you can say that the team expected to win did win, but the games themselves were a bit unexpected -- most people who saw The Warriors toy with Memphis twice in the regular season wouldn't have expected them to lose game two at home.
very few things in sports  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 2:30 pm : link
as good as the favorite in an NBA series trailing 2-1 or 3-2 heading into a must-win. You get to see what teams are made of. That Warriors game 4 was a great example.
Osi  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/13/2015 2:52 pm : link
interesting list. I saw this on Reddit, regarding Lebron and field goal attempts. 30 field goal attempts is an arbitrary number, but a round one. I have no idea what the rates look like if we lower it slightly to 28 or even 25 attempts per game. But since I didn't do the research, I can only repost it here.

- Jordan played 179 playoff games, attempting 30+ shots 39 times.
- Kobe has played 220 payoff games, attempting 30+ 17 times.
- LeBron, in now 167 playoff games, attempting 30+ 5 times.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/35sebi/the_effect_kevin_loves_absence_is_having_on/ - ( New Window )
also  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/13/2015 2:58 pm : link
I thought this was interesting from ESPN (via Elias).

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ESPN Stats & InfoVerified account
‏@ESPNStatsInfo
Most Games-- Outright Team Leader in Pts, Reb, Ast
NBA Playoff History (via ELIAS)
LeBron James 33
Larry Bird 13
Tim Duncan 11


The caveat is that sometimes a stat like this reflects more than it reflects ability. Michael Jordan just wasn't asked to rebound in the same way that Lebron is.

Also, being the leader in all three categories, like a triple double, or a Triple Crown even, isn't necessarily more dominant than excelling more in one category and falling short in another.

However, I think it's worth posting to show Lebron's ability to be a complete, well-rounded player night in and night out in the playoffs and that there is often a misconception about his career performance in the playoffs.
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/598313276351578112 - ( New Window )
LeBron is very smart  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 3:03 pm : link
when it comes to his shot. One of the most efficient ever.

That reddit post makes a good point, without Love on the floor LeBron is going to be forced into scoring more. I believe LeBron's Usage Rate without Love on the floor is a Westbrookian 40% type of number. LeBron's going to need to average 25 FGA a game or something in that range, which means we could see a few more 35+ point outbursts these playoffs.
Paul  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 3:06 pm : link
I'm glad you posted that Team Leader in PTS/AST/REB stat. I saw that graphic after the game last night but I couldn't find it on the net today.

You're right that the stat doesn't mean everything because different guys are asked to do different things.

But the simple fact is that LeBron has consistently been asked to do more than any player in NBA history. And he just keeps on getting it done.

We have less than 1000 days of "GOAT candidate LeBron" left, maybe less than 800. I'm going to enjoy the hell out of watching the tail-end of his historic peak.
yeah  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/13/2015 3:13 pm : link
we'll see if his body can hold up the strain of such a usage rate when he'll have a lot of tough bodies banging on him yet will still be asked to burn the candle on both ends of the floor. Love is a huge loss for them but LeBron won't get the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't win it all.

It'll be interesting to see if over the next several years he dedicates himself to refining his jump shot and his post-up game for when his age starts to get up there.
his J just isn't consistent  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 3:18 pm : link
the fact that he's never been able to get that FT% up to 80+ is an odd little fact about his career. He's just a streaky outside shooter and at the end of the day, that's why he falls short of MJ in my eyes.

But his post-game is going to be dominant whenever he feels like relying on that more as he ages.

Watching LeBron age is going to be fascinating. Jordan didn't let us see him turn mortal, which is one of the main reasons his legacy is so perfect. But there's something impressive about a guy like Tim Duncan aging gracefully and making a monster impact past his prime. I hope LeBron follows in Duncan's path.
Lebron always  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/13/2015 3:26 pm : link
seems to have a hitch in his shot, like a video game character. Pure shooters tend to jump and release the ball right as they are reaching their apex. LeBron jumps high holding the ball in a shooting position, hits his apex, and then releases. I always wondered if addressing that could give him more stability in his form in that he would be jumping into his shot more.
for such an amazing athlete  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/13/2015 3:38 pm : link
one flaw in his total athletic package is that he's a little mechanical in his movements. I think it shows on his shot. He's switched up the form over the years just trying to find the answer.
See this is where I have a problem with the NBA  
dep026 : 5/13/2015 5:26 pm : link
they reviewed the Gibson/Delladova play. They admit Gibson should not have been thrown out. And that Delladova was to blame. So what do they do? They assess Delladova with an after game technical.

Now the crime is what is the punishment for the officials who clearly got it wrong? Are they suspended? Fined? They had a chance to review the play, and the three of them ALL got it wrong even with a slow motion replay. Just pathetic.

Oh and there is a report that the hack-a-Shaq is staying. Just foolish.
Jesus Christ  
santacruzom : 5/13/2015 10:35 pm : link
Paul Pierce blows it, and then redeems himself.
Wow  
dep026 : 5/13/2015 10:38 pm : link
what a crazy, crazy ending.
that was an impressive  
santacruzom : 5/13/2015 10:40 pm : link
Offensive rebound right there.
alright  
santacruzom : 5/14/2015 12:42 am : link
Now this series is going as it should.
Shaping up to be  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:50 am : link
Clips-Warriors, Hawks-Cavs.

Gasol vows to play tonight. Imagining it will be only 20-25 minutes, but they need some inside scoring. Hoping it just goes to game 7.
RE: Shaping up to be  
Enzo : 5/14/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12286487 dep026 said:
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Clips-Warriors, Hawks-Cavs.

that would be great. You're guaranteed that at least one long suffering fanbase is going to win it all.
No tomorrow  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:01 pm : link
Ride gasol as long as he is in there. Butler has to be option number 3.
Come on Chicago  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 8:01 pm : link
Force a Game 7.
Gasol looks good now  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:18 pm : link
Worry about him having to sit after running all this time. Just ride him until he needs to come out.
Nice start for Chicago.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 8:19 pm : link
Gasol looking good.
I'd take Rose out right now  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:23 pm : link
he is absolutely brutal again. Cant fall behind.
Chris r  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 8:36 pm : link
has a couple gifs now to provide us of Dunleavy flopping like a fish to the floor.
RE: Chris r  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12287322 MookGiants said:
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has a couple gifs now to provide us of Dunleavy flopping like a fish to the floor.


He was fouled though.
RE: RE: Chris r  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12287325 dep026 said:
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In comment 12287322 MookGiants said:


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has a couple gifs now to provide us of Dunleavy flopping like a fish to the floor.



He was fouled though.


Yes, he was. But he was only bumped and he went down like a freight train hit him full speed. And chris r loves to post gifs all the time of LeBron exaggerating a foul, so he should do the same when Dunleavy does it.
Clevelands  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:48 pm : link
role players have just been awesome all series. James Jones, Shumpert, Thompson, Delly.... just dominating Bulls role players.

Bulls cant stop them defensively.
See yah later Mirotic.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 8:57 pm : link
So stupid.
They better not call  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 8:57 pm : link
a flagrant on that. They just missed a foul on Butler's drive. And after all the shit the Cavs (mainly Delladova) and ejected Gibson for no reason.... they need to even some of these calls up.
Are  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 8:59 pm : link
you kidding? That's a flagrant and possibly one that deserves an ejection
RE: Are  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:00 pm : link
In comment 12287339 MookGiants said:
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you kidding? That's a flagrant and possibly one that deserves an ejection


If Delladova's was nothing, then so is that.
Bulls showing nothing  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 9:01 pm : link
This series ends tonight.
Doesnt even fucking matter  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:02 pm : link
they have 4 guards again. ANd Thibs continues to play 2 bigs for absolutely no fucking reason.

Any team that would pick Thibs up as a head coach is absolutely asinine.
So an oiffical  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:04 pm : link
40 feet away has a better angle than the ref 2 feet away.

Get fucked.
Shump!  
Sean : 5/14/2015 9:07 pm : link
.
lol  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:07 pm : link
Getting your ass kicked by scrubs. If you cant beat Cleveland without Love or Irving, you dont deserve to coach in this leage.

Kirk Hinrich provides nothing but plays the whole quarter. Great coaching. Outstanding.
This is just  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 9:08 pm : link
Embarrassing.
It's a good thing the Knicks gave away  
hitdog42 : 5/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
Shump for nothing
Kirk Hinrivh  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
has played 13 minutes.

0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, and cant defend.,

Tony Snell, the Bulls 2nd best 3 point shooter, cant get on the court. Just mind blowing stupid.
the Bulls  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
should have more fight than this.
RE: It's a good thing the Knicks gave away  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 9:10 pm : link
In comment 12287355 hitdog42 said:
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Shump for nothing


He had virtually no trade value around the league. They weren't exactly shy about trying to trade him. And he fucking sucked for the Knicks. They weren't bringing him back next year regardless
tell you what  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 9:11 pm : link
this all star squad that LeBron is playing with (as Chris R would lead you to believe) is playing great.
RE: the Bulls  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12287357 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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should have more fight than this.


Poorly coached. Not one adjustment made all series.
This game just sucks.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 9:13 pm : link
I thought Bulls would bring more. I thought wrong. Sad end to Thibs era.
If I am the players  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:14 pm : link
I wouldnt even let Thibs in the locker room. I would literally do the opposite of what he wants.
RE: This game just sucks.  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12287366 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Sad end to Thibs era.


Not sad for Bulls fans.
20-4 run to end the half  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 9:17 pm : link
You can't be down 14 at Home in an elimination game when LeBron and Kyrie have 6pts each at the half.

Bulls need to get their defensive swagger on right now. This is it for Thibs, it would be a shame if his tenure in Chicago ended with an embarrassing defensive performance.
They are a team built on  
hitdog42 : 5/14/2015 9:18 pm : link
Defense size and physicality

Noah is a shell of himself dinged up
Pau is hurt
Rose won't be himself consistently til next year
Butler is the only thing they can count on

It's not like they are working with these offensive juggernaut of pieces

I agree thibs makes no adjustments and his subbing patterns have been poor- but the team doesn't have a no brainier solution given the dinged up nature of their size
Thibs is what he is  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 9:19 pm : link
JVG with less personality. I don't think he's nearly as awful as you're making him out to be dep. I'm excited to see what he can do with a defensive backcourt like Payton/Oladipo. If Thibs helped turn Jimmy Butler into a star, I can't wait to see what he can do with Home Dipo.
RE: 20-4 run to end the half  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12287370 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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You can't be down 14 at Home in an elimination game when LeBron and Kyrie have 6pts each at the half.

Bulls need to get their defensive swagger on right now. This is it for Thibs, it would be a shame if his tenure in Chicago ended with an embarrassing defensive performance.


Thats the thing. He is so damn stubborn on his ways, he makes 0 adjustments. The Cavs make a huge run every 2nd quarter because the Cavs play 4 guards and he plays two of the following 4 (Niko, Noah, Gasol, Gibson). One of those 4 cannot guard a Shumpert. A Jones. So they get wide open looks.

When Cleveland goes 4 guards, the lineup should be Rose, Butler, Snell, and Dunleavy. With Brooks giving Rose a blow when he needs one. And then Hinrich could give Dunleavy a minute here and there.

But to play Hinrich for over 13 minutes is just absolutely pathetic coaching.
RE: Thibs is what he is  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12287373 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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JVG with less personality. I don't think he's nearly as awful as you're making him out to be dep. I'm excited to see what he can do with a defensive backcourt like Payton/Oladipo. If Thibs helped turn Jimmy Butler into a star, I can't wait to see what he can do with Home Dipo.


Look at it this way.

Rose is playing like an all-star. Maybe not a MVp, but an all star.
Butler has done a remarkable job on Lebron outside game 5.
Dunleavy is playing well.
He has 4 capable bigs

And he cant beat a Cleveland team minus Love and a hobbled Irving. Why in the world would Orlando want him? Thibs isnt losing to Cleveland because he lacks talent. He is losing because of poor game plans, poor substitution patterns, and a failure to adjust.

If I am Orlando or NOLA.... I am looking somewhere else.
it's clear that this roster  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 9:28 pm : link
just wasn't the best fit for Thibs. As great as Gasol and Mirotic were offensively, they negatively impact the team D which probably infuriates Thibs. This Bulls squad would probably do better with a coach with more of a creative mind on the offensive side. One thing that Thibs deserves getting ripped on for is being stubborn in his ways. But I don't think that necessarily makes him a terrible coach, there's a lot of shitty coaches out there who Thibs is better than.

BTW, Cal has the New Orleans job if he wants it. But I think Thibs is going to one of NOP/ORL.
RE: it's clear that this roster  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12287386 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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just wasn't the best fit for Thibs. As great as Gasol and Mirotic were offensively, they negatively impact the team D which probably infuriates Thibs. This Bulls squad would probably do better with a coach with more of a creative mind on the offensive side. One thing that Thibs deserves getting ripped on for is being stubborn in his ways. But I don't think that necessarily makes him a terrible coach, there's a lot of shitty coaches out there who Thibs is better than.

BTW, Cal has the New Orleans job if he wants it. But I think Thibs is going to one of NOP/ORL.


What I dont understand is that Snell is a good defender. And he is a pretty good shooter too. But he trusts bad veterans like Hinrich more. So frustrating.
Cant run the offense  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:33 pm : link
through Noah and Dunleavy. If Gasol is out there, you need to let him touch the ball.
Please let Gasol  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:36 pm : link
get the ball in the post. You dont play him for him to do nothing.
Man  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:38 pm : link
we just love the give to ball to Noah. And we continue to do fucking nothiung.
Noah  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:41 pm : link
noah and more noah.

No points, no points, more no points. Keep him in though.
This is over.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 9:42 pm : link
Really weak performance from Chicago.
Matt Delladova  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:47 pm : link
with the soon to be fine.
Go Atlanta.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 9:48 pm : link
Beat Cleveland!
brick city from LeBron  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 9:52 pm : link
yet the Cavs are still winning with ease.

LeBron is still the best player on the planet, but they're not going to beat any of the WC teams if he plays like this.
Note to Thibs  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:54 pm : link
JR Smith shoots nothing but 3s. Please put a guard on him instead of slow guys who cant defend. How many does he have to hit before you realizae he isnt looking to drive.
RE: brick city from LeBron  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:55 pm : link
In comment 12287416 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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yet the Cavs are still winning with ease.

LeBron is still the best player on the planet, but they're not going to beat any of the WC teams if he plays like this.


Outside game 5, he has shot like shit and turned it over like crazy. Granted he is still doing amazing things passing and rebounding and defending.... but this wasnt a dominant Lebron series, and they are still going to win in 6. Scary.
Wow  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 9:58 pm : link
Brooks, Hinrich, and Noah to start the quarter in an elimination game down 13.

Just no words anymore.
lol  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 10:00 pm : link
I cant express enough how much I cant wait for Thibs to be fired.
Just embarrassing right now.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2015 10:01 pm : link
...
Go Rockets  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 10:03 pm : link
I don't have much faith in this game. I was happy they won Game 5 because it showed that they still had pride and heart. But the last 2x they've played in LA, it's been a laugher. I would be so embarrassed if they lost another 20+pt blowout to this Clips team in LA. Atleast fight to the finish, that's all I ask. Show some of that pride you brought in Game 5 and fight through screens and attack the basket.

Huge game in the careers of Harden and Howard, I'd say moreso Harden. He's been solid in this series but I'd love for him to drop a 40+ pt takeover game like he did in Dallas Game 3. The Rockets will need a big performance from the Beard and I hope he delivers. But it's on the whole damn team. Show some heart and win and force a game 7 at home that no one believed was possible.
RE: Go Rockets  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12287427 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I don't have much faith in this game. I was happy they won Game 5 because it showed that they still had pride and heart. But the last 2x they've played in LA, it's been a laugher. I would be so embarrassed if they lost another 20+pt blowout to this Clips team in LA. Atleast fight to the finish, that's all I ask. Show some of that pride you brought in Game 5 and fight through screens and attack the basket.

Huge game in the careers of Harden and Howard, I'd say moreso Harden. He's been solid in this series but I'd love for him to drop a 40+ pt takeover game like he did in Dallas Game 3. The Rockets will need a big performance from the Beard and I hope he delivers. But it's on the whole damn team. Show some heart and win and force a game 7 at home that no one believed was possible.


Wish the game started earlier. I need to stay up and see good basketball.

Whatever Thibs does, do not put Rose back in the game. The only thing that can happen is he will get hurt.
don't worry  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 10:06 pm : link
you haven't missed good basketball if you've missed that HOU-LAC series.

Just awful and mainly due to the Hack-A stuff. But also because all the games outside of one has been a blowout.

Hopefully this one is a classic.
Hinrich and Noah combined to play  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 10:07 pm : link
50 minutes and took 2 shots total. I wonder why the Bulls cant score when they are in the game together. Its playing 5-3 with no room for Butler or Rose to drive.
In hte last 6 Cavs shots  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 10:10 pm : link
Hinrichs guy has gotten 4 offensive rebounds.
I'm enjoying the hell out of  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 10:10 pm : link
watching LeBron and a bunch of scrubs shit all over the Bulls when you have idiots like chris r saying LeBron can't win without a team full of all stars.
RE: I'm enjoying the hell out of  
dep026 : 5/14/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12287437 MookGiants said:
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watching LeBron and a bunch of scrubs shit all over the Bulls when you have idiots like chris r saying LeBron can't win without a team full of all stars.


Lebron outcoached Thibs big time this series. He said, I am going to play like shit cause it doesnt matter against a Thibs-led team.
Unbelievable at home..  
Vin R : 5/14/2015 10:17 pm : link
With the season on the line
LeBron's hairline is one of the most mystifying things in sports.  
arcarsenal : 5/14/2015 10:25 pm : link
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RE: LeBron's hairline is one of the most mystifying things in sports.  
Arcanum : 5/14/2015 10:45 pm : link
In comment 12287445 arcarsenal said:
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Hahahahaha it's like, it's been rejuvenated
awful start  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 10:46 pm : link
come the fuck on Rockets.
this is why  
MookGiants : 5/14/2015 11:48 pm : link
the hack a whatever needs to go.

I'm not staying up for the 2nd half of this game because I know what's going to happen. If I thought it would be entertaining without this nonsense, I'd stay up and watch the entire thing. Instead im not going to give it a chance, and I would bet i'm not in the minority on that either
yea that was a great half of ball  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/14/2015 11:52 pm : link
until that Hack-A-Shit. But with the way Dwight is shooting FTs, I don't blame the Clips for using that strategy. It clearly changed the momentum at the end of the game.

64-62 Clips at the Half. Blake playing like the MVP. He's really been amazing.

Good effort by the Rockets but it's been the 2nd half against the Clips where they've been blown out. They have to keep playing their game and keep it close heading into the 4th.
not looking good  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 12:27 am : link
sigh

Come on Harden.
3 straight fucking blowout losses at LA  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 12:30 am : link
just pathetic. Grow some balls and make a comeback.

Griffin is just stupid good.
Osi is talking to himself again  
Vin R : 5/15/2015 12:34 am : link
:)
what up Vin  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 12:44 am : link
atleast the Rockets cut it to 13. Just a tiny bit of hope left. Come on, do it.
haha it's getting good now!  
Vin R : 5/15/2015 1:01 am : link
.
Bulls were very hard to watch all season  
chris r : 5/15/2015 1:07 am : link
probably the hardest season to watch since those horrible post dynasty, pre Scott Skiles years.
whoa!  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 1:13 am : link
What happened? When I got on this train not 15 minutes ago, the Rockets were down by 20 ish.
If the Clippers lose tonight  
Vin R : 5/15/2015 1:15 am : link
They'll lose game 7 in Houston
so fill me in here  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 1:28 am : link
is this a collapse of historic proportions? are the Clippers players walking off the court in total disbelief and dismay? can we stick a fork in them? Do
splooge  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 1:30 am : link
damn that felt good. One of my favorite playoff wins in a long time in any sport. Maybe since our Super Bowl.

Wow, I'm speechless. Down 19 on the road in an eliminaton game in a building where you've been blown out twice... and you outscore the Clippers by 30+ over the last 12-14 mins?

Holy shit that was awesome. That was a total team effort. Josh Smith was amazing, made so many big shots in that 4th quarter. Josh won that game for us, thank God he's a Rocket (never though I'd say that). Corey Brewer and Terry and Ariza all played well. Dwight was a MAN down low, totally overpowered DeAndre in this game. Did it all with Harden on the bench too (great call by McHale).

That was nuts. On to Game 7. The Clips are more than capable of winning this game, but the Rockets have all the momentum and the home crowd. They'll need a stronger performance from Harden but damn I'm feeling good right now.

Josh Smith!!!!!!!!!!
RE: so fill me in here  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 1:34 am : link
In comment 12287526 santacruzom said:
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is this a collapse of historic proportions? are the Clippers players walking off the court in total disbelief and dismay? can we stick a fork in them? Do


EPIC chokejob. One of the most pathetic displays I've ever seen from a team on the brink of a series win.

They thought the game was over once they went up almost 20. Because the last 2 times that happened, the Rockets players quit. But this time the team really fought hard to cut that lead from 19 to 12 by the end of the 3rd. And then that 4th quarter the Clippers played like a bunch of pussies when Josh Smith started rolling. They had no idea what hit them.

But the Clippers just took down the Champion Spurs after being down 3-2. They've also won a bunch of Game 7s over the years. They are very much capable of bouncing back and winning this game. But the Rockets should be the favorites and I think they'll get it done.
Congrats Osi  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 1:51 am : link
I can imagine what it must have been like to watch that unfold.
Jesus Christ  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 1:53 am : link
These ads make BBI nearly unreadable on a phone.
Holy shit Osi  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 8:06 am : link
You must be on cloud 9. 1 more win would just be something. Never imagined this series going 7.
Congrats Osi  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2015 12:23 pm : link
Amazing win for your team.
it was nice  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 1:34 pm : link
I'm glad that this team showed pride.

But it's on to Game 7. You have to take advantage of the momentum and home crowd. The Clips are a battle-tested bunch that's going to be ready.
with horford and milsap getting healthy  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2015 7:18 pm : link
i would not sleep on the hawks in the next round- Atlanta can play a small lineup--- and if they shoot the ball well they can cause some problems

matt deladova is not going to bury 3 pointers all playoffs- he will get eaten up by shroeder.
What time is Game 7 on Sunday...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2015 7:20 pm : link
?
depends on this GS-MEM game tonight  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 7:30 pm : link
Clippers are actually -2pt favorites for Game 7 right now

Can't remember the last time the Home Team was the underdog in Game 7. The Rockets have just been getting disrespected all year and I hope they finish the job on Sunday.

Rooting for Memphis at the Grindhouse tonight. I want a Game 7 in that series. Hopefully Tony Allen provides a positive spark.
Who matches up better against Cleveland?  
jdf : 5/15/2015 8:57 pm : link
Atlanta or the Wizards? I'd have to say Atlanta has a better chance to give them a series, with the home court advantage and a deeper bench. I just don't see who on Washington could even do a semi-decent job of guarding Lebron.
RE: Who matches up better against Cleveland?  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12288590 jdf said:
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Atlanta or the Wizards? I'd have to say Atlanta has a better chance to give them a series, with the home court advantage and a deeper bench. I just don't see who on Washington could even do a semi-decent job of guarding Lebron.


Atlanta. Schoerder is better than anything the Wiz have off the bench. Carroll can guard Lebron better than anyone on the Wiz. Pierce is too old and slow. Porter is to weak.
Problem with Atlantsa  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:19 pm : link
is their inexperience in these games will kill them against Lebron. They had the Wiz buried so many times this series, and the Wiz always make a run.

That foul on Teague was fucking AWFUL. The ball landed in his hands. It looked like Scott Foster who called it, and he flat out sucks as an official.
who the hell is this color commentator?  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:26 pm : link
He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.
deladova  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2015 9:29 pm : link
will not make it passed half court with schroeder guarding him.
JR smith will get lost guarding korver around screens.
Atlanta's biggest weakness is on the glass and Cleveland is not a big team.
This will be the series atlanta does miss sefalosha. as basemore doesnt have the experience to guard lebron off the bench to spell caroll.
RE: who the hell is this color commentator?  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12288619 santacruzom said:
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He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.


pj carlesimo
RE: deladova  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12288622 hitdog42 said:
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will not make it passed half court with schroeder guarding him.
JR smith will get lost guarding korver around screens.
Atlanta's biggest weakness is on the glass and Cleveland is not a big team.
This will be the series atlanta does miss sefalosha. as basemore doesnt have the experience to guard lebron off the bench to spell caroll.


Good point with Thabo.

Milsap will also give Thompson problems on offense. Lebron will probably have to guard Milsap alot which means more wear and tear on his body.
RE: who the hell is this color commentator?  
MookGiants : 5/15/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12288619 santacruzom said:
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He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.


Did you know that he was actually from Scranton? If not hilarious
RE: who the hell is this color commentator?  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12288619 santacruzom said:
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He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.


What the hell is wrong with Scranton? Us Northeast PA folks are good people. haha
RE: RE: who the hell is this color commentator?  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12288629 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12288619 santacruzom said:


Quote:


He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.



Did you know that he was actually from Scranton? If not hilarious


No way... Seriously?

He sounds like he should be covering local semipro wrestling.
Foul  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:34 pm : link
here.
RE: RE: who the hell is this color commentator?  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:34 pm : link
In comment 12288624 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 12288619 santacruzom said:


Quote:


He sounds like a midnight AM sports radio host in Scranton or something.



pj carlesimo


That's PJ? Wow!

Maybe Spree's choke damaged his vocal chords.
un  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
Believable.
Just poor coaching  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
you got to foul there.

thats no go. But they will count it.
may be  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
Too late!
That's verrrrry  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
Close. Ball might be in his hand.
that's  
MookGiants : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
as close as you will ever see.

I think its still in his hand
That shot's late.  
Mad Mike : 5/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
It won't count.
You do have to foul  
MookGiants : 5/15/2015 9:36 pm : link
under 5 seconds when the other team doesnt have a timeout
Looks like he didn't get it off in time  
bxgiants4 : 5/15/2015 9:36 pm : link
Big time bail out for Atlantas shitty call not to foul
RE: You do have to foul  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:37 pm : link
In comment 12288643 MookGiants said:
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under 5 seconds when the other team doesnt have a timeout


They got lucky. When Wall was dribbling the ball around, I thought holy shit, this is ideal. But it worked out either way.
fuck you pierce  
MookGiants : 5/15/2015 9:37 pm : link
douche.

Someone should go up to him and say "series, series, series"
Well Paul  
hitdog42 : 5/15/2015 9:37 pm : link
you hit some clutch shots... but you advanced as far as you did last year with the Nets... you lost to the same team the Nets did in the same amount of games.... and after your sh%t talking... well... fk you and enjoy the offseason.
in the nba  
MookGiants : 5/15/2015 9:38 pm : link
i never foul if the other team has a timeout, because losing in regulation is very realistic at that point with the advancement of the ball.

If they dont have a timeout, have to foul.
Demare Carroll  
dep026 : 5/15/2015 9:38 pm : link
wont be doing many inspirational speeches. Holy shit. Tyson sounds better than him... haha
I'm drinking  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:44 pm : link
Every time they say the word "grind" tonight.
man  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:44 pm : link
That crowd sounds asleep.
this game  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 9:51 pm : link
Somehow doesn't feel like a game six.
uh oh  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 11:15 pm : link
The old Warriors habit of getting raped by whistles is rearing its head again
those Iggy threes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/15/2015 11:42 pm : link
were daggers. Memphis just doesn't have the firepower to fight with the Warriors. Dubs looking good with 6 mins left.
Harrison Barnes  
santacruzom : 5/15/2015 11:55 pm : link
Has become quite the playoff performer.

Curry is only four boards from a triple double.
man, being a Warriors fan feels great these days  
santacruzom : 5/16/2015 12:08 am : link
Yeah, they're awesome. But they're also classy and have great sportsmanship. All of their coaches seem like genuinely good guys who have a lot of respect for their colleagues around the league. Their front office seems really cool too, though their owner can say some pretty douchey things from time to time.
RE: man, being a Warriors fan feels great these days  
jdf : 5/16/2015 3:13 am : link
In comment 12288763 santacruzom said:
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Yeah, they're awesome. But they're also classy and have great sportsmanship. All of their coaches seem like genuinely good guys who have a lot of respect for their colleagues around the league. Their front office seems really cool too, though their owner can say some pretty douchey things from time to time.


I couldn't agree more, santacruzom, they're a really fun team to root for. Doesn't seem like they have a lot of huge egos, either, or at least they're not on display. A lot of it comes from Steph, who comes across as pretty humble, or at least laid back.
Good luck today Osi..  
Sean : 5/16/2015 9:28 am : link
really looking forward to today's game 7.
RE: Good luck today Osi..  
MookGiants : 5/16/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12288827 Sean said:
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really looking forward to today's game 7.


You're going to have to wait until tomorrow for game 7, Sean. 330 tomorrow
Ha thanks Mook..  
Sean : 5/16/2015 1:38 pm : link
I misread that.
I'm expecting a heartbreaking L  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/16/2015 6:47 pm : link
the Clippers are just more battle-tested than the Rockets. They've been through several 7-game Wars over the years. Sure the Home team has an 80% record at Game 7s, but these Clips already took down a tough as nails Memphis squad on the road in a Game 7 a few years back and are coming off of a heavyweight title fight 7 game series vs. the Spurs where they won on the road.

But hopefully the Rockets continue to defy expectations and take care of business at home. After that Game 6, I can't count out anything involving this team. Harden can't no-show in this game and Dwight needs to outclass DeAndre like he did in Game 6, but more importantly the role players need to carry over that Game 6 confidence and play big in front of the home crowd.
I'd put $ on the Clips  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 11:03 am : link
But that Game 6 loss was such a collapse that I think it might carry over today.

I'll be rooting for Houston.
good luck osi  
dep026 : 5/17/2015 11:18 am : link
Good time for harden to drop 40 in a win.
I think LA matches up better against  
xman : 5/17/2015 11:41 am : link
GS
i think  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 11:52 am : link
both get crushed by Golden State.

Memphis or San Antonio were the worst matchups for GS. Memphis needed to win game 4 and GS answered the bell and kicked their teeth in.
biggest Rockets game of this millenium  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 12:52 pm : link
Hopefully the boys aren't feeling content after the Game 6 performance. That Game 6 comeback will just be a sidenote if they lose this Game 7 at home, I'd hate to see that happen.

Just do it.
RE: biggest Rockets game of this millenium  
Sgrcts : 5/17/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12289923 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Hopefully the boys aren't feeling content after the Game 6 performance. That Game 6 comeback will just be a sidenote if they lose this Game 7 at home, I'd hate to see that happen.

Just do it.


I think either way they end up a footnote to a Warriors final appearance. Having said that, considering how many injuries they've had, I'd bet the Rockets have a good off season and are even better next season.
I'll worry about GS  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 1:05 pm : link
if they get there. But the Clippers have been the toughest matchup for the Rockets in the entire NBA the past few years and here they are.
obviously this game is far from over  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 4:14 pm : link
But this would be simply devastating for the Clips if this continues this way. A particularly somber entry in their encyclopedia of misery.
Clippers  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 4:16 pm : link
Way too sloppy.
RE: I think LA matches up better against  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 4:17 pm : link
In comment 12289865 xman said:
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GS


That's normally true, but if Houston advances I'll be worried about how confident and resilient they must be after such a reversal.
they can be whatever they want to be  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 4:20 pm : link
as far as confidence, but it's not going to matter, GS is simply much better and will kick their ass
That is just a horrendous call  
SimpleMan : 5/17/2015 4:58 pm : link
Come on now.
it's weird  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 5:00 pm : link
How James Harden can make JJ Reddick look like an elite defender at times.
Prigioni  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 5:13 pm : link
Looks like he should be in a barbershop quartet.
this is pretty nuts  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 5:29 pm : link
Remember how unfathomable a Rockets series win seemed just a week ago?
it's not over  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 5:49 pm : link
But it's over.

Congrats Osi, see you guys on Tuesday.
Loving  
dep026 : 5/17/2015 5:49 pm : link
every moment of this.
Same forearm LeBron wasn't called for  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 5:52 pm : link
weird...
That said glad to see this  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2015 5:52 pm : link
don't like either team but I can't really stomach the clippers.
come now Clips  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 6:01 pm : link
Don't fight it. Let the loss course through your veins like anesthetic.
That should be 2 shots and the ball  
dep026 : 5/17/2015 6:08 pm : link
Paul cant jump on the back of a guy before it hits the rim.
Lots of time left  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 6:08 pm : link
.
Former Knicks having a good  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 6:10 pm : link
Postseason.
RE: Lots of time left  
santacruzom : 5/17/2015 6:11 pm : link
In comment 12290135 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Indeed... The Rockets should be able to stretch the lead back to where it belongs.
This one is over  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 6:13 pm : link
.
Congrats  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 6:17 pm : link
Osi.

Horrible, horrible series loss for Clippers. Type of loss that defines the franchise for awhile.
The Clippers will always be the Clippers..  
Sean : 5/17/2015 6:20 pm : link
what a collapse.
great comeback by the Rockets  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 6:23 pm : link
but this series for the most part has been unwatchable. The only game worth keeping on in the 4th quarter was game 6. These playoffs have been full of blowouts, hopefully that changes in the conference finals.
If I'm a Clippers fan, I'm sick right now.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 6:25 pm : link
To be up 19 points at home with 2 minutes & change left in the 3rd quarter of a game you win & advance only to lose...gut-wrenching.

I'm so proud of this team  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 6:35 pm : link
they never gave up. This was a total team effort.

So many critics predicted that the Rockets would collapse this season after losing Lin, Parsons, and Asik. So many people claimed that Harden and Howard would be exposed as team leaders this year. So many people called them a "regular season team" when they were killing it in the regular season. All I gotta say to those people... how my ass taste?

3-1 comeback including a legendary Game 6 performance. That was so friggin' satisfying.

On to Golden State. I know they swept us 4-0 this year but the last time we played them was in January and the team was dealing with injury issues. They haven't seen THIS Rockets team. I'd still be shocked if the Rockets won that series but they definitely have a puncher's chance. You can never count out this Rockets team and it makes me so happy to write that.

CP3 is an amazing player and he'll get shit for not advancing past the 2nd round. It must kill him to watch Steph Curry win an MVP and get to the Conf. Finals when Paul's been going after those two accomplishments for a decade now. But this series collapse wasn't on Paul, it wasn't on Griffin. It was on the Clippers' pathetic bench and frankly it was on Doc Rivers. First coach to blow multiple 3-1 series leads. Last time you couldn't blame him too much because it was McGrady and a bunch of bums against a Chapionship caliber Pistons team, but this time there are no such excuses. Blowing this series should forever be a black mark on Doc's resume. I still consider him a great coach but this was a pathetic performance by that team and he should be getting the majority of the blame.

Thank you Rockets. Let's win a title.
love this quote from Matt Barnes before Game 5  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 6:42 pm : link
"Houston is mentally where we were maybe at the beginning of this season and for sure last season. Very talented but we didn't stay the course. That was always our problem. We couldn't stay locked in for a series or for a whole game. Closeout games are always the toughest but we know this is the time to get them right now. We need some rest"

Matt Barnes is trash and I'm so happy the Rockets made him eat shit in this series.

So damn satisfied right now.
we'll  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 6:54 pm : link
see how your ass tastes after this round. They had a great comeback this round but they played against a clippers team who can never win a damn thing and a Mavs team with nothing left.

I'd be stunned if they got more than a game in the next round
I called Golden State  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 7:01 pm : link
the best sports team since the '07 Pats just a week or so ago.

I know what the Rockets are up against. But the Rockets are no pushover. They won 56 games despite tons of injuries to important players. If this Rockets team had even decent luck regarding health, they would've won 60 games easily. You can't count out a team that good against anybody, even a team that actually won 67 games.
The Warriors were punched in the mouth..  
Sean : 5/17/2015 7:11 pm : link
by Memphis and they responded.
seems like 97% of the public  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2015 7:14 pm : link
is already picking Golden State. As opposed to the 87% who picked the Clippers to win the Rockets series. I love being the dogs.

I don't expect to beat the Warriors. They're an all-time great team. But the Rockets aren't the team with the pressure heading into this series. That would be Golden State and maybe their lack of experience finally shows up with a Finals appearance on the line. One can only hope.
Warriors in 6  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2015 7:20 pm : link
I like both teams, so I'm just hoping for some good games.
WCF's is going to be entertaining as hell!  
David in LA : 5/17/2015 7:26 pm : link
two of the top MVP candidates squaring up head to head, and both teams play a entertaining, and fast paced style. Howard will silence a lot of critics if he beats up on Bogut and Draymont, and keep Curry out of the lane.
Howard took a shit  
dep026 : 5/17/2015 7:30 pm : link
on Deandre and Blake this series.

RE: Howard took a shit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/17/2015 7:52 pm : link
In comment 12290185 dep026 said:
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on Deandre and Blake this series.


I wouldn't go that far. Blake averaged 27/12/5 on 55% shooting in the series. In game 7, JJ Reddick looked too frightened to shoot or even handle the ball.

Anyway, fuck the Clippers. Blake Griffin is pretty much the only guy I don't hate on that team.
Clippers might get blown up  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 9:03 am : link
and I will love every second of it. Deandre is a free agent, there is talks Griffin is going to be traded to Portland. Paul will be another year old and another year more of a crybaby.

Seeing them choke last night was just great. Hopefully we wont see those die hard clip fans for another 20 years.

Dwight going for close to 18/14 and 2 blocks per game while shooting nearly 60% from the floor in just 33 minutes of game time. Dominating.
I would say Dwight outplayed DeAndre  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/18/2015 1:01 pm : link
but I don't think he dominated him outside of Game 6. Overall I do think Dwight proved that he was clearly better than DeAndre, but DeAndre held his own. DJ has the reach advantage over Dwight, I've never seen someone go over the top of Dwight for boards as consistently as DJ. But Dwight is definitely the stronger individual and out-muscled DeAndre at times. Dwight is also the more agile player and that really shows up on D where DeAndre's "defensive range" is more limited than Dwight's.

Blake was probably the best player in this series. But you can definitely see the flaws in his game. He's still not a good defender and he just runs out of gas at the end of games too often. And Blake really struggled going up against Dwight, he seems to struggle against those stronger than him. Great player though, definitely in the Top 10 and maybe the Top 5.

Dep, I don't think KWALL is a band-wagoner. I remember him back in the day as Elton Brand's biggest fan. He made a post about how Brand was Duncan and KG's equal (I never forgot this because KWALL also said Palmer was equal or superior to Peyton/Brady, those two opinions were so similar). For those brief periods in time, he really wasn't THAT wrong. Although I'd say Palmer had a better argument than Brand imo.
EB was their caliber  
hitdog42 : 5/18/2015 1:09 pm : link
for 1 game only... and I took him 4th overall in the fantasy draft and he broke his foot the next game... fail.
Come on Osi  
KWALL2 : 5/18/2015 1:15 pm : link
Griffin was CLEARLY the best player in this series. When the PG went down he filled the role. His defense is also much better than most believe. ALthough letting Harden walk in for that dunk yesterday was a head scratcher. He should have knocked him on his ass.

The thing I don't like about him is watching him settle for outside shots when he has inferior athletes guarding him (Like Diaw). I get it when there is a guy like Howard giving him space for the shot but he should just kick the hell out of inferior players and he doesn't do it enough (especially late in games).

He has some issues with length when he gets near the basket. This is where the short arms become an issue. But his game has evolved tremendously. He's a tough matchup for any player in the league.

He's made a lot of progress over the years. One of the best in the league. I'd put him in the top 5 right now.

I go back to the Danny Manning days with the Clippers.

I hate Dwight Howard more than ever. Bastard!

And Carson Palmer was destined for greatness before that SOB on the Steelers took that cheap shot at his knees!
Redick  
KWALL2 : 5/18/2015 1:17 pm : link
was brutal in game 7. He just handed the ball to HOU several times. He played like the ball was on fire and couldn't wait to get it out of his hands. Some awful unforced TOs.
I can't hate on Blake  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/18/2015 1:27 pm : link
he's the closest thing the league has seen to Prime Charles Barkley. There are times when he looks like the absolute best player in basketball.

7.6 Boards in the Reg. Season vs. 12.7 in the Playoffs

Blake's declining rebound rate in the regular season is really the one thing that I hate. He should be loading up on 10+ board games even with DeAndre on his team. If he can return to that level next year, I think he could make a real run at the MVP. He used to be all power, but now he seems to be too much finesse. If he ever finds the right balance he could be unstoppable.

And yea, Palmer is definitely one of the big "what-ifs" from the last decade. Still having a respectable career.
RE: I would say Dwight outplayed DeAndre  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12290892 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Dep, I don't think KWALL is a band-wagoner.


Yeah, KWALL isn't a bandwagoner. I remember seeing him post on NBA threads quite often when MOM was still here, and I remember some debates back then between the two, particularly centered around Shawn Marion of all people.

You can't use the infrequency of his posts on freakin' BBI NBA complaintfests as some sort of barometer to gauge his loyalty to an NBA team.
RE: I can't hate on Blake  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12290937 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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he's the closest thing the league has seen to Prime Charles Barkley. There are times when he looks like the absolute best player in basketball.


I'm a little disappointed the Warriors aren't facing the Clips simply because they're the rival to be more passionate about after last years' playoffs and the general animosity between the two teams. After seeing two series of admirable sportsmanship, I kind of wanted a series with some genuine bad blood.

But I'm damn glad the Warriors don't have to face Blake Griffin.
RE: RE: I would say Dwight outplayed DeAndre  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12291021 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12290892 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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Dep, I don't think KWALL is a band-wagoner.



Yeah, KWALL isn't a bandwagoner. I remember seeing him post on NBA threads quite often when MOM was still here, and I remember some debates back then between the two, particularly centered around Shawn Marion of all people.

You can't use the infrequency of his posts on freakin' BBI NBA complaintfests as some sort of barometer to gauge his loyalty to an NBA team.


I have a lot of posts on these threads for years in regard to the NBA than I do about the Bulls. So if you think my only contribution to this thread is to complain about the Bulls, you are mistaken.

All I know is that he came to this thread talking shit on Dwight and complaining about calls that went agaisnt the Clippers in game 5. Then have the audacity to call out posters who said the Clippers got some gift calls in game 6/7 of the first round. Seems like he is the type of guy who can dish it out but cant take it.
Tony kornheiser  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 5:34 pm : link
Just said on PTI that McHale deserves a lot of praise for the 3-1 comeback. No problems there. Then he said he is the only coach left to win a title.

Ugh. No he isnt.
RE: RE: I would say Dwight outplayed DeAndre  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/18/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12291021 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12290892 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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Dep, I don't think KWALL is a band-wagoner.



Yeah, KWALL isn't a bandwagoner. I remember seeing him post on NBA threads quite often when MOM was still here, and I remember some debates back then between the two, particularly centered around Shawn Marion of all people.

You can't use the infrequency of his posts on freakin' BBI NBA complaintfests as some sort of barometer to gauge his loyalty to an NBA team.


Exactly
RE: seems like 97% of the public  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 8:30 pm : link
In comment 12290170 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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is already picking Golden State. As opposed to the 87% who picked the Clippers to win the Rockets series. I love being the dogs.

I don't expect to beat the Warriors. They're an all-time great team. But the Rockets aren't the team with the pressure heading into this series. That would be Golden State and maybe their lack of experience finally shows up with a Finals appearance on the line. One can only hope.


aside from Dwight Howard, the thing that scares me the most in this series is the inevitable huge disparity in free throw attempts. the Warriors don't get to the free throw line very often, but their opponents sure as hell do. I'm fully expecting some games where the Rockets shoot 40 free throws and the Warriors shoot 15.
Golden state  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 8:33 pm : link
might be better off giving Dwight a few layups than fouling him. Because you dont want to be in the bonus and Harden drawing fouls away from the basket.

RE: Golden state  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12291688 dep026 said:
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might be better off giving Dwight a few layups than fouling him. Because you dont want to be in the bonus and Harden drawing fouls away from the basket.


Oh the Rockets will be in the bonus. The Warriors' opponents are always in the bonus.

There's got to be some stat page that shows teams' free throw disparities. There's no way the Warriors weren't one of the worst teams in the league in that category.
RE: RE: Golden state  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12291989 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12291688 dep026 said:


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might be better off giving Dwight a few layups than fouling him. Because you dont want to be in the bonus and Harden drawing fouls away from the basket.




Oh the Rockets will be in the bonus. The Warriors' opponents are always in the bonus.

There's got to be some stat page that shows teams' free throw disparities. There's no way the Warriors weren't one of the worst teams in the league in that category.


28th in the league. Opponents shot 3.7 more free throws per game. Only the Knicks and Magic were worse.
RE: RE: RE: Golden state  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 10:26 pm : link
In comment 12292000 dep026 said:
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In comment 12291989 santacruzom said:


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In comment 12291688 dep026 said:


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might be better off giving Dwight a few layups than fouling him. Because you dont want to be in the bonus and Harden drawing fouls away from the basket.




Oh the Rockets will be in the bonus. The Warriors' opponents are always in the bonus.

There's got to be some stat page that shows teams' free throw disparities. There's no way the Warriors weren't one of the worst teams in the league in that category.



28th in the league. Opponents shot 3.7 more free throws per game. Only the Knicks and Magic were worse.


Nice work. Did you find that on nba.com? I find that page to be the most confusing thing on the internet.
No on yahoo  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 10:32 pm : link
Didnt want to hit reply again, because then we would fill the page. Here's the link....
Free throw attempt differential - ( New Window )
GS  
dep026 : 5/18/2015 10:35 pm : link
makes an insane 4.6 shots per game more than the other team. The next closest is LAC at 3, then a few teams at 2shots per game. That may not seem like a lot, but it truly is a lot over 82 games.

They also shoot the three ball at a 6% higher clip than their opposition. Next highest...3.9

RE: GS  
santacruzom : 5/18/2015 11:03 pm : link
In comment 12292111 dep026 said:
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makes an insane 4.6 shots per game more than the other team.


That's just one of those stats that sheds a light into just how good their defense really is. I'd say that 4 Warriors games out of 5, there will be a prolonged stretch where the other team might be lucky just to get a freaking shot off.
Rockets need to split the first two  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/19/2015 1:36 pm : link
otheriwse the series is over imo. And Game 1 is going to be their best chance at it. Rockets need to keep fighting through screens and working hard on D. Curry is going to get his but the Rockets need to limit Klay and the rest.

The Rockets also need to dominate the paint. It's the one area they have a clear advantage in this series. Dwight will need to be a man in the middle and thoroughly outplay Bogut. I want to see a lot of Smith/Harden-Howard PnRs in this series. And hopefully the bench guys come through. Harden needs to atleast match Curry in terms of impact, which will be hard to do because he's going up against much better individual defenders than Steph.

Can't wait for this one, the Rockets need to keep fighting and claw their way to atleast 1 win in these first 2 games.
RE: Rockets need to split the first two  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12292896 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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The Rockets also need to dominate the paint. It's the one area they have a clear advantage in this series.


I still think the Rockets most clear advantage will be at the line: they'll be there, and the Warriors won't. Even at home the Warriors tend not to get to the line as much as they send folks there. I smell foul trouble early and often, and it's a good thing they're deep.
I'm absolutely loving the disrespect the Rockets  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/19/2015 2:13 pm : link
are getting from the media. Those fuckheads slept on us alll year and instead of admitting their mistake, they're just doubling down.

I'm geniunely pissed at the way the Rockets are being treated by the media right now. That epic comeback against the Clippers is 100% because the Clippers choked, and had nothing to do with the superior mental toughness of the Rockets. They called Dwight and Harden dogs for their entire careers, yet they don't give them any credit for the 3-1 comeback and getting to the WCF?

I want this series so damn bad. Every single person is predicting GSW in 4 or 5. I hope the Rockets take that to heart and play angry and focused.
RE: I'm absolutely loving the disrespect the Rockets  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12292975 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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are getting from the media.


And I'm kind of fearing the adoration the Warriors are getting. It just doesn't seem right.
it's probably safe  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 4:05 pm : link
for me to assume that a lot of people on this thread read Zach Lowe columns, right? But just in case:
Conference Finals Previews - ( New Window )
I was just reading it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/19/2015 4:12 pm : link
good stuff as usual. Another Warriors in 5 prediction.
the one thing I take issue with is this:  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 4:34 pm : link
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Howard might be able to coax Bogut into foul trouble


What does he mean "might?" Bogut and/or Draymond will be in foul trouble! Not to keep beating this drum, but for supposedly elite team the Warriors are still not exactly one with an advantage when it comes to fouls often.
It's great how this thread has just become  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/19/2015 4:43 pm : link
Osi playing the underdog while santa tries to anti-jinx this series much as humanly possible.

I think the Warriors are going to skullfuck the Rockets, personally.
Yeah  
dep026 : 5/19/2015 4:57 pm : link
You 2 need to act like scorned lovers, bitter enemies. This is for the finals!!!!!
RE: It's great how this thread has just become  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 5:24 pm : link
In comment 12293239 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I think the Warriors are going to skullfuck the Rockets, personally.


That's the word I used! And ultimately I still think it, but I'm just trying to go on record as someone who called it if the Warriors get totally out-freethrowed.
Ummm  
dep026 : 5/19/2015 9:15 pm : link
stepping on a guys foot is not a reason to give a guy two free throws. Harden stepped on Thompson's foot and Harden got 2 shots. Wow.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 5/19/2015 9:15 pm : link
that was roughly 38 steps that harden took
ball movement by the warriors  
hitdog42 : 5/19/2015 9:18 pm : link
is pretty awesome.
Well that escalated quickley.  
dep026 : 5/19/2015 10:06 pm : link
Dont like Curry pulling up for 3 on a 2-1. Take the layup and the lead.
How has mchale  
UConn4523 : 5/19/2015 10:07 pm : link
not called a TO here?
I have to say  
santacruzom : 5/19/2015 11:37 pm : link
I like the relaxed feeling that comes from watching your team when they're awesome. I hope the Giants can give it to me sometime again soon.
Pissed that Dwight got hurt  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/20/2015 1:21 pm : link
the Rockets win that game if he's playing. Harden was spectacular and Ariza is such a great guy to have on your side. Sucks that the Rockets wasted the performance of those 2 in this one.

Need to win Game 2. Hopefully Dwight is healthy. If he is, I feel much better about the Rockets chances in this series than I did 24 hours ago. The Rockets have a clear advantage when it comes to interior athleticism and that's going to allow them to win the "In the Paint" battle.

The Warriors won by 4 despite Dwight being hurt, Livingston having his best game of the season, and a lot of calls going their way. Rockets have to be feeling good. A W is a W and an L is an L, but there is a difference between a valiant Loss and a pathetic one from a confidence standpoint.

People who say Harden is unwatchable, go watch that 2nd half. He relies on FTs and foul drawing a lot but the dude doesn't need to live at the line to dominate and he proved that last night. He's the best ISO scorer in the game right now and put on a show to keep the Rockets in it. Forget unwatchable, when he's rolling with his shot like that there are very few more entertaining players to watch in the league. 28/11/9 with 4 steals (and good D), a line that hasn't been matched in the playoffs since MJ did it in '89! And Steph Curry was sensational himself with 34 points and clutch baskets down the stretch. Great MVP duel in this one, Rockets will need Harden to keep that up and Howard to get healthy to win this series.
Steph Curry fined $5000  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/20/2015 2:59 pm : link
for flopping. Video linked below. There was light contact by Terrence Jones, but Curry's landing motion is what drew the fine. If the NBA really wants to stamp out all forms of exaggerated reactions, then I can support that. But given how infrequently the NBA fines flopping, this seems like a strange play to fine. He doesn't bark at the ref or even glance at the ref to get a call. He just gets up and back on defense. I've heard that he does that intentionally to avoid landing on someone and messing up his ankles.

Meanwhile JFK Harden hasn't been fined for flopping since November 2013.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2015/05/20/curry-flop-fine.nba/ - ( New Window )
one of the worst fine calls i have ever seen  
hitdog42 : 5/20/2015 7:15 pm : link
it wasnt a flop... as a shooter and in the air on transition you jump for the shot and if you feel potential contact you may adjust your natural motion.... it made him fall --- at NO POINT did he look at the refs, act like he got hit, look for a foul.... none of it. its just pathetic. really really pathetic.
terrible fine - they need to take it back.
he does it all the time  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/20/2015 7:37 pm : link
but so do Harden and Westbrook and a host of others. I agree it's a weird fine. But that was definitely a little more theatrical than the typical post-Jumper fall. I think it's just a warning shot by the league because of how many potential 4pt plays Curry could be involved with if the refs buy his falls.

I can't hate on him at all though. Great player.

Draymond and Bogut on the other hand, dirty Mofos. Bogut could be called for a foul on every screen he sets and Draymond is an old school throwback style of dirty. He tried to punk Ariza last night but Ariza is nobody's bitch. I'm so happy this team has Ariza instead of Parsons. Morey da Gawd.
I dunno  
santacruzom : 5/20/2015 7:40 pm : link
To us it always appears as though the refs don't really like the Warriors very much, so this isn't very stunning.
Cavs role players  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 8:58 pm : link
keeping this close and closing the gap with Lebron on the bench. Imagine if they didnt trade love and jsut started Thompson the whole time? And have Wiggins play the 2?

But hten again, they may not have been spoon fed Smith and Shumeprt for nothing.
Would love for LBJ to always regret trading Wiggins  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/20/2015 9:03 pm : link
For the sure thing. Feel bad for Cleveland but I don't want them ever winning a championship with LBJ taking them there.
If they are going to call that push off on by Korver  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 9:06 pm : link
then Lebron and Kyrie will be fouled out by half. They lead every drive with their forearm.
Jr Smith  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 9:11 pm : link
accomplishing more the last 5 games than he has his whole career.
Thanks Knocks, nuggets and league  
chris r : 5/20/2015 9:11 pm : link
For gifting LeBron another championship opportunity.
The Knicks  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 9:12 pm : link
made Smith and Shumpert available over the off-season. Blame the rest of the league, not the Knicks. No one wanted JR Smith.
Jeff Teague is  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 9:19 pm : link
doing what Rose should have been doing all series to Kyrie and Delladova.
Should we also  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 9:20 pm : link
thank the Trail Blazers for gifting the Bulls 6 titles?
also  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 9:22 pm : link
the Supersonics, can't forget them trading Pippen for Polynice.

Lbj  
chris r : 5/20/2015 9:24 pm : link
Just took like 3 steps on that rebound. No call of course.
chris r  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 9:37 pm : link
did you find the gif of Dunleavy yet? Been waiting for you to post it
The continuation rule  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 9:55 pm : link
has to be eliminated. Its becoming a fucking joke. Guys are now allowed 3 steps after they get fouled.
Hmmmm  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:06 pm : link
Milsap gets a forearm to the chest and he is the one called for a moving screen and then gets t'd.

Thats pretty pathetic.
And here is my problem  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:08 pm : link
with star treatment. Milsap gets a T for arguing a call and Lebron doesnt for clearly showing up the official by slapping his and about 5 times.

And now they call a handcheck 50 feet away from the basket. This is pitiful.
Oh wow  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:16 pm : link
NBA not helping their cause this game. This was nowhere near a block.

Lebron James  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:17 pm : link
has committed 5 fouls the last 4 possessions. Not one called.
Game  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:28 pm : link
and most likely series.
Fucking jr  
ADeP7 : 5/20/2015 10:31 pm : link
Such a piece of shit
Too add insult  
dep026 : 5/20/2015 10:43 pm : link
to injury..... Demare Carroll probably just tore his ACL. This has sweep written all over it.
reading some of these posts  
santacruzom : 5/21/2015 2:46 am : link
You'd think the Cavs' big three is comprised of Smith, Mozgov and Shumpert.
RE: reading some of these posts  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 6:31 am : link
In comment 12295880 santacruzom said:
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You'd think the Cavs' big three is comprised of Smith, Mozgov and Shumpert.


They have played really well though.
Former Knicks have had a huge impact this postseason-  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2015 6:36 am : link
Smith, Shumpert, Ariza.
RE: Former Knicks have had a huge impact this postseason-  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 8:07 am : link
In comment 12295908 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Smith, Shumpert, Ariza.


Mozgov
RE: RE: reading some of these posts  
santacruzom : 5/21/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12295905 dep026 said:
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In comment 12295880 santacruzom said:


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You'd think the Cavs' big three is comprised of Smith, Mozgov and Shumpert.



They have played really well though.


Right, but when people talk about how it's ludicrously fortunate that the Cavs wound up with them on their team, they make it sound as though all three were coveted, franchise-elevating NBA power players who were funneled toward the Cavs at the expense of all other 29 teams.

Maybe they all now have the benefit of playing with a guy who can help accentuate their strengths and diminish their weaknesses, and if it hadn't been them it could've been other players, and then some people would be saying, "Oh, how nice of the league to give ________ and ________ to the Cavs, amirite?!"
RE: RE: RE: reading some of these posts  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12296296 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12295880 santacruzom said:


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You'd think the Cavs' big three is comprised of Smith, Mozgov and Shumpert.



They have played really well though.



Right, but when people talk about how it's ludicrously fortunate that the Cavs wound up with them on their team, they make it sound as though all three were coveted, franchise-elevating NBA power players who were funneled toward the Cavs at the expense of all other 29 teams.

Maybe they all now have the benefit of playing with a guy who can help accentuate their strengths and diminish their weaknesses, and if it hadn't been them it could've been other players, and then some people would be saying, "Oh, how nice of the league to give ________ and ________ to the Cavs, amirite?!"


Normally I would agree with you 100%, but they actully have done it without Lebron in the lineup. There have been times now when Lebron goes to the bench, they extend the lead or maintain it. Its crazy.

My opinion is that Lebron makes them better, but they are playing a bit over their head. Whats happening is that they dont do it every game. But one game its Mozgov/Smith, then the next game is Delladova/Jones.
ALL NBA teams announced  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 1:19 pm : link
1st team:
Lebron, Curry, Harden, Davis, M. Gasol

2nd team:
Westbrook, Paul, Aldridge, Gasol, Cousins

3rd team:
Irving, Thompson, Griffin, Duncan, Aldridge

Only qualms I have would be no John Wall or Jimmy Butler.
==========  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 1:22 pm : link
odd timing on that gif  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 1:30 pm : link
considering how awesome it was to watch Harden in the last game. He put Klay Thompson in a blender.
haha,  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 1:34 pm : link
nah the timing is that I just happened to come across that randomly. Was posted elsewhere a long time ago I think, but was new and funny to me.
Still though........  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 1:34 pm : link
.
he shoots a lot of FTs  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 1:43 pm : link
I get it. But I'm just so tired of hearing that shit as a Rockets fan. It's like people think all Harden does to score is get to the line. People think that 80% of his points come from the foul line. Dude gets buckets, believe that. Best ISO scorer/playmaker in the league now that Kobe's dead, outside of maybe LeBron (but that's debatable).

Hopefully he delivers a big game tonight because they'll need him with Dwight banged up.
I hate some players on your team, though I like you.  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 1:49 pm : link
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Kobe's dead


But you better watch yourself, son.
vacation  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 1:50 pm : link
I meant vacation
he'll be back  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 1:55 pm : link
Lakers actually project to be a fun team to watch next year. A lot of 120-110 games on the horizon with that D, and Kobe/Randle/Okafor are all going to be exciting on offense.
Will be fun with low expectations.  
GiantFilthy : 5/21/2015 2:03 pm : link
As for tonight's game, I'm not one to ever call a game two as a must win, but if there ever was one for you guys...

He's a total bitch, but it's vital for DH is able to go and be effective.
RE: ALL NBA teams announced  
santacruzom : 5/21/2015 6:12 pm : link
In comment 12296556 dep026 said:
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1st team:
Lebron, Curry, Harden, Davis, M. Gasol

2nd team:
Westbrook, Paul, Aldridge, Gasol, Cousins

3rd team:
Irving, Thompson, Griffin, Duncan, Aldridge

Only qualms I have would be no John Wall or Jimmy Butler.


And Griffin being third team is a little off in my opinion.
RE: RE: ALL NBA teams announced  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 6:18 pm : link
In comment 12297071 santacruzom said:
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1st team:
Lebron, Curry, Harden, Davis, M. Gasol

2nd team:
Westbrook, Paul, Aldridge, Gasol, Cousins

3rd team:
Irving, Thompson, Griffin, Duncan, Aldridge

Only qualms I have would be no John Wall or Jimmy Butler.



And Griffin being third team is a little off in my opinion.


I think his rebounding numbers killed him. 7.6 is way too low for him. And Aldridge made 2nd team. I listed him as 3rd team also but that was Deandre Jordan.

It was tough to put Griffin over Aldridge when Aldridge scored over 2 points and rebounds per game more than him.
Ummm  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 9:33 pm : link
you may want to guard Curry.
not looking good  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 9:46 pm : link
Rockets need to cut into this by halftime.
Rockets  
MookGiants : 5/21/2015 9:54 pm : link
and Hawks have zero chance to win these series. Not even worth watching. Wake me up for the finals
Amazing half  
hitdog42 : 5/21/2015 10:08 pm : link
Bummer mook missed it
what an effort to get back into the game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 10:11 pm : link
Warriors were up by 17 and there was a real party vibe coming on in the Oracle. Can't believe they fought back to tie it at the half.

James Harden is amazing. All the haters can eff off.
very impressive  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/21/2015 10:34 pm : link
how quickly the Rockets came back. Harden/Howard is a dream duo for a team that likes to utilize spacing in the offensive set. But, man, is Dwight Howard's career frustrating. It just seems he should be able to replicate his highs far more often than he does.
The bad Josh Smith  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 10:35 pm : link
came tonight.
wow  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/21/2015 10:46 pm : link
that was as brutal call.
that may go down  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 10:47 pm : link
As the worst charge call in the history of the game.
crazy ending  
dep026 : 5/21/2015 11:38 pm : link
Gotta get a shot off.
what an awful ending  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 11:39 pm : link
to an amazing game. McHale absolutely should've called a TO. Harden played unreal, too bad he couldn't get a shot off at the end.
Down 2-0  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/21/2015 11:42 pm : link
but the Rockets could've easily won both games. They've gotta be feeling good about their chances of winning at Oracle later in the series. Just gotta protect homecourt. Easier said than done.
RE: what an awful ending  
Meats and Cheeses : 5/21/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12297272 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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to an amazing game. McHale absolutely should've called a TO. Harden played unreal, too bad he couldn't get a shot off at the end.


7 seconds left, the ball in your best player's hand in transition and you blame McHale for not calling a timeout? He'd be murdered if actually did call a timeout and they lost. You couldn't be more wrong. Harden gave up the ball instead of being aggressive and going to the basket. That's what cost them the game.
RE: that may go down  
santacruzom : 5/21/2015 11:52 pm : link
In comment 12297248 dep026 said:
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As the worst charge call in the history of the game.


It might not even go down as the worst charge call in the history of the Warriors!
Warriors look meh  
chris r : 5/21/2015 11:59 pm : link
Rockets aren't even that good. They need a second playmaker to go with Harden. Fortunately for GS, its a down year for the league.
Meats  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/22/2015 12:00 am : link
You could argue either way.

The way Harden was killing it in the halfcourt, I absolutely would've called TO and set up a play. I don't trust the refs to call the foul on a fastbreak Harden layup attempt, I'd rather he have the balls in his hands in the half-court in a more structured setting with the game on the line.

He definitely made a mistake by kicking it out to Howard, but I think he was expecting a 3pt shooter instead of Dwight at the 3pt line. Really sucks that it came at the end of an awesome performance. He just has to grow from this.
RE: what an awful ending  
santacruzom : 5/22/2015 12:20 am : link
In comment 12297272 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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to an amazing game. McHale absolutely should've called a TO. Harden played unreal, too bad he couldn't get a shot off at the end.


That was definitely a frightening performance by Harden there... I actually thought he'd pull it off after that Barnes miss.
when I saw Harden  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/22/2015 12:29 am : link
with the ball on that last play, I thought he was good to score or get to the line. I was surprised to see him pass it up to Dwight so quickly, and when he got the ball back, the trap came quickly. Harden had a fantastic game, otherwise.
santacruz  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/22/2015 12:30 am : link
I see ou comment often that the refs don't like Golden State but I just haven't seen that at all this season. I try to watch GS whenever they play a national game, and I think they get a fair shake from the refs.
RE: santacruz  
santacruzom : 5/22/2015 12:38 am : link
In comment 12297289 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I see ou comment often that the refs don't like Golden State but I just haven't seen that at all this season. I try to watch GS whenever they play a national game, and I think they get a fair shake from the refs.


Yeah, I'm mostly kidding. I actually think that the reason they don't get to the line nearly as much as their opponents is because a lot of their scoring simply comes from open shots or drives with no defender even in position to foul.

That "charge" did suck though.
I think coach did the right thing not calling a timeout there.  
GiantFilthy : 5/22/2015 8:16 am : link
You have to get a shot off though. Osi probably got a shitty night of sleep.
RE: I think coach did the right thing not calling a timeout there.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/22/2015 8:18 am : link
In comment 12297332 GiantFilthy said:
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You have to get a shot off though. Osi probably got a shitty night of sleep.


He actually surprisingly slept well from what I can tell.
RE: RE: I think coach did the right thing not calling a timeout there.  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 8:26 am : link
In comment 12297335 BrettNYG10 said:
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You have to get a shot off though. Osi probably got a shitty night of sleep.



He actually surprisingly slept well from what I can tell.


creeper.....
Most of us only sleep as well as Brett allows.  
GiantFilthy : 5/22/2015 8:31 am : link
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Brett... no comment  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/22/2015 1:26 pm : link
yea that sucked. Rockets are right there though, just gotta win Game 3 and get back in it.

But James Harden has played like Oscar Robertson and Klay Thompson has played like a JAG, and the Warriors are still up 2-0. I don't expect Harden to shoot like this all series, so the fact that the Rockets couldn't steal these games with him playing out of his mind really hurts. And I also get the feeling that Klay is due for a night where he drops 30 and splashes in 5+ threes. There's no way the Rockets can win with Klay being a better player than Harden, and Klay is good enough to have 1 or 2 games in this series where he can be that guy.
RE: Brett... no comment  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12297761 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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yea that sucked. Rockets are right there though, just gotta win Game 3 and get back in it.

But James Harden has played like Oscar Robertson and Klay Thompson has played like a JAG, and the Warriors are still up 2-0. I don't expect Harden to shoot like this all series, so the fact that the Rockets couldn't steal these games with him playing out of his mind really hurts. And I also get the feeling that Klay is due for a night where he drops 30 and splashes in 5+ threes. There's no way the Rockets can win with Klay being a better player than Harden, and Klay is good enough to have 1 or 2 games in this series where he can be that guy.


I think the Rockets are better off starting Brewer over Terry. Brewer is the best person to guard Curry. Let Harden play the Lebron role of point-everything.

RE: Brett... no comment  
santacruzom : 5/22/2015 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12297761 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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yea that sucked. Rockets are right there though, just gotta win Game 3 and get back in it.


Yeah, I probably dismissed the Rockets too much. I mean, it's almost as if the top 2 teams in an extremely difficult conference are playing each other, and that's something I guess I kind of forgot about.

Aside from Curry, the Warriors have benefited from essentially unexpected contributors in both games. You're right about Klay... he'll probably have at least one game where he drops 30+. He's always been a fairly streaky guy that way.
dep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/22/2015 2:38 pm : link
I think that's the best lineup for the Rockets, but Brewer provides such a spark from the bench that you have to keep him there.

So I'd keep the starting lineup but I do think Brewer should be in the Closing Lineup.
This may  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 9:07 pm : link
be a sweep.
the Hawks are pathetic  
chris r : 5/22/2015 9:08 pm : link
this is the year LeBron was vulnerable and the East just craps the bed. Disappointing.
LeBron takes three steps in the post every single  
chris r : 5/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
Time.
the nets played the hawks even  
hitdog42 : 5/22/2015 9:37 pm : link
for the entire series except game 6.
Teams are going to have to realize  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 9:38 pm : link
that you cant leave shooters. They havent missed in 2 series now. Let lebron go for 40-45 and stay home on shooters.
I just dont get it  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 9:59 pm : link
these guys arent going to miss. Your giving the cavs exactly what they want by tripling lebron.
The Russian just travelled too  
chris r : 5/22/2015 10:00 pm : link
What's the point of having a rule and not enforcing it?
The Hawks  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 10:05 pm : link
are the worst number 1 seed I have ever seen. And how did this guy get coach of the year?
RE: The Hawks  
chris r : 5/22/2015 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12298481 dep026 said:
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are the worst number 1 seed I have ever seen. And how did this guy get coach of the year?


For getting the number 1 seed with that squad. He was totally deserving.
No offense santa and osi  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 10:21 pm : link
but your teams are playing for 2nd place.
Just cancel the last two games  
dep026 : 5/22/2015 10:25 pm : link
carroll, korver, now Horford?

Maybe they can do a round robin between the last 3 teams.
the Warriors  
MookGiants : 5/22/2015 11:15 pm : link
aren't playing for 2nd place. If Kyrie isn't healthy, the Cavs are not beating the Warriors.
Cavs wouldn't stand a chance against any  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/23/2015 3:34 pm : link
of the top 6 WC teams without Kyrie either. They need him healthy to even think about beating GS. And even with him, they'd still probably be the 7th best team in the West.

IMO, it's looking like another LeBron Finals Loss on his resume and that's unfortunately going to be a part of his Legacy. Rooting for him to go HAM and win if they play GS.

I really hope the Rockets win tonight. I have a feeling they'll get a lot of 50/50 calls their way because the NBA desperately need HOU-GSW to be a 6/7 game series. But I'm worried that the Rockets are going to lose this one. James Harden can't possibly keep up his level of play from the first two games, and Klay is going to have an 18 pt half at some point in this series. This Rockets team has so much heart and fight but I have the feeling that their season ends tonight. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
Korver out  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2015 3:50 pm : link
for the rest of the playoffs. Tough break for Atlanta.
if cleveland  
MookGiants : 5/23/2015 3:56 pm : link
is smart, they sit kyrie rest of this series. They can beat them 2 of the next 5 easily even without him.
RE: Cavs wouldn't stand a chance against any  
dep026 : 5/23/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12298867 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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of the top 6 WC teams without Kyrie either. They need him healthy to even think about beating GS. And even with him, they'd still probably be the 7th best team in the West.

IMO, it's looking like another LeBron Finals Loss on his resume and that's unfortunately going to be a part of his Legacy. Rooting for him to go HAM and win if they play GS.

I really hope the Rockets win tonight. I have a feeling they'll get a lot of 50/50 calls their way because the NBA desperately need HOU-GSW to be a 6/7 game series. But I'm worried that the Rockets are going to lose this one. James Harden can't possibly keep up his level of play from the first two games, and Klay is going to have an 18 pt half at some point in this series. This Rockets team has so much heart and fight but I have the feeling that their season ends tonight. Hopefully they prove me wrong.


You're underestimating the power of lebron. Golden state doesn't have anyone who can guard him (Barnes would start on him and I don't think green is quick enough). If these role players continue this torrid shooting, they can best anyone. And they have 2 excellent rim protectors now. With thompson, mozgov, shump, delly and lebron.... they have 5 guys who can defend.

I would never discount a team that has the best player in it.
Golden State is so much better  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/23/2015 4:41 pm : link
it's not even funny. You know basketball dude, but you're 100% wrong on this one. Golden State would murder a Kyrie-less Cavs squad. And even if he's healthy I'd still choose the Warriors.
RE: Golden State is so much better  
dep026 : 5/23/2015 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12298921 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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it's not even funny. You know basketball dude, but you're 100% wrong on this one. Golden State would murder a Kyrie-less Cavs squad. And even if he's healthy I'd still choose the Warriors.


I gotta believe Kyrie is playing in the finals. Like Mook said, keep him out until then. Cleveland should win the next two no problem.

And of course since I am picking the Cavs, guys like Shump, Delly, and Smith will stop making shots left and right and turn back to their normal selves.

But could you imagine if Cleeveland never traded Wiggins? My goodness.
RE: Golden State is so much better  
dep026 : 5/23/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12298921 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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it's not even funny. You know basketball dude, but you're 100% wrong on this one. Golden State would murder a Kyrie-less Cavs squad. And even if he's healthy I'd still choose the Warriors.


And trust me I am not discounting GS. But man, the Cavs are making things look way too easy. I knew they were the best team in the east, but they have been scary good lately.

Rooting for your team tonight. Want to see a good series as I think we all know the East is all said and done.
I have a bad feeling about tonight  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/23/2015 6:53 pm : link
it would be awesome for the NBA in general if the Rockets won. Huge game in Houston. Hope they bring it.
I don't think  
MookGiants : 5/23/2015 8:09 pm : link
Golden State is "so much" better. They are better, but even they have looked vulnerable against teams who don't have LeBron James playing for them. LeBron will win a couple games in that series.
RE: RE: Golden State is so much better  
Audible : 5/23/2015 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12298933 dep026 said:
I gotta believe Kyrie is playing in the finals. Like Mook said, keep him out until then. Cleveland should win the next two no problem.

And of course since I am picking the Cavs, guys like Shump, Delly, and Smith will stop making shots left and right and turn back to their normal selves.

But could you imagine if Cleeveland never traded Wiggins? My goodness. [/quote]

The real question is which GM is worse, LeBron or Doc Rivers?
Curry travelled before getting fouled  
chris r : 5/23/2015 10:00 pm : link
NBA is borderline unwatchable with the awful officiating.
RE: RE: Cavs wouldn't stand a chance against any  
chris r : 5/23/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12298914 dep026 said:
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of the top 6 WC teams without Kyrie either. They need him healthy to even think about beating GS. And even with him, they'd still probably be the 7th best team in the West.

IMO, it's looking like another LeBron Finals Loss on his resume and that's unfortunately going to be a part of his Legacy. Rooting for him to go HAM and win if they play GS.

I really hope the Rockets win tonight. I have a feeling they'll get a lot of 50/50 calls their way because the NBA desperately need HOU-GSW to be a 6/7 game series. But I'm worried that the Rockets are going to lose this one. James Harden can't possibly keep up his level of play from the first two games, and Klay is going to have an 18 pt half at some point in this series. This Rockets team has so much heart and fight but I have the feeling that their season ends tonight. Hopefully they prove me wrong.



You're underestimating the power of lebron. Golden state doesn't have anyone who can guard him (Barnes would start on him and I don't think green is quick enough). If these role players continue this torrid shooting, they can best anyone. And they have 2 excellent rim protectors now. With thompson, mozgov, shump, delly and lebron.... they have 5 guys who can defend.

I would never discount a team that has the best player in it.


Green is first team defense. He guards LeBron and makes him work.
Green  
MookGiants : 5/23/2015 10:05 pm : link
will foul out guarding LeBron most of the game.
Then Barnes guards Thompson  
dep026 : 5/23/2015 10:08 pm : link
I dont think. Thompson will get every rebound imaginable.

Plus Green cannot check Lebron from the 3 point line.
Wow  
dep026 : 5/23/2015 11:04 pm : link
....
is Stephen Curry  
santacruzom : 5/23/2015 11:38 pm : link
The best player in the league now?
RE: is Stephen Curry  
chris r : 5/23/2015 11:40 pm : link
In comment 12299067 santacruzom said:
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The best player in the league now?


When he's playing against a 37 year old Jason Terry yes.
RE: is Stephen Curry  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/24/2015 12:06 am : link
In comment 12299067 santacruzom said:
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The best player in the league now?


No. I think he's the most exciting player, but Lebron is still the best player and I still don't think it's close.

I think the Warriors are a great team that is extremely well-coached and well structured. The bench is deep with quality players, but they play so well together, even with Steph on the bench. A lot of credit to Kerr. He was smart to go to Golden State and eschew the opportunity with the Knicks.
RE: RE: is Stephen Curry  
santacruzom : 5/24/2015 12:14 am : link
In comment 12299069 chris r said:
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In comment 12299067 santacruzom said:


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The best player in the league now?



When he's playing against a 37 year old Jason Terry yes.


But what about all the games (and minutes against the Rockets) when he isn't playing against Terry and yet he'said still at the top of PPG in the playoffs?
he's a top five player but he's raised his level this series to  
chris r : 5/24/2015 12:25 am : link
top 1 or 2 player and I think that's in large part because Terry can't guard me and doesn't make him work on the other end. Again Curry is great, but this is a very favorable matchup.
RE: is Stephen Curry  
MookGiants : 5/24/2015 2:33 am : link
In comment 12299067 santacruzom said:
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The best player in the league now?


no.
LBJ is still the best in the game  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/24/2015 5:48 am : link
Even with a so so postseason, but Curry isn't that far behind.
RE: is Stephen Curry  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 6:57 am : link
In comment 12299067 santacruzom said:
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The best player in the league now?


Guys like Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Lebron were all the best players in the game because they were just as good defensively as they were offensively. Curry has a way to go defensively. Offensively, he is as good as it gets.
He's made a pretty big leap defensively from where he started  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2015 7:19 am : link
But he'll need a few postseason failures before people start openly criticizing him for things.
& what a no-show from Houston last night  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/24/2015 7:20 am : link
That was pathetic. Show something. Golden State is the superior team, but they're not 35 points better than you.
Curry is unbelievable, a testament that you don't need superior  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/24/2015 8:37 am : link
athleticism to excel in this league. However, I still have a hard time calling a player so reliant on his outside shot the best player in the game. The flow of their offense allows him to get to the rim occasionally, but he's largely an outside shooter. He has an alarming number of 7-for-10 on 3's shooting nights, but the shot isn't always on. Memphis beat GS when he was off the last round.

Russell isn't quite the shooter yet, but he has that same pace and rhythm to his game, is probably already the better passer. I wouldn't be upset if Mudiay shoots up past Russell on draft boards.
GS actually plays basketball  
hitdog42 : 5/24/2015 9:02 am : link
so it makes what Curry does less amazing---- but its not--- the ability to do what he does in the context of real team basketball- is as impressive as anything.
Guys getting 7-8 assists a game because they dribble the ball the entire possession is not as impressive.
Curry being the best shooter then has ever stepped foot on the basketball court is also overlooked--- the fact a team has to stretch and guard him the minute he crosses half court makes the entire offense that more deadly.
He is improving defensively but given his size he is never going to have the impact that the other greats had on that end of the court- that is not his fault that is called genetics.
I wish we could watch the Cavs play a good basketball team so we can properly evaluate everything. We will get to see that in 10 days when the finals starts.
I have been hoping for a  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/24/2015 10:17 am : link
Cavs-Warriors finals the entire time because I like both teams and both coaches. But I think the Warriors are a significantly better team and more importantly, are significantly healthier. Unfortunately, I think this is going to be another situation where LeBron will still catch a ton of flak from the sports-talk circus media for losing in the Finals.
The Cavs are playing caveman basketball right now  
Audible : 5/24/2015 1:00 pm : link
I think in Game 1 they had more ISOs (per SportVU) than any other team in any game this year, regular season or playoffs - LeBron alone had like 18 or some ridiculous number. It's working because the Hawks have been completely robbed of all the tools that would have helped them contain LeBron - no Sefolosha, no healthy Carroll. Golden State is basically the polar opposite- they can rotate a whole host of guys onto LeBron who are all plus defenders, they can switch any pick and roll if the Cavs want to play spread P&R, they have a center who should be able to keep Thompson fro going bananas on the glass... If LeBron wants to play 20th-century basketball in the Finals, we're not going to get to a Game 6.
Lebron James is  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 9:06 pm : link
0-10 in the 2nd quarter, and the Cavs are still winning.
NBA has to suspend Delladova  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 9:26 pm : link
for his antics. He got away with two bullshit moves against Chicago, and now is flopping all over the court this game.

You want this shit to end, then do something about it.
Delladova  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 9:33 pm : link
involved another play. This is not anything flagrant. Just stop. This guy is a f'n clown.
you can't suspend Cleveland's backup PG and  
chris r : 5/24/2015 9:38 pm : link
risk not having LeBron advancing.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 9:39 pm : link
Like I said Santa, you are playing for 2nd place.

I cant defend the NBA anymore. I really cant.
and Atlanta is cooked  
chris r : 5/24/2015 9:39 pm : link
this was the game they needed to come out and dominate.
This Cavs team likes to make little plays  
illmatic : 5/24/2015 9:40 pm : link
like that. It's why the Celtics players got pissed off and Love got hurt because of it. That's a bullshit ejection of Horford though. That's a flagrant 1.
How this shitbird  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 9:42 pm : link
Delladova gets away with nothing time and time again is just said. Blatant armbarm against Butler last series, leglock on Gibson, intentional going after knee on Korver, then going after Horford's ankle here.

If I am a Hawk player, game 4, Lebron is the target.
Atlanta's coach  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 11:08 pm : link
may as well buy a ticket and watch from the stand. 3 horrific possessions in a row and he doesnt call one of his three timeouts.
Last 4 possessions  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 11:12 pm : link
for the Hawks.

ISO
ISO
ISO
ISO

0 points. Why teams go away from the offense in the last two minutes is just stupid.
the 2nd to last  
MookGiants : 5/24/2015 11:13 pm : link
possession was not ISO. Not sure what you were watching, they got the ball right to the rim and the shot got blocked.

They got bailed out by the referee swallowing his whistle when lebron clearly got tripped.
Atlanta  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/24/2015 11:14 pm : link
might be without some tools, Cleveland is also without their 2nd and 3rd best players.
Mike Scott  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 11:28 pm : link
instead of just catching the ball, watches it go out of bounds.

This is right after he shot two horrific threes earlier in the OT.
RE: Atlanta  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 11:29 pm : link
In comment 12299643 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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might be without some tools, Cleveland is also without their 2nd and 3rd best players.


Smith, Shumpert, and Delly have 49 points and 11 threes. And they are a much much better defensive team without those 2 guys.
The finals better be something to watch  
dep026 : 5/24/2015 11:34 pm : link
because this may go down as the worst playoffs in NBA history. I wonder if there was ever a time where both conference finals ended up in sweeps.
RE: RE: Atlanta  
MookGiants : 5/24/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12299652 dep026 said:
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In comment 12299643 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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might be without some tools, Cleveland is also without their 2nd and 3rd best players.



Smith, Shumpert, and Delly have 49 points and 11 threes. And they are a much much better defensive team without those 2 guys.


Are you really trying to act like it's not a big deal to be missing Kyrie and Love?
Delladova needs to get hit..  
Vin R : 5/25/2015 2:18 am : link
Hard
RE: RE: RE: Atlanta  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 6:31 am : link
In comment 12299662 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12299652 dep026 said:


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In comment 12299643 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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might be without some tools, Cleveland is also without their 2nd and 3rd best players.



Smith, Shumpert, and Delly have 49 points and 11 threes. And they are a much much better defensive team without those 2 guys.



Are you really trying to act like it's not a big deal to be missing Kyrie and Love?


It hasn't been so far. Thompsons defense and rebounding is superior to loves. And they have gotten awesome shooting performances from guus like shump, smith, and jones.

They haven't needed irving but will need him for the finals, but Delladova is a much better defender than kyrie. Plus with these two out, you are seeing what lebron can do as the point forward. As long as jones, delladova, smith, and shump continue to shoot the way they are.....they will be fine. They are on the verge of winning 7 in a row in the eastern semis and finals without those 2 basically.
agree with Dep  
hitdog42 : 5/25/2015 7:59 am : link
that against the crappy east having the better D has made their path easier. No easy looks for teams, it has put Lebron in the post more instead of force feeding Love--- more freedom for the guys making the 3s to have green light and confidence.

against a good team it will be a massive detriment as talent and teamwork have to be offset by talent on the other end.

but with Love and Kyrie i dont think this series is 3-0 to start.
I could maybe see it with Love  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 12:55 pm : link
but absolutely not with Kyrie. There is no argument to be made that they are better off without Kyrie.
RE: I could maybe see it with Love  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12299817 MookGiants said:
[quote] but absolutely not with Kyrie. There is no argument to be made that they are better off without Kyrie. [/quote

I dont think we are saying they are better without them, jsut not that they arent missing him. Now when they play GS, yeah they will need him - but they are cruising right now. If Kyrie can play in the finals at 80-85% and Shumpert, Jones, Delladova, Smith shoot like Allen, Bird, Kerr, and Reggie Miller - Ill give them a helluva shot to beat GS.
if they have Kyrie healthy  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 1:08 pm : link
last night the game isn't even close.

They are a much better team when they have a healthy Kyrie, something they haven't had basically all playoffs.

I could see the argument for Love. Not for Kyrie
I dont know if its been said  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 4:10 pm : link
but Skiles looks to be the next Magic coach. Not a bad hiring. Always been a good defensive guy. I know a lot of us thought Thibs would be their guy, but there is a standoff between the two sides.

The Bulls wont fire him until all the openings have been filled (supposedly the Bulls have a deal in place with Hoiberg), unless Thibs agrees to waive whatever money is owed to him if fired.

Lets just leave it that Foreman and Thibs wont miss each other when this is all said and done.
RE: I dont know if its been said  
Audible : 5/25/2015 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12299940 dep026 said:
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but Skiles looks to be the next Magic coach. Not a bad hiring. Always been a good defensive guy. I know a lot of us thought Thibs would be their guy, but there is a standoff between the two sides.

The Bulls wont fire him until all the openings have been filled (supposedly the Bulls have a deal in place with Hoiberg), unless Thibs agrees to waive whatever money is owed to him if fired.

Lets just leave it that Foreman and Thibs wont miss each other when this is all said and done.


Skiles isn't a bad hire considering how young the Magic are and how much they need their young guys to develop. He's a good choice if the intent is to establish a hard-working culture and build defensive instincts, and then replace him in a couple years when he wears out his welcome.
die with honor  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 9:18 pm : link
all I ask. Win this fucking game.
What a 1st quarter for Houston  
SimpleMan : 5/25/2015 9:36 pm : link
Jesus Christ, 45 points.
Joey Crawford misses a call  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 9:45 pm : link
T's a player who screamed and-1.

Why the fuck is this guy allowed to officiate?
T was on Livingston  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 9:48 pm : link
but Draymond yells and curses about as much as any player I've seen. I really hope LeBron shuts his ass up in the next round. I respect Draymond, the type of player you'd love on your team. But he's not on my team and I hate that dirty little shit.
RE: T was on Livingston  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12300178 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Draymond yells and curses about as much as any player I've seen. I really hope LeBron shuts his ass up in the next round. I respect Draymond, the type of player you'd love on your team. But he's not on my team and I hate that dirty little shit.


No T was served. I hate Joey Crawford though. Glad his old ass fell.
RE: die with honor  
Audible : 5/25/2015 9:54 pm : link
In comment 12300148 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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all I ask. Win this fucking game.


More like die with swag, am I right?

... dammit I really wish I could come up with a better 'Swag Champs on 3' joke.
Good god  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 9:55 pm : link
that looked awful. Hoping for the best.
hope he's ok  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 9:56 pm : link
.
not only do you  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 10:02 pm : link
worry about a concussion but the way he landed on his right arm was rough too.

I'd hate for this to be serious. Steph Curry is the truth. Hoping we see him back out there asap.
the crowd  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 10:06 pm : link
is just completely out of it now. I expected that little mini-run with Curry out. Now it's up to the Rockets to respond and get a healthier lead by halftime. Come on, don't get phased now because Curry got hurt.

Less Josh Smith now.
that's  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 10:37 pm : link
a flagrant two
Swung at his face  
illmatic : 5/25/2015 10:38 pm : link
Have to eject Dwight for that. Especially if Horford gets ejected for falling on a guy.
So of course he gets a flagrant one  
illmatic : 5/25/2015 10:38 pm : link
LOL. Fuck this league. So ridiculous.
that's  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 10:38 pm : link
absurd. Based on the rule book that is a flagrant two.
What a joke  
dep026 : 5/25/2015 10:40 pm : link
Nba officials have been a disgrace this postseason.
that play  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 10:45 pm : link
right there by Harden is exactly why I can't fucking stand him.

He created all of the contact, Green goes straight up, Harden flops to the floor like he was shot and gets the foul called
and now  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 10:47 pm : link
they call a T on Kerr after they completely blew the initial call.

Fuck James Harden. By far the least enjoyable "superstar" to watch in the league.
I don't mind that being a flagrant one  
Audible : 5/25/2015 10:50 pm : link
but I've always been of the mind that flagrant two should be limited to actions where there is a clear intent to injure - there should be no universe where Horford gets ejected last night and Howard doesn't get ejected tonight.

Completely agree with JVG's suggestion that flagrant foul reviews should be done remotely by an official at the league office.
You can't karate chop a guy's face like that  
illmatic : 5/25/2015 10:53 pm : link
and not get ejected. That's never a flagrant one, it's a flagrant two. Clear intent to swing at his face and it looked like it connected, even if it wasn't a hard hit. The refs in the NBA are just atrocious. Something needs to be done about it but nothing will ever happen.
Klay needed to go for 30 this  
chris r : 5/25/2015 10:54 pm : link
game.
RE: You can't karate chop a guy's face like that  
Audible : 5/25/2015 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12300229 illmatic said:
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and not get ejected. That's never a flagrant one, it's a flagrant two. Clear intent to swing at his face and it looked like it connected, even if it wasn't a hard hit. The refs in the NBA are just atrocious. Something needs to be done about it but nothing will ever happen.


Oh, there's no question it's a flagrant two per the rulebook - it's unnecessary and excessive, case closed. I just don't like the way the flagrant foul rules are worded, because most of the unnecessary contact that qualifies as a flagrant one can be construed as excessive to some degree.

These Steve Javie segments make Mike Pereira sound like an Emmy-award broadcaster by comparison.
RE: and now  
Audible : 5/25/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12300226 MookGiants said:
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they call a T on Kerr after they completely blew the initial call.

Fuck James Harden. By far the least enjoyable "superstar" to watch in the league.


My favorite  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 11:33 pm : link
is when they say Harden is "hard to officiate"

It's a nice way of calling him a flopping bitch.
NBA officials are just so fucking awful every  
chris r : 5/25/2015 11:34 pm : link
Single game. How was that a foul on Green?
I don't think anyone  
JayBinQueens : 5/25/2015 11:36 pm : link
Expected GS to sweep.
Missing curry for a quarter and coming back from a big early deficit, things could have been worse tonight for them
Harden with the big play in the clutch  
chris r : 5/25/2015 11:40 pm : link
Down 3-0.
lol yea  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 11:47 pm : link
like he wasn't hitting absurd shots all night. Harden is awesome to watch besides the foul drawing, but most of his fouls are legit.

Awesome game from him. He's left no doubt this season that he's one of the best players in the game. Too bad he fumbled away Game 2 otherwise this could've been a hell of a series. Glad they didn't get swept, just gotta keep fighting.
I'll defend Harden hard  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/26/2015 12:24 am : link
after what I've seen him do for nearly 100 games this year. I've truly come to love him as a player. I really wasn't sold on him until this year. Last year I had doubts about him that can probably be seen buried somewhere in that 2014 NBA season thread. But the growth that he has shown as a player and leader this season is incredible. So proud of what he has accomplished this year, and the arrow is still pointing up with him.

Dwight on the otherhand. He is such a fucking idiot. He should've been tossed in this game and that could've cost us the season. Dwight is 29 now with 12 years of experience yet the guy still plays stupid and emotional out there. He is still probably the best Center in the league when he's healthy. But he really is a dummy that's tough to defend as a fan from a mental standpoint.
I have a hard time imagining a Harden led team winning a ring  
chris r : 5/26/2015 2:30 am : link
he's just so apathetic on defense, and your best player has to buy into championship level defensive effort.
Harden's greatness manifested itself  
santacruzom : 5/26/2015 12:32 pm : link
last night by transforming into a terrifying player. You know that feeling -- your team is gradually chipping away at a lead (or trying to expand their own), and yet you're almost 100% certain that the terrifying player will prove insurmountable. That three he hit over Thompson's good defense to bring the lead back to 12 or so late in the game... we knew that was going to happen.
RE: I have a hard time imagining a Harden led team winning a ring  
giantsfan44ab : 5/26/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12300277 chris r said:
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he's just so apathetic on defense, and your best player has to buy into championship level defensive effort.


Dirk? If you build a good defensive team around a proper offensive talent it doesn't matter how bad individually they are.

Heck curry is probably one of the worst individual guards that start in the NBA, although he does have nifty hands and can anticipate passes pretty well.

But I don't think of Harden as a "proper" offensive talent. Its been beaten to death but you aren't going to get those foul calls in the playoffs. For dominating the ball and passing well, he still is not a true point. He milks the clock to get his own possession and passes as a last resort.

Thats good when his shot is going in and he is drawing doubles. He knows where the open man will be. Its bad when his shot is not going in like the other night when he went 1 for 9. For as many 40 point games he has, there are a fair share of middling performances. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship caliber roster.
RE: RE: I have a hard time imagining a Harden led team winning a ring  
santacruzom : 5/26/2015 5:42 pm : link
In comment 12301024 giantsfan44ab said:
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Heck curry is probably one of the worst individual guards that start in the NBA, although he does have nifty hands and can anticipate passes pretty well.


This is the same kind of lingering preconceived notion as, "The Warriors are bad on defense." Neither is true anymore.
The playoffs have been pretty damn embarrassing outside of a few  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/26/2015 10:57 pm : link
individual games and the entire Clip-Spurs series.
RE: The playoffs have been pretty damn embarrassing outside of a few  
spike : 5/26/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12301836 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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individual games and the entire Clip-Spurs series.


NHL Playoffs >>> NBA playoffs
lol @ the hawks  
chris r : 5/26/2015 11:15 pm : link
.
LeBron - 5 straight trips to the Finals.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/26/2015 11:22 pm : link
First player since Bill Russell. Damn.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 11:51 pm : link
put a bunch of stiffs on his back to the NBA finals.

He'll need Irving healthy to win it, but what a player.

Meanwhile Chris R still thinks this Cavs team is stacked.
RE: LeBron  
MetsAreBack : 5/27/2015 12:28 am : link
In comment 12301906 MookGiants said:
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put a bunch of stiffs on his back to the NBA finals.

He'll need Irving healthy to win it, but what a player.

Meanwhile Chris R still thinks this Cavs team is stacked.



As awesome as Lebron is, how many times does he go to the Finals in the past 5 years if he played in the West? Two maybe? Not a knock on Lebron - its a knock on how putrid the East is.
RE: LeBron  
chris r : 5/27/2015 12:37 am : link
In comment 12301906 MookGiants said:
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put a bunch of stiffs on his back to the NBA finals.

He'll need Irving healthy to win it, but what a player.

Meanwhile Chris R still thinks this Cavs team is stacked.


Nice random scarecrow call out Mook. Glad to see I'm on your mind.

LeBron just lead his team through the weakest the weakest conference has been in years. Hurrah?
RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time imagining a Harden led team winning a ring  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12301165 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12301024 giantsfan44ab said:


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Heck curry is probably one of the worst individual guards that start in the NBA, although he does have nifty hands and can anticipate passes pretty well.



This is the same kind of lingering preconceived notion as, "The Warriors are bad on defense." Neither is true anymore.


Not really. Just because Kerr implemented a good team defense does not make Curry a good individual defender. The Knicks had a top 10 D when Chandler was healthy a few years ago, that did not make Felton and Melo good defenders.

GS has 2 current all defensive team players (Green and Bogut), one former all defensive team player (Iggy), and multiple great individual defenders (Thompson, Barnes, Ezeli).
I dont want to sound like a broken record....  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:05 am : link
But now with Kyrie back and getting a weeks rest, I see the Cavs winning in 6. Lebron is still the best player in the planet. His role players are believing in themselves. Their defense has been awesome this playoffs.

I know GS is far and away the best opponent that they will play, but Cleveland made what was suppose to be a better East look silly. They are playing the best basketball in the NBA right now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I have a hard time imagining a Harden led team winning a ring  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12302016



Not really. Just because Kerr implemented a good team defense does not make Curry a good individual defender. [/quote]

Likewise, just because Curry is a skinny player who shoots threes doesn't make him a bad defender. He played against a lot of upper-tier point guards this year, which he now guards - they no longer assign that duty to Klay. Let's just say that Curry wasn't exploited by any of them as this glaring, among-worst-in-league defensive liability.
These playoffs  
Metnut : 5/27/2015 9:22 am : link
have been generally subpar, but there's still been a share of good things. (1) Spurs/Clips series (2) Spurs/Clips Game 7 (3) Clips collapse vs Houston, and (4) DRose and Lebron buzzer beaters in back-to-back games. And, we're at least set up for an ideal NBA Finals matchup for neutral fans.
RE: I dont want to sound like a broken record....  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12302027 dep026 said:
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But now with Kyrie back and getting a weeks rest, I see the Cavs winning in 6. Lebron is still the best player in the planet. His role players are believing in themselves. Their defense has been awesome this playoffs.

I know GS is far and away the best opponent that they will play, but Cleveland made what was suppose to be a better East look silly. They are playing the best basketball in the NBA right now.


I sure hope you are right. Its hard to see it, but then again, Lebron James. I'm afraid its going to be a 4 game blowout. Cleveland is just so thin I can just see them getting iced everytime Lebron and Kyrie sit.
Tristan Thompson  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 12:19 pm : link
scares me nearly as much as the LeBron/Kyrie combo. I can see him earning possession after possession with his offensive rebounding, and that ain't no fun -- just more chances for Green and Bogut to foul while the ball's being tapped around the rim.
The Warriors can be punched in the mouth  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 2:58 pm : link
and I think the Cavs with a healthy Kyrie could give them a run for their money if they do two things.

LeBron demoralizes Draymond Green. Curry is the MVP but Green is the leader of that team. GS will put a lot of different wings on LeBron but Green is probably the best physical match. But Green can't guard LeBron.

And as good as Klay is. He's soft and he's a guy who I could see choking on the big stage.

Klay and Draymond are both youngsters who've never felt this kind of pressure before. If those two struggle, the Cavs are going to win. If those two play well like they usually do, they'll beat the Cavs with ease imo.

Just keep fighting Rockets. We need another masterpiece from Harden and this needs to be a game where Dwight really takes over.
RE: The Warriors can be punched in the mouth  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12302889 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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And as good as Klay is. He's soft and he's a guy who I could see choking on the big stage.


I wouldn't say he's soft. I'd just say he's still streaky. This isn't new, and it doesn't appear to be exclusive to playoff or big games -- he'll just as easily hit a 3 game stretch in January where he's shooting below 40% as he will in the playoffs. But it's not like he visibly wilts. He goes down shooting, and he goes down defending.
I think the only guy  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 3:13 pm : link
Who can somewhat contain lebron is Iggy. Barnes and Klay are too small, green is too slow.

But the most important player in the series, outsode curry but it's close, is bogut. He has to be a rim protector and not be in foul trouble all the time.
I know Steph is ready  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 3:14 pm : link
I know Bogut is ready. I know Draymond will be ready (until/unless LeBron owns him).

I just don't know about Klay. Maybe I went a little overboard calling him soft and a choker. But there's something about him that gives me doubt about his ability to respond on the big stage. We'll see.
Its the less popular matchups that give GS the edge  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 3:49 pm : link
Livingston on Dellevadova? Last year, Livingston was the most efficient post player in the NBA. Livingston got like 20 points in the 1st game of the series and scores bunches in small minutes. He has an 8" advantage on Delly. I want to see how that one turns out.

Bogut/Speights/Lee/Ezeli vs Thomspon/Mozgov is another one. Speights is just resting for the finals now but he is going to make a return.

Right now, GS is going small because Houston relies on all of their bigs (howard, jones, smith, capela). GS can just as easily go big against Cleveland for the opposite reason.

Cleveland only has 1 true center-Mozgov. If GS wanted to, they could force Mozgov and Thomspon to play 35+ minutes every game and tire them out.

If Cleveland goes small, they would be playing to GS's strength. No team plays small ball as well as the Warriors do.
RE: Its the less popular matchups that give GS the edge  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12302969 giantsfan44ab said:
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Livingston on Dellevadova? Last year, Livingston was the most efficient post player in the NBA. Livingston got like 20 points in the 1st game of the series and scores bunches in small minutes. He has an 8" advantage on Delly. I want to see how that one turns out.

Bogut/Speights/Lee/Ezeli vs Thomspon/Mozgov is another one. Speights is just resting for the finals now but he is going to make a return.

Right now, GS is going small because Houston relies on all of their bigs (howard, jones, smith, capela). GS can just as easily go big against Cleveland for the opposite reason.

Cleveland only has 1 true center-Mozgov. If GS wanted to, they could force Mozgov and Thomspon to play 35+ minutes every game and tire them out.

If Cleveland goes small, they would be playing to GS's strength. No team plays small ball as well as the Warriors do.


If cleveland goes small, Cavs will have a height advantage and GS still has no one to guard Lebron.
RE: RE: Its the less popular matchups that give GS the edge  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12302980 dep026 said:
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In comment 12302969 giantsfan44ab said:


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Livingston on Dellevadova? Last year, Livingston was the most efficient post player in the NBA. Livingston got like 20 points in the 1st game of the series and scores bunches in small minutes. He has an 8" advantage on Delly. I want to see how that one turns out.

Bogut/Speights/Lee/Ezeli vs Thomspon/Mozgov is another one. Speights is just resting for the finals now but he is going to make a return.

Right now, GS is going small because Houston relies on all of their bigs (howard, jones, smith, capela). GS can just as easily go big against Cleveland for the opposite reason.

Cleveland only has 1 true center-Mozgov. If GS wanted to, they could force Mozgov and Thomspon to play 35+ minutes every game and tire them out.

If Cleveland goes small, they would be playing to GS's strength. No team plays small ball as well as the Warriors do.



If cleveland goes small, Cavs will have a height advantage and GS still has no one to guard Lebron.


Iggy? Thompson? Even Barnes?

Theres only one small Cleveland lineup. GS can play small with about 8 different guys.

Golden State is dictating the matchups in that series. If Cleveland goes small, whats forcing GS to play small as well? They can play Bogut on Thompson. Thompson isn't going to drag Bogut out of the paint. Play Green/Iggy on lebron, Barnes on Shump and Klay/Iggy on JR
Thompson and Barnes  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 4:43 pm : link
have absolutley no prayer to guard Lebron.
The warriors  
hitdog42 : 5/27/2015 5:22 pm : link
Will be a bit more intelligent and bait lebron to shoot- go under screens
The Hawks defensive philosophy has given up a ton of 3pt attempts this year and that bit them in the ass in the first 3 games.

nobody can guard lebron but they have a few guys that they can play 1 on 1 without it being obvious for him to get in the post and will not chase him on the perimeter

The cavs look better then they are because they have played against dog shit- if they beat the Warriors it would erase any/all of the finals fails prior for lebron iny view- if they lose well they should lose
I agree  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 5:28 pm : link
That iggy can check him for a little. I am sure green can do it here and there. But I wouldn't trust Barnes or Klay whatsoever.

You can beat cleveland with lebron being dominant. You can't beat them with their role players getting open looks.

If I am GS. I'd put Klay on smith or Shumpert. Don't let them go off for 4-5 threes. But at the end of the game I'd put Klay on kyrie because of length.

Bogut is the key. He can alter shots when let lebron drives.
RE: Thompson and Barnes  
giantsfan44ab : 5/27/2015 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12303031 dep026 said:
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have absolutley no prayer to guard Lebron.


Jae Crowder also had "no prayer to guard Lebron either". lebron posted 27 PPG and 6.5 assists and 5 TOs a game. Lebron can average 35 and 10 a game and I still don't think it goes past 5 games. I don't think he could get those numbers on Klay even if Klay guarded him every minute of the game. And lets not forget that Green is going to get him the most...
Green  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 5:32 pm : link
is going to foul out of every game if he's on LeBron the most
RE: RE: Thompson and Barnes  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 5:33 pm : link
In comment 12303088 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12303031 dep026 said:


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have absolutley no prayer to guard Lebron.



Jae Crowder also had "no prayer to guard Lebron either". lebron posted 27 PPG and 6.5 assists and 5 TOs a game. Lebron can average 35 and 10 a game and I still don't think it goes past 5 games. I don't think he could get those numbers on Klay even if Klay guarded him every minute of the game. And lets not forget that Green is going to get him the most...


We will see. I think there is onky 2 players in the NBA that can check him for long stretches. He beat one in the quarters and Kawahi is already out.
all this talk  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 5:57 pm : link
of future GS/CLE matchups makes a bit nervous about tonight's game...
RE: I think the only guy  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 5:59 pm : link
In comment 12302918 dep026 said:
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Who can somewhat contain lebron is Iggy. Barnes and Klay are too small, green is too slow.



Barnes is a lot stronger than people think he is.
RE: I know Steph is ready  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 6:01 pm : link
In comment 12302919 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I just don't know about Klay. Maybe I went a little overboard calling him soft and a choker. But there's something about him that gives me doubt about his ability to respond on the big stage. We'll see.


The thing about Klay is that he's primarily a shooter. He's now more able to score in other ways than he was in years past, but still, he's a shooter first and foremost, then capable defender, then everything else. If his outside shot isn't falling I feel like his whole game suffers.
RE: RE: I think the only guy  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 6:02 pm : link
In comment 12303133 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12302918 dep026 said:


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Who can somewhat contain lebron is Iggy. Barnes and Klay are too small, green is too slow.





Barnes is a lot stronger than people think he is.


He's solid no doubt. Just not as strong as lebron. Kawahi is probably the closest to him as far as strengrh.
Barnes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 6:10 pm : link
did a respectable job on ZBo from what I saw. Barnes has always been a talented dude, and physical strength seems to be another asset in his toolbox. Could be the x-factor in the Finals.

Curry's right side is apparently bruised and he will be wearing a sleeve on his right arm I believe. The Rockets have to be physical with him. If I were a Warriors fan, I would be worried about Jason Terry trying some borderline dirty veteran BS on Curry.
Sorry Osi  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:28 pm : link
but I despise watchign Harden. He just literally grabbed Iggy's arm, flailed, and got 3 shots. Nauseating.
RE: I know Steph is ready  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12302919 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I know Bogut is ready. I know Draymond will be ready (until/unless LeBron owns him).

I just don't know about Klay. Maybe I went a little overboard calling him soft and a choker. But there's something about him that gives me doubt about his ability to respond on the big stage. We'll see.


I love Klay's game for the opposite-- I think he shows up every game to contribute even when his shot isn't falling. He reminds me of a great third-down, possession receiver. He is going to run crisp routes all day (crisp motion, coming around curls, etc). He's going to keep the ball moving and give effort on defense. Sure, great defense can take him out of the game, but it has to be earned by the defense and the defense has to think about him all game because he can make it happen at any point. He's not about taking over games with the one big play, but rather, he's a grinder. I do think the one reason that it seems that he can disappear in games is because he isn't one to force things and doesn't have to be a high-volume guy, so sometimes it takes a catalyst for him to be aggressive.
RE: Sorry Osi  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12303468 dep026 said:
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but I despise watchign Harden. He just literally grabbed Iggy's arm, flailed, and got 3 shots. Nauseating.


Haha I knew he'd get called out on that. Literally every great perimeter player in the sport does that. Westbrook and Durant do BS on the perimeter more often than Harden, must be something Brooks taught them.

And I agree, that shit is awful to watch. But he has the sweetest stepback in the league and is the best one on one player in the sport. That part of his game is awesome to watch.
RE: RE: Sorry Osi  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:34 pm : link
In comment 12303473 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 12303468 dep026 said:


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but I despise watchign Harden. He just literally grabbed Iggy's arm, flailed, and got 3 shots. Nauseating.



Haha I knew he'd get called out on that. Literally every great perimeter player in the sport does that. Westbrook and Durant do BS on the perimeter more often than Harden, must be something Brooks taught them.

And I agree, that shit is awful to watch. But he has the sweetest stepback in the league and is the best one on one player in the sport. That part of his game is awesome to watch.


I rather watch the step back, cross over or just stroking it from 3 than the flailing. A missed step back can still be really pretty to watch.
I dislike hardens game too  
chris r : 5/27/2015 9:35 pm : link
But NBA officiating more. It's unbelievably bad every game.
Re: checking Lebron  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 9:35 pm : link
I don' think the Warriors are going to worry about whether they have that one panacea for Lebron. I think they will throw different looks at him all game one-on-one to tire him out but not to leave open threes for his teammates. I think the Warriors are okay if Lebron goes off, so long as it's only the first column of the stat sheet that he dominates. They key for Golden State isn't whether they can stop Lebron from getting to 35-- it's whether they can prevent the rest of the team from getting to 70.

Though it should be noted that this series isn't over yet.
RE: Re: checking Lebron  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:36 pm : link
In comment 12303480 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I don' think the Warriors are going to worry about whether they have that one panacea for Lebron. I think they will throw different looks at him all game one-on-one to tire him out but not to leave open threes for his teammates. I think the Warriors are okay if Lebron goes off, so long as it's only the first column of the stat sheet that he dominates. They key for Golden State isn't whether they can stop Lebron from getting to 35-- it's whether they can prevent the rest of the team from getting to 70.

Though it should be noted that this series isn't over yet.


Hey! I already said that!
just scrolled up  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 9:38 pm : link
and say. Only did a quick look when I posted. I should have quoted your comment, Dep.


On a side note, Tiki Barber should use that Thuzio company to sponsor "playing beer pong with Steph Curry" because I have to imagine he would be absolutely incredible.
RE: I agree  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:38 pm : link
In comment 12303087 dep026 said:
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You can beat cleveland with lebron being dominant. You can't beat them with their role players getting open looks.

If I am GS. I'd put Klay on smith or Shumpert. Don't let them go off for 4-5 threes. But at the end of the game I'd put Klay on kyrie because of length.


Paul trying to steal my thunder!
RE: just scrolled up  
dep026 : 5/27/2015 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12303493 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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and say. Only did a quick look when I posted. I should have quoted your comment, Dep.


On a side note, Tiki Barber should use that Thuzio company to sponsor "playing beer pong with Steph Curry" because I have to imagine he would be absolutely incredible.


I am jsut teasing you. I have been saying this for years about Lebron. His best attribute may be his passing than his scoring. His shooting hasnt been that good these playoffs, but his teammates are banging 3s left and right. I agree 100% with OUR testaments!
Whatever happens from this point on doesn't matter for me  
AnotherGiantsFan : 5/27/2015 9:59 pm : link
I respect the Rockets a hell of a lot more than I did before the post season. This team doesn't lie down and take a beating. They just keep on fighting. Rocket fans must find this team so easy to root for. If nothing else, fans just want a team that has some dog in them.
Curry hits unreal shots nightly  
ThreePoints : 5/27/2015 10:07 pm : link
Just an incredible player to watch.
These calls are absurd  
chris r : 5/27/2015 10:19 pm : link
.
Do they think Harden is Lebron?  
illmatic : 5/27/2015 10:44 pm : link
He's getting every single little call. He's even getting charge calls on defense when it should have been blocking against him. It's crazy. And not enjoyable at all to watch when every trip down the court is a foul call.
Harden  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 10:46 pm : link
is "tough to officiate". Did you somehow forget?
Silly me  
illmatic : 5/27/2015 10:52 pm : link
.
the charge was silly  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 10:58 pm : link
He had only one foot on the floor!
awful game from Harden  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:00 pm : link
yet the Rockets are still in it.
we all knew  
santacruzom : 5/27/2015 11:13 pm : link
There'd be at least one game where the Rockets had at least twice as many FT attempts as GS and this is one of them, but at least the Warriors are hanging on.
lol  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:16 pm : link
at that "jump ball"

Never mind that Jones jumped on his back, he never even had his hands completely on the ball to force a jump ball
wow  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:18 pm : link
hope Klay is ok. He got destroyed on that
Barnes!  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:21 pm : link
nice
should be it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:22 pm : link
need another miracle now
RE: wow  
Anakim : 5/27/2015 11:27 pm : link
In comment 12303559 MookGiants said:
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hope Klay is ok. He got destroyed on that


Ariza has some ups!
wow, the Warriors  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:29 pm : link
have been incredibly lucky that the two head shots to their two star backcourt players over the last two games amounted to nothing serious. It could decimated them. This seems to be their year, health-wise. Typically, they have been hampered by Bogut's injuries as he gives them legitimate defensive presence at the rim and an inside-outside game. This year, thus far, it has just been Speights.
Harden was garbage tonight  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:29 pm : link
they could've easily won this game if he played "just ok" instead of "pathetic".

Amazing how he could throw up a legendary Game 4 and follow it up with this nonsense. Sigh. Rough end to a brilliant season from him.
13 points -- 12 turnovers (NBA record)  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:30 pm : link
just a no-show from Harden tonight. Really dissapointing
surprising game from Harden  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:31 pm : link
I don't even think he was particularly careless so much as a number of great play by Warrior hands.

For a game where the MVP and runner up had off-nights, this still ended up being some very exciting basketball.
I suppose  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:36 pm : link
they missed that one because Ariza is difficult to officiate?
sometimes refs  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:37 pm : link
just miss calls. Players miss shots.
If the NBA had any balls  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:38 pm : link
Howard wouldn't be playing in this game.

And now he's acting like a complete scumbag because they're getting their ass kicked.

What a douche. This Rockets team is so unlikable.
and I deleted  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:38 pm : link
my disclaimer about a jinx wrt to Warriors health. That looks like an AC sprain.
Harden wants no part of the ball  
chris r : 5/27/2015 11:38 pm : link
Right now.
RE: sometimes refs  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12303576 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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just miss calls. Players miss shots.


By sometimes you mean all the time?

If they can't see a shove by Howard, then they are incompetent. It was right out in the open for everyone to see.
Fuck Howard  
SimpleMan : 5/27/2015 11:39 pm : link
He is such a bitch
Dwight is such a little btch  
illmatic : 5/27/2015 11:40 pm : link
What a sore loser he has always been. He'll never grow up, apparently.
Wait  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:40 pm : link
they didn't call that a flagrant?

What exactly are these refs doing? He should be thrown out.
Mook  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:41 pm : link
I didn't see the foul live because I was focused on Draymond's hands and Ariza. On replay, it was clear as day because I was signaled to look at it from Draymond's reaction.

Also, regarding Howard's foul. That was a flagrant, but I wonder how hard it is for big men to keep contact to the body on smaller players.
RE: Dwight is such a little btch  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:43 pm : link
In comment 12303582 illmatic said:
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What a sore loser he has always been. He'll never grow up, apparently.


It's amazing regarding Howard. His decisions about his autonomy happened in Orlando right after Lebron's regrettable handling of going to Miami. Howard was the next big ticket. All he had to do to stay likable was to not do what Lebron did. Instead, he was even worse and pissed off everyone. At that moment, I knew that there was something wrong with his maturity.
Howard clearly  
SimpleMan : 5/27/2015 11:43 pm : link
lifted his elbows up to get a shot in in the neck/head area. He should be out of this game.
the only good thing Howard did  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:44 pm : link
was say fuck you to Kobe and the Lakers. That was awesome.
Howard is a child  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:47 pm : link
he's just so stupid. He makes so many dumb fouls that get him in foul trouble for no reason. And it's so easy for opponents to get under his skin.

Still the best Center in the game but he is maddening to watch sometimes.
I do feel bad for Harden tonight  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/27/2015 11:52 pm : link
because he is going to get an absurd amount of grief from sportstalk about his terrible game tonight, even though it came after a brilliant Game 5. He's going to get hammered with extra desserts because many hate his style of play. And people are going to revel in the idea that he choked because of his brutal Finals performance in OKC. But sometimes an off-night is just an off-night. Curry had a really bad shooting night too. Maybe Harden was just exhausted.
Harden going for the rare  
chris r : 5/27/2015 11:55 pm : link
more turnover than points game in a conference elimination game.

Warriors were better  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/27/2015 11:58 pm : link
they deserved it.

The Rockets won the toughest division in NBA history. They finished 2nd in a brutal conference during the regular season. And they got to the WC finals despite missing 2 of their starers during the playoffs. They proved that they are tough and won't back down from a fight.

But they were never going to win a Finals with Prigioni and Terry as their PGs. Morey NEEDS to find Harden a legitimate backcourt mate, because Harden has way too much responsibility on that end and needs to get easier shots which a stronger PG would allow.

Overall a very good season that makes me proud of the team even if they didn't win it all. They aren't that far from being a truly great team, if they have better health next year I think they'll be the Warriors' best competition for the #1 seed (assuming they find a better PG).

Congrats to santa and the Warriors fans. Your team is amazing. GS and CLE have both played at insane levels during this post-season and it should be a classic series.
Klay Thompson  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 11:58 pm : link
just admitted that he's a little dizzy, yet the Warriors said he didn't even need to go through the concussion protocol.

What the fuck?
RE: Warriors were better  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2015 12:13 am : link
In comment 12303595 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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But they were never going to win a Finals with Prigioni and Terry as their PGs. Morey NEEDS to find Harden a legitimate backcourt mate, because Harden has way too much responsibility on that end and needs to get easier shots which a stronger PG would allow.



I thought that was why Morey decided to pay Jeremy Lin almost 15 million this season?
Lin played for LA this year  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 12:28 am : link
and he mediocre'd it up because he's a mediocre player. Capable bench PG but not a starter on a Champ team.

Morey has been a really good GM so far but his biggest mistake has been the fact that he let both Lowry and Dragic slip through his fingers. Awful job.

Rockets need a real PG next year. Bev is all hustle but he's not a true PG at all, he can't run an offense.
Harden sets the record with 13 TOs  
chris r : 5/28/2015 12:39 am : link
it would be much easier to be understanding and feel bad for him for such a shitty performance if you ever saw him bust his ass to get back on defense for example. The guy plays the game of basketball like he just doesn't give a shit.
Knowing how pissed off  
MookGiants : 5/28/2015 12:55 am : link
some of the media is about curry bringing his daughter to the PC makes me so happy.
That little girl  
MookGiants : 5/28/2015 12:58 am : link
is also frickin hilarious.
RE: Knowing how pissed off  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/28/2015 1:04 am : link
In comment 12303608 MookGiants said:
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some of the media is about curry bringing his daughter to the PC makes me so happy.


Brian Windhorst, whose comments started the fiasco, even commented that he was fine when it was a Game 7, etc. He was just bothered when it was after every game-- and when the losing team's players are bringing out their kids after a Game 1 of the first round of the playoffs.
RE: Klay Thompson  
santacruzom : 5/28/2015 1:24 am : link
In comment 12303596 MookGiants said:
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just admitted that he's a little dizzy, yet the Warriors said he didn't even need to go through the concussion protocol.

What the fuck?


Ear injuries can really mess with your equilibrium.
this team  
santacruzom : 5/28/2015 1:37 am : link
Is so likeable. Sure, I'm biased, but if there were unlikeable players on the team I still wouldn't like them even as a fan. Draymond Green might be brash and outspoken, but he still has good sportsmanship.

I want this transformation from inept to elite to happen to the Giants so bad.
Dryamond and Bogut are pretty dirty  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 1:40 am : link
not too bad, but they're dirty. Other than that, I have no problem with the team. And I respect Draymond and Bogut for their roles on the team, would appreciate either guy on my squad.
.  
chris r : 5/28/2015 1:48 am : link
an amazing stat  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 2:04 am : link
shows you what a joke the East has been over the last 15 years.

If you prorate the 66-game '12 season, the number jumps from 7 to 9.

But 24 vs. 9 when it comes to 50+ win teams that they've defeated is an incredible gap between Kobe and LeBron.
Can anyone imagine how many games  
GentleGiant : 5/28/2015 7:52 am : link
Dellavedova would have been suspended had he been responsible for the knee to the head that Ariza gave Thompson? There were some pretty hard fouls doled out last night yet not a peep about dirty play. I think Dellavedova is being held to a double standard because he was undrafted. He plays defense similar to a weekend player at the Y and I think it scares all these pedigree players because they are concerned how far he will take it. I can already predict how much Curry is going to complain about Dellavedova's D. I'd love to see Curry go against John Starks, he'd never make it within the 3 point line and he be praying for someone as soft as Dellavedova.
RE: RE: Warriors were better  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 8:29 am : link
In comment 12303599 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 12303595 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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But they were never going to win a Finals with Prigioni and Terry as their PGs. Morey NEEDS to find Harden a legitimate backcourt mate, because Harden has way too much responsibility on that end and needs to get easier shots which a stronger PG would allow.





I thought that was why Morey decided to pay Jeremy Lin almost 15 million this season?


I think the rockets are going to throw draft picks at DEN for Lawson. Beverly is a good defender but they need a true point to dominate the ball.
RE: Can anyone imagine how many games  
dep026 : 5/28/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12303649 GentleGiant said:
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Dellavedova would have been suspended had he been responsible for the knee to the head that Ariza gave Thompson?


None, and Thompson would have been thrown out of the game for being in Delladova's way.
I don't think anything  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/28/2015 10:48 am : link
that happened in the Klay/Ariza play was questionable, let alone outright dirty. It was a fluke accident where Ariza bit on the pump fake and Klay leaned in, instinctually to draw contact.
RE: Can anyone imagine how many games  
santacruzom : 5/28/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12303649 GentleGiant said:
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I can already predict how much Curry is going to complain about Dellavedova's D.


You seem to have this weird idea that Curry has a reputation for complaining. Where'd that come from?
Thompson  
chris r : 5/28/2015 11:54 am : link
is going to have to step up this series for GS. I don't see Curry going off on a regular basis vs Cleveland.
Was about to ask the same.  
GiantFilthy : 5/28/2015 11:54 am : link
Have I just not picked up on Curry being a whiner?
delladova  
hitdog42 : 5/28/2015 12:12 pm : link
cannot guard steph curry. he cannot sniff guarding him.
if he tries to play up on him it will get embarrassing quickly.

him being able to guard jeff Teague who you can go under screens on... has nothing to do with steph curry.

it will be comical to watch- I hope he does an Iverson like step over of tyron lue back in the day
Was Thibs fired?  
UConn4523 : 5/28/2015 2:38 pm : link
Fine with me even though I still really like him. We aren't winning with him at this point, need some offense in the worst way.
RE: Was Thibs fired?  
dep026 : 5/28/2015 2:42 pm : link
In comment 12304660 UConn4523 said:
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Fine with me even though I still really like him. We aren't winning with him at this point, need some offense in the worst way.


Yeah, there's another thread.
Skiles seems to be the  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 3:12 pm : link
frontrunner and he has a similar style, but I'm really hoping that the Magic decide to go with Thibs now that he's fired.

My dream scenario is the Magic drafting WCS and hiring Thibs. Within 3 years time that team would be a destructive force on D and take over the East from an older LeBron.

Oladipo is coming
RE: Skiles seems to be the  
Metnut : 5/28/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12304760 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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frontrunner and he has a similar style, but I'm really hoping that the Magic decide to go with Thibs now that he's fired.

My dream scenario is the Magic drafting WCS and hiring Thibs. Within 3 years time that team would be a destructive force on D and take over the East from an older LeBron.

Oladipo is coming


Might be hard for them to take over the East if most of their players have been run into the ground by playoff time.
true  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 3:22 pm : link
that's definitely a huge knock on Thibs. Just amazing how bad a job he does at resting his stars.

But if they draft WCS, the Magic will have serious serious potential to be a dominant team in the future imo. And Thibs is the type of coach who can unlock their insane defensive potential.
RE: true  
Metnut : 5/28/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12304787 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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that's definitely a huge knock on Thibs. Just amazing how bad a job he does at resting his stars.

But if they draft WCS, the Magic will have serious serious potential to be a dominant team in the future imo. And Thibs is the type of coach who can unlock their insane defensive potential.


I still think he'd be a good hire for the Magic. Get them from lottery to respectability and even to good. I see Thibs as a "rich man's Skiles" type of coach. Orlando has a surprisingly good fanbase and they've dealt with a lot of BS so I hope they become relevant again.
I thought Chicago's statement was pretty classless  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/28/2015 9:38 pm : link
Yeah, obviously there were issues between Thibs & management. But you don't have to totally burn the dude on his way out.
RE: I thought Chicago's statement was pretty classless  
dep026 : 5/28/2015 9:46 pm : link
In comment 12305267 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Yeah, obviously there were issues between Thibs & management. But you don't have to totally burn the dude on his way out.


He should be thankful they fired him when they did. The bulls could have easily waited until other positions were filled before firing him. They know Hoiberg is already on board. They really could have screwed him.

And Thibs isnt exactly innocent, he refused to talk to management since January, and burned a lot of bridges with players/management.
RE: I thought Chicago's statement was pretty classless  
Metnut : 5/28/2015 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12305267 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Yeah, obviously there were issues between Thibs & management. But you don't have to totally burn the dude on his way out.


The Bulls probably didn't think it was too classy when Thibs told all of his grievances to Jeff Van Gundy who killed the Bulls on national tv multiple times.
I'm not defending Thibs  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/29/2015 6:24 am : link
You two would know more obviously & Thibs was no saint, but I thought it was a little low when you're kicking the guy on his way out. Just fire him & move on; hell, even leak some 'anonymous' bashing quotes to the press. Just don't piss all over the dude in the team statement.
RE: Skiles seems to be the  
giantsfan44ab : 5/29/2015 9:26 am : link
In comment 12304760 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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frontrunner and he has a similar style, but I'm really hoping that the Magic decide to go with Thibs now that he's fired.

My dream scenario is the Magic drafting WCS and hiring Thibs. Within 3 years time that team would be a destructive force on D and take over the East from an older LeBron.

Oladipo is coming


That team desperately needs just any above average coach. I think they are more talented than the Bucks. Oladipo, Harris and Vucevic are all capable of becoming 20 PPG scorers. Payton can become a better shooting Rondo and Gordon is a lock down defender. WCS can do wonders there if Thibs was the coach. Winslow could be another solid pick for them.
yeah, Orlando definitely appears to be  
santacruzom : 5/29/2015 1:10 pm : link
a team on the rise once the right staff comes in. If they follow the Warriors model of hiring not only the right head coach but the right assistants as well, they'll be fearsome.
Klay Thompson diagnosed with a concussion  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/29/2015 2:59 pm : link
I wonder whether he can make it back in time for Game 1.
RE: Klay Thompson diagnosed with a concussion  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 3:09 pm : link
In comment 12306324 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I wonder whether he can make it back in time for Game 1.


The road just got easier for the cavs if he doesnt play game 1. Even when cleared, he may not be the same. I said cavs in 6 from the beginning... if they can snatched game 1, you may see a short series Ala thunder.
the NBA concussion protocol  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/29/2015 3:28 pm : link
clearly needs some work.
I'd be surprised if the Cavs  
santacruzom : 5/29/2015 3:40 pm : link
won the series in 6. I wouldn't say it can't happen, but it would certainly fly in the face of how things have transpired this season enough to be surprising.
in a strange way  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/29/2015 3:52 pm : link
I think people are underrating both the Warriors and the Cavaliers this season. The Warriors still have a jump-shooting stigma despite having a fantastic defense and a deep roster, and putting up a tremendous record in one of the most loaded conferences we have ever seen.

Meanwhie, the Cavaliers, after starting off 20-20 with a new head coach, a completely new squad, several injuries and moving parts (including missing Lebron for a few weeks), finished the season at a blistering 33-9 record.

Obviously, the Cavs are worse without Love and a hobbled Kyrie, but they were a far better team once they started clicking than I think most give them credit for.
RE: RE: I thought Chicago's statement was pretty classless  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12305295 Metnut said:
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Yeah, obviously there were issues between Thibs & management. But you don't have to totally burn the dude on his way out.



The Bulls probably didn't think it was too classy when Thibs told all of his grievances to Jeff Van Gundy who killed the Bulls on national tv multiple times.

It's not like JVG's the only member of the media to question how the Bulls have treated coaches over the years. And clearly there's a big difference between confiding in a friend and putting out a press release.
RE: an amazing stat  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/29/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12303619 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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shows you what a joke the East has been over the last 15 years.

If you prorate the 66-game '12 season, the number jumps from 7 to 9.

But 24 vs. 9 when it comes to 50+ win teams that they've defeated is an incredible gap between Kobe and LeBron.


Interesting is one way of putting it. Incredibly misleading is another. Where to begin.....

1. As you stated, pro rated the 12 Thunder and 12 Pacers were both 50+ win teams. To not include them on this list is incredibly misleading. So we are at 9 now

2. The list did not include the Hawks series just played, as the graphic was posted before game 4. So we are at 10 now.

3. There is the case of the 2013 Indiana Pacers who went 49-32, only played 81 games due to the Boston bombing canceling a game vs Boston. They'd have been incredibly likely to beat a tanking Boston team and have achieved 50 wins. They were the top defense in the NBA that year. So now we are basically at 11 now, and he is past Bird

4. Everyone on this list is pretty much done. Lebron is going to the playoffs several more times. How can you compare his number having just turned 30 to the entire career of others? Of course he has fewer wins vs 50 win teams, he's halfway through his career. He should be in the high teens before it's over

As for Kobe... Do you realize how laughably inflated that 24 total is? Not only is the bulk of it comprised of his time as Shaq's sidekick, but some of it is even pre 2000 when he was a bench player. His list includes a win over the 98 Sonics. He averaged 3.7 ppg in the series

You can't really use win totals to compare across eras. Many 50 win teams from Jordan's expansion crazy, pre global 90s would not be 50 win teams today

This postseason will mark the 5th consecutive time Lebron will play the number 1 defense in the playoffs. The 7th of the last 8 playoffs overall. Unprecedented. He has played 7 series against sub 100.5 defensive rating teams. Jordan played just 1. And he struggled mightily shooting in the series. (93 ECF). Of the top 100 defenses since 1986 (sorted by defensive rating), Lebron has played 12 teams on the list including GS. Jordan merely 3. The east is not the West, but from an individual statistical standpoint Leron has continually run into as tough a collection of defensive competition as anyone.
RE: in a strange way  
santacruzom : 5/29/2015 10:45 pm : link
In comment 12306438 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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The Warriors still have a jump-shooting stigma despite having a fantastic defense and a deep roster


And, despite ranking very highly in points scored in the paint.
The Cavs are likely getting smoked in this series  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/29/2015 11:15 pm : link
And when they do, the Lebron feeding frenzy from lowest common denominator mouth breathers will be in full force. But to those who choose to use a little more nuance than a caveman ring counter, he continues to display a level of impact that rivals any we've seen. The job he has done getting this team to the finals through this adversity is nothing short of amazing. If he was shooting the ball like he normally does this would be arguably the GOAT playoff run. His impact in every other area has been off the charts.

While his shooting efficiency is down, that's just part of the picture. What's more important than solely his shooting efficiency is his overall offensive impact. And despite some shooting woes, his impact on the offensive end has still been incredible. He has the highest usage rate in the postseason by a clear margin, and the Cavs have the highest offensive rating in the playoffs despite the issues with Love and Kyrie. It is impossible for those two things to occur in conjunction without him having a monster impact offensively. Before the Cavs this season, no team in the shot clock era had won a single playoff game with 2 of their top 3 scorers from the regular season out of the lineup. The Cavs have not only won multiple games in that scenario, they won multiple more where Kyrie may have technically played but was useless

With Kyrie limited or out and essentially reduced to a spot up catch and shoot guy who can't turn the corner on a pick and roll, Lebron has had to absorb literally all of the playmaking duties. This has severely cut into their ability to utilize Lebron's off-ball skillset and get him any easy offense at all. Just about all of his own offense is ISO. He's not getting catch and shoot jumper opportunities (statistically easier looks), he's getting exclusively off-the-dribble contested jumpers created by himself. He should still be hitting a higher percentage of those looks, but he's going through a slump with his shot. He's not making rim runs as an off ball cutter (where he thrived in Miami) or as the roll man in the pick and roll, because they need him on the ball as an initiator way too much, he is their only playmaker. If he's getting to the rim, it is off his own dribble or not at all. And dealing with 2 sprained ankles and knee/back issues have robbed him of half a step, making it tougher to get there than usual. But he is still scoring in volume and is the initiator of everything they do offensively.

The offense is Lebron and a bunch of catch and shoot guys just standing around Lebron waiting for looks off the way he forces the defense to shift. If they miss, hope Thompson or Mozgov can grab an offensive board. That is their offense in a nutshell. Elementary as can possibly be, caveman basketball. They barely run plays anymore because they've had to scrap much of the playbook with the injuries. Theyre totally reliant on one man for all shot creation, and they're still wildly productive. The shooters have stepped up at times and they're going to need that to continue, but they eat off the table Lebron sets.

Its a shame the Cavs are dealing with all these injuries because this would be a great series otherwise. Lebrons supporting cast injury luck in the playoffs is beyond awful. That's 4 playoffs in a row now impacted heavily by at least one key injury to a core teammate
Welcome back MoM  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/29/2015 11:20 pm : link
wondering when you would make an appearance.
RE: The Cavs are likely getting smoked in this series  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12307326 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Nice to see you back.

My lone counterpoint is I think defenses are doing a good job defending his scoring, however its leading guys like Shump, Smith, Jones wide open for 3s. If Lebron gets more 1-1s, and scores at a better shooting percentage it may be due to weak side defenders staying home on the shooters. So I think if one percentage goes up, the other goes down.
Thanks guys  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/29/2015 11:33 pm : link
I never left. I still read the board from time to time, but circumstances just dictate I can't spend as much time here. All good things though. I didn't mean to stay away THIS ong. I tried to log in a couple months ago but my password didn't work, then I found out it was because the site got hacked, and I delayed going through the whole process of getting a new password

Looking forward to the series. Not going to spend a second fighting against the feeding frenzy when the inevitable occurs. Cavs have like a 20% chance to win this series.
RE: Thanks guys  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 11:40 pm : link
In comment 12307373 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I never left. I still read the board from time to time, but circumstances just dictate I can't spend as much time here. All good things though. I didn't mean to stay away THIS ong. I tried to log in a couple months ago but my password didn't work, then I found out it was because the site got hacked, and I delayed going through the whole process of getting a new password

Looking forward to the series. Not going to spend a second fighting against the feeding frenzy when the inevitable occurs. Cavs have like a 20% chance to win this series.


I give the Cavs more of a fighting chance than most. OKC was a hot name too when Durant was insane, Wesbtrook was blossoming, Ibaka was a formidable defender, and Harden off the bench.

GS is still green when it comes to the big stage. They may be favorite, but Lebron is still Lebron.
They need Kyrie to be Kyrie physically  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/30/2015 12:07 am : link
Anything short of that is not enough. He can't just be a spot up shooter, the Cavs need him to take some of the ball handling and facilitation responsibilities away from Lebron, which will also lead to a more efficient Lebron. He needs to have enough quickness and first step to break defenses down. He needs to be able to turn the corner so Kyrie pick and rolls are at least an option at their disposal. I liked what I saw in flashes in game 4 vs Atlanta, but let's see. Golden State is too balanced and too good defensively to succeed against with the brand of elementary offense Cleveland is playing with Lebrons crazy usage rate. It has worked up to now, but this is a major step up. Golden State is statistically a GOAT short list single season team.

They're also going to need to get a little lucky. Both teams are big 3 point shooting teams, and the three point shot can have wide variance in short samples (such as a playoff series). Cavs need to shoot it better than the Warriors, which isn't out of the realm of possibility even though it would be an aberration.
back just in time for the Finals  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/30/2015 12:34 am : link
LeBron > Kobe, I wasn't looking at that 50+ win graphic as anything more than an interesting little tidbit. Out of the Duncan/Shaq/Kobe/LeBron Mt. Rushmore of post-Jordan 1st tier legends, it's just a fact that LeBron has faced the easiest competition in the playoffs for the most part because of the Conference Imbalance. You're right that LeBron has had to go up against some truly great Defenses which has made his awesome playoff output even more impressive, but most of those Dominant Defenses had middling Offenses.

Awesome player whose had an awesome career. I'm beyond the point of giving a shit about MJ vs. LeBron comparisons. I'd choose MJ because his jumper was eternally wet whereas LeBron's J runs hot/cold, but LeBron is probably better than MJ outside of that one big aspect of basketball.

I'd give the Cavs more than a 20% chance. I think LeBron demolishing Draymond/Barnes/Iggy is a good bet, Draymond is a great team defender but he's not a one man wrecking crew like Kawhi. And although Bogut is a very good defender, he can be beat over the top and LeBron is a guy that can do that in his sleep. I'm expecting a silly series from LeBron. But as you mentioned, Kyrie is the key to this series for the Cavs. If he proves to be healthy and atleast comes close to matching Steph's scoring output, the Cavs would be in decent shape. Klay's health and performance is the key for the Warriors. I'd go GSW in 7. I think it'll be a great series, both teams have been playing at an unusually high level for a while now.
Bill Cartwright  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/30/2015 1:24 am : link
Became the latest 90s Bull to proclaim Lebron better than MJ. Old Piston Bill Laimbeer did the same. Both in the last couple days. Obviously, people are going to read agendas into their comments, and it may well be the case that that's their motivation. I don't think Lebron is better than Jordan (he is certainly more complete), but Jordan's ultra potent half court scoring attack was just so vital. I do think Jordan's pure scoring edge would be somewhat mitigated by playing today's modern defenses, which are simply better and have more strategic options at their disposal to contain individual threats. But he still had the more complete scoring arsenal than Lebron and a more consistent jumper. I think overall offensive impact was basically equal.

To make the case for Jordan over Lebron you basically need to take a magnifying glass to their careers and talk about a series here or a game there. Hype up the 2011 finals and try and form a narrative around those 2 weeks. You need to get really micro, because there is nothing in the macro sense of their careers that suggests Jordan was clearly more impactful than Lebron. Season in season out, game in game out. Not by the eye test. Not by any metric worth it's salt either. I'd throw peak Shaq in there too. Those 3 guys at their peak are almost indistinguishable among modern greats, and all brought very unique skills to the table. Depending on the situation you could make a case for building around any of them. Jordan was a bit luckier than the other 2. Injuries were an issue with Shaq. Injuries are a constant issue with Lebrons supporting cast (I mean this is the 4th freaking year in a row we are wondering about the health of Lebrons sidekick entering the finals). Jordan was luckier on both fronts, both with himself and his teammates. He also saw his team win 55 games and contend while he was playing baseball, I can't think of a single prime Lebron or prime Shaq team who could have done that without them. Jordan also operated in the diluted expansion era (6 teams added in his prime), he also played almost entirely before the global boom. All these issues and the fact that basketball is a team game (which unbelievably still needs to be repeated so often) are why simple ring counting is beyond silly. And if you want to be consistent with it then you can't consider Jordan the GOAT either.

The whole God like narrative surrounding Jordan today is just too much. I think he was the GOAT, but he wasn't some clear tier above anyone in the discussion
my favorite  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:07 am : link
part about any argument involving Jordan and LeBron is when people point to titles and then say it ends the discussion.

I then ask them how many titles Bill Russell one and ask them why that same rule doesn't apply and they immediately begin to stutter.
won*  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:07 am : link
not one, obviously
Well if Bill Lambier says it it must be true  
chris r : 5/30/2015 2:17 am : link
he's got no bias against Jordan does he?

LeBron is a fraud. He hasn't won a ring on a team that doesn't have two other hall of famers. Jordan won six rings with won other HOFer.
And Cartwright didn't say Lebron was better than MJ  
chris r : 5/30/2015 2:19 am : link
he's not mentally retarded.
RE: Well if Bill Lambier says it it must be true  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:22 am : link
In comment 12307591 chris r said:
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he's got no bias against Jordan does he?

LeBron is a fraud. He hasn't won a ring on a team that doesn't have two other hall of famers. Jordan won six rings with won other HOFer.


Michael Jordan never won a title without Scottie Pippen. See how that works?

Oh, and Dennis Rodman is a hall of famer. So 3 of the 6 were won with only one other hall of famer.

And the Wade LeBron got to play with, outside of the first year, was not a hall of fame level player. Nor was Bosh.

Remind us again how this Cavs team is stacked.
LeBron is never going to live down the series vs Dallas  
chris r : 5/30/2015 2:23 am : link
after he promised Miami seven or more rings and than completely shat his pants vs an over the hill Shawn Marion and acted like the last place he wanted to be was on a basketball court. That was a cowardly performance the likes of which MJ never put up in his prime. No amount of beating up on a historically bad Eastern Conference makes up for that.
RE: RE: Well if Bill Lambier says it it must be true  
chris r : 5/30/2015 2:24 am : link
In comment 12307595 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12307591 chris r said:


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he's got no bias against Jordan does he?

LeBron is a fraud. He hasn't won a ring on a team that doesn't have two other hall of famers. Jordan won six rings with won other HOFer.



Michael Jordan never won a title without Scottie Pippen. See how that works?

Oh, and Dennis Rodman is a hall of famer. So 3 of the 6 were won with only one other hall of famer.

And the Wade LeBron got to play with, outside of the first year, was not a hall of fame level player. Nor was Bosh.

Remind us again how this Cavs team is stacked.


Remind me again how many rings LeBron has with Clevland? TIA. He had to leave to form a dream team to have a chance at a ring and only returned after Clevland lucked into consecutive number one picks.
did LeBron  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:25 am : link
fuck your fiancee the night before your wedding or something?

My favorite is how you came on a Yankee thread the one day to comment that Yankee fans had some strange obsession with David Ortiz.

Your obsession with LeBron is beyond strange. You might want to seek help for it, because when discussing anything LeBron you just totally lose your mind and never make an ounce of sense.
Jordan  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:27 am : link
couldn't win a ring until Pippen got there.

Put prime Pippen with LeBron and see how they do.

As Bulls fans like to say about the Knicks making the finals in 1994, they only made it because of a bad call, right? So a Michael Jordan-less Bulls team was a bad call, according to you, away from playing for an NBA title.

How have the teams LeBron has left fared? Let's see.

Cleveland, win lottery

Miami, miss the playoffs in a pathetic east.

Michael Jordan- zero titles without Scottie Pippen. Easy to stay somewhere when the team you're drafted by puts a top 50 all time player with you
RE: Well if Bill Lambier says it it must be true  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/30/2015 2:28 am : link
In comment 12307591 chris r said:
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he's got no bias against Jordan does he?

LeBron is a fraud. He hasn't won a ring on a team that doesn't have two other hall of famers. Jordan won six rings with won other HOFer.


Whether you're willfully dense or just really that stupid to make such a simplistic argument, it's worthless none the less. 2 can play the no context game. Michael Jordan is 1-9 in the playoffs without scottie Pippen with 3 first round ousters. See? Oh, and Dennis rodman is a hall of famer too.

Now how about we talk about Wade and Bosh injuries during title years rendering both shells of themselves at times (Wades 2013 run was one of the weakest ever for a 2nd option on a title team in the playoffs). Let's talk about the fact that Lebron led those teams in scoring, rebounding, assists and was their best defender at 4 positions. That's a level of responsibility never heaped upon Jordan, nor was he capable of accepting that responsibility. The complete finger print Lebron had on those teams runs are a big reason why his 12 and 13 playoffs amassed more win shares than any playoff run Jordan ever had.

Lebron never played on a team that could win 55 games without him. The 94 Bulls gave us a window both into the level of Chicagos supporting cast, and the weakness of the league they navigated in the decade of crazy expansion before the global boom to support it
LeBron is incredibly unlikeable  
chris r : 5/30/2015 2:28 am : link
he flops, he jerryrigs teams to his favor, there's nothing redeemable about him except the fact that he posses a challenge to Jordan who ruined the only period in your life the Knicks have been good. Lets face it, thats the only reason you defend him.
but dont worry  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:28 am : link
Michael Jordan couldn't win without Scottie Pippen, but he totally would have won with a team that's 2nd best player was Mo fucking Williams
Yeah  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 2:30 am : link
he's definitely the only nba star to flop.

Still waiting on that Dunleavy video from game 4, by the way. Figured you'd have posted it by now.

And I like Jordan. I just hate cunt bulls fans like you.

And I like LeBron, too.

If it's all about rings, why is Jordan better than Bill Russell?
RE: LeBron is incredibly unlikeable  
MarshallOnMontana : 5/30/2015 2:38 am : link
In comment 12307602 chris r said:
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he flops, he jerryrigs teams to his favor, there's nothing redeemable about him except the fact that he posses a challenge to Jordan who ruined the only period in your life the Knicks have been good. Lets face it, thats the only reason you defend him.


For all the "jerry rigging" any notion that he had more help of less responsibility than MJ is wholly unsupportable. And As a standard internet troll I don't know that you're in a position to call anyone else unlikeable. The fact that you are doing so on behalf of a grade A douchebag like Jordan is rich.
RE: The Cavs are likely getting smoked in this series  
santacruzom : 5/30/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12307326 MarshallOnMontana said:
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The offense is Lebron and a bunch of catch and shoot guys just standing around Lebron waiting for looks off the way he forces the defense to shift. If they miss, hope Thompson or Mozgov can grab an offensive board. That is their offense in a nutshell.


That definitely seems like the case. But the thing is, even that is sufficiently scary to a Warriors fan.

The offensive rebound thing really looms large. I hope the Dubs can minimize them.
Yep  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:44 am : link
Golden State isn't a bad rebounding team, but they are a mediocre rebounding team (18th in defensive rebounding %), and it stands out because there isn't much they're mediocre at. They're just incredibly well balanced. The Cavs, unlike any Miami team Lebron ever played on, is a force on the offensive glass. And they're even better after losing Love because Thompson is a better offensive rebounder (in part because Love plays far from the basket on offense and isn't as often in position to make hay on the offensive glass). This is one area where the Cavs have an edge and they have to heavily exploit it to have any chance

They miss Love a lot though. I don't care if they win a title without him. People railed on him for the inevitable statistical decline individually, but within the context of the team he was a very valuable piece and his spacing was very key offensively. Thompson on the bench also gave them great depth. The Cavs were 38-3 this season with the Kyrie/J.R./Lebron/Love/Mozgov starting 5. Incredible isn't a strong enough word for that level dominance, that's a 76 win pace.

The Love trade was still a fantastic move for Cleveland assuming he stays. It only burns them if he goes. The notion that they made some terrible move is so vastly overdone. Let's not get it twisted, just because Wiggins won rookie of the year doesn't even mean he's an average NBA player as of now, because he's not. This was just an incredibly weak rookie class who saw everyone get hurt, and players more advanced than Wiggins (like Mirotic) played in situations where contending teams weren't going to blindly play them big minutes and deal with the rawness. Andrew Wiggins will probably be an all star one day, but let's be clear.... Right now he is not any good. Not by any metric worth it's salt. Not by the eye test. Only if you watch highlights and get wowed by a fancy finish here and there. He has a PER of 13. Can't shoot, can't pass, he is one of the worst wing defenders in the entire league by defensive RPM. (He has a skillset to be a big time defender one day, but right now he is light years away. Physically weak, raw, and focus has been called into question by every coach he has ever had). He was given full freedom and scored in some volume, but did so inefficiently. And that freedom was part of the reason Minnesota had the worst record in the nba. I'm not talking about the future.... But as we sit here now, Iman Shumpert is even a more useful piece than Wiggins
Joe  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 9:59 am : link
I am going to disagree with you on 2 things.

1. I think the loss of Love isnt as much as you think because I view depth as overrated in the playoffs. Your main guys are going to play 37-40 minutes because every game is crucial. Like you stated, Thompson is a beast on the offensive boards and has been huge in that asset. Also, he is a much, much better defender than Love. Green would have a field day against Love this series, but I think Thompson will defend him better. Yes, they miss Love's shooting - but if these other role players keep shooting like they have, do they really miss him that much? Time will tell. Also, Lebron at the 4 position has proven unstoppable. It really makes the other team change their defensive philosophies to match up with him.

2. I am a huge Wiggins fan. You have posted numbers to say else but I think he is going to blossom into a megastar. Once Kevin Martin got hurt and missed a huge stretch of time, him and Rubio really seem to connect and Wiggins was scoring 20 regularly. He struggled to start the year, but really picked up the pace to finish the year off. His shooting needs to improve, but so did a lot of great players. He has the potential to be an excellent defender. I think the Twolves can be a pretty fun team to watch in the next few years. Rubio, Levine, Wiggins, Towns, and Pek could be a fun starting 5.
dep  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 10:12 am : link
I'm not talking about Wiggins 2-3 years down the line. He is a talent, and this year he flashed signs of very valuable skills going forward. He probably has the most advanced postgame of any wing player I've ever seen his age. He has an awesome first step and draws a lot of fouls, he is going to be a high volume free throw shooter going forward. But right now there is literally nothing at all suggesting he is even an average NBA starter TODAY. Literally nothing. He's a big net negative on both ends of the floor by any metric imaginable. He's a sportscenter player. He looks good if you catch Wolves highlights. Even his defense which was billed as NBA ready is pitiful. Its very tough to envision him being a more impactful piece than Love at any point soon.

I just disagree on them not missing Love much. He was a very key piece this year and even if they won a title without him (which I doubt is going to happen), their ceiling is way higher with him. This team was unbeatable with him in the lineup in the 2nd half of the year
RE: dep  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12309247 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I'm not talking about Wiggins 2-3 years down the line. He is a talent, and this year he flashed signs of very valuable skills going forward. He probably has the most advanced postgame of any wing player I've ever seen his age. He has an awesome first step and draws a lot of fouls, he is going to be a high volume free throw shooter going forward. But right now there is literally nothing at all suggesting he is even an average NBA starter TODAY. Literally nothing. He's a big net negative on both ends of the floor by any metric imaginable. He's a sportscenter player. He looks good if you catch Wolves highlights. Even his defense which was billed as NBA ready is pitiful. Its very tough to envision him being a more impactful piece than Love at any point soon.

I just disagree on them not missing Love much. He was a very key piece this year and even if they won a title without him (which I doubt is going to happen), their ceiling is way higher with him. This team was unbeatable with him in the lineup in the 2nd half of the year


I think Wiggins struggled because the team was awful. But imagine if Lebron was his mentor. I think you would have seen a much more capable player, better defender. Lebron's knowledge would have made him a better player right from the get go. But a part of me is happy he is in Minensota. I think if Towns can turn into a legit all star and Levine/Wiggins grow - that team has some early 2000s suns in them.

As far as Love, we will see. I think if he was there, it would take the ball out of Lebron;s hands more. And at this time, the more Lebron has the ball, the better they are. I am still giving the Cavs a very good shot of beating the Warriors. I think the Cavs defense is very underrated. Shump, Lebron, Mozgov, and Thompson are all excellent defenders. Smith is average, Delladova is dirty as hell.

It should be an exciting series. GS really needs game 1 to set the tone.
I agree  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/1/2015 11:26 am : link
that the loss of Love is a huge hit on the Cavaliers, while also agreeing that his individual ability is not maximized on this Cleveland roster. he provides a shooting stability that JR and Shump can't provide, and his passing provides such a relief for Lebron who is exhausting himself generating every offensive possession.
Hoiberg officially  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 11:27 am : link
named Bulls coach.

Curious to see how the offense will now change.
I don't think comparing advanced stats of  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 12:08 pm : link
Mirotic to Wiggins is fair to Wiggins. Mirotic literally had no expectations and he is playing alongside some of the best veterans in the league. Wiggins emerged as the best player on a team with many veterans such as Kmart, Rbuio and Pek. Obviously when a team is rolling out 3-4 guys that are rookies or in their 2nd year, the team will not win games and thus the advanced stats will be terrible for all players involved.

Thats not to understate the impact Love had there. Clearly they fell off a cliff after the trade, but their long term potential is higher with guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Deng, Shabazz and now most likely Towns. The potential ceiling for the Twolves is higher with these players than it ever would have been with Kevin Love.

I think Kevin Love is an all-star level player, but I think its clear to see that he can't be the best player on a contending team. He hasn't even shown he can be the best player on an 8th seed (albeit in the west). But watching Anthony Davis accomplish that feat in 3 years I think it shows that Love is better off on a team like the Cavs than going to a team like Boston or Phoenix. Its an unfair comparison, but it wasn't too long ago that Love was being heralded as a top 5 player and the best PF.

That just isn't the case. He was a great player, not elite, putting up amazing numbers on a mediocre team. I thinK Kevin Martin is a great comparison for this situation. Kmart was dropping 25 PPG back in Sacramento and Houston but no one considered him to be elite because his teams didn't perform, particularly because he couldn't do crap on defense, much like Love.

What does throw me off, however, is how people are saying the Cavs are better off with Tristan Thompson rather than Love starting. Thompson is a big guy playing against undersized teams. The Cavs have been playing ISO ball against Eastern conference teams. If they play this way against GS, they are due for a rude awakening. Love is essential for this team to have any shot at contending and I think we all will see this in these next 2 weeks.
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dep026 : 6/1/2015 12:18 pm : link
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Mirotic to Wiggins is fair to Wiggins. Mirotic literally had no expectations and he is playing alongside some of the best veterans in the league. Wiggins emerged as the best player on a team with many veterans such as Kmart, Rbuio and Pek. Obviously when a team is rolling out 3-4 guys that are rookies or in their 2nd year, the team will not win games and thus the advanced stats will be terrible for all players involved.

Thats not to understate the impact Love had there. Clearly they fell off a cliff after the trade, but their long term potential is higher with guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Deng, Shabazz and now most likely Towns. The potential ceiling for the Twolves is higher with these players than it ever would have been with Kevin Love.

I think Kevin Love is an all-star level player, but I think its clear to see that he can't be the best player on a contending team. He hasn't even shown he can be the best player on an 8th seed (albeit in the west). But watching Anthony Davis accomplish that feat in 3 years I think it shows that Love is better off on a team like the Cavs than going to a team like Boston or Phoenix. Its an unfair comparison, but it wasn't too long ago that Love was being heralded as a top 5 player and the best PF.

That just isn't the case. He was a great player, not elite, putting up amazing numbers on a mediocre team. I thinK Kevin Martin is a great comparison for this situation. Kmart was dropping 25 PPG back in Sacramento and Houston but no one considered him to be elite because his teams didn't perform, particularly because he couldn't do crap on defense, much like Love.

What does throw me off, however, is how people are saying the Cavs are better off with Tristan Thompson rather than Love starting. Thompson is a big guy playing against undersized teams. The Cavs have been playing ISO ball against Eastern conference teams. If they play this way against GS, they are due for a rude awakening. Love is essential for this team to have any shot at contending and I think we all will see this in these next 2 weeks.


Thompson dominated the Bulls and they are anything but undersized. Gasol and Noah are 7 footers. Mirotic is 6'10. Gibson is 6'9.
Kevin Love fairly obviously isn't a leading man  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
He isnt in the same universe as an Anthony Davis. But that's not relevant. What's relevant is his value in relation to Andrew Wiggins. And currently, it's a blood bath. It's also wholly unsupportable to call Andrew a Wiggins the Wolves best player.

Wiggins was fairly awful this season divorced from grading him on a curve for his age. You may look and see 16.9 ppg and be impressed, but literally 200 guys in the NBA can score at that volume if......

A) they were top 5 in the nba in minutes played, as Wiggins was
And
B) they were given full freedom offensively and a green light to shoot because their team didn't care about short term wins, like the Wolves

His efficiency was well below league average (.517 true shooting percentage, league average mid 50s. He has non existent playmaking skills, no feel as a passer and doesn't see the floor. He's a non existent threat off the ball because he can't shoot and space, and on a better team (like the Cavs) that would be his primary role. His overall offensive impact is absolutely not a net positive. Not even close. And his defense is terrible even though he has the wingspan and lateral quickness to be better when he fills out

I think he can be an all star in the league one day, but he is not any good right now. It's hard to make a case that says he is, outside of his presence as a sportscenter hero. At this moment, he's not even Iman Shumpert.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 12:23 pm : link
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Mirotic to Wiggins is fair to Wiggins. Mirotic literally had no expectations and he is playing alongside some of the best veterans in the league. Wiggins emerged as the best player on a team with many veterans such as Kmart, Rbuio and Pek. Obviously when a team is rolling out 3-4 guys that are rookies or in their 2nd year, the team will not win games and thus the advanced stats will be terrible for all players involved.

Thats not to understate the impact Love had there. Clearly they fell off a cliff after the trade, but their long term potential is higher with guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Deng, Shabazz and now most likely Towns. The potential ceiling for the Twolves is higher with these players than it ever would have been with Kevin Love.

I think Kevin Love is an all-star level player, but I think its clear to see that he can't be the best player on a contending team. He hasn't even shown he can be the best player on an 8th seed (albeit in the west). But watching Anthony Davis accomplish that feat in 3 years I think it shows that Love is better off on a team like the Cavs than going to a team like Boston or Phoenix. Its an unfair comparison, but it wasn't too long ago that Love was being heralded as a top 5 player and the best PF.

That just isn't the case. He was a great player, not elite, putting up amazing numbers on a mediocre team. I thinK Kevin Martin is a great comparison for this situation. Kmart was dropping 25 PPG back in Sacramento and Houston but no one considered him to be elite because his teams didn't perform, particularly because he couldn't do crap on defense, much like Love.

What does throw me off, however, is how people are saying the Cavs are better off with Tristan Thompson rather than Love starting. Thompson is a big guy playing against undersized teams. The Cavs have been playing ISO ball against Eastern conference teams. If they play this way against GS, they are due for a rude awakening. Love is essential for this team to have any shot at contending and I think we all will see this in these next 2 weeks.



Thompson dominated the Bulls and they are anything but undersized. Gasol and Noah are 7 footers. Mirotic is 6'10. Gibson is 6'9.


Noah was hobbled and Gasol and Mirotic isn't the toughest big around. I'm saying they need another offensive threat to keep up pace with these western conference teams. Thompson isn't going to give you any spacing and its going to be tough getting buckets in the paint when Green and Bogut are clogging up the middle. Lebron and JR's stepback jumpshots aren't going to win a title against the Warriors.
I think the points  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/1/2015 12:26 pm : link
being made about Wiggins on here are quite perceptive and not what you usually see in discussions about him. His numbers are inflated by his situation, but it is clear that his highlights show his potential-- my favorite being his defensive stop against Harden on the step-back.

I don't think it's fair to compare Love to Anthony Davis who may be the second best player in the game already.
He will bring offensive rebounds  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 12:28 pm : link
which will add possessions to the Cavs and also he is a much better defensive player than Love so he can match up with Green, whereas I dont think Love could. At the end of the game, he will primarily the 5 and Lebron the 4 so they will have enough spacing with Irving, Jones, SMith, Shumpert, or Delly.
RE: Kevin Love fairly obviously isn't a leading man  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12309574 MarshallOnMontana said:
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He isnt in the same universe as an Anthony Davis. But that's not relevant. What's relevant is his value in relation to Andrew Wiggins. And currently, it's a blood bath. It's also wholly unsupportable to call Andrew a Wiggins the Wolves best player.

Wiggins was fairly awful this season divorced from grading him on a curve for his age. You may look and see 16.9 ppg and be impressed, but literally 200 guys in the NBA can score at that volume if......

A) they were top 5 in the nba in minutes played, as Wiggins was
And
B) they were given full freedom offensively and a green light to shoot because their team didn't care about short term wins, like the Wolves

His efficiency was well below league average (.517 true shooting percentage, league average mid 50s. He has non existent playmaking skills, no feel as a passer and doesn't see the floor. He's a non existent threat off the ball because he can't shoot and space, and on a better team (like the Cavs) that would be his primary role. His overall offensive impact is absolutely not a net positive. Not even close. And his defense is terrible even though he has the wingspan and lateral quickness to be better when he fills out

I think he can be an all star in the league one day, but he is not any good right now. It's hard to make a case that says he is, outside of his presence as a sportscenter hero. At this moment, he's not even Iman Shumpert.


Well all of that would be pretty important if the Wolves were trying to win a title right now. But they're not. They started 2 19 year olds. They are playing boys against the men of the league. I was impressed by Wiggins because I felt that he was too passive in college and he shown signs of asserting himself on offense.

Lavine fell really far in the draft because he had a suspect handle and was being questioned if he could create his own shot in the league. He showed that he is nearly unstoppable in transition and he had some games where he just went completely off and showing that one day he could be a dominant force in the NBA.

Shabazz was about to be labeled a bust but before he got hurt he was a very efficient post player and could provide scoring in bunches.

Right now its not about the advanced metrics. Thats not what Flip Saunders is getting graded on right now. All the young players on this team showed flashes that they are more than capable of hitting their respective ceilings that they had when they got drafted. You throw Towns into the mix and then give it 2-3 years.

How good were KD's, Westbrook's, and Harden's advanced stats in their first few years? Not great, especially if you go and look back at KD's. But I think Minny could be headed down a very similar path from what we have seen from some of these young guys,
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 12:36 pm : link
The cavaliers are not in the wolves situation and we are discussing this from Cleveland's perspective.

I'm not making any declarations about Wiggins long term. But the gap between he and Love is vast at the moment. And Love figures to remain a better player for at least a couple years. Lebron prime seasons aren't infinite, so that's important
Wiggins last months stands out  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 12:36 pm : link
5 out of the 8 games he got to line 10 plus times, and another game at 8. Scored over 23 per game shooting over 47%.

If we see more of that next year, I think you will have a perennial all-star.
RE: 44ab  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 12:46 pm : link
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The cavaliers are not in the wolves situation and we are discussing this from Cleveland's perspective.

I'm not making any declarations about Wiggins long term. But the gap between he and Love is vast at the moment. And Love figures to remain a better player for at least a couple years. Lebron prime seasons aren't infinite, so that's important


Oh gotcha I see what you are saying. For Minny I think it was a hands down win for them.

But for the Cavs, and the way they are playing now, I think it is hard to see Love being a better option than Wiggins the way they have been playing small. Of course that is easier to say now how Love isn't a perfect fit. I still think they will need him. You can't fault them for doing the trade because it looked like they needed another presence down low.

But if we knew what we knew now and could go back and decide again what to do, I think they would have been better off with Wiggins. If Wiggins played along side Lebron, he would have had a much more efficient rookie season. Maybe he averages 13 or 14 PPG instead of 17, but Wiggins is a great cutter off the ball and was not atrocious from 3 point land, especially towards the end of the season. Cleveland would have really excelled with Wiggins in small ball lineups and would be unstoppable in transition as well.
He definitely played better at years end  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 12:50 pm : link
He's a talent. There's a reason he went first overall and I agreed with it wholeheartedly. He's going to be a good player. His shot will come with time, he will fill out physically. I'd be suprised if he isn't an all star

But people have fast tracked where exactly he is right now based on some context free boxscore stats and limited exposure, mainly viral vines or sportscenter highlights displaying his athletic brilliance (omg look at what he did to Gobert!). He would be the 4th best shooting guard on the Cavs right now though. I think Shump and JR both add more to a good team in 2015, and I'll throw in Kyrie because he's a glorified SG anyway.
RE: He definitely played better at years end  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 1:01 pm : link
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He's a talent. There's a reason he went first overall and I agreed with it wholeheartedly. He's going to be a good player. His shot will come with time, he will fill out physically. I'd be suprised if he isn't an all star

But people have fast tracked where exactly he is right now based on some context free boxscore stats and limited exposure, mainly viral vines or sportscenter highlights displaying his athletic brilliance (omg look at what he did to Gobert!). He would be the 4th best shooting guard on the Cavs right now though. I think Shump and JR both add more to a good team in 2015, and I'll throw in Kyrie because he's a glorified SG anyway.


I wouldn't say he would play significantly more, but throwing in another hyper-athletic wing player is ideal for a small ball lineup. You take some minutes away from Delly and James Jones and give it to wiggins. The fact that Love sat out virtually every 4th quarter in favor of a small ball lineup shows what the Cavs think is ideal to winning games. They could have gotten another 4 to play some minutes instead of Love.

The PF position is the highest saturated position in the league in terms of talent. They still had Dion Waiters and they could've flipped him for a 4 that would play around 20-25 mpg. There is Brandon Bass who isn't as versatile as Love but is an efficient shooter and plays defense. Paul Milsap could have been tradeable at the time because the Hawks did not know how good of a season they were going to have and could have gotten some assets for his expiring contract. You could have gone around the league and found guys to play some minutes at the 4. Channing Frye, Ersan Ilyasova, Carl Landry.
i am bummed  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
my point guard in college who works for the GM (head of player personnel I believe) for the Cavs called me to fly out to game 4---- cant go due to work. would be a sweet game to view!

2 things are clear... either the east is significantly worse then discussed or the cavs are significantly better then given credit for without Love/Kyrie.

Sounds like  
nygiants16 : 6/1/2015 1:20 pm : link
Wade and the HEat moving farther and farther apart,

Riley wants Wade to opt in so they can have flexibilty next year to try and go after Durant meanwhile they are going to max out Dragic...

Wade wants a 3 year contract and the Heat are not willing to do that...

Will be interesting if Wade really decides to leave South Beach...
RE: He will bring offensive rebounds  
santacruzom : 6/1/2015 1:23 pm : link
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which will add possessions to the Cavs and also he is a much better defensive player than Love so he can match up with Green, whereas I dont think Love could.


I don't think that's any sort of significant series-changer. Green has had a few 20+ point outbursts this season where he's gotten hot, but he's never someone whose scoring the Warriors feature in a game. He also likes to pass more than he likes to score. There's really no "bad matchup for Green" that would lead to a huge offensive contribution from him throughout the series.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 1:36 pm : link
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which will add possessions to the Cavs and also he is a much better defensive player than Love so he can match up with Green, whereas I dont think Love could.



I don't think that's any sort of significant series-changer. Green has had a few 20+ point outbursts this season where he's gotten hot, but he's never someone whose scoring the Warriors feature in a game. He also likes to pass more than he likes to score. There's really no "bad matchup for Green" that would lead to a huge offensive contribution from him throughout the series.


I also don't see whats forcing GS to go small if the Cavs go small. Why not play Bogut on Thompson and Green on Lebron? If anything, that is a more ideal matchup for GS. I think GS has the ability to counter whatever lineup Cleveland throws on the floor. If Cleveland had love, however, there is more variability with the lineups Cleveland can use.

But right now, I don't see why GS couldn't dictate what lineups to use. I don't see how Cleveland can force GS's hand into playing any particular matchup.
I dont mean to diminish Golden State at all  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 1:36 pm : link
They are a phenomenal basketball team. Statistically, GOAT short list. I'm not ready to go there, but if they cap off this run the resume' is what the resume' is, it's tough to deny them their place among the great single season teams.

That said, as a basketball fan, I'm disappointed that we may never truly know how great they actually are due to extenuating circumstances. If you are laying out their 4 biggest threats, in no particular order the 4 are clear. It's a healthy OKC, the Spurs, the Clippers (who ousted them last year, granted a year is an eternity) and the Cavs. They outright avoided the 3 teams in the West due to the fact that OKC stayed hurt, the Clips did the dirty work to San Antonio and then choked like dogs against the Rockets. And without Love, they aren't getting the Cleveland team who went 38-3 with their post trades starting lineup. They get a Memphis squad with Conley and Allen both missing time and Conley playing with a broken face when he did play. They get a Rocket team they match up incredibly well with, forced by injury to primarily guard the MVP with two guys who combine to be 75 years old (literally). And for the most part, minus the Speights issue, they'd had great health

This isn't to take anything away from them. But it's disappointing just as someone who was looking forward to some of these matchups. They were the best team in the league all year. I personally think the Cavs were a fraction better when healthy post trades, but that's just an opinion. Over an 82 game sample the dubs were amazing. But the red carpet has also kind of been rolled out for them in playoff time
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dep026 : 6/1/2015 1:38 pm : link
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which will add possessions to the Cavs and also he is a much better defensive player than Love so he can match up with Green, whereas I dont think Love could.



I don't think that's any sort of significant series-changer. Green has had a few 20+ point outbursts this season where he's gotten hot, but he's never someone whose scoring the Warriors feature in a game. He also likes to pass more than he likes to score. There's really no "bad matchup for Green" that would lead to a huge offensive contribution from him throughout the series.



I also don't see whats forcing GS to go small if the Cavs go small. Why not play Bogut on Thompson and Green on Lebron? If anything, that is a more ideal matchup for GS. I think GS has the ability to counter whatever lineup Cleveland throws on the floor. If Cleveland had love, however, there is more variability with the lineups Cleveland can use.

But right now, I don't see why GS couldn't dictate what lineups to use. I don't see how Cleveland can force GS's hand into playing any particular matchup.


How would you defend their high pick and roll then. I mean you can go under and force jumpers, but if he is making them - you are at his mercy. Plus Bogut is always in foul trouble, ask santa. I think you are going to see Green guard Thompson and Iggy guard Lebron.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 1:50 pm : link
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which will add possessions to the Cavs and also he is a much better defensive player than Love so he can match up with Green, whereas I dont think Love could.



I don't think that's any sort of significant series-changer. Green has had a few 20+ point outbursts this season where he's gotten hot, but he's never someone whose scoring the Warriors feature in a game. He also likes to pass more than he likes to score. There's really no "bad matchup for Green" that would lead to a huge offensive contribution from him throughout the series.



I also don't see whats forcing GS to go small if the Cavs go small. Why not play Bogut on Thompson and Green on Lebron? If anything, that is a more ideal matchup for GS. I think GS has the ability to counter whatever lineup Cleveland throws on the floor. If Cleveland had love, however, there is more variability with the lineups Cleveland can use.

But right now, I don't see why GS couldn't dictate what lineups to use. I don't see how Cleveland can force GS's hand into playing any particular matchup.



How would you defend their high pick and roll then. I mean you can go under and force jumpers, but if he is making them - you are at his mercy. Plus Bogut is always in foul trouble, ask santa. I think you are going to see Green guard Thompson and Iggy guard Lebron.


Sorry, a little confused, do you mean forcing Lebron to shoot jumpers? If you meant Lebron, well he is shooting 36% on mid-range jumpers and 18% on 3 point shots. So yes, as of now I think that's exactly what GS is going to try doing. Those inefficient nights might have worked against other inefficient teams like Boston and Chicago but throwing up long 2's on a consistent basis could make this a quick 4 or 5 game series for GS.

Festus Ezeli, believe it or not, has been coming up big for GS. While he is no Bogut he has been holding down the fort whenever Bogut sits and GS is not playing small.

I also think Kerr might try throwing Curry on Shumpert. Shumpert is not much of a threat to drive on anyone, especially a guy with active hands like Curry, and Shumpert tends to settle for low percentage, mid-range contested jump shots when he looks to score. This way they can even play Iggy on Kyrie and Klay on JR.

I also think we might see a bit more of David Lee. I think he's just the type of player Kerr would not play much in the earlier series just to let him off the hook and throw Cleveland off. We also are forgetting that Speights will be making a return sooner or later in the series, which is yet another problem Cleveland will have to deal with.
I agree with a few of your last points  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 1:59 pm : link
I have Klay on Irving. I think Lee could have a role, especially if Cleveland plays both Mozgov and Thompson after the first quarter.
RE: I agree with a few of your last points  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 2:02 pm : link
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I have Klay on Irving. I think Lee could have a role, especially if Cleveland plays both Mozgov and Thompson after the first quarter.


On switches I think Klay wouldn't be too shabby on Kyrie. However, I think Kerr doesn't want to wear out Klay on defense and guarding JR is far less tiring as he mostly just dances when trying to get his shot off. Iggy is also quicker laterally and Iggy isn't as relied upon offensively.
I'm rooting for the Cavs but I honestly  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 2:08 pm : link
can't see this series lasting too long. All my friends are excited to see a great Finals matchup but from what I've seen, I can't imagine it going more than 5 games. It would be hard to bet Lebron getting completely swept, though. I don't ever remember watching a team in the Finals with an offense as primitive as Cleveland's. I can't remember when a team as bad as this Cleveland team made the Finals.

And on the flip side, this Warriors team is one of the best teams I have ever watched play, and I know all of the point differential metrics back that up. This combo just seems like a perfect storm for GS to just blowout Cleveland in several games.
Wiggins is going to terrorize this league Joe  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 2:40 pm : link
terrorize it.
Wiggins doesn't have the handle and floor vision  
chris r : 6/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
of the other ATG wings.

RE: Wiggins doesn't have the handle and floor vision  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 2:46 pm : link
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of the other ATG wings.


Neither did Iggy or Klay Thompson coming into the league either. From how badly his handle was criticized in college, he has shown how good it can become if he keeps working on it. If he tops out as an Iggy-level player in production, the TWolves are still headed somewhere, and I think he is a much more dynamic scorer than Iggy ever was.
Osi  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 2:48 pm : link
I believe he will be a multi time all star one day. But without grading him on a curve for his age, he sucks at present time. And that's really not that strong a statement. The only thing he brings to the table is the illusion of respectable volume scoring, which is just that.... An illusion, because he's not a respectable volume scorer at this time and couldn't come close to averaging mid teens on a decent team.
Wiggins will never be  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 2:56 pm : link
a PG type who can create for others. But he's going to be an absolutely dominant scorer in this league. And that combined with his inevitable defensive improvements will make him a freak of nature 2-way wing.

Wiggins was 6th in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts this year. No one can stop this guy from getting to the rim. And when he does get to the rim, he can make a poster out of literally everyone in the league as he proved in his epic back-and-forth with Gobert. His ability to get to the rim via his insane first step is undeniable.

And he's got the tools to have the best turnaround jumper this league has seen in a long long long time. It's literally going to be impossible to contest if you don't cheat on D. That will be his go-to move and win him countless playoff games.

.310 3P% -- .760 FT%

That's not good right now for a wing, but for a rookie that's not terrible. Is it really out of the question that he develops into a .360 3P%/.800 FT% shooter?

And although DRPM might not see Wiggins as a great defender, I don't buy that stat too much because Wiggins had the worst interior defense in the league BY FAR behind him. Pekovic and Dieng are garbage defenders. Kevin Martin is pathetic on D. Mo Willaims and Thad Young? Gross.

The Minny D was pathetic this year and it was because their roster sucks on D. Wiggins has all the tools to be a tremendous defender, his rookie year did nothing to stop me from believing that.
the last guy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 3:00 pm : link
who had BOTH a better first-step and a better Max-Reach than Wiggins was?

Nobody in the past 20 years.
RE: Osi  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 3:02 pm : link
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I believe he will be a multi time all star one day. But without grading him on a curve for his age, he sucks at present time. And that's really not that strong a statement. The only thing he brings to the table is the illusion of respectable volume scoring, which is just that.... An illusion, because he's not a respectable volume scorer at this time and couldn't come close to averaging mid teens on a decent team.


Thats really drastic. He was put onto the worst team in the NBA. I understand how important advanced stats are nowadays but those numbers are useless without any context. If he was on a decent team, he would not be forced to create his own shots. Look how good he was when Rubio returned. Tony Allen could average mid-teens if he played 36 a game, I think thats way too harsh to say that he would be trash on a decent team. Its not like any scrub can average 17 a game even on a trash team in the NBA. Where was that player on the Knicks or on the Sixers?

Three of Minny's veteran starters were injured for a majority of the season. Kmart, Pek, and Rubio. When was the last time a #1 picked put up hyper-efficient numbers? Lebron? Thats not a healthy standard to judge a rookie performance by. Not even Anthony Davis or KD was able to achieve that. Its in these situations where the eye test can tell you more than whatever analytical tools can.

Wait till Wiggins goes through proper strength training  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 3:05 pm : link
Davis put on like 30+ pounds of muscle over the last 3 years. Just wait till Wiggins adds a bit more muscle to his frame. These guys don't break out till year 3 or 4.
Osi  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 3:08 pm : link
Defensive RPM adjusts for lineups he appeared with. And the Wolves defense being nearly 4 point better per 100 possessions with him on the bench certainly doesn't paint the picture of someone who is making their team an ounce better defensively. Though on/off is just the more noisy cousin of rpm

I saw maybe 15 wolves games this year. I would never go out of my way to watch them, it was always by happenstance when I was watching more for their opponent that nigh. He has all the tools to be a stopper defensively, but he's not close to there yet. His physical weakness is a real issue right now, and we are still talking about a guy who's kind of aloof. Flip Saunders had to dog him publicly for effort and focus, much like Bill Self last year. Upstairs this dude is way more Vince Carter than he is Kobe. He makes a ton of simple mental errors like losing sight of man and ball, jumping for pump fakes, and just general lack of effort at times

I think he will be very good. All my knocks are based on the present. I don't know that we are talking about a future MVP candidate though. But currently we are also talking about a guy who in 2015 shouldn't even be starting on a good team
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
If wiggins was on a better team he would be on the bench where he belongs. He is a below average nba starter right now. And yes, a ton of guys could score 16-17 ppg if they were top 5 in minutes played with a green light to shoot at will to boot, because their team doesn't care about winning (and even prefers to lose). We should all be way past the point now of being impressed by inefficient volume scoring without context

When you hand the keys to someone that raw, you get exactly what they got. The worst team in the league.
I like how you're  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 3:34 pm : link
defending LeBron the GM now lol.

I've been defending the Love move all year. I don't think it's nearly as bad a trade as people make it out to be. I think people gave Love way too much shit for his performance. His combination of 3pt shooting and rebounding is still completely unique and valuable in this league.

And yes, Wiggins is far from a finished product at this point. He wasn't a very good player this year. He's still just a boy and he definitely needs to get stronger. But I've also seen flashes of real strength from him, so I think with weight training he'll be plenty strong.

Love is a lot better than Wiggins right now, but it was still a bad trade imo. Wiggins is going to be an absolute monster, 27/8/3 + All-D type of MVP candidate. LeBron made a mistake with that trade imo. But if they win a ring this year, it won't matter that much.
i told my friend in the cavs FO from day 1  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 3:41 pm : link
I don't like the Love trade--- for the short term and long term--- its looking better because the knicks gave them 2 wing players for nothing... that bailed out that deal... Wiggins would have given LeBron a defensive rest and make the team more athletic on the wing, which they needed.

I still think it was a silly forced deal to create something that wasn't needed... a big 3.

Also I cant contribute to any conversation when we are discussing Defensive Win shares and pace adjusted individual stats on guys---
I watched wiggins.. hes a good player who could become an excellent player.
Love for me is a good shooting big and gets compiler rebounds.
well  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 3:42 pm : link
it will still matter if they win a title this year, because if they win one Kevin Love is going to have zero impact on winning it.

That trade is going to cost LeBron multiple rings. His window to win titles would have been extended by another 4-5 years with Wiggins
The Knicks  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 3:43 pm : link
made a trade that benefitted them, too. This idea that the Knicks gave away Shumpert and Smith is fucking bullshit. They got rid of a bad contract, that no one in the league wanted. Now all of a sudden people want to hammer the Knicks for that trade. They took the best deal they could get. That tells you what the rest of the league thought about JR Smith
Osi  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 3:43 pm : link
I just look at Lebron as a player already past his peak, and at the back end of his prime. I put a lot of value on this year and the next couple after this for Clevelands window, anything past that is gravy. This way further maximizes their chances in that window. That's why I will still do this move 100 times out of 100. And I mean that in the most objective way possible. I will never regret this move from the Cavs point of view because I'm not looking past 3 years. I couldn't give two shits if I'm cleveland what prime 25-30 year old Wiggins is doing in a half decade
RE: The Knicks  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 3:46 pm : link
In comment 12310002 MookGiants said:
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made a trade that benefitted them, too. This idea that the Knicks gave away Shumpert and Smith is fucking bullshit. They got rid of a bad contract, that no one in the league wanted. Now all of a sudden people want to hammer the Knicks for that trade. They took the best deal they could get. That tells you what the rest of the league thought about JR Smith


maybe nobody wanted it... but the cost and duration were not bad. and the larger point was the cavs got bailed out on the wing by the knicks... whether its a good deal for the knicks or not.
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MookGiants : 6/1/2015 3:48 pm : link
" I couldn't give two shits if I'm cleveland what prime 25-30 year old Wiggins is doing in a half decade"

What a ridiculous statement. It would have significantly increased their chances of winning multiple titles, not just one. And I know they couldn't predict Love getting hurt, but he did not add a whole lot of value to that squad this year. I remember the game in San Antonio where they benched him in the 4th quarter and needed him to come in in overtime and he was down the runway and someone had to go get him.

His 4th quarter performances were abysmal.

That trade didn't make sense on any level, short term, long term, whatever.
To be fair,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/1/2015 3:48 pm : link
the T-Wolves were the worst team in the NBA most likely because their 3 best players played in slightly more than a third of their games.
they got bailed out  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 3:50 pm : link
because they were willing to take a risk that no one in the league wanted to do. The Knicks benefitted by getting rid of JR's contract, which they couldnt do to that point.

Someone else easily could have stopped this if they took JR Smitth for free, Knicks couldnt give him away for free, they had to attach Shumpert

Blame the rest of the league, not the Knicks. It was a good trade for the Knicks considering the value Smtih had around the league
so they saved 6m in a year with mediocre FAs  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 3:52 pm : link
when the cap will rise...
and for that gave up a prospect who can actually defend, something nobody on their team can do.

you can tell me the deal wasn't bad for the knicks but it certainly wasn't good.

Mook  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 3:53 pm : link
What's ridiculous is saying Lebrons window gets extended 4-5 more years. I have as high an opinion of Lebron as anyone, but you need to get a lot more familiar with the history of stars in this sport. Not many of them are doing anything productive past 34/35, and Lebron will have had way more mileage than any of them at that point

love absolutely improves the Cavs chances multi fold in these 5 years, especially since he is way better than wiggins now and figures to be in the first few years. You can't predict he would get hurt by a suspension worthy loose ball foul
The whole Love not adding value thing  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:00 pm : link
Is bunk. 38-3 with him in their post trade starting lineup, he was shooting in the mid 40s from 3 in the months before injury getting over a back issue. They were basically operating at GOAT level for a half season sample with him as their 3rd offensive option and leading rebounder.

He was overrated before this year. He is criminally underrated right now. It's really a joke
RE: Mook  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12310021 MarshallOnMontana said:
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What's ridiculous is saying Lebrons window gets extended 4-5 more years. I have as high an opinion of Lebron as anyone, but you need to get a lot more familiar with the history of stars in this sport. Not many of them are doing anything productive past 34/35, and Lebron will have had way more mileage than any of them at that point

love absolutely improves the Cavs chances multi fold in these 5 years, especially since he is way better than wiggins now and figures to be in the first few years. You can't predict he would get hurt by a suspension worthy loose ball foul


Lebron, unlike many other wing players, is capable of moving to the 4 in his later years. Kobe can't play a big spot and thus he is a big liability when he can't keep up with some of the younger guards. Lebron, however, can still potentially be a top 10 player just being a stretch 4, which can mask some of his defensive limitations once his athleticism seeps. Lebron at 38 may still be more athletic than your average PF in his 20s.
RE: The whole Love not adding value thing  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12310028 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Is bunk. 38-3 with him in their post trade starting lineup, he was shooting in the mid 40s from 3 in the months before injury getting over a back issue. They were basically operating at GOAT level for a half season sample with him as their 3rd offensive option and leading rebounder.


They dominated the playoffs without him so far. The thing is right now they are getting the shooting from all his fill-ins, which if they get against GS - they can give them a series.

I dont know the rebounding numbers with/without him but with Thompson and Lebron playing the 4, they seem to be rebounding better than ever.
RE: Osi  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12310003 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I just look at Lebron as a player already past his peak, and at the back end of his prime. I put a lot of value on this year and the next couple after this for Clevelands window, anything past that is gravy. This way further maximizes their chances in that window. That's why I will still do this move 100 times out of 100. And I mean that in the most objective way possible. I will never regret this move from the Cavs point of view because I'm not looking past 3 years. I couldn't give two shits if I'm cleveland what prime 25-30 year old Wiggins is doing in a half decade


"I couldn't give two shits if I'm cleveland what prime 25-30 year old Wiggins is doing in a half decade".

False. I think in 5 years from now, every Cavs fan, player, and management member will start to worry about whats next after Lebron. With Wiggins, that may not have been an issue because Kyrie and Tristan Thompson will still be in their prime years and that gives them about another 5 years of overlap after Lebron starts declining to still compete.

I think within 2 years, if Wiggins was not traded, he could've been at least a league average 3 point shooter, capable of playing SG and guarding opposing 2's, and averaging 15+ PPG. That would essentially be the production Love is providing. Playing Thompson at the 4 would replicate Love's rebounding production and give you much better defense. It would not be hard to sign or trade for a stretch 4 that could give you another 8-10 PPG off the bench.

Heck, Anthony Bennett might've been able to become a solid rotational player next to Lebron.
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:11 pm : link
We've already seen peak Lebron. The notion that he's as good as ever now (which he said today) is fantasy. And each passing year will only get gradually worse. Lebron will never be a guy who lives out of the post. He only does it often in the playoffs, because it's too much wear and year in the regular season on his back, which has become a chronic issue. To anyone who watches Lebron closely enough, he has already lost a half step and it's highly doubtful he's going to be anything more than a nice support player in 5-6 years. And that's not even talking about the fact that with age comes the odds of serious injury increasing, and one misstep can hangs everything.
You guys hating on this trade  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:15 pm : link
Are basically prioritizing the window of 35-38 year old Lebron, who could be modern Kobe for all we know, over that of 30-33 year old Lebron. That's unfathomable to me
RE: 44ab  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:17 pm : link
In comment 12310048 MarshallOnMontana said:
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We've already seen peak Lebron. The notion that he's as good as ever now (which he said today) is fantasy. And each passing year will only get gradually worse. Lebron will never be a guy who lives out of the post. He only does it often in the playoffs, because it's too much wear and year in the regular season on his back, which has become a chronic issue. To anyone who watches Lebron closely enough, he has already lost a half step and it's highly doubtful he's going to be anything more than a nice support player in 5-6 years. And that's not even talking about the fact that with age comes the odds of serious injury increasing, and one misstep can hangs everything.


Lebron at 80% is still probably the best player in the league. Maybe Davis surpasses him but his teams aren't going to be performing at the level of these Cavs anytime soon.

Hasn't played on the post? Are you fucking kidding me? Have you not watched Lebron the past 3 years? Or even this year? The only shots that go in for him on a consistent basis are shots ARE his post takes. Miami won their 2 championships with Lebron at the 4 and Bosh at the 5.
RE: You guys hating on this trade  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12310053 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Are basically prioritizing the window of 35-38 year old Lebron, who could be modern Kobe for all we know, over that of 30-33 year old Lebron. That's unfathomable to me


No, I agreed with you, AT THE TIME, it was a no brainer trade to make.

But if we are playing God and can go back into time and redo it, Cleveland without question would do it. This team has operated much better defensively without Love and would have had more depth, more perimeter defense, AND more potential 5 years down the line if they did not go for Love.
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:25 pm : link
I'm confident in saying I watch Lebron more than you. And I'm confident in saying you don't know what you're talking about if you think he operates out of the post much at all outside of the playoffs. By his own admission he does not like to play much from the post to save wear and tear on his back, which has been a chronic issue for 2 years now. He even has publicly voiced his aversion to avoid playing much out of the post outside of select playoff moments

And no, Lebron at 80% isn't the best player in the league. No one is. Hell Lebron at this moment in time has declined to a point where he is still the best player, but he's not on his own planet any more. Anyone who thinks he's as good as 09-14 isn't paying attention
RE: 44ab  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12310069 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I'm confident in saying I watch Lebron more than you. And I'm confident in saying you don't know what you're talking about if you think he operates out of the post much at all outside of the playoffs. By his own admission he does not like to play much from the post to save wear and tear on his back, which has been a chronic issue for 2 years now. He even has publicly voiced his aversion to avoid playing much out of the post outside of select playoff moments

And no, Lebron at 80% isn't the best player in the league. No one is. Hell Lebron at this moment in time has declined to a point where he is still the best player, but he's not on his own planet any more. Anyone who thinks he's as good as 09-14 isn't paying attention


I never said he is, but he still is the best player in the league. And yes, you are right, he can't play the 4 the whole entire season. But guess what, when the games matter he does. How many times did Love sit in favor of Lebron at the 4 when games got close? Almost every competitive night that happened.

So you're saying you'd trade one of the most intriguing 2 way prospects in the game for a 4 who is only a filler until the game gets close and its time for Lebron to operate from the 4 as well?

Not a chance. Get Channing Frye. Get Ilyasova. Any stretch 4 could fill in those minutes to give Lebron a break until the game gets close and Lebron needs to play the 4 for Cleveland to win.
outside of his Jumper  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 4:33 pm : link
I'd say LeBron has been playing about as well as ever in these playoffs.

Just like LeBron's J is streaky, it seems like his physical ability has become the same way over the past few years. During some months, he looks visibly tired and looks like his athleticism has really declined. But then other months the guy looks similar to what he's always looked like, making plays no on else on the planet can think of attempting.

LeBron worst season as a stay before this year was his 1st year with Miami. Once he got comfortable, he returned to a dominant level of play. I expect LeBron to be better next year than he was this year. I expect him to win the MVP again next year. So I'm not ready to count out Prime LeBron just yet, he still has 4 more years of this left imo.
After three rounds of these playoffs  
Audible : 6/1/2015 4:35 pm : link
I'm ready for a 66 game season. I don't know if the NBA is able to take that step when neither the owners nor the players are going to want to take a proportional financial hit (which is mostly an attendance and local TV impact - the NBA can still broadcast the same # of national TV games and the same # of playoff games), especially considering that the union has what appears to be actual competent leadership for once.

But as a fan, I'm ready for it. The human body, pushed to the absolute limits of what is athletically possible, is not designed to withstand the rigors of an 82 game season plus the postseason. Maybe it was possible a generation ago when athletic training wasn't so hyper-focused, or when rule changes and analytics hadn't conspired (maybe not the right word - I don't think the evolution of the game is something that can be steered with 100% accuracy) to transform NBA basketball into this free-flowing athletic gauntlet, but we're here now and we see the results.

The teams that make it through the season healthy seem to fall into three camps. Either your team is bad enough that your players don't feel the need to go pedal-to-the-metal every game, or your team is a contender but your coach is willing to rest guys and sacrifice individual games in pursuit of the long-term goal (see: Popovich), or your team is the Warriors, who were so good that Kerr was regularly able to rest Curry and other starters for entire fourth quarters because Golden State was so far ahead. Almost everyone else either failed to make it through the season without a significant injury or promptly suffered one upon arriving in the playoffs. There's never going to be a season where every team gets through completely unscathed - injuries happen - but I think the pendulum has swung too far.

Set up a 66 game season. You play everyone in your division four times, you play everyone else twice. The actual length of the season can remain the same - maybe a week or two shorter - but there's no more back-to-backs. I'd also consider putting a season-long minutes cap on players, where no player can account for more than 3/4 of his team's minutes during the regular season, to help prevent teams from running stars into the ground, but that seems more interventionist (because it has a more tangible effect on a team's minutes distribution), so I would prefer to see the shorter season first.

I know not everyone is going to agree with this, and that's fine - I don't particularly expect a shorter season to happen anyway. But the 82-game grind makes it really hard to get excited about the playoffs in January or February when I have to wonder whether half of the stars are even going to be healthy enough to play at close to 100% come April and May. I think the league can do better.
The whole notion that Channing frye or ilyasova  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:36 pm : link
Are even diet kevin love is unreal

You guys are under rating him so much it's absurd. All behind a talking point over 4th quarter playing time which is even greatly exaggerated to boot
RE: After three rounds of these playoffs  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12310088 Audible said:
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I'm ready for a 66 game season. I don't know if the NBA is able to take that step when neither the owners nor the players are going to want to take a proportional financial hit (which is mostly an attendance and local TV impact - the NBA can still broadcast the same # of national TV games and the same # of playoff games), especially considering that the union has what appears to be actual competent leadership for once.

But as a fan, I'm ready for it. The human body, pushed to the absolute limits of what is athletically possible, is not designed to withstand the rigors of an 82 game season plus the postseason. Maybe it was possible a generation ago when athletic training wasn't so hyper-focused, or when rule changes and analytics hadn't conspired (maybe not the right word - I don't think the evolution of the game is something that can be steered with 100% accuracy) to transform NBA basketball into this free-flowing athletic gauntlet, but we're here now and we see the results.

The teams that make it through the season healthy seem to fall into three camps. Either your team is bad enough that your players don't feel the need to go pedal-to-the-metal every game, or your team is a contender but your coach is willing to rest guys and sacrifice individual games in pursuit of the long-term goal (see: Popovich), or your team is the Warriors, who were so good that Kerr was regularly able to rest Curry and other starters for entire fourth quarters because Golden State was so far ahead. Almost everyone else either failed to make it through the season without a significant injury or promptly suffered one upon arriving in the playoffs. There's never going to be a season where every team gets through completely unscathed - injuries happen - but I think the pendulum has swung too far.

Set up a 66 game season. You play everyone in your division four times, you play everyone else twice. The actual length of the season can remain the same - maybe a week or two shorter - but there's no more back-to-backs. I'd also consider putting a season-long minutes cap on players, where no player can account for more than 3/4 of his team's minutes during the regular season, to help prevent teams from running stars into the ground, but that seems more interventionist (because it has a more tangible effect on a team's minutes distribution), so I would prefer to see the shorter season first.

I know not everyone is going to agree with this, and that's fine - I don't particularly expect a shorter season to happen anyway. But the 82-game grind makes it really hard to get excited about the playoffs in January or February when I have to wonder whether half of the stars are even going to be healthy enough to play at close to 100% come April and May. I think the league can do better.


I'm totally with this. The lockout season was honestly the best regular season I can remember. The end of the NBA season is just stupid, its hard to watch. Most of the top seeds are set, March Madness is on, and I could care less about regular season basketball. Give a week off during the Final Four and start the playoffs right after.
RE: The whole notion that Channing frye or ilyasova  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12310091 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Are even diet kevin love is unreal

You guys are under rating him so much it's absurd. All behind a talking point over 4th quarter playing time which is even greatly exaggerated to boot


They are not. But for what Kevin Love is doing in Cleveland isn't good for him or for the Cavs based on how much they are paying him.

How is the 4th quarter playing time irrelevant? Its basically saying "oh we are paying you top 10 player money so we are going to give you a bunch of minutes in the first 3 quarters, but when the game gets close and we want to win, here is your spot on the bench".

Love would be ideal on a team that is good defensively but desperately, be that a team like Milwaukee, Washington, or Chicago. Cleveland isn't an ideal fit. Its a force fit. He still provides good numbers, but for the marginal benefit he gives over a mid-level stretch 4 in this system is not worth it at that money.
* desperately  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:44 pm : link
needs offensive creativity
Osi  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:47 pm : link
"Outside of his jumper"

Problem is his jumper has always run hot and cold, and now he has to rely on it more than ever. He has absolutely lost a step quickness wise and some lift to boot. His dunk totals plummeted this season to career lows, and they were greatly inflated by early leak outs on defense (he basket hung a bunch at times this year) and outlet passes from Love. He probably didn't dunk 15 times in the half court all year. Shot attempts in general in the restricted area are down, and he's finishing at a far lower rate there than in recent years too. The days of him shooting mid 50s percentage wise are over

He's still the best player. But he's no longer totally without peer. This is post baseball retirement MJ phase
In re: all this LeBron in the post stuff  
Audible : 6/1/2015 4:52 pm : link
Part of the reason he went back to Cleveland in the first place (not all of it, but part of it) is because LeBron wants to be the point forward. Ultimately LeBron fits the archetype of every other star player with a handle in the history of the NBA, insofar as he wants the ball in his hands. His mindset once he gets the ball may trend more toward playmaking for others, which is part of what differentiates him, but the reason Cleveland's offense in the playoffs has featured a heavy diet of ISO and high pick-and-roll is in part because LeBron likes sets that initiate with him handling the ball above the break. Cleveland's roster issues have exaggerated that tendency even further, but it was always there. The same was true in Miami - it took LeBron losing in the Finals before he was really receptive to trying another way. We probably won't see a heavy diet of LeBron post-ups in Cleveland until/unless he's convinced that LeBron at point forward isn't going to work.

And we've probably already seen the last of peak LeBron. Athletically, he's still a force to be reckoned with, but he isn't the player who led the entire NBA in both volume and efficiency at the rim, and he will probably never be that player again. It doesn't mean he can't be in the MVP conversation for years to come, but if he is, that value will have to be increasingly a product of his skill and basketball IQ rather than being a sheer force of nature.
I didn't say love not playing in the 4th was irrelevant  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:54 pm : link
I said it was exaggerated. And it absolutely was. Love played in crunch time more often than he didn't. The notion that he sat all 4ths or even a majority of them is a lie. Whether willfull or not. I'm not assuming willfull, because I'm assuming you didn't watchful Cavs much outside of national TV games this year, and maybe you just got that perception from a few high profile examples Ike that amazing spurs game where Kyrie dropped 57). His production dropped off in 4tb quarters (I think he actually led the Cavs in 1st quarter scoring), but his spacing was key. That's why they often got him those shots early in the game to estaish that spacing around Lebron and Kyrie so they could do the closing with room to operate. Don't think missing love isn't effecting Lebrons fg% too

Kevin Love absolutely added value to Cleveland this year
Man I hate my phone  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 4:58 pm : link
That last post is a mess. Auto corrects and other nonsense. My bad with the grammar
RE: In re: all this LeBron in the post stuff  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12310116 Audible said:
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Part of the reason he went back to Cleveland in the first place (not all of it, but part of it) is because LeBron wants to be the point forward. Ultimately LeBron fits the archetype of every other star player with a handle in the history of the NBA, insofar as he wants the ball in his hands. His mindset once he gets the ball may trend more toward playmaking for others, which is part of what differentiates him, but the reason Cleveland's offense in the playoffs has featured a heavy diet of ISO and high pick-and-roll is in part because LeBron likes sets that initiate with him handling the ball above the break. Cleveland's roster issues have exaggerated that tendency even further, but it was always there. The same was true in Miami - it took LeBron losing in the Finals before he was really receptive to trying another way. We probably won't see a heavy diet of LeBron post-ups in Cleveland until/unless he's convinced that LeBron at point forward isn't going to work.

And we've probably already seen the last of peak LeBron. Athletically, he's still a force to be reckoned with, but he isn't the player who led the entire NBA in both volume and efficiency at the rim, and he will probably never be that player again. It doesn't mean he can't be in the MVP conversation for years to come, but if he is, that value will have to be increasingly a product of his skill and basketball IQ rather than being a sheer force of nature.


Regardless of whether he is posting up or attacking off the dribble, Kevin Love is relegated to a stretch 4. When Mozgov or TT are on the court, that clogs up the lane and thus Love doesn't fit playing down low when Lebron is on the court. Love became a 26/12/5 guy operating primarily from the block, but Cleveland wants him to be a floor spacer. While he is still one of the best in the league in that, he is not worth $100M if that is what he is going to become in Cleveland.
Kinda wish I could see Kevin Love  
Audible : 6/1/2015 5:00 pm : link
on a team with Rudy Gobert. Utah is probably the least likely destination for Love - not even worth considering - but I can have my fever dream of Gobert next to a real playmaking 4.

Utah was sneaky good this year after ditching Kanter. I would not be at all surprised if they make the playoffs next year, especially depending on what happens in Portland and Dallas this offseason.
RE: Kinda wish I could see Kevin Love  
giantsfan44ab : 6/1/2015 5:02 pm : link
In comment 12310130 Audible said:
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on a team with Rudy Gobert. Utah is probably the least likely destination for Love - not even worth considering - but I can have my fever dream of Gobert next to a real playmaking 4.

Utah was sneaky good this year after ditching Kanter. I would not be at all surprised if they make the playoffs next year, especially depending on what happens in Portland and Dallas this offseason.


Zach Lowe was proposing them to make moves for Lawson, which could be intriguing.

I want to see Love on a team like Washington. Washington has great defensive pieces around him, and him and Wall could become a great combo, and Beal as your third wheel. Porter is looking like a great glue guy in the Demarre Carrol mold.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He will bring offensive rebounds  
santacruzom : 6/1/2015 5:07 pm : link
In comment 12309801 giantsfan44ab said:
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Sorry, a little confused, do you mean forcing Lebron to shoot jumpers? If you meant Lebron, well he is shooting 36% on mid-range jumpers and 18% on 3 point shots. So yes, as of now I think that's exactly what GS is going to try doing.


There have been quite a few guys on local radio shows who've advocated that the Warriors just let LeBron average 40+ points per game all series if they have to and just don't double him often. They recognize that such a strategy is easier said than done -- most coaches or players don't stick with it once that player has scored 4-5 trips down. But the Warriors might just be nervy enough to try it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He will bring offensive rebounds  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 5:13 pm : link
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In comment 12309801 giantsfan44ab said:


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Sorry, a little confused, do you mean forcing Lebron to shoot jumpers? If you meant Lebron, well he is shooting 36% on mid-range jumpers and 18% on 3 point shots. So yes, as of now I think that's exactly what GS is going to try doing.



There have been quite a few guys on local radio shows who've advocated that the Warriors just let LeBron average 40+ points per game all series if they have to and just don't double him often. They recognize that such a strategy is easier said than done -- most coaches or players don't stick with it once that player has scored 4-5 trips down. But the Warriors might just be nervy enough to try it.


PaulBlakeTSU and I said the same thing. Let lebron get his, limit his teammates. I think it's widely known that lebron best skill is his passing. I think there is some merit to that thinking.
That has been the Doc Rivers Celtic strategy  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 5:27 pm : link
And the Stan Van Gundy strategy. They've both been very vocal about their aversion to doubling Lebron over the years. because he is too good a passer, and too robotic in his desire to make the right basketball play and find the open shot. Cant sucker him into low percentage looks like a Kobe draped by defenders.

The results have been about as you expected. Lebron has gone off against Boston (when rivers was coach) from a pure scoring standpoint over the years. Some of his highest scoring playoff games against them too, dropped 45 twice at the Boston garden. Averaging over 30 per game against them in a couple series. He averaged 38 per game very efficiently in that epic 09 eastern final vs van gundys magic. But the result on his shooters have been as expected. They've generally not gotten off whatsoever in these handful of series I am discussing
and by the rivers celtics  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 5:37 pm : link
I'm mainly referring to those playoff series after Thibs was off his staff. Not the 2008 and 2010 series when Thibs was basically the basketball version of a defensive coordinator. Back then the Celts didn't directly double much either, but they loved those strong side overloads that Thibs routinely employed in Chicago.
RE: You guys hating on this trade  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12310053 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Are basically prioritizing the window of 35-38 year old Lebron, who could be modern Kobe for all we know, over that of 30-33 year old Lebron. That's unfathomable to me


They traded Wiggins for a loser stat padder. They did not get a grwat player by any stretch, and he relly was not that important of a player when he did play this year.

Keeping Woggins would have not only extended their window, byt may have opened it up in the present, too. Ill bet next year Wiggins would have been more valuable to Cavs than Love.

The trade made sero sense on any level. Kevin Love is a loser.
The problem with the trade  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 5:59 pm : link
is that they did what they thought was best for Lebron not the Cavs.

With Wiggins, they are still in the finals and would have Irving/Wiggins duo for the next 10 years. However, they felt like Lebron had 3-4 years left, and try to maximize it.

If they win 2 titles, it was worth it. If they dont and Lebron doesnt win 1 in Cleveland, then it was a bad trade.
and guys like LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 5:59 pm : link
never had potential top 5 player in game in their prime to play with at age 35-38.

LeBron will have zero shot to win titles at that age now. And that Love trade did not dramatically increase their chances this year.

Your Kevin Love nonsense  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 6:21 pm : link
Couldn't be more poorly argued. It's just a mix of lazy analysis ("he's a Loser stat padder, never been to the playoffs!") and factual inaccuracies ("they don't even play him in the 4th quarter!"). A sight to behold,. Guy was a key cog on a team who went 38-3 post trades with their set starting 5. In other words, GOAT level pace for half a season. And he had a true shooting percentage over 60% in those games with double digit rebounds. But no, when healthy he doesn't maximize their window over a guy like Wiggins, who isn't even good at the moment to anyone paying attention. They can replace him with Channing Frye. It's insane how the mob mentality around Love has devolved to this level of insanity

And the whole fantasy with Lebron at age 36-37 leading title contending teams next to a Wiggins is just that. Basketball players are not NFL qbs, nor are they baseball players. Lebron is more likely than not to be a mess physical at that age. If he was still playing on a high level (and I mean legit high level, not Jordan wizard stat padding) he would be in unbelievably small company. And when you take mileage into account to date, the company is non existent. By the time Lebron is 34/35 he will be pretty much in uncharted territory career minutes wise, including plAyoffs
MOM!  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/1/2015 6:33 pm : link
Welcome back. You're a great NBA contributor.
RE: To be fair,  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12310012 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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the T-Wolves were the worst team in the NBA most likely because their 3 best players played in slightly more than a third of their games.


Their biggest loss this season was Kevin Love. Even with the injuries they probably win double digit more games without that trade, and that's being conservative. That's how much more value he adds to a team than Wiggins at this time. Last year Love dragged a team that was despicably bad with him off the court to a top 10 SRS. They were just unlucky to be in the West and lost a ton of close heartbreakers on top of it. There's no way in hell they go 16-66 with Love in 2015
Love  
MookGiants : 6/1/2015 7:56 pm : link
as of the Spurs game in San Antonio was averaging two points per 4th quarter.
I agree that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:08 pm : link
LeBron is in the "2nd 3-peat MJ" stage of his career. He's no longer going to dominate the league based on pure athleticism over the course of 100 games. He doesn't have that Westbrookian energy he used to have back in '09/'10. But he is still an absolutely amazing athlete.

Giannis (95 dunks in 81 games)
LeBron (88 dunks in 69 games)
Wiggins (79 dunks in 82 games)

Those were the Top 3 wing dunkers in the league this year. No one else had 70+ (Barnes and Iggy were 4th and 5th with 66 and 64 respectively, sneaky athletic role playing wings on that GSW team).

On a per game basis, he's still the most prolific dunking wing player in the sport. And iirc, his dunk totals were absurdly low before his "vacation". Ever since he came back from that vacay, I'm pretty sure he's been dunking at a 120+ per 80 pace which isn't far off from his usual number. He's still a freak of nature even if he's not an immortal anymore.

Audible mentioned that LeBron is no longer the leader in volume + efficiency at the rim and will never be that guy again...

LeBron's Rank in FGM + FG% Inside of 3ft since '09*:
09: 1st in FGM -- 3rd in FG%
10: 1st in FGM -- 2nd in FG%

11: 5th in FGM -- 12th in FG%
12: 2nd in FGM -- 4th in FG%
13: 1st in FGM -- 2nd in FG%
14: 1st in FGM -- 2nd in FG%

15: 6th in FGM -- 11th in FG%

*FG% only includes those in the Top 100 in terms of FGM

So yea, there does seem to be a slight dip in LeBron's ability to finish at the rim. But he was still absolutely near the top of the league at this area of the game still. And like I mentioned earlier, I don't think it would be out of the question for LeBron to have a better year next season due to the fact that he's still feeling his way on this new Cleveland team. It's not a coincidence that LeBron's worst season in terms of finishing at the rim (and in general) before this one was his 1st season in Miami.

LeBron can still finish with the best of them. He may have lost a half-step and he may not have energy reserves like he used to, but he's still the best athlete in the sport.

The real problem with LeBron is that after a decade of working on his shot, he's still a mediocre shooter. He was a 71% FT shooter this year! That's just pathetic for what it should be at this point in his career. He should be an 80-85% FT shooter and be automatic from the mid-range. But all those years of practice and the man has actually gotten worse with his shot at the line, and not really improved much with his mid-range and deep shooting.

LeBron's J has been just pathetic in this year's playoffs. Sure he's had a slight athletic decline this year, but he's still the most athletic player in the sport. The real story with him is his Jumper being a huge hole in his overall skills package (the GOAT skills package outside of the Jumper).

The Warriors are going to dare LeBron to shoot. And he's going to need to make them. He's already lost 2 Finals where his lack of confidence in and inability to make his Jumper ultimately killed his team. He cannot make it 3x with that same hole in his game costing him the ultimte prize.
TLDR  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:11 pm : link
the athleticism dip thing is valid but overhyped.

The real story with LeBron is his Jumper. He needs to hit his fucking jumper in this series or else the Warriors will annihilate the Cavs.
Why does everything have to be goat  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 8:13 pm : link
With the new advanced stat crazy fan-
I have watched and played a lot of basketball and not everything going on in the current nba is goat this and goat that.
There is barely one center in the nba that consistently block a shot but we hear about goat defense- half the guys can't even do a proper shell drill--- then golden state wins 67 games and they are a goat team- the playoffs have been barely watchable- I hate hockey but have enjoyed that more- goat this goat that- how bout just watch the game and judge based on what we are seeing not based on advanced stats every discussion.

Mook  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 8:16 pm : link
That's a stat they gave out on that telecast, and I remember it when they stated it. He didn't play in crunch time of that game either (though it was revealed in postgame he had a back injury). But with that stat you basically confirmed my suspicion. You are basing this Kevin Love 4th quarter narrative on select random examples from high profile national TV games, not watching them on a game by game basis. And youre making inferences based on his 4th quarter scoring average (he did not shoot the ball well in 4th quarters this year, but he was out there.) If you did see them regularly you would know he played in the 4th quarter in crunch time more often than not. Hell, in the last full game he played he was draining key threes down the stretch to go up 3-0 on Boston.

At one point late this year he was leading the Cavs in first quarter scoring average. I'm not sure if he finished the year doing that, but as of post all star break he was. And that's not insignificant, as the first quarter just happens to be the most predictive quarter in an nba game. They would always look to get him off early in the game and get him looks to establish spacing that teams have to respect, giving Lebron and Kyrie the room to operate down the stretch. Not much different than how Bosh was used in Miami. In crunch time he didn't shoot it well this year, and he could go through stretches where he was phased out of the offense as Lebron and Kyrie take turns. But him merely being out there dragged defenders out of the paint for them

Love has gone from overrated to underrated with record speed. People spending all this time on what he's not, without seeing he's still currently such a more valuable piece than Wiggins it's disgusting. They aren't comparable in 2015
GOAT is overused  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:16 pm : link
but GSW were an all-time great regular season team and LeBron is an all-time great.

Does using all-time instead of GOAT really make things so much better? GOAT's more fun to use than all-time, especially when it makes sense.

LeBron is arguably the GOAT athlete to ever step foot on an NBA court
Curry/Thompson is the GOAT shooting backcourt in NBA history by a mile

GOAT
Ha fair  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 8:20 pm : link
I love your bball posting

You understand my point though I think.

For instance your rockets. We hear about the great western conference as some goat conference but the playoffs sucked and these rockets made the conf finals and would get swept by the
If 90s rockets so fast it would be disgusting.
So are things right now really that great? Unclear. Statistics are better because the athlete is more trained- the basketball teams- a few are.
Hitdog  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 8:20 pm : link
If you can't see that today's defenses are more effective for a million reasons, and can't detect the talet pool is significantly deeper post global boom and less expansion than any sport in 2 decades, then I don't want to hear about your eye test because your eyes suck

I base most of what I believe on my eyes too. I only use stats to back up positions my eyes hold rather than stating something without support.
I really wish Rose never got hurt  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 8:23 pm : link
Him and Butler would rival GS backcourt. But injuries have stopped that.
Disagree  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 8:24 pm : link
Without being derogatory
Amazing skill to acquire
RE: Ha fair  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:28 pm : link
In comment 12310300 hitdog42 said:
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I love your bball posting

You understand my point though I think.

For instance your rockets. We hear about the great western conference as some goat conference but the playoffs sucked and these rockets made the conf finals and would get swept by the
If 90s rockets so fast it would be disgusting.
So are things right now really that great? Unclear. Statistics are better because the athlete is more trained- the basketball teams- a few are.


It's such a different game. The 3pt line has completely changed the way the game works.

The 3pt line was introduced in the NBA in 1980. Most playgrounds probably didn't have a 3pt line until years after that. So basically only players born after 1980 or so are used to playing on courts with 3pt lines as kids.

If you transported those old shcool teams in today's league and had them play the same style, they'd get destroyed by today's teams who know how to utlize the 3pt line and understand floor spacing at a far greater level.

Ironic that you used the '95 Rockets as an example though, as they are one of the teams that were way ahead of the time from a floor spacing aspect. They understood that the best way to give Hakeem space to operate was giving him shooters who'd kill opponents for double teams.
Yeah I have to agree  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 8:29 pm : link
the playoffs, especially out west have been a major disappointment. Rockets had a nice comeback against LA, but the majority of those games were unwatchable.
the game is less  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:30 pm : link
about team passing and interior toughness and more about spacing and shooting now. Blame the 3pt line on that.
RE: RE: Ha fair  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 8:31 pm : link
In comment 12310308 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 12310300 hitdog42 said:


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I love your bball posting

You understand my point though I think.

For instance your rockets. We hear about the great western conference as some goat conference but the playoffs sucked and these rockets made the conf finals and would get swept by the
If 90s rockets so fast it would be disgusting.
So are things right now really that great? Unclear. Statistics are better because the athlete is more trained- the basketball teams- a few are.



It's such a different game. The 3pt line has completely changed the way the game works.

The 3pt line was introduced in the NBA in 1980. Most playgrounds probably didn't have a 3pt line until years after that. So basically only players born after 1980 or so are used to playing on courts with 3pt lines as kids.

If you transported those old shcool teams in today's league and had them play the same style, they'd get destroyed by today's teams who know how to utlize the 3pt line and understand floor spacing at a far greater level.

Ironic that you used the '95 Rockets as an example though, as they are one of the teams that were way ahead of the time from a floor spacing aspect. They understood that the best way to give Hakeem space to operate was giving him shooters who'd kill opponents for double teams.


But you would have to let them play their style of game as well. Lets face it, the game was much more physical in the 80s and 90s and you wouldnt be flopping around like the stars do today in order to get calls.
dep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:37 pm : link
I'm less sure about the 80s teams beating modern teams in an 80s environment than I am the opposite. Obviously the modern teams would have to adjust to the rules and dribble-penetration which is so key to today's game would be less effective, but they're just so much more ahead of the curve when it comes to utilizing the space on the court that I'd give today's teams a fair chance in an 80s environment.

Now today's teams in a 70s pre-3pt line environment? Different story. The Warriors would be demolished by the Reed/Frazier Knicks in that setting.
There is one area and only one area  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 8:38 pm : link
Where we can compare eras on a purely apples to apples basis. A free throw is an uncontested 15 foot shot. Has been forever. We can accurately assess a collective leagues ability to hit an open 15 footer in any given season. Not a perfect measure into collective league strength or skill level, but not irrelevant either

It should be of surprise to no one that the 5 worst free throw shooting seasons since the merger, as well as 6 of the top 7 worst, all occurred during the 1990s. A time where the league clearly expanded well beyond the talent pool that they had to support it, and the average plAyer was probably worse than at any point in the last 35 years. They added 6 teams in the heart of Jordan's prime, at a time where the global talent base was bArely existent.
I think the difference in the game  
hitdog42 : 6/1/2015 8:38 pm : link
Which you have identified- makes blanket statements about the greatness of today's game a bit short sited-- different games.
I may be in the minority  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 8:42 pm : link
but I still think the 80s was still the best basketball with the best players to come out of the NBA. And forget the legends. I think a guy like Mullin today would be just out of this world awesome. His shot was made for todays era. Plus he could drive and do it all.

There was just something about those players. There intensity and desire to win exceeded their skill. And I am not trying to diminish todays players whatsoever. I just think if you interchanged the 80s with now, the game would be better to watch.
there are 2 different games  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:44 pm : link
but they've mastered the "3pt line game" to a far greater degree in 2015 than they did in 1995 or 1985.

just because we know more  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/1/2015 8:46 pm : link
about what works and what doesn't. Today's game SHOULD be smarter, that's not a shot at yesterday's teams.
Defense  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 8:53 pm : link
Even by the admission of stars from that day. Larry Bird has commented on the fact that possession to possession defensive focus is one of the biggest differences in today's league compared to when he played. And people can talk about physicality based on some hard fouls, that doesn't necessarily equate to great defense though. It just wasn't as stressed at that time. Once the Pistons won back to back with a roster that was seen as under talented for a squad of that prowess, it became a copycat league and defense progressively got better. But that also coincided with expansion after their run, which put a drain onthe talent pool. They barely even had advanced scouting in the 80s, and they certainly had nothing near as in depth as today from a scouting standpoint.
I would also say  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:00 pm : link
I have a tough time calling any period with almost an exclusive American player presence the best ever. There are a ton more people outside of our borders than in them, and their increasing interest and participation in the sport has only led to an exponentially deeper talent pool. The league is damn near 30% foreign born right now, do you guys have any idea what this league would look like today if you just took that out and replaced them with lesser qualified Americans? That's like calling an era of baseball that didn't have Latins or blacks the best ever. The NBA is now about the best players in the world. Increasingly moreso with each passing year. Last years Spurs had more foreign born players than the entire league had in the 80s
Jordan's rookie year  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 9:13 pm : link
had only 23 teams in the NBA. And a draft restriction. So while there may not have been foreign players, the league may not have been as diluted as you think.

I checked out the rookies of the year in the 80s(and Bird in 79), these guys were legitimate all-star candidates and MVP type players right from the get go.

And while there are more foriegn born players in the NBA now, its still dominated by American born players. There were only 2 foreign born players on the All-NBA teams this year (gasol brothers), last year there were only 2 (not including Noah who grew up in USA). Its still an American game.
Dep  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:21 pm : link
I don't think the 80s was diluted. There are ways to argue against that time period as the greatest ever, but that's not one of them. The dilution came in the heart of Jordan's prime, as they expanded from 23 to 29 between 88-96, and did so before the global boom or any other source to support it

It's still an American game, but the foreign imprint is vast, and virtually every team has a key player(s) from beyond our borders. They are rapidly approaching being 1/3 of the NBA. That's significant. Within ten years they'll probably make up half the league. There's a whole big world out there and more kids than ever are playing. The reigning champs had like 10 foreign born players on their team last year. At times, they would play lineup combinations where not a single American player was even on the floor.

It was a game changer. Guys like Jordan and Magic and Bird helped create this monster, and it was one of their greatest gifts to the league. But they didn't compete against it
By "it was a game changer"  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:23 pm : link
I meant the global boom in general. Not last years spurs run. Arranged that poorly
By  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:24 pm : link
I meant the global boom in general. Not last years spurs run. Arranged that poorly
The 90s game  
dep026 : 6/1/2015 9:27 pm : link
reminded me of playground basketball. But the one thing about the 90s game was that some awesome players came from that time, even though their primes werent exhibited into the 2000s...

kobe, allen, pierce, dirk, duncan, garnett, iverson, kidd, nash, shaq, carter, mcgrady. Thats a star studded group.
Dep  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 9:36 pm : link
The greatest players in the 90s would still be great today. That's not even a question. My knock on that era is just the strength of the average player, which I think was at its worst post NBA merger. Fringe NBA types who are just on the outside of the league today would have had lengthy caress in that era before the foreign talent influx. If Aaron Craft (former Ohio state player, just using an example) came up in the early to mid 90s during a time where he wasn't competing with the foreign born talent for roster spots, he probably has a 12 year career as a backup defensive PG off somebody's bench. He's not in the D league and eventually overseas. Someone like Andy Rautins from cuse probably plays a decade
RE: There is one area and only one area  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/1/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12310318 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Where we can compare eras on a purely apples to apples basis. A free throw is an uncontested 15 foot shot. Has been forever. We can accurately assess a collective leagues ability to hit an open 15 footer in any given season. Not a perfect measure into collective league strength or skill level, but not irrelevant either

It should be of surprise to no one that the 5 worst free throw shooting seasons since the merger, as well as 6 of the top 7 worst, all occurred during the 1990s. A time where the league clearly expanded well beyond the talent pool that they had to support it, and the average plAyer was probably worse than at any point in the last 35 years. They added 6 teams in the heart of Jordan's prime, at a time where the global talent base was bArely existent.


I think this is a very interesting thing to consider. However, is it really an apples to apples comparison? I wouldn't know how to do the detailed research, but I think the style of play in the game has affected the distribution of who is taking the most free throws. If more guards/wings are taking free throws today rather than in the 1990s, then it stands to reason that the overall free throw percentage would be higher today since guards and wings tend to be better shooters than front-court players.

For example, here are the Top 10 in FT attempts this season

1. James Harden
2. Russell Westbrook
3. DeMarcus Cousins
4. LeBron James
5. DeAndre Jordan
6. Andrew Wiggins
7. Jimmy Butler
8. Gordon Harward
9. Anthony Davis
10. Eric Bledsoe

And here were the top 10 from 94-95
1. Shaq
2. David Robinson
3. Karl Malone
4. Alonzo Mourning
5. Jamal Mashburn
6. Shawn Kemp
7. Patrick Ewing
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Detlef Schrempf
10. Grant Hill

However, if you compared the Top 5 FT success rate from each era

2014-2015
1. Steph Curry, .914
2. Jodie Meeks, .906
3. JJ Redick, .901
4. Jamal Crawford, .901
5. Chris Paul, .900
...
20. Lou Williams, .861

1994-95
1. Spud Webb, .934
2. Mark Price, .914
3. Dana Barros, .899
4. Reggie Miller, .897
5. Muggsy Bogues, .889
...
20. Sam Cassell .843

So, at least according to these two seasons, today's players were overall slightly better free throw shooters, I'm not sure how significant of a difference it is. Quickly looking at last year's list, and 20th best was only .850. However, I think the league stats are largely skewed because of the distribution of worse shooters getting to the line more frequently.

But I encourage you to stick around and keep bringing up new things to look at.
Paul  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 11:21 pm : link
It's a good point that today the top ft attempt guys are more perimeter oriented players, whereas in the past they were more bigs. But that top 10 is still such a small part of the entire nba sample, I'm talking about collective league average

I actually think ft shooting stats are skewed against today's league averages due to all the hack a Shaq stuff, which is happening way more than ever. It may not manifest itself in many top 10 finishes outside of Deandre Jordan, but it happens a ton. It didn't even happen much after the guy it was named after. When Shaq played, hack a Shaq largely meant foul him whenever he got deep post position to not give up a dunk. This business of fouling guys 80 feet away in the back court and sending someone to the line 8 times rarely ever happened to him or anyone else. There was no hack a chris Dudley. I remember Portland did it once to Shaq in the western finals in 2000. Don Nelson used to do it with the Mavs a couple times in the regular season. But it was extremely rare
Per basketball reference, the numbers  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/1/2015 11:46 pm : link
These are the 5 worst free throw shooting league averages since the merger. The only seasons since the merger where the average was under 74%

1999- .728
1994- .734
1995- .737
1998- .737
1997- .738

The Average has been over 75% every year this decade, and was an all time best .771 in 2009.

Like I said though, free throw shooting is far from a perfect measure of the strength or skill level in a league at any given time. But let's just consider it a piece entered into evidence to support something pretty evident.... That wasn't the strongest time in league history
RE: Mook  
giantsfan44ab : 6/2/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12310296 MarshallOnMontana said:
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That's a stat they gave out on that telecast, and I remember it when they stated it. He didn't play in crunch time of that game either (though it was revealed in postgame he had a back injury). But with that stat you basically confirmed my suspicion. You are basing this Kevin Love 4th quarter narrative on select random examples from high profile national TV games, not watching them on a game by game basis. And youre making inferences based on his 4th quarter scoring average (he did not shoot the ball well in 4th quarters this year, but he was out there.) If you did see them regularly you would know he played in the 4th quarter in crunch time more often than not. Hell, in the last full game he played he was draining key threes down the stretch to go up 3-0 on Boston.

At one point late this year he was leading the Cavs in first quarter scoring average. I'm not sure if he finished the year doing that, but as of post all star break he was. And that's not insignificant, as the first quarter just happens to be the most predictive quarter in an nba game. They would always look to get him off early in the game and get him looks to establish spacing that teams have to respect, giving Lebron and Kyrie the room to operate down the stretch. Not much different than how Bosh was used in Miami. In crunch time he didn't shoot it well this year, and he could go through stretches where he was phased out of the offense as Lebron and Kyrie take turns. But him merely being out there dragged defenders out of the paint for them

Love has gone from overrated to underrated with record speed. People spending all this time on what he's not, without seeing he's still currently such a more valuable piece than Wiggins it's disgusting. They aren't comparable in 2015


So thats extremely short sighted thinking on the opposite extreme. Wiggins is going to get exponentially better every season because thats what rookies-especially #1 overall picks- do. Its a fact. Wiggins will be better next season and better the season after. Love, however, has not only hit his ceiling already, but with the emergence of Tristan Thompson, will likely see less minutes than he did this previous season.

How is the 4th quarter playing time an invalid stat by any means? You point to the fact those are all "nationally broadcasted" games. Why are they nationally broadcasted? Because they are playing the Spurs, the Bulls, and other elite teams of the NBA. So what if he is shooting well in the 4th quarter against the CELTICS? They clearly did not need him to win 2+ series to get to the Finals.

In these last two series, TT is averaging 11 points and 11 rebounds a game. Is it really worth paying another player max money to average 6 PPG more and play much shittier defense?

I was not comparing Frye to Love in a vacuum, but if you need someone to provide 8 ppg that stretches the floor, you could do it with a mid-level type player or even cheaper.

Having Wiggins, Bennett, and (insert whatever decent stretch 4 here) would have more than made up for what Love has provided to the Cavs. Not to mention Varejao will be back to play better defense and provide similar level of rebounding as Love.

I am going to say this again. I am not trashing Kevin Love, but there is no argument that says that Kevin Love is a perfect fit. Love is a guy who needs to dominate the ball to play at his best. Lebron is a guy who needs to dominate the ball to play at his best. Kyrie is a guy who needs to dominate the ball to play at his best.

At some point, the fact that you only have 1 basketball starts to affect the value of these players. Love is a spot up shooter with Lebron and Kyrie on the floor, and at all other times he essentially is the 6th man because they throw him on the court when Kyrie and Lebron sit to provide some offense in those very few minutes.
I think the dumbest thing the Cavs did  
dep026 : 6/2/2015 2:06 pm : link
was draft Bennett over Oladipo. Oladipo will be an all-star sooner rather than later. Kyrie, Oladipo, Lebron, Wiggins, TT....... wow.
RE: I think the dumbest thing the Cavs did  
giantsfan44ab : 6/2/2015 5:10 pm : link
In comment 12311239 dep026 said:
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was draft Bennett over Oladipo. Oladipo will be an all-star sooner rather than later. Kyrie, Oladipo, Lebron, Wiggins, TT....... wow.


TT has come up big recently, but Kawhi was getting hyped into a top 5 pick coming close to the draft. Klay Thompson wasn't unrealistic either.

The next year they took Waiters (who didn't even start in college) over Lillard, Harrison Barnes, and Andre Drummond.

And also in 2013, not many people realize this but they had the 19th overall pick. They took Sergey Karasev over Gorgui Dieng, Mason Plumlee, THJR, and Rudy Gobert.

As good as a story it is for Lebron to return, its such a shame such a shitty management team got bailed out. Where would this team be without Lebron?

If they hit some of these picks they could've had a lineup of Kyrie, Oladipo, Kawhi, and Gobert. That team alone would have the makings of a contender.
RE: I think the dumbest thing the Cavs did  
santacruzom : 6/2/2015 5:33 pm : link
In comment 12311239 dep026 said:
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was draft Bennett over Oladipo. Oladipo will be an all-star sooner rather than later. Kyrie, Oladipo, Lebron, Wiggins, TT....... wow.


Yeah but in the Cavs' defense, they had just drafted... Waiters!

!
this break between series is absurdly  
chris r : 6/2/2015 5:34 pm : link
long.
Klay Thompson cleared to play  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/2/2015 7:18 pm : link
for Game 1, per Marc Stein.

I hate the long delay, generally, but I think it's good for this series because it gave both Klay and Kyrie a chance to clear or get closer to 100%.
true  
chris r : 6/2/2015 7:27 pm : link
and LeBron a chance to go back to Miami and "rest up".
I really wanted Oladipo  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/2/2015 10:20 pm : link
to play next to Kyrie too. I thought they had Isiah/Dumars potential if they could be paired up. A shame that Waiters' presence kept that from being a possibility.
RE: I really wanted Oladipo  
giantsfan44ab : 6/3/2015 9:50 am : link
In comment 12311813 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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to play next to Kyrie too. I thought they had Isiah/Dumars potential if they could be paired up. A shame that Waiters' presence kept that from being a possibility.


Or even Len or Zeller. I might be biased as an IU fan, but I think its safe to say Cody looks like hes on track to be at least a solid rotational player in the NBA. Bennett's biggest intrigue was that he was a 4 that could sometimes hit a corner 3 in a mid-major conference. I never saw the huge hype with him to start with. I did not think he'd be this awful, but c'mon Cleveland, stop trying to be too cute with your picks.

And then you had two other bigs, Zeller, who dominated the big 10, and Len, who has all the makings to be a dominant defense force. Even if Cleveland absolutely did not wanna go guard and pick Dipo they'd still have 2 much better options.
Bump for tonight....  
dep026 : 6/4/2015 8:22 am : link
Good luck Santa.

3 things I dont want to hear about:

1. Steph Curry's daughter. Seriously, I could care less how cute she is.
2. Lebron vs. Jordan. Again, its a mythical debate. I dont care
3. If Curry is the greatest shooter ever. Again, no one cares.

Talk about matchups, talk about strategy, hell even talk about how great each team is.... but please leave the filler stuff for after the game.
that for the thread  
giantsfan44ab : 6/4/2015 9:14 am : link
or for TV? All 3 are going to be mentioned on TV
I'm a bit nervous  
santacruzom : 6/4/2015 2:25 pm : link
Not *too* nervous because let's face it, I've kind of got a "happy just to be here" feeling going on, and I'm so happy about the Warriors' present and optimistic about their future that no result in the Finals could crush me emotionally save for a career-altering injury.

But yeah, there's definitely a part of me that feels like this could be one of those stepping stone years -- that proverbial playoff loss a team's players have to suffer through to become better equipped to finally win a championship. I kind of expect to see a lot of nerves on display tonight, despite how loose the Warriors' players and staff are.
Thing about 90s NBA  
KWALL2 : 6/4/2015 2:29 pm : link
was the talent of the big men. Much better than the bigs in NBA today. Better top end talent and much deeper. The game is a lot easier to play without the same talent at PF and C.

Really looking forward to the finals. I see Lebron going off and proving he is the clear cut top player. He's got something to prove especially with Curry on the other side. I like CLE to win it.

that's what I'm hoping this is santa  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/4/2015 2:31 pm : link
I respect the hell out of the season you guys just had. But if you guys win this year, it would just feel too damn easy. The league just letting the Warriors dance their way to a title would just leave me with a bad feeling. Teams typically need to see great failure before they're ready for great success. I hope LeBron finds his outside shot and is ready to lead the Cavs to a series win.

LeBron's Jumper is the key to this series.
in retrospect the season feels easy  
santacruzom : 6/4/2015 3:29 pm : link
They haven't had their usual share of glaring obstacles to overcome -- ridiculous injuries that would make the Giants blush, masochistic foot-shooting as far as drafting players and hiring coaches, an allergy to rebounding and defense, etc.

But they had to do something that does not come easy to a front office: fire a young coach who led the team to improvement every year and replace him with an unknown. That new coach then had to make the difficult decision to bench two All-Star players on a team that nearly to a man strongly supported the coach he just replaced.

There were mines on that field and Kerr avoided them well, but it couldn't have been easy. The fact that the Warriors performed so amazingly on the actual court kind of obscures some of the obstacles they did have to navigate past.
pretty simple for me  
hitdog42 : 6/4/2015 3:37 pm : link
if GS goes under Lebron ball screens... they will win.

If they don't- Cleveland will win.

Cleveland will have to go over ball screens now--- guarding GS--- that will open up great ball movement and a lot of open shots.
also hard to see Tristan Thompson owning the glass like he did.

GS in 6.
RE: pretty simple for me  
santacruzom : 6/4/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12314334 hitdog42 said:
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also hard to see Tristan Thompson owning the glass like he did.


I hope that's the case, but I don't think it will be.
GS in 5  
giantsfan44ab : 6/4/2015 5:57 pm : link
.
Everyone is talking about Kyrie's health  
David in LA : 6/4/2015 7:31 pm : link
IMO the biggest x factor will be Tristan Thompson.
Klay needs to be  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/4/2015 7:56 pm : link
CLEARLY better than JR in this series for the Warriors.
Clevelands defense  
dep026 : 6/4/2015 9:27 pm : link
is the best in the NBA right now, and its really not close.
Draymond Green  
dep026 : 6/4/2015 9:35 pm : link
needs to be taken out.
HAND DOWN  
hitdog42 : 6/4/2015 10:00 pm : link
MAN DOWN
RE: HAND DOWN  
dep026 : 6/4/2015 10:01 pm : link
In comment 12314736 hitdog42 said:
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MAN DOWN


Can I have the most over used catchphrase by an announcer for 500 Alex?
RE: Draymond Green  
santacruzom : 6/4/2015 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12314703 dep026 said:
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needs to be taken out.


Say what? Kerr don't panic that early.
Damn  
santacruzom : 6/4/2015 11:28 pm : link
This is tense shit.
RE: Damn  
dep026 : 6/4/2015 11:52 pm : link
In comment 12314899 santacruzom said:
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This is tense shit.


That was the biggest win GS has had since they won it 40 years ago. A loss there would have been devastating. Congrats man.
thanks man  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 3:06 am : link
I hope Kyrie's injury isn't too severe. What an effort he put forth.
RE: Clevelands defense  
giantsfan44ab : 6/5/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12314694 dep026 said:
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is the best in the NBA right now, and its really not close.


Unfortunate that defense doesn't win championships
if you told cleveland  
hitdog42 : 6/5/2015 11:01 am : link
that they would have the ball with 20 seconds left in game 1 with LeBron isolated on the wing tied up... shot to win the game... they would take it 100 out of 100 times...
he just decided to settle for the first time literally all game... on that shot. he was aggressive each and every other possession.
I don't think it was as bad of a shot as you do  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/5/2015 11:42 am : link
it was a make-able shot and the key was to ensure that it was the last possession of the game. He got the shot off with just enough time for a possible putback. He just missed the shot.

Again, the problem with Cleveland is that outside of Kyrie, there is no one else who creates on that team. It's not easy to beat Iguodala off the dribble.

If LeBron attacks the rim there, after likely being gassed, he will run into a lot of traffic and there is no way that the refs are going to call a foul and let Lebron hit a foul shot to win the game.

The game came down to a simple factor. The Warriors had one of the best regular seasons of all time, are deep, versatile and completely healthy. They are playing a team with major injuries and a lack of viable depth and perhaps the most erratic third scoring option in the league.
lol, this is worse than going to a NYC movie theater  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/5/2015 12:03 pm : link


Food prices at oracle arena last night
RE: I don't think it was as bad of a shot as you do  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12315488 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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They are playing a team with major injuries and a lack of viable depth and perhaps the most erratic third scoring option in the league.


When JR hit those first three threes I was both pessimistic and optimistic. I thought two opposite thoughts simultaneously: "Oh no, JR Smith might have one of those nights," an, "Oh yes, JR Smith might think he's having one of those nights, but isn't."
paul  
hitdog42 : 6/5/2015 12:13 pm : link
the shot was horrible.
the best player on the planet who is having a huge game settles for that.
if its a crap team with a mediocre star, you can hope to hold for the final shot.
you have LeBron james.... hes gone off for 40... hes gotten to the rim at will, and created well.... and he shoots a bad angle 20 footer fading away with a hand in his face... the defense dictated the shot... it was an awful shot...
and that possession was their chance to win the game.

Lebron played great--- given what the warriors dictated for the game. but the problem with the game was that he missed the last shot. that was there chance--- when you play a better team you don't get many.

and i dont want to come off as negative  
hitdog42 : 6/5/2015 12:19 pm : link
LeBron couldn't have done more- he played a great game as a scorer--- took a lot of shots but didn't force them-- they were 1 on 1 shots he should take them all day.

but he has a shot to win game 1 on the road and took a 20 foot fade away with a hand in the face, when isolated 1 on 1. im sure he would tell you he would attack more if he could do it again.
RE: and i dont want to come off as negative  
MookGiants : 6/5/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12315553 hitdog42 said:
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LeBron couldn't have done more- he played a great game as a scorer--- took a lot of shots but didn't force them-- they were 1 on 1 shots he should take them all day.

but he has a shot to win game 1 on the road and took a 20 foot fade away with a hand in the face, when isolated 1 on 1. im sure he would tell you he would attack more if he could do it again.


I don't agree with it, but I think his plan was to take that step back jumper because he did not want to leave any time on the clock if he missed. Again i dont agree with it but that seemed to be the plan.
RE: RE: and i dont want to come off as negative  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12315625 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12315553 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


LeBron couldn't have done more- he played a great game as a scorer--- took a lot of shots but didn't force them-- they were 1 on 1 shots he should take them all day.

but he has a shot to win game 1 on the road and took a 20 foot fade away with a hand in the face, when isolated 1 on 1. im sure he would tell you he would attack more if he could do it again.



I don't agree with it, but I think his plan was to take that step back jumper because he did not want to leave any time on the clock if he missed. Again i dont agree with it but that seemed to be the plan.


I saw LeBron beat the Warriors last year with a buzzer-beating, fairly well-contested fade away three-pointer from maybe 26 feet out, so while it may have been a bad shot by conventional standards, it's certainly something within his arsenal.
It wasn't as easy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/5/2015 1:03 pm : link
for LeBron to attack the rim when they put Iguodala on him as when he was just bullying Barnes or Thompson.

iggy was the mvp of the game  
hitdog42 : 6/5/2015 1:07 pm : link
for the warriors in my view.
Curry was solid but not himself- Thompson was meh--- compiled some points. green mediocre. bogut terrible... barnes was solid... Mo buckets... that's the man.
The Warriors are so deep  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/5/2015 1:13 pm : link
fast, balanced, versatile, and most of all, HEALTHY.

It really is a shame that Love got hurt because it would have made for a much, much better series. While his individual talent isn't maximized with the way Cleveland plays, his effect on that team's ability to play against top teams is completely underrated.

He is a great passer, and can pass over smaller players. He is also a tall wing shooter so if Golden State stays at home and doesn't collapse on LeBron, it either keeps a big man away from the hoop, or Love is tall enough to shoot over the smaller defender.
RE: The Warriors are so deep  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12315671 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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fast, balanced, versatile, and most of all, HEALTHY.


It really is crazy how healthy they are. Imagine if the Giants finish the 2015 season with just one guy on IR. That's the level of craziness the Warriors' sudden good fortune with injuries is.
It's just the perfect sequence of events for GS  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/5/2015 1:34 pm : link
They're incredibly healthy, the Cavs are not.
They have guys coming off the bench that should be starting on other teams.
As great as LeBron is, this might be the least-great version of him in the past 5 years or so.
Speaking of healthy  
giantsfan44ab : 6/5/2015 1:48 pm : link
An underrated move GS made was pretty much resting Speights all the way up through the Finals. Its ridiculous how many points this guy puts up in the 10-12 minutes he plays. He'd average like 24 PPG on a 36 minute basis. Really kills Miami when they are going small
not only has GS  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/5/2015 1:50 pm : link
been healthy, every team they played this year in the playoffs had an injured point guard. Those are the breaks you often need to win championships. It's not a knock on GS either, as I love everything about this team and they were the only team that I actively sought out their nationally televised late games.

Imagine the turn of events if Cleveland were completely healthy and Golden State had a hobbled Klay and didn't have Draymond at all-- except that still doesn't even measure up to the impact of Love/Irving.

But sports history is all about the teams that took advantages of their opportunities, and I ahve a feeling GS is going to take advantage of this opportunity and conclude one of the greatest regular seasons of all time with their first ring in 40 years.
The sad thing is  
giantsfan44ab : 6/5/2015 1:51 pm : link
if GS's bench were its own team, I don't think they would be bad enough to land one of the top 4 picks in this draft...

Livingston , Barbosa, Iggy, Spieghts, Ezeli and David Lee. You've got two solid scorers, defenders and playmakers.
RE: not only has GS  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12315747 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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been healthy, every team they played this year in the playoffs had an injured point guard.


Yeah, and I'm not sure if this opinion is shared by many Warriors fans but I can't deny it may put something of an asterisk on the championship if they win it -- something that says, "The Warriors benefited from other teams' misfortune to win their first championship after decades of futility, and we'll never know if they'd have been able to accomplish that otherwise."

But as with other negatives that might crop up during this dream season, I can dismiss that by being about 90% confident that the Warriors will be a very good team for the next few years, and they'll have more chances to put forth a more convincing run.
Fractured kneecap for Irving  
KevinBBWC : 6/5/2015 5:46 pm : link
out 4 months.
Kyrie with a fractured kneecap, obviously season over  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/5/2015 5:47 pm : link
the series is likely over as well. Unfortunate. A healthy Cavs vs. Warriors matchup would've been something else. Now we just need to pray that LeBron does something silly and JR has an epic hot streak.
Yet another nba playoff series  
MookGiants : 6/5/2015 5:50 pm : link
Where there is zero reason to watch. What a disaster
RE: Fractured kneecap for Irving  
santacruzom : 6/5/2015 5:55 pm : link
In comment 12316134 KevinBBWC said:
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out 4 months.


Fuck.

That sucks.
RE: Yet another nba playoff series  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/5/2015 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12316143 MookGiants said:
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Where there is zero reason to watch. What a disaster


It was all setting up for a nice series, too.
RE: RE: not only has GS  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/5/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12316101 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12315747 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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been healthy, every team they played this year in the playoffs had an injured point guard.



Yeah, and I'm not sure if this opinion is shared by many Warriors fans but I can't deny it may put something of an asterisk on the championship if they win it -- something that says, "The Warriors benefited from other teams' misfortune to win their first championship after decades of futility, and we'll never know if they'd have been able to accomplish that otherwise."

But as with other negatives that might crop up during this dream season, I can dismiss that by being about 90% confident that the Warriors will be a very good team for the next few years, and they'll have more chances to put forth a more convincing run.


Golden State had one of the best regular seasons of all-time and they were playing fantastic basketball all season. I think a fully healthy Cleveland team would have made for a fantastic series because of how they were playing once fully adjusted.

But other than that, they were clearly the best team in the game.

No one gives David Robinson or Tim Duncan an asterisk for that first title going against a Knicks team without Patrick Ewing.

The only effect this should have in historical conversation is when people inevitably bash LeBron for likely being 2-4 in the Finals.
Santa  
giantsfan44ab : 6/6/2015 12:31 am : link
i think it's just home team bias in a weird way that makes you feel like that. I mean as Giants fans, during both SB wins I felt that the teams would get dismissed because they were mediocre 9 and 10 win teams. But the reputation of the wins holds up simply by winning a championship. Eli is still mentioned among the elite by the likes of Colin Cowherd and other prominent sport people.

As good as Jrue Holiday is, he didn't change the outcome of the series. Conley played and he played well and couldn't come up with more than 2 games against the Warriors.

There's an injury you can point out every year that changes the outcome of the playoffs. Westbrook and Ibaka last year, Ibaka the year before and Paul George this year just off the top of my head.

The Paul George injury is understated imo. Indiana gave Miami a hell of a run in each of the last two years, and this Cleveland team is a shell of the last 4 Miami teams. If the PG injury didn't happen, he may have improved even more (like how almost every team USA participant does) and they added great depth and shooting with CJ Miles, Rodney Stuckey, and CJ Watson. Who knows how good Indiana would've been if PG didn't get hurt. Plus, Cleveland faced a hobbled Noah and Gasol in the chicago series and a hobbled Caroll, Milsap, and Horford and Korver and Sefalosha were both injured.

I wouldn't sweat the title cuz Pat Beverley didn't play.
Right  
santacruzom : 6/6/2015 3:27 am : link
But it makes it all kind of... anti-climactic? Had they followed their awesome regular season with a romp through tough and healthy playoff teams that would be something qualitatively different, a dream season from start to finish after decades of crap. This just doesn't have that feel. Not that it's bad, but it won't feel like the Giants beating the 18-0 Pats by any stretch.
Horrible news for Cleveland  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/6/2015 5:52 am : link
Even if Irving hadn't been injured, I thought GS was going to win. Now that looks inevitable.

& people who will get on LBJ afterwards with the whole 'He's 2-4 now in Finals' are idiots.
RE: Horrible news for Cleveland  
dep026 : 6/6/2015 5:58 am : link
In comment 12316506 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Even if Irving hadn't been injured, I thought GS was going to win. Now that looks inevitable.

& people who will get on LBJ afterwards with the whole 'He's 2-4 now in Finals' are idiots.


So people should just dimiss it altogether. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't cleveland beat up on injured teams during this playoffs? Last time I checked neither Atlanta nor the bulls were healthy either...
I guess it's anti climatic  
giantsfan44ab : 6/6/2015 10:57 am : link
but GS had the best offense, defense, point differential and recording the league. They didn't need a healthy run to validate their greatness. I picked them to win in 5 before the Irving injury and I think they would've won in 5 or 6 even if Love was healthy.

There are never gonna be injury free postseasons. Without failure there are stars injured that could've certainly made a difference. Rudy Gay in Memphis, rose over the last few seasons, KD, etc.
If you read these threads  
hitdog42 : 6/6/2015 2:09 pm : link
you would think the cavs and lebron went through a loaded east to get here... teams fully healthy with top end talent... and that lebron was the only person on the team to play well. If they win its only because he played well- if they lose its only because he didnt have help.
Beating bad teams in the east without Kyrie and Love was all because of him--- and losing possibly in the finals has nothing to do with him.

In my job i always feel like i am short options... seems like he is long optionality on these threads.

There is still a series to be played... the cavs will trot out the same players that beat the crap out of Atlanta and Chicago for the most part... if they get the sh%t kicked out of them it will show just how bad the east is... and make these finals appearances look less impressive----- win a few games and make this a series --- enough with the woe is me bull crap. this IS the team that basically won the last 2 series.
Cool story  
santacruzom : 6/7/2015 12:19 am : link
Bros
Curry can deadlift 400 lbs? - ( New Window )
hitdog  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/7/2015 11:27 am : link
I don't think anyone is arguing that the East is tough. It was well-established that it was was weak. But Atlanta was a strong team (who fared VERY well against the West this year) but they, too, were hurt int the series against Cleveland. If a healthy Golden State team (a phenomenal team) beats up on a depleted Cavaliers team, it doesn't say anything about Atlanta, because they, too, were completely banged up.

Now, if a depleted Golden State team (say, no Klay/Draymond or no Steph) were to beat up a healthy Cleveland team, then then would talk a lot more about Cleveland's series with Atlanta to make the Finals.
The Warriors PA guy  
santacruzom : 6/7/2015 8:04 pm : link
Always reminds me of the teacher from South Park.
Man  
santacruzom : 6/7/2015 8:04 pm : link
Some awful drumming on this national anthem.
Well refs with  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 8:18 pm : link
The cavs again
Thompson on the bench on a late and wrong call
Might as well keep  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 8:20 pm : link
the game thread here.
Terrible box-out  
SimpleMan : 6/7/2015 8:20 pm : link
by JR Smith there.
Can someone explain  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 8:34 pm : link
how the fore-arm lead by Lebron is legal? He does it every single drive.
LeBron's Usage Rate  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 8:35 pm : link
is probably going to be the highest of all-time for any one player in an NBA Finals series.

30 FGA per game from LeBron is going to be crazy to watch. He might average 40 PPG in this series and they still lose in 5.
Outside of a few shots  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 8:59 pm : link
at the end of the game 1, Curry has been invisible.
Mozgov  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 9:04 pm : link
took 6 steps right in front of the ref there. 6!
haha definitely a travel  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 9:05 pm : link
.
warriors  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 9:22 pm : link
are still playing anxious.
I would have thought they would have more poise.

Still think its really stupid to pick n roll curry all game... he doesnt need the screen it just crowds the play.
Curry doesn't need the screen  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 9:25 pm : link
but as great of a player as Curry is, he is not a truly great ISO scorer. Not even close to a top 5 ISO scorer in the league imo. It's probably the biggest hole in his game on the offensive side. He does the majority of his damage with the help of screens.
the question is  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 9:39 pm : link
how bad is jeff teague? and how bad were the bulls?
with delladova? i mean he doesnt belong on the court
hes horrific offensive player. and an effort defensive player but really not any good.
RE: the question is  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12317575 hitdog42 said:
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how bad is jeff teague? and how bad were the bulls?
with delladova? i mean he doesnt belong on the court
hes horrific offensive player. and an effort defensive player but really not any good.


Bulls got rid of their problem. Teague was an all-star by team recognition.

And Shumpert was closer to hitting Klay's elbow there than the ball.
Bogut and Green  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 9:47 pm : link
forgot the finals started.
this is just awful basketball  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 9:53 pm : link
cleveland is playing OK-
but overall its just really ugly

a "good bad" game.
close in score but horribly player except for the Moz
Thats not goaltending  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 9:57 pm : link
but this is an embarrassing effort by GS. Actually, its pathetic.
GW is getting jobbed  
santacruzom : 6/7/2015 9:57 pm : link
But I still think they pull this out.
RE: GW is getting jobbed  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12317590 santacruzom said:
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But I still think they pull this out.


That is the power of Scott Foster. He is the most crooked official in the NBA and has been since the Donaghy fiasco. Where as other officials suck, I read a stat earlier in the playoffs that road teams are 11-2 in games he officiates.
GS jobbing themselves  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 9:59 pm : link
chuck and duck
no extra passes-- careless with ball--- poor movement-- no ability to get transition baskets
Scratch that  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:00 pm : link
road teams are 10-1 and he has called more fouls than any other official in the playoffs.
RE: Scratch that  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:01 pm : link
In comment 12317594 dep026 said:
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road teams are 10-1 and he has called more fouls than any other official in the playoffs.


And cleveland is 3-0 with Foster officiating, and you guessed it - all on the road.
Speights  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:04 pm : link
start dancing some more. What a fuckign schmuck.
That defensive end just tackled the ball carrier  
schabadoo : 6/7/2015 10:05 pm : link
How is there no call, because a ref fell down?
How did  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:06 pm : link
they not call a foul? Delavadova got tackled
Klay  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:09 pm : link
has been huge the last 6 quarters.
Bogut  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:10 pm : link
is a schmuck too.
lol 2 hand shove at bogut  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:12 pm : link
then absolutely nothing after

and a foul call.
and a 3.... nice swing there
half the time thompson and moz  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:14 pm : link
are hugging the warrior player
There should be a criminal  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:14 pm : link
investigation on Scott Foster. He is the most crooked official in sports history. His hands were more dirty than Donaghy's. And he gets these games. Its a fucking travesty.
If this is a flagrant 2  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 10:21 pm : link
I'm done. You see his eyes following the ball. It's just a hard foul... which I like to see in the playoffs.
have the warriors realized  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:26 pm : link
that the chuck and duck isnt getting it done tonight?
maybe pass and move?
Curry  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:26 pm : link
has been pathetic.

And Scott Foster with ANOTHER off the ball call against GS.
Cavs deserve this game  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:29 pm : link
they are playing harder and smarter, and have the best player on the court
RE: Cavs deserve this game  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12317630 hitdog42 said:
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they are playing harder and smarter, and have the best player on the court


Agreed. The alpha dogs for GS minus Klay have been non existant.

The role players are carrying the Cavs this quarter. Delly, Smith, and Thompson.
Lots of selfish, stupid basketball by GS  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 10:33 pm : link
Very uncharacteristic of them.
Scott Foster ladies and gentleman.  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:35 pm : link
Lebron elbows Iggy. FOul on Iggy.
they should legit end the series  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:35 pm : link
after that sht
lebron you cheap fk
I hope LBJs elbow is ok  
schabadoo : 6/7/2015 10:35 pm : link
.
What an awful call as usual  
chris r : 6/7/2015 10:35 pm : link
LeBron initiated that contact. Fuck the NBA.
RE: Scott Foster ladies and gentleman.  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12317640 dep026 said:
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Lebron elbows Iggy. FOul on Iggy.


Lebron James gets that call from every official in the NBA
dagger  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 10:36 pm : link
boom- huge shot
I am calling it now.  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:37 pm : link
Cleveland in 6.

LeBron of course playing well with no pressure on  
chris r : 6/7/2015 10:37 pm : link
Unlike 2011
RE: RE: Scott Foster ladies and gentleman.  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12317646 nygiants16 said:
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Lebron elbows Iggy. FOul on Iggy.



Lebron James gets that call from every official in the NBA


Read my stats from above. He is the most crooked official in all of sports. Road teams will be 11-1 now in the playoffs with him officiating. Cleveland will be 4-0 with him officiating while trailing in the series. And he has called the msot fouls in the playoffs.

If I knew he was officiating, I would have bet my house on the Cavs. He didnt give the Cavs this game. But he was going to make sure his whistle worked for them.
RE: LeBron of course playing well with no pressure on  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12317649 chris r said:
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Unlike 2011


You really should seek help
Hack a shack now?  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:40 pm : link
Interesting.
Blatt  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:42 pm : link
has to get thompson off court
Was that a foul  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:47 pm : link
it may have been, but it wasnt that obvious.
HOLY SHIT  
Pink Ranger : 6/7/2015 10:47 pm : link
NO ONE TRIPPED HIM
JR Smith  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:47 pm : link
has committed two of the dumbest fouls I have ever seen.
Curry tripped him  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:48 pm : link
and oh how i do not miss JR
Steve Kerr  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:49 pm : link
with just an absolutely brutal fuckling coachign decision not calling timeout once it showed they had nothing offensively.

How you do not get a good shot with under a minute left with all those timeouts is a sin.
RE: HOLY SHIT  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12317667 Pink Ranger said:
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NO ONE TRIPPED HIM


Get your eyes checked
How does Curry not get the ball on that possession  
chris r : 6/7/2015 10:50 pm : link
?
It's pretty sad for the NBA  
bigbluehoya : 6/7/2015 10:50 pm : link
That this is their #1 broadcast team.
RE: How does Curry not get the ball on that possession  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12317677 chris r said:
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?


Kerr sitting on his hands.
Cavs are boned if this goes to OT  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 10:52 pm : link
Expect a Lebron game winner here.
Well  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:52 pm : link
the difference there was Curry had the ball.

Lebron time.
Hah, Shump  
bigbluehoya : 6/7/2015 10:52 pm : link
Shoots it about as well as I recall him shooting it
Damn  
Pink Ranger : 6/7/2015 10:52 pm : link
7 seconds left.
And now peopleknow why  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:53 pm : link
the knicks traded Shumpert and JR they suck in big games...
Lolbron  
chris r : 6/7/2015 10:54 pm : link
James.
Lebron looks gassed  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:54 pm : link
hard to carry a team for 48 minutes and your 2nd best player is sitting on the bench...

Why is Mosgov not in the game???
He had a good look  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:54 pm : link
...
How anyone can blame Lebron James  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:55 pm : link
for this game is beyond me...what more do you want him to do?
Iguodala  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:55 pm : link
fouled him about 5 times.

They call tocky tack shit like the JR Smith foul a mile away from basket they should call that too
RE: Iguodala  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12317696 MookGiants said:
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fouled him about 5 times.

They call tocky tack shit like the JR Smith foul a mile away from basket they should call that too


If they arent going to call his forearm extension all game to get separation, they arent calling that.
RE: How anyone can blame Lebron James  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12317695 nygiants16 said:
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for this game is beyond me...what more do you want him to do?


11-31. Not saying its right, but thats the microscope.
RE: How anyone can blame Lebron James  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 10:57 pm : link
In comment 12317695 nygiants16 said:
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for this game is beyond me...what more do you want him to do?


There is nothing more pathetic on this board than chris r when he talks about LeBron
31 shots...  
Jon in NYC : 6/7/2015 10:57 pm : link
holy shit.

That alone is a huge win for the Warriors.
RE: RE: How anyone can blame Lebron James  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12317701 dep026 said:
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for this game is beyond me...what more do you want him to do?



11-31. Not saying its right, but thats the microscope.


He was shooting 50% with a triple double until they started just going 1 on 1...it looks like the Knicks offense with Melo
RE: RE: RE: How anyone can blame Lebron James  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12317706 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12317695 nygiants16 said:


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for this game is beyond me...what more do you want him to do?



11-31. Not saying its right, but thats the microscope.



He was shooting 50% with a triple double until they started just going 1 on 1...it looks like the Knicks offense with Melo


He was 7-12 in the first half. But hasnt hit anything in the 2nd half.

GS shooting has been horrendous.
Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
NYMase : 6/7/2015 10:59 pm : link
gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.
Every fucking pick shumpert sets is moving  
chris r : 6/7/2015 10:59 pm : link
But they never call it.
RE: Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12317709 NYMase said:
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gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.


How many times did Jordan go to the line in the playoffs to win the game?
RE: Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
chris r : 6/7/2015 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12317709 NYMase said:
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gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.


LOL no. That's not a foul and MJ played in an Era when they allowed much more contact.
RE: Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12317709 NYMase said:
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gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.


No Jordan would hit the mid range shot in Iguodola's face
Curry  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:02 pm : link
has been shut down by Delly. Has not scored on him.
Lol how can anyone say  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:02 pm : link
Lebron didnt get fouled?
Green struggling to back down Dellavedova  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 11:04 pm : link
lol. Green has sucked ass this game.
RE: RE: Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12317717 nygiants16 said:
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gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.



No Jordan would hit the mid range shot in Iguodola's face


After he pushed iggy to the ground
RE: RE: RE: Michael Jordan would have absolutely  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12317728 MookGiants said:
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gotten a foul call on that last drive in regulation by Lebron. 100% foul on GS if that was Michael Jordan, no doubt in my mind.



No Jordan would hit the mid range shot in Iguodola's face



After he pushed iggy to the ground


Of course
The transformation of Knicks fans  
hitdog42 : 6/7/2015 11:06 pm : link
Into Lebron homers
Is a comical bbi development
That was a travel  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:06 pm : link
..
That was  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:06 pm : link
a travel and foul.
RE: The transformation of Knicks fans  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12317731 hitdog42 said:
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Into Lebron homers
Is a comical bbi development


whose being a homer? just stating the obvious
He took 5 steps  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:07 pm : link
I dont feel as bad that they missed the foul.
A designed play  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:09 pm : link
for Draymond Green.

WTF.
Not a part of me wants Cleveland  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:11 pm : link
to win cause Green is a POS.
Oh and i forgot to mention  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:11 pm : link
another showing of why Knicks fans were happy to get rid of Shumpert and JR
Now  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:11 pm : link
....
As bad as Green has been  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 11:11 pm : link
JR Smith has been worse. Cavs lucked out that he just fouled out.
NBA is fishy  
chris r : 6/7/2015 11:13 pm : link
Lebron was hit across the arm.
Cavs are out of gas  
MookGiants : 6/7/2015 11:13 pm : link
and refs have screwed them bad in OT
RE: NBA is fishy  
schabadoo : 6/7/2015 11:14 pm : link
In comment 12317751 chris r said:
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Lebron was hit across the arm.


Held down on the jump ball too.

MJ would be screaming at officials nonstop.
That block was filthy  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:14 pm : link
..
GS  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:15 pm : link
cant offensive rebound. Lose the game because of it....
Curry 3  
nygiants16 : 6/7/2015 11:16 pm : link
Lebron misses at the buzzer
What an absolute  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:17 pm : link
choke job by Curry.

He got outplayed by Delladova.
What a fucking win for Cleveland!  
Sean : 6/7/2015 11:18 pm : link
we got a series!
LOL  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:19 pm : link
MVP my ass.

Bring your daughter to the presser now and tell her how you blew the game for your team.
Curry was terrible. Green was invisible until OT.  
illmatic : 6/7/2015 11:20 pm : link
And the Cavs win by a few points in OT. They go to their home court but you have to think GS will play better. At least we're getting a great series which was expected. Neither team will run away with this in Cleveland. I fully expect them to split the next two games.
Cavs are going to win in 6  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:21 pm : link
could be up 2-0.

They are by far the better defensive team, and are a much better defensive team without Kyrie. Again, Curry did not score against Delladova. None.
DELLAVEDOVA  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 11:24 pm : link
what a tough little mofo. He played great D on Curry all game and made so many clutch 50/50 plays down the stretch. Offensive Board that wins the game. Wow. I gained so much respect for this guy tonight.

1-1, best of 5 series, going back to Cleveland. The outcome an unbiased fan should've been rooting for, this is a series now.
RE: DELLAVEDOVA  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:28 pm : link
In comment 12317771 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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what a tough little mofo. He played great D on Curry all game and made so many clutch 50/50 plays down the stretch. Offensive Board that wins the game. Wow. I gained so much respect for this guy tonight.

1-1, best of 5 series, going back to Cleveland. The outcome an unbiased fan should've been rooting for, this is a series now.


He's a POS and a dirty player. But he came through tonight.
RE: Cavs are going to win in 6  
santacruzom : 6/7/2015 11:30 pm : link
In comment 12317769 dep026 said:
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could be up 2-0.

They are by far the better defensive team, and are a much better defensive team without Kyrie. Again, Curry did not score against Delladova. None.


Really? The Warriors are going to lose 3 out of the next 4 games?

I doubt it. Even if they go down 1-2, like they did against Memphis, I'm pretty sure they have at least two more wins in them. Sure, they still don't get the benefit of the whistle in general, but they probably won't have a 25-40 FTA disadvantage in 3 of the next 4 games.
Cleveland is playing hard on D  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 11:35 pm : link
but the Warriors were arguably the best defense in basketball this year. That's what separates them from the SSOL era Suns teams. Even if you think Cleveland is a better defensive team now, there's no way they're "far" better on D than GS is.

As much as I enjoy watching the rest of you guys learn what an annoying douchebag Draymond Green is, he's still an awesome help defender who almost won the Warriors the game with his D and hustle in OT. Then you have Iggy and Klay on the perimeter, and Barnes' strength makes him versatile on D too. And Bogut in the middle is a stud defender. They have serious defensive talent.
RE: RE: Cavs are going to win in 6  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:36 pm : link
In comment 12317777 santacruzom said:
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could be up 2-0.

They are by far the better defensive team, and are a much better defensive team without Kyrie. Again, Curry did not score against Delladova. None.



Really? The Warriors are going to lose 3 out of the next 4 games?

I doubt it. Even if they go down 1-2, like they did against Memphis, I'm pretty sure they have at least two more wins in them. Sure, they still don't get the benefit of the whistle in general, but they probably won't have a 25-40 FTA disadvantage in 3 of the next 4 games.


Like I said before the series started.

1. You dont have anyone to slow down Lebron. He's shooting bad because he is exhausted. But he is getting to the line at will and putting up the other stats.
2. You cant stop cleveland on the boards, as the smallest guy on the floor got the most important rebound at the end of the game.
3. Cleveland is a better defensive team.
4. GS has shown their in experience.


Bogut and green have been absolute bums. Awful. And curry has been lockdowned by Shuump and Delly. So yes, I can see this pattern continuing. I know I have been tough on Curry's shooting, but Lebron aint making them either. And neither has his surrounding crew.

And for as dominant GS has been at home all year, they had two rough outings in a row at home. If teams are suppose to play better at home, how do you not like Cleveland taking the next two games?
RE: Cleveland is playing hard on D  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12317782 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but the Warriors were arguably the best defense in basketball this year. That's what separates them from the SSOL era Suns teams. Even if you think Cleveland is a better defensive team now, there's no way they're "far" better on D than GS is.

As much as I enjoy watching the rest of you guys learn what an annoying douchebag Draymond Green is, he's still an awesome help defender who almost won the Warriors the game with his D and hustle in OT. Then you have Iggy and Klay on the perimeter, and Barnes' strength makes him versatile on D too. And Bogut in the middle is a stud defender. They have serious defensive talent.


You cant use full year stats on Clevelands defense.

1. Shump and Moz didnt get traded until mid-year.
2. Love is an awful defender, and now TT is providing much better defense.
3. Delly, while a dirtbag, is also a much better defender than Kyrie.

Clevelands offense will be awful to watch with no Love or Kyrie, but their defense is much, much better now. And I think they are much better than GS. One reason why? Curry has been exploited in this pick and roll. Couple of those threes ;ate were because he got caught in the screen and couldnt recover.
the Warriors finished 1st in DRtg  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 11:45 pm : link
and 1st in opponents eFG%.

Sure their offense helped those stats out, since their D would be set more often. But this Warriors team is awesome on the defensive end.

The Cavs D is playing at a really high level but I don't think they're a better defensive team than the Warriors. But let's say the Cavs are better on D... there's no chance in hell they're "far" better on D than the Warriors who ranked #1 in DRtg this season. The Cavs are better on the boards and that's what they need to do to keep doing to win.
butchered that last sentence  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/7/2015 11:48 pm : link
I think Curry is going to play much better in Game 3 and the Warriors win by 15. Making Game 4 a must-watch event.
RE: the Warriors finished 1st in DRtg  
dep026 : 6/7/2015 11:51 pm : link
In comment 12317791 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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and 1st in opponents eFG%.

Sure their offense helped those stats out, since their D would be set more often. But this Warriors team is awesome on the defensive end.

The Cavs D is playing at a really high level but I don't think they're a better defensive team than the Warriors. But let's say the Cavs are better on D... there's no chance in hell they're "far" better on D than the Warriors who ranked #1 in DRtg this season. The Cavs are better on the boards and that's what they need to do to keep doing to win.


Remember one thing about regular season stats during the postseason.... you throw them right out the door.

Cleveland is playing with one offensive player. GS has weapons all around the court, and are whiskers from being down 0-2. Cleveland would not be in this position whatsoever if not for their defense.

And I am not judging their defense just off these first two games. I am judging it by their effort in 3 series now. They have raised it to a level that may be at a level no one reached in the NBA this year. They have won 8 of their last 9 games by defending. And much of it has come without Kyrie.
RE: Cavs are going to win in 6  
illmatic : 6/8/2015 12:12 am : link
In comment 12317769 dep026 said:
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could be up 2-0.

They are by far the better defensive team, and are a much better defensive team without Kyrie. Again, Curry did not score against Delladova. None.


GS could be up 2-0 as well. They played like shit tonight and still almost won.

We went from "Cavs have no chance, series is over, they might get swept" when Kyrie was ruled out... to "Cavs will win it in 6" after game 2. LOL. What the hell.

And what are people smoking thinking Dellavedova is going to shut down Curry for the rest of the series. Come on now. Curry had a bad game but so did half of his team. It happens. He'll bounce back. People need to stop being so reactionary from game to game.
It's also kind of funny to think back  
illmatic : 6/8/2015 12:18 am : link
and realize how big that missed Speights dunk is in hindsight. Also not taking anything away from Dellavedova. He played great D tonight. But he's not locking down Curry all series.
RE: RE: Cavs are going to win in 6  
dep026 : 6/8/2015 6:20 am : link
In comment 12317823 illmatic said:
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could be up 2-0.

They are by far the better defensive team, and are a much better defensive team without Kyrie. Again, Curry did not score against Delladova. None.



GS could be up 2-0 as well. They played like shit tonight and still almost won.

We went from "Cavs have no chance, series is over, they might get swept" when Kyrie was ruled out... to "Cavs will win it in 6" after game 2. LOL. What the hell.

And what are people smoking thinking Dellavedova is going to shut down Curry for the rest of the series. Come on now. Curry had a bad game but so did half of his team. It happens. He'll bounce back. People need to stop being so reactionary from game to game.


I predicted CAVS in 6 from the start.
Nice win for Cleveland  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/8/2015 7:03 am : link
I thought they were cooked after Irving's injury.

Curry needs to bounce back big time tomorrow night.
Its not just 1 game from Curry  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 9:03 am : link
The second half of game 1 saved Curry from having a pedestrian game 1.

And no, Curry will not play that bad again, but by the same measure, will Thompson explode that much again?

Game 1, the duo combined 15/34 for 47 points.

Game 2, the duo combined for 19/51 and 53 points.

Obviously game 1 was a more efficient night but its not like they pulled away from Cleveland in that one. Sustaining 25 ppg between the two will be a difficult task but it will be needed, especially as the series is going into Cleveland.
I think Curry's poor shooting  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/8/2015 9:05 am : link
is completely unsustainable, and that Golden State wins the next three games by double digits.

But I can do nothing but tip my hat to LeBron. That guy is willing his team. Hist numbers turned out inefficient, but the majority of the game, he was efficient. He was just gassed later on, and he attacked the rim a lot. While he didn't get some calls that should have been called (and not FGAs) it did free things up for offensive rebounds.

The one thing that doesn't mean much to me is his rebound total. The majority of those were defensive rebounds that were uncontested where all 9 other guys dropped back. But that often happened when guys like Magic and Kidd got their triple doubles, too.
RE: I think Curry's poor shooting  
dep026 : 6/8/2015 9:23 am : link
In comment 12317975 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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is completely unsustainable, and that Golden State wins the next three games by double digits.

But I can do nothing but tip my hat to LeBron. That guy is willing his team. Hist numbers turned out inefficient, but the majority of the game, he was efficient. He was just gassed later on, and he attacked the rim a lot. While he didn't get some calls that should have been called (and not FGAs) it did free things up for offensive rebounds.

The one thing that doesn't mean much to me is his rebound total. The majority of those were defensive rebounds that were uncontested where all 9 other guys dropped back. But that often happened when guys like Magic and Kidd got their triple doubles, too.


I think Lebron is so fatigued right now, his shooting is going to be the big question mark. I think he went 5-22 in the 2nd half and OT. He didnt have any lift on his shot to end regulation, and you never see him get blocked the way he did on the layup attempt where Green sent it flying.

I think his rebounding totals are going up is because he isnt guarding any of GS's main players. He is usually sticking on Barnes or Iggy. In his younger days, he would be chasing Curry or Thompson everywhere trying to shut them down. But with Shump and Delly playing defense, he can sit and be a weak side defender (an excellent one at that). SO he is more likely to get boards by just hanging around the rim.

Plus there will be a lot of rebound opportunities since GS get shots off quicker and have been bricklayers to begin these finals.

And Klay Thompsons hot shooting is completely sustainable?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 9:23 am : link
Game 1 Klay goes quiet and it took Curry till the second off the catch fire.

Game 2 Klay drops 20 in the first half and slows down and scores only 10 points in the 2nd half and OT.

The tri of Tristan, Shump, and JR combined for 7/29. So a 24% shooting night between those 3 are going to be the norm as well for the rest of the series?

Its not like they were taking bad shots. Lebron set Shump and JR up with some pretty nice looks and they just missed on open 3s. They will be more of a factor, especially as they go back to Cleveland.
Curry shooting better  
UConn4523 : 6/8/2015 9:30 am : link
boiled over to Thompson playing better all season, its a huge part in how they won so many games. So yes, I think its reasonable to expect Thompson playing well if Curry gets his act together. Guarding 2 shooters when they are on is almost impossible.
Maybe all regular season  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 9:43 am : link
but Thompsons best performance against Houston was a 9 for 21 performance despite Curry balling out almost every game. Trend didn't continue in game 1 either.
The one thing that bothers me  
dep026 : 6/8/2015 9:59 am : link
with the national media is the over exposure from game to game. Is Curry the greatest shooter ever? Is GS one of the best teams ever? Is this Lebron James best performance ever? ANd on and on and on...

Listen, Lebron is by far and away the best player in this series, and in the NBA. He will probably go down as one of the top 2-3 players ever. There is no dispute or denial in that in my book. But all I have watched and heard this morning was this the greatest game he ever played.

Seriously????

He played well last night, but I have seen 100 games where he played better. He shot 11-35. Thats not good. Now he rebounded well, dished it amazingly. But he didnt stand out in the 2nd half or in OT. He isnt guarding at the level that he once was. He had some bad turnovers again. Why cant the media just say he had another good game. These past few games would not be the ones I'd use to escalate Lebron's credentials.
curry looked bad in game 1  
hitdog42 : 6/8/2015 10:09 am : link
with delladova on the bench... the warriors just won and curry hit a couple big shots... but he still looked bad. this delladova narrative is absurd for why curry shot bad. He has not looked to have the killers instinct all series.

As much as I am rooting for the warriors... I love the Cavs, and lebrons tone, post game... its going to be ugly because it needs to be ugly---
I think Blatt has flown so under the radar this year as well--- and in this playoff-- have you ever heard less about a coach who has been pulling the right strngs... and engineered a great defensive squad? the team is winning much because of LeBron.. but LeBron is not playing great defense... Cleveland is as a team... and that is on blatt.

Kerr has no answers yet and seems to be hoping for mean reversion.

Cleveland literally looks like a throwback sixers team with Iverson/larry brown- except you have LeBron and not AI... so a better version
hitdog  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/8/2015 10:37 am : link
I think Dellevadova is relying purely on defensive effort right now. Curry had some open looks, but he just had a terrible shooting night.

I did think this was an interesting tweet from ESPN

oops Dellavedova  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/8/2015 10:40 am : link
but really, shouldn't his last name be Dellavedov? I thought Russian surnames add the "a" for the last names of females.
RE: oops Dellavedova  
dep026 : 6/8/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12318117 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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but really, shouldn't his last name be Dellavedov? I thought Russian surnames add the "a" for the last names of females.


Isn't he Australian?
yeah  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/8/2015 10:43 am : link
but I thought he was of Russian ethnicity. Guess not.
the stats dont lie  
hitdog42 : 6/8/2015 10:43 am : link
but I thought curry looked poor in game 1 as well--- so the result has me thinking this is much more a curry not playing with edge and being a bit fragile out there mentally then delladova.

Barnes was so bad on wide open corner 3s at times too- whole team ex. klay in shambles
Bogut being abused by Moz  
dep026 : 6/8/2015 10:48 am : link
is a bit surprising too.
RE: Maybe all regular season  
UConn4523 : 6/8/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12318032 giantsfan44ab said:
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but Thompsons best performance against Houston was a 9 for 21 performance despite Curry balling out almost every game. Trend didn't continue in game 1 either.


Yes I get that, but you are comparing a small sample to a larger, proven sample. No doubt the playoffs is a different beast where you can throw a lot of regular season stats out of the window, but if Curry starts shooting well, its terrible news for Cleveland because Thompson would likely be open a lot more.

Curry playing this poorly is the only reason its not 2-0 on the way to a sweep. If he keeps throwing up duds, it won't matter what Thompson does (outside of insane 40+ point games which isn't likely). Defense still wins championships and LeBron is so good that a couple more bad nights for Curry is all it will take.
RE: RE: Maybe all regular season  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 11:30 am : link
In comment 12318143 UConn4523 said:
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but Thompsons best performance against Houston was a 9 for 21 performance despite Curry balling out almost every game. Trend didn't continue in game 1 either.



Yes I get that, but you are comparing a small sample to a larger, proven sample. No doubt the playoffs is a different beast where you can throw a lot of regular season stats out of the window, but if Curry starts shooting well, its terrible news for Cleveland because Thompson would likely be open a lot more.

Curry playing this poorly is the only reason its not 2-0 on the way to a sweep. If he keeps throwing up duds, it won't matter what Thompson does (outside of insane 40+ point games which isn't likely). Defense still wins championships and LeBron is so good that a couple more bad nights for Curry is all it will take.


Up until Curry hit a few shots in the 4th quarter, Cleveland was not doubling him. They would have the big man hedge out on him and have the guard switch back. When he looked like he was going to get back in rhythm, they started to double him and force the ball out of his hands.

But the point was that they were daring Curry and Thompson to beat them 1 on 1. Klay forces up some tough shots so they are relying on regression to the mean because they know he is going to hit a cold streak if he continues his poor shot selection. No other GS player seems to be getting involved consistently on offense so they are letting one of Curry or Klay beat them. Both will need to step up to put away the Cavs. I'm more concerned with Klay because he is known to be inconsistent, whereas this past game seems more like an anomaly than anything else.
And you can argue  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 11:32 am : link
Shump and Smith missing wide open 3s is a reason why CLEVELAND isn't up 2-0 with the series heading to Cleveland for 2 games.
I think this is going to be Warriors in 6  
Audible : 6/8/2015 11:35 am : link
Had Warriors in 5 originally because I didn't think the Cavs would be able to win one at the Roar-acle, but the Cavs have showed real well for two games, full credit to them. I don't think we're going to see another Curry shooting performance anywhere near this bad for the rest of the series. That was quite literally the worst shooting performance of his career.
Curry was fine in Gam 1  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/8/2015 11:36 am : link
10-for-20, 2-for-6 from 3, 4-for-4 from the line, for 26 points. He's shot better, but his shooting was fine.

Last night, he just couldn't buy a shot. It happens.

The pressure that Cleveland is required to play so far out against him has opened up the rest of the court so well, but Cleveland is doing a very, VERY good recovering. Credit to Blatt's coaching.
RE: And you can argue  
UConn4523 : 6/8/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12318205 giantsfan44ab said:
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Shump and Smith missing wide open 3s is a reason why CLEVELAND isn't up 2-0 with the series heading to Cleveland for 2 games.


Yes you can. You can take any stat and make any argument you want. But what is most likely, Curry getting closer to being the best shooter in the league for the remainder of the series, or Shumpert and JR Smith playing better for the remainder of the series?

Its really not a debate, the league MVP is playing nowhere near his average level of play while Shumpert/Smith or doing what they've done their whole careers give or take however, that doesn't mean either is a given. That's why they play the games.
That was targeted towards the comment  
giantsfan44ab : 6/8/2015 12:12 pm : link
that GS wins the next 3 by double digits. Its unfair to assume a correction on GS parts without assuming one for Cleveland. Its arguably safer to assume a correction on Cleveland's part because only one of Tristan, JR or Shump needs to step up to give Cleveland the extra edge.

I picked GS to win in 5 with a few blowouts because I thought the argument that the whole "a team has never been here before" argument was utter BS but I can somehow understand it now. Everyone outside of Curry and Klay are consistently deferring. Cleveland is forcing those guys to step up. Iggy, Livingston, and Speights did so in game 1 but all 3 disappeared in game 2. No one wants to shoot the ball on that end but Lebron is attacking looking for fouls on every play.

I have no idea who is going to win but GS Finals experience, or lack thereof, is blatantly showing.
I don't think we see any blowouts  
UConn4523 : 6/8/2015 12:14 pm : link
experience and defense will keep cleveland in every game.
RE: curry looked bad in game 1  
santacruzom : 6/8/2015 2:40 pm : link
In comment 12318066 hitdog42 said:
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Kerr has no answers yet and seems to be hoping for mean reversion.


Kerr is a patient and calm but proactive dude. He's not going to visibly panic, but he's probably not just sitting there counting on things to adjust on their own accord.
I think the Warriors are  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/9/2015 3:55 pm : link
just a shit-ton better despite these close games. I know Cleveland has been working their ass off on D and are superior on the boards, but the Warriors are just so much deeper.

But I get the strong feeling that LeBron's Magnum Opus is on the horizon. You can just sense it coming. There's a legendary 50/15/10 game in him that's just waiting to explode. I think either tonight or Game 4, we're going to see a LeBron game for the ages.

Rooting for the Cavs. The Warriors have the best crowd in basketball, the desperate Cleveland fanbase needs to match them in these Finals games.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/9/2015 3:57 pm : link
Why are the games at 9? NBA is stupid.

#oldpeoplecomplaints
I don't know why Kerr doesn't play Bogut more  
chris r : 6/9/2015 3:58 pm : link
you need a rim protector vs LeBron and you need to neutralize Cleveland on the glass. Plus Green hasn't been that good.
RE: ....  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 4:18 pm : link
In comment 12320422 BrettNYG10 said:
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Why are the games at 9? NBA is stupid.

#oldpeoplecomplaints


$$$$$. West coast people would be hard pressed to watch a game if it started at 7 EST since they are still working.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/9/2015 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12320466 dep026 said:
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Why are the games at 9? NBA is stupid.

#oldpeoplecomplaints



$$$$$. West coast people would be hard pressed to watch a game if it started at 7 EST since they are still working.


The NHL has theirs at 8. That's seemed like a reasonable compromise IMV.
RE: I think the Warriors are  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 4:21 pm : link
In comment 12320420 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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just a shit-ton better despite these close games. I know Cleveland has been working their ass off on D and are superior on the boards, but the Warriors are just so much deeper.

But I get the strong feeling that LeBron's Magnum Opus is on the horizon. You can just sense it coming. There's a legendary 50/15/10 game in him that's just waiting to explode. I think either tonight or Game 4, we're going to see a LeBron game for the ages.

Rooting for the Cavs. The Warriors have the best crowd in basketball, the desperate Cleveland fanbase needs to match them in these Finals games.


The one thing I worry about Lebron is he was physically spent and looked bad walking after the game. There is no doubt he is taxed. And like I said, he shot 5-22 in the 2nd half and OT, so its affecting his scoring, which they need him to do. With the flight back, and probably little practice in him, I can see him posting a legendary line and I could just as easily see him throw up a 8-31 game with 7 turnovers.

I would have LOVED to see Lebron in this situation about 4-5 years ago when he was prime Lebron. But he is older now. And father time beats everyone. Not saying he is going to suck, but the bounce back this game may not be there.
8pm is fine for East Coast games  
MetsAreBack : 6/9/2015 4:25 pm : link
but the games in San Fran/Oakland should start at 9, at least Mon-Thurs games. Those fans have to work too.

Never understood why some of those Ducks/hawks games started so early, especially when CHI fans are central time zone. My guess is Holland and the Red Wings had something to do with it.

dep's "father time" comment - feel like Joe is owed a royalty everytime someone says that. Man he loved that phrase.
I always  
Metnut : 6/9/2015 4:35 pm : link
thought that 8-30-8:45 eastern tipoff was fair. 9:10 eastern tipoff is pretty late, especially if the game goes to OT, but I understand that a lot of west coast people probably can't get out of work at 5 sharp to watch these games, so we just have to suck it up.
also Bogut gives GS  
chris r : 6/9/2015 4:43 pm : link
someone who can collapse the defense a little. GS' weakness is they don't have any great penetrators or post players, no one to collapse a defense and draw double or triple teams.
RE: also Bogut gives GS  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12320520 chris r said:
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someone who can collapse the defense a little. GS' weakness is they don't have any great penetrators or post players, no one to collapse a defense and draw double or triple teams.


Mozgov has owned Bogut this series. Bogut has been a lot worse than green.
LeBron  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 6:20 pm : link
is going to run out of steam-- especially tonight with the shorter rest. The cumulative effect of the energey he is expending will catch up to him, but hopefully Cleveland's other shooters can start knocking down shots with more consistency to keep the team in it.

Regarding LeBron's isolation game that many have criticized (in general), I wish the broadcast team would spend time explaining how that offensive strategy has actually helped out their defense.

By playing such a severe isolation game, it puts Cleveland in a much better position to get back and to get set on defense, which limits Golden State's transition and open-court game. There are fewer turnovers, fewer total possessions to keep the game closer.

Another thing specific to LeBron's iso, is that it keeps the rest of the guys (particularly Dellavedova and Shumpert) much fresher and conserves their energy to focus on defense.
I really hope LeBron doesn't cramp up  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/9/2015 6:26 pm : link
that would be the 3rd time in the Finals and be the most annoying talking point ever. But with the minutes he's playing and the massive role he has, it's a possibility.
another comment  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 6:31 pm : link
on this crazy level of ugly isolation basketball being played by LeBron. Over a seven game series, it likely won't work and they will likely lose. But the state of Cleveland's roster leaves them little choice.

It's like hitting on 16 in blackjack facing a picture card. You are desperate. You don't want to hit and you know that you will likely bust. But you still have to do it because it's still your best chance among your options.
I've rooted for Golden State all season  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 6:35 pm : link
because I love Curry, and I'm just a big fan of Kerr and this roster and this style of basketball. But I'm finding myself rooting hard for Cleveland in this series because I want to se LeBron accomplish something as impressive as anything the League has probably ever seen. It would be great for the sport. I also think Blatt has been unfairly criticized this season and I think he deserves a lot of credit for their half-court defense, for the emergence of Mozgov, and for dealing with as much roster turnover as I've ever seen on a championship team since the start of the season.
RE: RE: also Bogut gives GS  
chris r : 6/9/2015 8:11 pm : link
In comment 12320521 dep026 said:
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someone who can collapse the defense a little. GS' weakness is they don't have any great penetrators or post players, no one to collapse a defense and draw double or triple teams.



Mozgov has owned Bogut this series. Bogut has been a lot worse than green.


Bogut is the better player and needs to be given a chance to show it.
how anyone would root for LeBron and his self aggrandizing  
chris r : 6/9/2015 8:13 pm : link
decision, SI announcement, calling himself the king, dancing in games, flopping as a 260 lber, obvious roid use, "not 6, not 7 rings", bailing on his Miami teammates and costing them money, etc is beyond me.
RE: RE: RE: also Bogut gives GS  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12320754 chris r said:
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someone who can collapse the defense a little. GS' weakness is they don't have any great penetrators or post players, no one to collapse a defense and draw double or triple teams.



Mozgov has owned Bogut this series. Bogut has been a lot worse than green.



Bogut is the better player and needs to be given a chance to show it.


53 minutes and 2 FGs made. Thats pathetic.
I used  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 8:25 pm : link
to hate LeBron for his King James moniker and Chosen 1 tattoo, but I got over it. He has been treated like a god since he's a kid-- and at the time he accepted those nicknames-- the tattoo is permanent, and the Twitter handle stuck.

The flopping is annoying, and I wish the NBA would do a better job regulating it out of the NBA. But the only superstar who doesn't flop or freak out about not getting calls is Carmelo, but he never gets credit for that. LeBron also takes more contact than probably anyone in the league, too.

As far as his "obvious steroid use," give me some proof, or some persuasive circumstantial evidence that corroborates use. Otherwise, it's nothing more than your typical contrarian, fly-in-the-ointment nonsense.

And if you like basketball, I don't know how you could hate LeBron. He's the least selfish scoring superstar perhaps the league has ever seen. He's an athletic marvel with a fantastic baskeball IQ who looks to get his teammates involved. If you can't appreciate that, then I don't know why you would continue to watch sports.
1st possession  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:12 pm : link
Bogut with no weakside defense, then passes up a dunk to turn it over.

Now Bogut gives up a defensive rebound  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:13 pm : link
for a dunk. Thats why he doesnt play radar.
Fuck Draymond Green  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:13 pm : link
guy is a dirty overrated player.
I would love to see  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:17 pm : link
Cleveland win 2 of next 3 and have a chance to clinch at home. That would be awesome to watch
Problem with GS  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:19 pm : link
is that their 3-4-5 players cant score.
harrison Barnes is fine as your 3  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 9:20 pm : link
i am surprised they do not play lee at all..especially with Green struggling and getting killed on the boards
Bogut  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:22 pm : link
is grabbing guys arms on nearly every rebound to prevent them from grabbing it
phantom  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:23 pm : link
foul on Thompson
RE: Bogut  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12320900 MookGiants said:
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is grabbing guys arms on nearly every rebound to prevent them from grabbing it


Because he can not move...
another  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
dirty illegal screen by Green not called.

One of my least favorite players in the NBA. That is not a legal screen, Van Gundy, you jackass. He moved the entire time.
Bogut is awful  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
he belongs nowhere near this series.

And I thought that was a moving screen, but it looked good after the replay.
Bogut has had a few chances to challange LeBron at the bsdket  
chris r : 6/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
And has declined. He's way too soft. Outside green, GS is too soft.
RE: another  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
In comment 12320909 MookGiants said:
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dirty illegal screen by Green not called.

One of my least favorite players in the NBA. That is not a legal screen, Van Gundy, you jackass. He moved the entire time.


I dont know. I thought it was at first by looking at the replay it wasnt as bad as I thought. I have seen players get away with a lot worse than that.
Didn't look like an illegal screen to me  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/9/2015 9:26 pm : link
Just physical basketball.
LOL  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:31 pm : link
Draymond. You suck. How he was considered to MIP over Butler is funny now. He's going to be one of the worst contract in the NBA next year.
So i guess  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 9:31 pm : link
Delladova is going to continue to be allowed to just grab Steph Curry whenever he wants since he cant keep up with him
Someone take the  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:33 pm : link
hands off Curry's throat already... haha
why  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:33 pm : link
is LeBron throwing up shots left handed? That's two bricks
Umm  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:37 pm : link
why was that not a foul on Curry?
RE: Umm  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 9:38 pm : link
In comment 12320952 MookGiants said:
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why was that not a foul on Curry?


Because Deladova flopped, Curry didnt touch him
Kerr has to realize  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:46 pm : link
that depth in the playoffs is overrated. If you are going to sit both Klay and Curry for Barbosa, you deserve to lose. Barbosa sucks.
These refs smh  
chris r : 6/9/2015 9:53 pm : link
And I apologize for saying bogut should play more. He looks like he doesn't even care.
When's the last time steph broke his man down  
chris r : 6/9/2015 9:55 pm : link
Off the bounce?
Bogut  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 9:56 pm : link
isn't even giving an effort. Kerr needs to plant him to the bench and just play Ezeli/Speights
This is one of the worst officiated games I've seen  
chris r : 6/9/2015 9:56 pm : link
Of course I say that every game.
Shumpert looks like he can not even lift that arm  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 9:56 pm : link
and i agree 1 of Curry or Thompson should be on the court at all times...
If GS wants any chance to win  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 9:57 pm : link
they have to bench Bogut. He brings nothing to the table but dumb fouls.

Santa, this is why your team trails in free throws every game. He commits that dumbest fouls because he is lazy. He's soft as shit.
Lol LeBron took five steps  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:04 pm : link
Fuck the NBA.
And this needs to be said  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:05 pm : link
Curry is flat out sucking. Not struggling. Sucking. He is being owned by Delly. Its an iexcusable effort from the MVP of the league. Its actually embarrassing.
JR Smith  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:09 pm : link
reminding everyone why the Knicks couldn't give him away for free to anyone.
Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:10 pm : link
deflects to Fezili. Pathetic.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:11 pm : link
has missed 4 really easy shots
Blatt  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:14 pm : link
just schooled Kerr on that.
Delladova is a dirty piece of shit  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 10:15 pm : link
i dont care if it was a moving screen you do not dive at a players knee, that is not playing hard that is playing dirty...


Link - ( New Window )
Lets get something straight  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:16 pm : link
This GS team is NOWHERE near an all-time great team. In fact, if they win - it will be one of the worst teams I ever seen win in my lifetime. Throw all those fancy new age stats out the door.

They have no inside game
They are soft as shit
Kerr has been suspect at best coaching wise this series
Due to the amount of fouls they committ, they are overrated defensively.

They are getting outplayed and have no answers. Cleveland is running three plays.

Wing screen and role
Double high screen
ISO

And they still cant stop it.

And Steph Curry? Better wake up and quick.
RE: Delladova is a dirty piece of shit  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12321069 nygiants16 said:
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i dont care if it was a moving screen you do not dive at a players knee, that is not playing hard that is playing dirty...
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Its about the 6th dirty play he has made during the playoffs - the NBA does nothing, so he continues to do it.
that link  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:20 pm : link
brings me to an illegal moving screen that included a forearm from Green, but I have yet to find diving at Green's knees. I see him hit Green and Green flop like a fish to the floor, but no where in that video does he dive at Greens knees
RE: that link  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12321074 MookGiants said:
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brings me to an illegal moving screen that included a forearm from Green, but I have yet to find diving at Green's knees. I see him hit Green and Green flop like a fish to the floor, but no where in that video does he dive at Greens knees


I agree with Hreens illegal screen, but you are joking you dont see him diving at Green's knees? My god, its right there.
Wades face is like half the size as previously  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:21 pm : link
He must be off the juice.
You did not see him go low?  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 10:22 pm : link
..
You  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:22 pm : link
have an odd definition of "dive"

He threw a shoulder into him, he didn't dive at anything. If he dove, wouldn't he have also wound up on the floor at the same time?
The screen was absolutely moving  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 10:22 pm : link
that is not the point...
RE: You did not see him go low?  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:22 pm : link
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He was already "low" because of Greens illegal moving screen/forearm.

He took a shot at him, certainly, but he did not dive at his knees. That's absurd.
RE: You  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12321078 MookGiants said:
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have an odd definition of "dive"

He threw a shoulder into him, he didn't dive at anything. If he dove, wouldn't he have also wound up on the floor at the same time?


Throwing a shoulder at a guys knees when not looking is one of the dirtiest plays in basketball. It god damn dangerous. No place for it in the game whatsoever.
RE: RE: You  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:25 pm : link
In comment 12321082 dep026 said:
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have an odd definition of "dive"

He threw a shoulder into him, he didn't dive at anything. If he dove, wouldn't he have also wound up on the floor at the same time?



Throwing a shoulder at a guys knees when not looking is one of the dirtiest plays in basketball. It god damn dangerous. No place for it in the game whatsoever.


On what planet is this "diving" at a guys knees?

He threw his shoulder into his knee  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2015 10:26 pm : link
not sure how that can be seen differently. I wouldn't call it a dive but he definitely drove his shoulder into green and there was no ball to even make a play on to defend it.
He's hitting  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:27 pm : link
his knee. What would you call it. Knocking? Pushing? Shouldering? Diving? Use whatever definition you want. Its fucking bush league from a player who has done numerous bush league moves all playoffs.
That screenshot  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2015 10:27 pm : link
literally shows it. Again, not a dive, but wih his back turned you'd expect not to get a shoulder to the side of your knee.
I don't think  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:28 pm : link
he ever made contact with his knee.

He never dove at anything. He was knocked to the ground by Green's illegal screen and then took a shot at him. If he dove at Green's knee's Green would be on crutches right now.

And what the freeze frame doesnt  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:29 pm : link
show is him going into the back of his knee. That was just the ending of it.

He's a dirtbag. He has been doing shit like this all playoffs. This is not a coincidence.
It was definitely a shitty screen too  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2015 10:30 pm : link
didn't realize he thee his allow into it. Both players are pieces of shit.
Green took a shot  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:30 pm : link
so did Dellavadova. Both guys are dirty, but that one was no where near as bad as you guys (or the article) make it sound.

Wow that didn't make sense  
UConn4523 : 6/9/2015 10:31 pm : link
*that he threw his elbow...
Delly  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:32 pm : link
has flat out owned Curry.
Halftime thoughts  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 10:33 pm : link
Green gave Dellavedova a forearm and from a lowered position, Dellavedova rammed Green back-- it wasn't near his knees though. IT was into his ass/hips.

Green brings a lot to the table as a two-way player (though his offense is more of a wide open option for 3), but his dirty plays and constant whining are such a turn off that i wouldn't want to root for him.

Bogut was a great rim protector all year, but for whatever reason, this style of clear out iso ball has really made him completely ineffective.

Also, when he grabbed Lebron's arm to prevent a rebound (something he does all game), I had flashbacks to the Olynik/Love play.

Curry hasn't been right since he hurt his shoulder. Maybe that's a factor-- maybe Cleveland's defense is giving him trouble, and maybe he just can't buy a bucket these last two games.

But Blatt deserves a lot of credit because he has done a phenomenal job preparing this team defensively for Golden State's offense.
Like I have said  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:36 pm : link
before this series started and got ripped.... this team doesnt miss Love or Irving. They are so much better defensively without them. ANd while they dont have a second scorer, the ball is in Lebron's hands all the time now, so thats not a bad thing.

GS though. Just awful.
Kerr should  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:38 pm : link
just play Iggy instead of Green. Green is a bitch.
cavs are playaing great d  
ADeP7 : 6/9/2015 10:40 pm : link
But damn golden state just missing everything my god

Green has been so terrible  
illmatic : 6/9/2015 10:41 pm : link
Absolutely non factor. I'm shocked that Curry is still playing bad too.
BARNES!!!  
B in ALB : 6/9/2015 10:41 pm : link
Stop fucking shooting!
I think they absolutely miss Love  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 10:42 pm : link
once they got their spacing and rotations right, they were cruising with Love.

And his real +/- with him on the court was outstanding in the postseason until his injury.
Nice defense  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:42 pm : link
by Mozgov.
Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:42 pm : link
sucking. Complete no show on the biggest stage.
if Barnes is wide open  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:43 pm : link
and doesn't shoot then they have to take him out. He shouldn't shoot jumpers like that but if he's wide open he has to shoot.
Barnes  
B in ALB : 6/9/2015 10:43 pm : link
Get the fuck outta the game. He's horrific.
GS is completely rattled  
illmatic : 6/9/2015 10:43 pm : link
They look like what they are - a bunch of young inexperienced kids out there. They can't buy a bucket.
RE: I think they absolutely miss Love  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12321106 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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once they got their spacing and rotations right, they were cruising with Love.

And his real +/- with him on the court was outstanding in the postseason until his injury.


They dont miss him one iota. They rebound just as well. And are much better defensively. This isnt even debatable.

This series is over.
Warriors look scared  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 10:44 pm : link
they have never had to play a physical game and they are starting to whine and can not handle it
here goes  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 10:45 pm : link
dep saying ridiculous shit. It's 1-1 in the 3rd quarter of the finals, the Cavs are playing with LeBron and a bunch of garbage and suddenly the series is over?

Come on.

And I hate Love, but they are not better off without him.
Warriors are playing like shit  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:47 pm : link
LeBron has hard a terribly inefficient game and they're still down double figures? Embarrassingly bad performance. And curry needs to return that mvp.
I said Cavs in 6  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:47 pm : link
I said Cleveland was better without Love/Irving.
I have said all playoffs that Cleveland had the best defense in the NBA without being it close.

My predictions are damn closer than what anyone else said. I believe the majority of people had GS in 5 at most 6.

Without Love they are 11-3 in the playoffs.
Without Irving they are 4-0.

But yet these guys are missed? Dont seem like it to me.
This series isn't  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 10:47 pm : link
close to over. This game isn't close to over. All it takes is for Curry/Thompson to get their rhythm back and this deficit can be erased in a hurry. For as great defense as they are playing right now, there are plenty of open shots that a great shooting Golden State team could be knocking down.
Blowout  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:49 pm : link
Cavs in 6, maybe 5.
GS is a bunch of pussies  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:50 pm : link
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LeBron flopping like the career bitch he is  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:52 pm : link
To bad he's not playing a legit team like SA this year that doesn't fold like a cheap lawn chair.
Kerr seems like an idiot to me  
Essex : 6/9/2015 10:52 pm : link
. not a huge NBA guy, but in three games he really has not found any answers to Cleveland's defense.
How is that a foul?  
chris r : 6/9/2015 10:53 pm : link
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RE: This series isn't  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12321117 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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close to over. This game isn't close to over. All it takes is for Curry/Thompson to get their rhythm back and this deficit can be erased in a hurry. For as great defense as they are playing right now, there are plenty of open shots that a great shooting Golden State team could be knocking down.


You're really overrating the Warriors. They arent as good as people think.
LULZ Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:55 pm : link
what a chokejob by him.
Kerr's no Derek Fisher,  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2015 10:57 pm : link
that's for damn sure. Mark Jackson must be loving this.
When are people going to start giving Cleveland credit for their D?  
arcarsenal : 6/9/2015 10:57 pm : link
All I keep hearing is how the Warriors are blowing it and missing their shots and excuse after excuse..

Cleveland was an excellent defensive team all year. This isn't a coincidence.
Kerr is a smart guy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 10:57 pm : link
and he has done a great job all season. A lot of Golden State's offense relies on the transition game and not letting the defense get set-- which is a facet that has been negated by Cleveland's iso-ball. Cleveland is always set on defense with fresh legs (save Lebron).

But at some point, Curry and Klay have to do their thing and take over. And when the shots aren't falling, there's only so much Kerr can do.

Plus, Bogut, who was a big part of their team this year, has been absolutely awful thus far.
Kerr is lost  
Essex : 6/9/2015 10:58 pm : link
He missed that sub at the end of the half, team just doesn't have any plan B when their shots aren't falling.
RE: When are people going to start giving Cleveland credit for their D?  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12321130 arcarsenal said:
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All I keep hearing is how the Warriors are blowing it and missing their shots and excuse after excuse..

Cleveland was an excellent defensive team all year. This isn't a coincidence.


I have been the only one this thread saying this. I have been saying it since the Bulls series.
Clevelands interior defense has been good  
Essex : 6/9/2015 11:01 pm : link
Are you saying Curry and klay haven't had wide open looks this series. Please.
Golden State  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 11:01 pm : link
steamrolled what was considered arguably the or one of the most loaded conference ever. They won it by 11 games. I'm not overrating anything.

Also, Cleveland's defense is very strong-- and the credit goes to Blatt. His calling card was defense and what he's created with Cleveland is fantastic, especially considering that the two players who led the Cavaliers in minutes this season are out with injury.
and just like that  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:02 pm : link
it's a 9 point game.

No lead is safe in the nba, never mind against this GS team
Pretty sweet pass by David Lee there  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:03 pm : link
Good for him, the forgotten man
RE: Golden State  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12321136 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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steamrolled what was considered arguably the or one of the most loaded conference ever. They won it by 11 games. I'm not overrating anything.

Also, Cleveland's defense is very strong-- and the credit goes to Blatt. His calling card was defense and what he's created with Cleveland is fantastic, especially considering that the two players who led the Cavaliers in minutes this season are out with injury.


People made this team look like this was one of the greatest teams ever. They arent.

Their huge advantage all year was that they had 9-10 guys who can play huge productive minutes where most teams dont. So over a course of an 82 game season, they will be better than most teams since teams wont play their superstars 39-42 minutes.

The playoffs are a different animal though. Opposing teams are going to play their best players major minutes, which neutralize their bench advantage.
This is the NBA...  
arcarsenal : 6/9/2015 11:05 pm : link
The 17 point lead disappearing was the easiest thing to predict. It'll be a 1-2 possession game in crunch time. 9 points got shaved off in the blink of an eye.
And come playoff time  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:07 pm : link
the west was anything but loaded.

OKC didnt make it bc of injuries
NO lost their PG
Houston lost their PG
Chris paul missed games
Portland played without Matthews.

The west was beaten down by injuries.

referees  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:08 pm : link
becoming part of the game now.
RE: referees  
mfsd : 6/9/2015 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12321144 MookGiants said:
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becoming part of the game now.


Makes one recall the stories told by Donaghy...as of the refs are doing what's necessary to make this a close game
RE: referees  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:10 pm : link
In comment 12321144 MookGiants said:
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becoming part of the game now.


I am glad they counted the goaltending, because it was the right call - but your right on the others.
Kerr might as well give Lee more playing time  
illmatic : 6/9/2015 11:10 pm : link
He's already playing better than Bogut and Green.
Gotta hand it to Lee  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:11 pm : link
Guy hasn't played in forever and he comes off the bench and looks sharp
Lee will kill them  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:12 pm : link
defensively.
Of course he will  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:14 pm : link
But it's still impressive to see him play that well on offense when he hasn't seen the court in weeks
I can't believe  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2015 11:14 pm : link
Barbosa is getting crunch time minutes in the 2015 NBA Finals.
RE: Of course he will  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:15 pm : link
In comment 12321151 Greg from LI said:
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But it's still impressive to see him play that well on offense when he hasn't seen the court in weeks


Oh I agree. Didnt want to diminish his impact so far. Came across as I did.
It's as if the league said  
santacruzom : 6/9/2015 11:18 pm : link
"Alright, we better let this one get close... let's give the Warriors *some* calls here."
I have no idea  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:18 pm : link
what LeBron is doing offensively in this 4th quarter, if he doesn't cut the shit they are going to lose and lose going away
Hey look, Shumpert still sucks  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:20 pm : link
Who knew?
should have been an and one  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:21 pm : link
not could have been, van gundy
Lebron about to ham it up with this "injury"  
illmatic : 6/9/2015 11:21 pm : link
Gotta play it up for everyone.
RE: Hey look, Shumpert still sucks  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12321158 Greg from LI said:
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Who knew?


His offense was going to come back to earth after the last two series, but defensively? He has been an absolute beast this series.
RE: RE: Hey look, Shumpert still sucks  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12321161 dep026 said:
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Who knew?



His offense was going to come back to earth after the last two series, but defensively? He has been an absolute beast this series.


Wasn't he guarding Thompson pretty much all of game 2 where Thompson went off?
Just as you with Lee's defense  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:23 pm : link
I should have specified, Shumpert still sucks at offense.
ham it up  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 11:24 pm : link
Jesus Christ. The guy is playing the most ball dominant basketball you'll see, averaging 47 mpg over the three games and carrying the weight he carries. And they are playing with a small rotation because of injury. So the guy gets a cramp after a late-game alley-oop, and suddenly he's hamming it up.
RE: RE: RE: Hey look, Shumpert still sucks  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:25 pm : link
In comment 12321162 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12321161 dep026 said:


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In comment 12321158 Greg from LI said:


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Who knew?



His offense was going to come back to earth after the last two series, but defensively? He has been an absolute beast this series.



Wasn't he guarding Thompson pretty much all of game 2 where Thompson went off?


And has guarded him in game 1 and 3 where he shut him down. He also has 10 steals in 3 games. And shooting 50% from the floor and 33% from 3 is hardly going off.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:25 pm : link
needs to pressure the ball there and not allow Iguodala and easy dump in
JR Smith= brain dead  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:26 pm : link
.
Well Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:26 pm : link
finally came to play.
holy  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:27 pm : link
shit
And thats why Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:27 pm : link
kills you. Defensively. He cant guard Delly.
Back to choke Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:28 pm : link
you cant do that in the finals.
Delavadova  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:28 pm : link
got fouled on that loose ball too. He does some dirty shit but that guy can play for me any day
When something like that Dellavedova shot  
santacruzom : 6/9/2015 11:29 pm : link
Happens, all bets are off.
Bam  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:29 pm : link
LeBron shows Steph how it's done
LeBron motherfuckin' James...  
arcarsenal : 6/9/2015 11:29 pm : link
.
Steph Curry  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:29 pm : link
is the A #1 reason why they are down 2-1. Just absolutely pathetic basketball to end the game. And guess who they used in the screen to get Lebron open?

You guessed it.... Curry.
You're not using  
santacruzom : 6/9/2015 11:30 pm : link
That Dellavedova ass-pull as an exhibit against Curry's D are you?
These refs smh  
chris r : 6/9/2015 11:31 pm : link
Fuck it's painful watching this league.
The Warrios began to suck  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:31 pm : link
as soon as Green got put back in. And now he chucks another 3. The guy has quickly gone from underrated to overrated.
RE: You're not using  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:32 pm : link
In comment 12321181 santacruzom said:
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That Dellavedova ass-pull as an exhibit against Curry's D are you?


He has been abused in pick and rolls for two games. And Delly has been pretty good offensively outside that one play.

And Curry with another turnover..... choke city.
How the fuck is that not a foul in James  
chris r : 6/9/2015 11:33 pm : link
This league has no fucking credibility. It's wwf shit every fucking season and yet we dumb ass fans keep watching.
RE: These refs smh  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:34 pm : link
In comment 12321182 chris r said:
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Fuck it's painful watching this league.


It's been this way forever, and im sure it wasn't painful when Jordan was getting every call for over a decade. This is the NBA. The refs always have and always will suck
That epitomizes this game  
santacruzom : 6/9/2015 11:34 pm : link
How that play turned into a foul on GS is just outer space shit.
RE: How the fuck is that not a foul in James  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:35 pm : link
In comment 12321185 chris r said:
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This league has no fucking credibility. It's wwf shit every fucking season and yet we dumb ass fans keep watching.


Curry lost the ball before he ever got fouled. They aren't going to bail him out after he already turned it over nor should they.
If Matt Delladova outplays the MVP  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:36 pm : link
of the league for 2 consecutive games, you dont ask or beg for calls. You arent good enough to win.

And another Curry turnover. Pathetic basketball from a MVP.
Jeez Curry is a turnover machine now  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:36 pm : link
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RE: That epitomizes this game  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12321187 santacruzom said:
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How that play turned into a foul on GS is just outer space shit.


The MVP has sucked balls. Thats why they are losing.
Holy shit, Shumpert.  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2015 11:37 pm : link
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RE: RE: How the fuck is that not a foul in James  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12321188 MookGiants said:
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This league has no fucking credibility. It's wwf shit every fucking season and yet we dumb ass fans keep watching.



Curry lost the ball before he ever got fouled. They aren't going to bail him out after he already turned it over nor should they.


That literallly makes zero sense...so Lebron is allowed to slide tackle him? whether Curry lost the ball is irrelevant he still slide tackled him..
The world is against lebron  
chris r : 6/9/2015 11:38 pm : link
Every fucking minute he's whining about something. He's insufferable.
RE: RE: RE: How the fuck is that not a foul in James  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12321193 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12321188 MookGiants said:


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In comment 12321185 chris r said:


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This league has no fucking credibility. It's wwf shit every fucking season and yet we dumb ass fans keep watching.



Curry lost the ball before he ever got fouled. They aren't going to bail him out after he already turned it over nor should they.



That literallly makes zero sense...so Lebron is allowed to slide tackle him? whether Curry lost the ball is irrelevant he still slide tackled him..


It's like a guy getting his shot blocked and then getting basically run over, they NEVER call a foul on the contact after a clean block.
Oh my, this is just too rich and delicious  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:39 pm : link
A Jordan jocksniffer like radar is crying about officiating. That's just the cherry on top of this game.
RE: RE: RE: How the fuck is that not a foul in James  
santacruzom : 6/9/2015 11:39 pm : link
In comment 12321193 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12321188 MookGiants said:


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In comment 12321185 chris r said:


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This league has no fucking credibility. It's wwf shit every fucking season and yet we dumb ass fans keep watching.



Curry lost the ball before he ever got fouled. They aren't going to bail him out after he already turned it over nor should they.



That literallly makes zero sense...so Lebron is allowed to slide tackle him? whether Curry lost the ball is irrelevant he still slide tackled him..


It was definitely within the character of the game as a whole... the whole third quarter was full of non-calls on Cleveland countered by touch fouls on GS.
RE: Oh my, this is just too rich and delicious  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:40 pm : link
In comment 12321197 Greg from LI said:
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A Jordan jocksniffer like radar is crying about officiating. That's just the cherry on top of this game.


Just for the record, Radar and I are not associated in any way.
RE: Oh my, this is just too rich and delicious  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2015 11:41 pm : link
In comment 12321197 Greg from LI said:
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A Jordan jocksniffer like radar is crying about officiating. That's just the cherry on top of this game.


Seriously. Bulls fans bitching about star treatment. Holy shit.
you have  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:43 pm : link
to trap him
How will the refs  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2015 11:45 pm : link
blow this call?
Refs  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:46 pm : link
fucked this one up.... bad.
this  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:46 pm : link
can't be real life. They have to be able to review this.
NBA refs lol  
KevinBBWC : 6/9/2015 11:46 pm : link
.
NBA officials  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 11:46 pm : link
gotta love it
Well it will be  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:46 pm : link
Cavs ball. No harm, no foul.
Thompson  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:47 pm : link
fouled him, and he was out of bounds when he touched the ball, too
RE: If Matt Delladova outplays the MVP  
HomerJones45 : 6/9/2015 11:47 pm : link
In comment 12321189 dep026 said:
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of the league for 2 consecutive games, you dont ask or beg for calls. You arent good enough to win.

And another Curry turnover. Pathetic basketball from a MVP.
Delladova is playing Arena football out there and they are letting him do it. Whatever game he's playing, it's not basketball.
If the official  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 11:47 pm : link
doesnt know what he is calling, why is he blowing the whistle?
These refs are idiots.  
batman11 : 6/9/2015 11:48 pm : link
How many refs do u need to see that? What a joke.
If these guys were in the street  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:48 pm : link
there could be some criminal charges for assault pressed on the Golden State players, they are mugging every cavs player before ball is even in
RE: If the official  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2015 11:49 pm : link
In comment 12321212 nygiants16 said:
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doesnt know what he is calling, why is he blowing the whistle?


This. What the hell were they whistling for?
Mook  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:50 pm : link
you may not get your wish...

This may end in GS.

Ill assume Curry aint bringing Riley to the press conference again?
James clutch from the ft line with no pressure on him  
chris r : 6/9/2015 11:50 pm : link
I'd he loses no one cares, unlike in previous finals where he routinely choked.
Warriors  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:51 pm : link
still have a very good shot to win this series. If Curry is finally out of his funk they will not lose game 4.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:51 pm : link
In comment 12321216 dep026 said:
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you may not get your wish...

This may end in GS.

Ill assume Curry aint bringing Riley to the press conference again?


If Curry's 4th quarter is a sign of things to come in this series GS will win this series.
RE: James clutch from the ft line with no pressure on him  
MetsAreBack : 6/9/2015 11:51 pm : link
In comment 12321217 chris r said:
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I'd he loses no one cares, unlike in previous finals where he routinely choked.


lol. troll. must be.
Got to call a spade a spade  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:51 pm : link
on that loose ball o nthe baseline.... Delly was clearly out of bounds. And it wasnt reviewed.
RE: James clutch from the ft line with no pressure on him  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:51 pm : link
In comment 12321217 chris r said:
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I'd he loses no one cares, unlike in previous finals where he routinely choked.


You are so pathetic that it's actually funny.
Ugly basketball  
HomerJones45 : 6/9/2015 11:52 pm : link
the commentators can shill this to High Heaven but that was ugly.
RE: Got to call a spade a spade  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12321221 dep026 said:
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on that loose ball o nthe baseline.... Delly was clearly out of bounds. And it wasnt reviewed.


Well, they never did show a replay of when they called the jump ball to see where his feet were, so you can't say that he was definitely out, because the picture they showed was well after the jump ball was called. He may have had his feet in the air, you don't know.

And anyways, it didn't hurt the Warriors at all considering that possession wound up in a Curry corner three
RE: RE: Mook  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12321219 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12321216 dep026 said:


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you may not get your wish...

This may end in GS.

Ill assume Curry aint bringing Riley to the press conference again?



If Curry's 4th quarter is a sign of things to come in this series GS will win this series.


Where he turns it over 4 times and cant guard a soul? A few helter-skleter threes is an anomaly. He's been outplayed by a backup PG for 2 games straight. And the Warriors dont have a soul who can do a thing on the inside.

They cant score or get to the foul line. Two recipes for disaster against Cleveland.
RE: Ugly basketball  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12321223 HomerJones45 said:
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the commentators can shill this to High Heaven but that was ugly.


Yup. Entertaining but ugly at the same time. Not that well played, but that's the way the Cavs have to play it if they want to win. And thye know it
The funniest part about that comment  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2015 11:53 pm : link
i saying Lebron does not get criticized...do you watch tv?
RE: RE: Got to call a spade a spade  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:54 pm : link
In comment 12321224 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12321221 dep026 said:


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on that loose ball o nthe baseline.... Delly was clearly out of bounds. And it wasnt reviewed.



Well, they never did show a replay of when they called the jump ball to see where his feet were, so you can't say that he was definitely out, because the picture they showed was well after the jump ball was called. He may have had his feet in the air, you don't know.

And anyways, it didn't hurt the Warriors at all considering that possession wound up in a Curry corner three


They just showed a replay before they interviewed him,. He was out of bounds. It wasnt even close.
Maybe I don't know basketball as well as you guys  
AgentZero : 6/9/2015 11:55 pm : link
But when did it become legal for lebron to run into players from behind causing them to turnover? I'm not being sarcastic, how is that legal?
RE: Maybe I don't know basketball as well as you guys  
dep026 : 6/9/2015 11:56 pm : link
In comment 12321230 AgentZero said:
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But when did it become legal for lebron to run into players from behind causing them to turnover? I'm not being sarcastic, how is that legal?


He lost the ball before he was fouled. They rarely call it in that situation.
RE: Maybe I don't know basketball as well as you guys  
MookGiants : 6/9/2015 11:57 pm : link
In comment 12321230 AgentZero said:
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But when did it become legal for lebron to run into players from behind causing them to turnover? I'm not being sarcastic, how is that legal?


Curry turned that ball over before LeBron made contact. The refs aren't going to bail Curry out with a foul after he already lost it, like they dont bail a guy out who gets his shot blocked clean and then gets clobbered afterwards.
this series is so far from over  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/9/2015 11:58 pm : link
for as bad as Steph was in the firs quarter, he was lights out shooting at the end. He still ended with 27/6/6, shooting 7/13 from 3. His turnovers were a problem, and his production came too late, but he produced a lot more than his teammates.

The problem for Golden State is that they haven't had a game yet where both Klay and Steph are shooting well, and shooting well early.

Dellavedova didn't outplay Steph. He just completely outplayed expectations and came up with some hustle plays which is big considering his role on the team. He is in no way a focal point of that Cavs offense whereas Steph is.

This series is far from over. Fatigue will be a factor, and Steph reminded of what makes him so dangerous towards the end of the game. If he gets that going early in Game 4, it's going to open things up for everyone.

And Klay didn't look right at all. I know he was limping and iced up after Game 2, so hopefully it's nothing too serious.
Ok  
AgentZero : 6/9/2015 11:59 pm : link
I didn't have replay so didn't see he lost the ball first.
RE: this series is so far from over  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:01 am : link
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Dellavedova didn't outplay Steph. He just completely outplayed expectations and came up with some hustle plays which is big considering his role on the team. He is in no way a focal point of that Cavs offense whereas Steph is.


I would disagree 1000x. Curry was the reason they got down 20 late in the third. Delly's defense on him until the game got helter skelter was lock down. Curry didnt even get to the free throw once. And Curry's defense is putrid to say the least. Yeah Curry made some 3 late, but he had some BRUTAL turnovers down the strethc and also was picked on defensively.

Dellevdova was the better player tonight.
And even though I said this may end in GS....  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:05 am : link
realistically this will end in Cleveland. I dont know why people still think GS are the favorites.

1. They dont get to the line based on all their jump shooting.
2. They have no inside game whatsoever.
3. They are going against the best defensive team they have seen all year.
4. They are going against Lebron.

This is reminding me of the 04' finals other than the fact that Detroit didnt have a player of Lebron's caliber.
Dellavedova  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/10/2015 12:05 am : link
had no one focusing on him on offense. He played good, gritty defense on Steph early.

Steph was cold early and couldn't get it going, but he wasn't the only reason they were down 20. Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes were 2-for-18 shooting, and Klay was 6-for-16.
And the reason why the shooters havent gotten off  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:06 am : link
is because they are playing against top echelon defenders. No Jason Terrys, Courtney Allens, Tyereke Evans and Eric Gordons of the world.
yes Cleveland has as good defense  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/10/2015 12:08 am : link
but 2-for-18 was not only because of Cleveland. There were many wide open shots that didn't fall. And on top of that, Draymond, who was great defensively all season, picked up a lot of fouls early with stupid fouls.
RE: Dellavedova  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:09 am : link
In comment 12321237 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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had no one focusing on him on offense. He played good, gritty defense on Steph early.

Steph was cold early and couldn't get it going, but he wasn't the only reason they were down 20. Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes were 2-for-18 shooting, and Klay was 6-for-16.


Curry has to be the best player on their team. Thats what separates guys like Lebron, Jordan, Duncan, etc of the world. They rely on their teammates all year, but when its time to become the man - they separate themselves. There were times in the game where Curry had Tristan Thompson on him, and he is looking to throw the ball into a guy named Festus Ezeli.

And also, Curry is a horrible defender. Due mostly to his size and stature. But they are most definitely picking on him.
With no inside game  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:11 am : link
and not getting to the line, it will be very hard to beat Cleveland.
RE: RE: Maybe I don't know basketball as well as you guys  
HomerJones45 : 6/10/2015 12:13 am : link
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But when did it become legal for lebron to run into players from behind causing them to turnover? I'm not being sarcastic, how is that legal?



Curry turned that ball over before LeBron made contact. The refs aren't going to bail Curry out with a foul after he already lost it, like they dont bail a guy out who gets his shot blocked clean and then gets clobbered afterwards.
You can't have players totally out of control sliding into each other. But they let a lot of stuff go all game so you can't call anything there which is one reason it was an ugly game and no doubt, after the exhibition Dellavadova put on, the next game will be even uglier.
Who said  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/10/2015 12:14 am : link
Steph Curry was on the level of Lebron, Jordan and Duncan?

We were talking Steph vs. Dellavedova and then you were blaming Steph for being down 20, when his entire team played like shit. The difference is that he caught fire later on whereas the rest of his starting lineup remained bad-to-terrible all game.

Perhaps if his teammates gave him anything early on when he was struggling, then his superlative late-game shooting would have given them the lead and the win instead of keeping them just nipping at Cleveland's heels.
RE: Who said  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:16 am : link
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Steph Curry was on the level of Lebron, Jordan and Duncan?



He's the MVP of the league. He has to play better. You cant be a non factor for 7 straight quarters of the NBA finals. And he was horrific in game 2, and shut down through 3 quarters. And even with his late barrage, his turnovers/defense were just as critical to the outcome.
the Warriors actually can have a decent inside game  
santacruzom : 6/10/2015 12:17 am : link
from time to time -- after all, they ranked in the top-5 in points in the paint. But they might have an even tougher time adjusting to Cleveland's "foul the shit out of you with relative impunity" philosophy than they did against Memphis' style.
I'm also starting to fear  
santacruzom : 6/10/2015 12:18 am : link
that Harrison Barnes has suddenly become, "The Harrison Barnes I Used to Think He Was." God help us if that's the case.
RE: the Warriors actually can have a decent inside game  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:19 am : link
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from time to time -- after all, they ranked in the top-5 in points in the paint. But they might have an even tougher time adjusting to Cleveland's "foul the shit out of you with relative impunity" philosophy than they did against Memphis' style.


Blaming the officials aint going to work against Cleveland. Mozgov and Thompson as a tandem defensively are the best they have seen this year, and that includes Memphis. Throw in Lebron guarding basically no one (and overlooked factor in this series) and him playing weakside has shut down the Warriors inside game.
I'm optimistic if I'm a Warriors fan  
chris r : 6/10/2015 12:20 am : link
Steph found his confidence after 7 ugly quarters and Kerr found a guy who might matchup well with Thompson in Lee.

RE: I'm optimistic if I'm a Warriors fan  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:21 am : link
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Steph found his confidence after 7 ugly quarters and Kerr found a guy who might matchup well with Thompson in Lee.


If Lee plays major, major minutes..... It will be a layup drill for Cleveland. Give him credit for giving them something on offense, but he still stinks on defense.

RE: RE: this series is so far from over  
HomerJones45 : 6/10/2015 12:21 am : link
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Dellavedova didn't outplay Steph. He just completely outplayed expectations and came up with some hustle plays which is big considering his role on the team. He is in no way a focal point of that Cavs offense whereas Steph is.




I would disagree 1000x. Curry was the reason they got down 20 late in the third. Delly's defense on him until the game got helter skelter was lock down. Curry didnt even get to the free throw once. And Curry's defense is putrid to say the least. Yeah Curry made some 3 late, but he had some BRUTAL turnovers down the strethc and also was picked on defensively.

Dellevdova was the better player tonight.
Dellevedova is a limited player who clutched, grabbed, slammed into, dove into knees and banged and crashed his way around the floor all night. He fucking ran with the ball on that crazy bank shot he threw in. It's a wonder he didn't hurt someone.

That's the problem with the NBA; you tune in to watch Curry and James play basketball and the guy who becomes news is the one playing Australian Rules football. Fugly.
RE: RE: I'm optimistic if I'm a Warriors fan  
chris r : 6/10/2015 12:22 am : link
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Steph found his confidence after 7 ugly quarters and Kerr found a guy who might matchup well with Thompson in Lee.




If Lee plays major, major minutes..... It will be a layup drill for Cleveland. Give him credit for giving them something on offense, but he still stinks on defense.


So do all the Warriors interior players outside Green. At least he can do work on the boards and get some easy points inside.
Lee  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 12:23 am : link
is going to be a nice spark here and there but I don't think it will work if they go to it a lot. I think he caught Cleveland by surprise but they will expose him if he plays too much. Need to really pick your spots with him
I used the word  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:24 am : link
"green" to describe GS this series. Its really showing.

- missing fast break dunks
- throwing no look behind passes late in the 4th down in the game.
- coach not recognizing shooters at end of quarters.
- committing dumb and uncessary fouls...

they look like a team that is wide eyed. Green has acted like a fool. Bogut has been cheapshotting players all series. Believe it or not, the one player who has played well, IMO, has been Iggy.
Golden State  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 12:25 am : link
still favored in Vegas to win this series.

-120
RE: RE: the Warriors actually can have a decent inside game  
santacruzom : 6/10/2015 12:26 am : link
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from time to time -- after all, they ranked in the top-5 in points in the paint. But they might have an even tougher time adjusting to Cleveland's "foul the shit out of you with relative impunity" philosophy than they did against Memphis' style.



Blaming the officials aint going to work against Cleveland. Mozgov and Thompson as a tandem defensively are the best they have seen this year, and that includes Memphis.


It's not blaming the officials -- it's crediting Cleveland for exploiting them.
RE: Golden State  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:27 am : link
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still favored in Vegas to win this series.

-120


Wasnt it -220 to start? I may rebet Cleveland again.
RE: RE: Golden State  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 12:31 am : link
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still favored in Vegas to win this series.

-120



Wasnt it -220 to start? I may rebet Cleveland again.


Why would you do that?
Of course  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/10/2015 12:37 am : link
Steph has to play better overall. But even when he's playing poorly, he's still dragging Cleveland's perimeter defense out far which through the flow of the offense creates a lot of easy looks for guys like Draymond and Barnes-- but they have to make their shots.

It's like blaming LeBron for a lack of assists in game 1 when his teammates couldn't hit their great looks.

Green/Bogut/Barnes were the primary liabilities on the team. They brought nothing to the table on either end of the floor. And with Klay playing subpar, it's asking Steph to carry the Warriors the way LeBron is carrying the Cavaliers and that's just not going to happen. Steph is not, nor will he ever be on LeBron's level. And I say this as a huge Steph fan (favorite player in the league, favorite college player ever).
RE: RE: RE: Golden State  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 12:38 am : link
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still favored in Vegas to win this series.

-120



Wasnt it -220 to start? I may rebet Cleveland again.



Why would you do that?


I would assume Cleveland is +110? I have always thought they would win the series. I'll take any ring + now especially up 2-1.
Seems  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 12:39 am : link
like poor value to take them now, should have just put more on them originally.

They are even money
I didn't quite give LeBron's 5 consecutive Finals  
santacruzom : 6/10/2015 12:52 am : link
experience as much credit as I should have -- I knew it would be an advantage, but I didn't know it would be as formidable as it has been. I figured, "Fine, he's awesome and all, but even he can only do so much with a depleted roster and no depth."

And even I didn't give enough credit to Tristan Thompson, which is saying something -- I thought people underrated him all year. That fucking guy. How many fouls have the Warriors racked up just trying to keep him from rebounding the ball?
Mozgov was the unsung hero  
giantsfan44ab : 6/10/2015 9:29 am : link
I've never seen a stretch where a center did not let ANYTHING go in at the rim. He went straight up on a couple of Draymond green drives and flat out stopped him.
RE: Mozgov was the unsung hero  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 9:34 am : link
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I've never seen a stretch where a center did not let ANYTHING go in at the rim. He went straight up on a couple of Draymond green drives and flat out stopped him.


He has played really well. GS isnt getting anything easy outside a few putbacks.

If someone told me that Lebron would be 40% from the floor in this series, and be up 2-1 and within whiskers of being up 3-0, I would have called you crazy. I think people are starting to realize how good Cleveland's defense is and how its carrying them to a possible title.
kind of amusing seeing Mozgov being so valuable to Cleveland  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2015 9:42 am : link
And thinking back to Joe slagging him at the time of the Melo trade, how we'd likely never hear of him again.
RE: RE: Golden State  
MetsAreBack : 6/10/2015 9:43 am : link
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still favored in Vegas to win this series.

-120



Wasnt it -220 to start? I may rebet Cleveland again.


I think it was -160. I tried to put money on Golden State but there was a website issue. Then it gapped to -220 after Irving went down.

I still think GS wins this series. Clock will strike midnight on this PG at some point and the GS shooters will wake up. They only need to win 1 in Cleveland.
blatt  
hitdog42 : 6/10/2015 9:58 am : link
not mentioned once ... he is sharting on kerr this series.

and I stick to my Iverson Philly comp for this cavs team... inefficient 40 point games but imposing his will on the game.
that is what disgusted me with LeBron vs. dallas... and in some of the Spurs series games.... impose your will... be "in efficient" for the stat junkies but successful on the eye test... which wins games.
and the comp...  
hitdog42 : 6/10/2015 10:00 am : link
is different in that its LeBron and not Iverson... which is a mega advantage for the cavs--- but thesis holds.
this is Lebrons best finals because he is imposing his will on the game --- for better and for worse FG% wise... but for the better team wise.
Before this year  
giantsfan44ab : 6/10/2015 10:00 am : link
I never considered Curry a true PG, despite the gaudy assist totals, much like Westbrook. He puts up assists but doesn't necessarily orchestrate an offense. Now he proved me wrong this year, but I'm getting the vibe that Steph Curry the "PG" hasn't showed up yet in the first 3 games.
RE: Before this year  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12321423 giantsfan44ab said:
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I never considered Curry a true PG, despite the gaudy assist totals, much like Westbrook. He puts up assists but doesn't necessarily orchestrate an offense. Now he proved me wrong this year, but I'm getting the vibe that Steph Curry the "PG" hasn't showed up yet in the first 3 games.


I have been rough on Curry, but to his defense.... he has no one inside who can score on Moz or TT.
RE: RE: Before this year  
giantsfan44ab : 6/10/2015 10:42 am : link
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I never considered Curry a true PG, despite the gaudy assist totals, much like Westbrook. He puts up assists but doesn't necessarily orchestrate an offense. Now he proved me wrong this year, but I'm getting the vibe that Steph Curry the "PG" hasn't showed up yet in the first 3 games.



I have been rough on Curry, but to his defense.... he has no one inside who can score on Moz or TT.


Was watching Zach Lowe talk after the game, and he made a great point on how when they sat Curry and put Lee in, not only was lee a good scoring presence around the rim, he was finding the right guys to kick it out to, which should've been Curry's job.
RE: RE: RE: Before this year  
dep026 : 6/10/2015 10:57 am : link
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I never considered Curry a true PG, despite the gaudy assist totals, much like Westbrook. He puts up assists but doesn't necessarily orchestrate an offense. Now he proved me wrong this year, but I'm getting the vibe that Steph Curry the "PG" hasn't showed up yet in the first 3 games.



I have been rough on Curry, but to his defense.... he has no one inside who can score on Moz or TT.



Was watching Zach Lowe talk after the game, and he made a great point on how when they sat Curry and put Lee in, not only was lee a good scoring presence around the rim, he was finding the right guys to kick it out to, which should've been Curry's job.


I believed you called the Lee factor before the series. HE definitely helped them last night.
If Lee matches up on Thompson  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/10/2015 11:03 am : link
then his defense isn't as much of a liability because Thompson's offense is not developed enough to take advantage of it.

I can see Lee being used more to try and generate some offense, but if Draymond/Barnes don't shoot 2-for-18, it's a non-issue.

I'd like to see Cleveland pull this off, but I'm still putting my money on Golden State.
Game 4, this is what it's all about  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 8:24 pm : link
LeBron has done a great job of controlling the pace and slowing things down. The Warriors had the fastest pace in the league during the regular season and that's when they play their best. Curry and Klay need to hit some shots early in the game and early in the shot clock and really try to push the pace.

Steph Curry was the MVP of the league and this is by far the biggest game of his career. He needs to ball out, because if he does then his team is just too strong for even an epic LeBron performance to overcome imo.

Delly has been the man, but I think JR is the Cav that really needs to step tonight. He needs to hit those wild JR shots and approach 20 pts as LeBron's secondary scorer tonight if they want to win imo.

Both teams' frontcourt rotations should be interesting to watch. The outcome tonight could come down to a chess match between Blatt and Kerr.
just imagine  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 8:28 pm : link
If Harrison Barnes just shot 40% last game -- hell, even just 25% -- the Warriors would probably be up.
people have called me crazy all playoffs....  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 8:36 pm : link
But something tells me the cavs win by double figures yonight. 101-87.
I still find it amazing  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 8:42 pm : link
That blatt has received no credit for what he has done this playoffs
LeBron Head Coaches  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 8:52 pm : link
are perceived the same way as Peyton Offensive Coordinators or even Peyton Head Coaches in Caldwell's case (Caldwell is the NFL Mike Brown for sure). Those guys just have so much control and input on the team that it's tough to figure out how much of a coaching impact they personally have and how much the Head Coaches have.

Blatt's done a good job but I don't really know how much of an impact he's making. He's playing LeBron 47 MPG and playing the only he can play due to the injuries killing his bench. The two most notable Blatt stories from this post-season have been him calling a TO that he didn't have (idiotic) and having his call of LeBron inbounding the ball at the end of the Bulls game be overturned by LeBron who went on the hit the buzzer-beater.
this is a painful  
AgentZero : 6/11/2015 9:04 pm : link
National Anthem and i like Usher.
Bogut coming off the bench  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 9:10 pm : link
panic move? Genius move? Time will tell.
And first possession  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 9:11 pm : link
offensive rebound for a putback.
2 possessions  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 9:12 pm : link
2 offensive rebounds. Rut roh.
awful move  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:12 pm : link
I hate this decision by Kerr. Way to show confidence in your 67 win team. Awful
GS  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 9:14 pm : link
has ZERO answers offensively.
Tristan Thompson has been cleaning the offensive glass all series...  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 9:14 pm : link
.. because LeBron is sucking 2 additional players off their men every time he drives to the paint. One of them is usually guarding TT. The misses are easy opportunities to clean up.
Steph Curry  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:15 pm : link
needs to play like an MVP. That's their answer. Not happening right now, but he has it in him.
Wide open looks just bricked  
ADeP7 : 6/11/2015 9:15 pm : link
So many golden st players no show this finals
RE: Steph Curry  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 9:16 pm : link
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needs to play like an MVP. That's their answer. Not happening right now, but he has it in him.


One man has never beaten a Lebron team. Thats why teams like SA always killed him because they kill you from everywhere. GS cannot score inside or get to the line. Relying on shooters against Cleveland is a recipe for a disaster?

Can Curry and Klay do it? Yeah, but if they do it for 43% of the series, they lose.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 9:17 pm : link
Seems like a bunch of these GS players are just getting eaten by the moment.
Curry playing well  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:18 pm : link
wouldn't mean a one man show, he's the engine of that offense. When he has it rolling, the entire team will usually feed off his play. But you're right, this isn't a one-man thing. The entire Golden State squad looks scared right now.

Draymond Green, as much as I enjoy seeing him struggle, really needs to man up and hit some big shots tonight.
I don't understand how that's a foul.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 9:24 pm : link
He positioned himself and literally went straight up. Are you not allowed to contest a shot at all? Just move out of the way and let them score?
if kerr wants to get curry going  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 9:27 pm : link
he wont run screen and roll all day... given they are doubling or hedging VERY hard.
Cleveland is saying they want everyone else to knock down 3s to beat them (except Klay)
they are leaving the roller wide open, and the corner 3 from iggy or barnes wide open... baiting them to shoot... and its working.
let Curry isolate 1 on 1 and you will see Deladova either foul out or get torched unless steph is flat out missing. Have him run off screens and catch with an iso.
they continue to NOT do that... and curry has suffered because of it.
If Moz did not turn he would not have been called for the foul.
L-O-L  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 9:30 pm : link
at that call.
they're really letting  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:35 pm : link
GS be physical out there on LeBron.
there really  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 9:36 pm : link
letting GS play defense like they let cleveland play...
nice of them
Back down to Earth for Dellavedova.  
bceagle05 : 6/11/2015 9:37 pm : link
Hope Curry drops a 50-burger on him tonight.
The Warriors  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 9:38 pm : link
Obviously adopted the same "they ain't gonna call us for this" strategy... not a bad way go to.
only down 7  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:40 pm : link
despite a 5pt LeBron quarter and shaky reffing that hurt them. They're still in it.
I fee like  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 9:43 pm : link
If the calls are close to even, GS has a really good shot.

If they are actually getting called LESS than the Cavs, I'd bet heavily in their favor.
watching the Cavs without LeBron on the floor  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 9:48 pm : link
is just absurd. James Jones post-ups? Are you serious?
The +/- numbers with LeBron off the floor are probably hilarious.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 9:52 pm : link
Dellvadova looks like he's buying his own hype big time. Dude is playing like he thinks he's prime Deron. LeBron's gotta get back to point forward and run shit.
I want  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 9:53 pm : link
Tristan Thompson on the Warriors.
This is a must win for Cleveland  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 9:53 pm : link
and it's not looking good.
shut the fuck up Green  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 9:54 pm : link
You're shooting like 20% from three and every fucking shot you take is wide open because of Curry and Thompson.
How the fuck  
B in ALB : 6/11/2015 9:55 pm : link
Is Joey Crawford officiating a finals game?

The nba is a crooked, second rate, garbage bag organization.
Draymond Green is probably costing himself a fortune  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/11/2015 9:55 pm : link
With his play this series.
another blatant push off  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 9:57 pm : link
no call.... again...
James is such a fucking bitch  
B in ALB : 6/11/2015 10:02 pm : link
.

You can see the outline of the camera lens on his head.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 10:05 pm : link
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turning this one off  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 10:06 pm : link
will check back in later, hopefully the game is close.
RE: Draymond Green is probably costing himself a fortune  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:06 pm : link
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With his play this series.


I doubt it... any team that wants him will know the Warriors will match a low offer. Their whole team is learning during the pkayoffs and finals. The Warriors won't hold a small sample size slump against him.
RE: turning this one off  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 10:07 pm : link
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will check back in later, hopefully the game is close.


after game 1 you swore off the series-
RE: turning this one off  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 10:07 pm : link
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will check back in later, hopefully the game is close.


It's the NBA playoffs... it will be.
Is it really necessary  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:11 pm : link
To have all those cameras that close to the baseline?
Who has the lower basketball IQ?  
illmatic : 6/11/2015 10:15 pm : link
Bogut or JR Smith?
No one has a lower hoops IQ than Swish.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 10:22 pm : link
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Bogut actually has a pretty high BB IQ  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:23 pm : link
But these finals haven't been his best four games.
RE: No one has a lower hoops IQ than Swish.  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:23 pm : link
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Bingo.
I dont think Bogut  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:24 pm : link
should play this series. The move so far has worked. If they need to bring a big in, bring in Ezeli. Bogut picking up all those stupid fouls just gives Cleveland more free throws.
on the other hand  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:27 pm : link
Just because Bogut picked up some dumb fouls within the past hour doesn't automatically mean he'd pick up dumb fouls in the future.
RE: on the other hand  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12324457 santacruzom said:
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Just because Bogut picked up some dumb fouls within the past hour doesn't automatically mean he'd pick up dumb fouls in the future.


He's grabbing and holding all series. It wouldnt shock me if he has a hidden injury. But he has had countless loose ball fouls on Moz and TT when they go for offensive rebounds.
RE: RE: on the other hand  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:29 pm : link
In comment 12324458 dep026 said:
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In comment 12324457 santacruzom said:


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Just because Bogut picked up some dumb fouls within the past hour doesn't automatically mean he'd pick up dumb fouls in the future.



He's grabbing and holding all series. It wouldnt shock me if he has a hidden injury. But he has had countless loose ball fouls on Moz and TT when they go for offensive rebounds.


Because he is not this bad of a player.
Bogut looks hurt  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:32 pm : link
Every time he moves. He probably winces when he blinks. So it's possible he is hiding an injury.
that is a nasty cut  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 10:35 pm : link
on his head.
Anyone else  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:37 pm : link
find coaches trying to motivate these players funny? They dont seem to try way too hard.
Green  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:38 pm : link
cannot miss those layups.
RE: Anyone else  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 10:40 pm : link
In comment 12324468 dep026 said:
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find coaches trying to motivate these players funny? They dont seem to try way too hard.


Yes. It was such a generic, dumb speech. And the buffet table behind him made it even funnier.
RE: RE: Anyone else  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12324471 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12324468 dep026 said:


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find coaches trying to motivate these players funny? They dont seem to try way too hard.



Yes. It was such a generic, dumb speech. And the buffet table behind him made it even funnier.


I thought it looked quite tasty.
Mozgov is turning into a mini Lebron/Wade  
illmatic : 6/11/2015 10:43 pm : link
with the crying for a foul after every shot, whether it's made or missed. No wonder why Joey told him to shut up.
No disrespect intended to him  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 10:46 pm : link
But us there any player in the league who looks less like a basketball player than Dellavedova? He looks like he should be at the end of a bar with two empty pitchers rambling about "no YOU listen, this is how it is!"
This is the game  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:49 pm : link
where the role players are carrying Lebron. If they can steal this game, they should get all the credit. Moz with 17, Delly with 10, TT with 12/8.
Another  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:52 pm : link
subpar game from Curry.

And Barnes needs to sit.
Curry  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:53 pm : link
is absolutely KILLING GS again. What a fucking no show again.
That grown man move by Lebron  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 10:54 pm : link
was literally 5 steps.
I have a feeling LeBron is going to go off in the 4th  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 10:54 pm : link
.
Harrison Barnes bricking wide open jumpers is brutal  
ADeP7 : 6/11/2015 10:56 pm : link
And curry really needs to start making some plays
RE: I have a feeling LeBron is going to go off in the 4th  
Eric on Li : 6/11/2015 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12324483 arcarsenal said:
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Yeah it looks that way, rooting for Lebron is a lot of fun.
Blatt is completely out coaching Kerr  
Essex : 6/11/2015 10:56 pm : link
So many people praised Kerr and ridiculed Blatt. Blatt's defense has totally stymied the Warriors and they have not had any plan B besides Lee all series. Disgraceful coaching by Kerr. He has had a week to figure this out against a depleted team.
Joey Crawford  
B in ALB : 6/11/2015 11:02 pm : link
is an abomination.
That's two out of bounds balls  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 11:03 pm : link
Where the Cavs were mistakenly awarded possession.

Bodes badly.
RE: Blatt is completely out coaching Kerr  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12324488 Essex said:
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So many people praised Kerr and ridiculed Blatt. Blatt's defense has totally stymied the Warriors and they have not had any plan B besides Lee all series. Disgraceful coaching by Kerr. He has had a week to figure this out against a depleted team.


Have you seen how many open looks the Warriors are getting that just aren't going in as usual?
the warriors  
hitdog42 : 6/11/2015 11:06 pm : link
are taking every shot the cavs want them too...
i dont care if they are open looks... they are what cleveland wants... that is not a good thing...
and the high screen and roll is what is starting it all... run something different for christs sake
Curry is having  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:07 pm : link
ZERO impact in this game.
I can't remember the last time  
illmatic : 6/11/2015 11:08 pm : link
I saw a team get so thoroughly dominated on the glass. Seems like Cleveland is getting multiple offensive rebounds on every single possession.
Harrison Barnes  
B in ALB : 6/11/2015 11:08 pm : link
is a fucking liability. He's just awful.
RE: I can't remember the last time  
santacruzom : 6/11/2015 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12324503 illmatic said:
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I saw a team get so thoroughly dominated on the glass. Seems like Cleveland is getting multiple offensive rebounds on every single possession.


That's the biggest factor in my opinion. THopson is just a beast... utterly relentless.
Watching Shumpert and Smith  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:17 pm : link
I just wanna know if AGF still thinks Phil lost that trade...
RE: Watching Shumpert and Smith  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:18 pm : link
In comment 12324509 EricNY33 said:
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I just wanna know if AGF still thinks Phil lost that trade...


They have sucked tonight, minus Shumps defense..... but they have stepped up all playoffs for the Cavs. They are being defended like they should be. When given open looks, they have for the most part.... made them.
RE: RE: Watching Shumpert and Smith  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:20 pm : link
In comment 12324510 dep026 said:
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I just wanna know if AGF still thinks Phil lost that trade...



They have sucked tonight, minus Shumps defense..... but they have stepped up all playoffs for the Cavs. They are being defended like they should be. When given open looks, they have for the most part.... made them.


They're two of the dumbest players on the court at all times.
Joey Crawford  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:20 pm : link
switches what team he roots for every quarter.
dep  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:23 pm : link
You really stick your foot in your mouth so much lol
where is chris r  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:23 pm : link
to bitch about the Knicks handing the Cavs a title?
and this is why  
nygiants16 : 6/11/2015 11:23 pm : link
Knicks traded jr and shumpert for nothing
These guys still have the Knicks stink all over em.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2015 11:24 pm : link
Brutal
I am  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:25 pm : link
still pissed the Knicks threw Mozgov into the Melo deal when we didn't have to.
I forgot just how brutal it is  
bceagle05 : 6/11/2015 11:25 pm : link
to get a heavy dose of Smith and Shumpert. Mozgov though - really wish we didn't toss him in the Melo trade. Thanks Dolan.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:25 pm : link
In comment 12324513 EricNY33 said:
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You really stick your foot in your mouth so much lol


So he makes 2 shots, and now he is havign a great game? He wasnt a factor in the first 3 quarters. I have no problem standing by that notion. He was 4-11 from the floor with 3-4 turnovers. Thats not good at all.

Now he is playing well. Doesnt change what he did the first 3 quarters.
RE: I am  
bceagle05 : 6/11/2015 11:25 pm : link
In comment 12324519 EricNY33 said:
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still pissed the Knicks threw Mozgov into the Melo deal when we didn't have to.


Beat me to it!
Cavs  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:26 pm : link
just do not have a chance to win if LeBron doesn't go for 40. Damn, really wanted to see Cleveland have a chance to win the title in game 6. I guess they could win a game 5 but LeBron has just go nuts to even have a shot to win, never mind actually win

RE: RE: dep  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:27 pm : link
In comment 12324522 dep026 said:
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In comment 12324513 EricNY33 said:


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You really stick your foot in your mouth so much lol



So he makes 2 shots, and now he is havign a great game? He wasnt a factor in the first 3 quarters. I have no problem standing by that notion. He was 4-11 from the floor with 3-4 turnovers. Thats not good at all.

Now he is playing well. Doesnt change what he did the first 3 quarters.


But he's having an impact. You said he wasn't. I didn't say he was playing great. I said he's having an impact now lol
Knicks would have traded  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:27 pm : link
him for something else later on anyways. Happened so long ago and Mozgov was traded again after that. It sucks but what can ya do.

I'd wave the white flag soon if I'm cleveland and rest LeBron
Now you have to wonder  
bceagle05 : 6/11/2015 11:28 pm : link
how Cleveland fans will get their hearts broken this time around. They don't just lose - they get their souls and spirits broken in the process. Perhaps they'll blow a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter of game seven.
RE: Knicks would have traded  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:28 pm : link
In comment 12324527 MookGiants said:
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him for something else later on anyways. Happened so long ago and Mozgov was traded again after that. It sucks but what can ya do.

I'd wave the white flag soon if I'm cleveland and rest LeBron


Maybe you're right. It just sucks.
I'd have a little more sympathy  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:30 pm : link
for Cleveland fans if they didnt get the number 1 pick every year in which they suck.
Iggy has been  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:31 pm : link
GS's MVP this series.
To remember  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:33 pm : link
any Cleveland sports teams winning something, you'd have to be within a few years of going to the Supermarket on tuesdays. I'll always have sympathy for those poor bastards with how poor their teams have been for 5 decades. And they had one leave in the middle of the night. Getting the #1 pick has not won them anything yet
RE: To remember  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:36 pm : link
In comment 12324536 MookGiants said:
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any Cleveland sports teams winning something, you'd have to be within a few years of going to the Supermarket on tuesdays. I'll always have sympathy for those poor bastards with how poor their teams have been for 5 decades. And they had one leave in the middle of the night. Getting the #1 pick has not won them anything yet


I go to the supermarket a lot on Tuesdays. Less crowds.
Nice little cheap shot from Lebron there.  
bceagle05 : 6/11/2015 11:36 pm : link
.
True  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:37 pm : link
Cleveland does deserve some sports happiness. I have some friends who live there. If the Cavs won I'd be happy for them.
RE: Watching Shumpert and Smith  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/11/2015 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12324509 EricNY33 said:
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I just wanna know if AGF still thinks Phil lost that trade...


Just got out of work so I didn't see the game, but there's still zero doubt that the Knicks lost that trade. Cleveland literally gave up nothing to get them. We lost in the sense that we gave up 2 assets for nothing. As far as tanking though, the move had to be done. I've maintained both those stances from the get go.

Cleveland got a guy that is averaging 12 ppg in the playoffs. I think they're perfectly fine with that and would do that trade again in a heartbeat.
RE: RE: Watching Shumpert and Smith  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:38 pm : link
In comment 12324542 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12324509 EricNY33 said:


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I just wanna know if AGF still thinks Phil lost that trade...



Just got out of work so I didn't see the game, but there's still zero doubt that the Knicks lost that trade. Cleveland literally gave up nothing to get them. We lost in the sense that we gave up 2 assets for nothing. As far as tanking though, the move had to be done. I've maintained both those stances from the get go.

Cleveland got a guy that is averaging 12 ppg in the playoffs. I think they're perfectly fine with that and would do that trade again in a heartbeat.


I disagree and always will. They weren't going to get anything for them. I am pretty sure they didn't just take the first deal that came to them.
See a team like LAC  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:40 pm : link
should have done something for Shumpert. They badly needed a wing defender. Even Chicago could have used him. We all know his offense blows, and that the shots he made until these finals were more flukish than anything.

But he is an excellent defender. And his ability to defend curry and klay has let Lebron save whatever energy he can on defense.
RE:  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/11/2015 11:41 pm : link
In comment 12324543 EricNY33 said:
[quote]I disagree and always will. /quote]

That's what makes sports so entertaining. Sometimes theres no clear right or wrong. I can't ever foresee myself as that trade being a win for us. We got rid of 2 guys who have legitimate value for nothing in return. Easiest move to ever make. I could make that move. And I've forgotten to shave half my face before.
AGF  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:44 pm : link
how exactly did they have legitimate value when what we got is clearly the best we could get? After shopping both of them since the summer. They could not give away Smith for free, they needed to use Shumpert to rid themselves of him.

You keep talking about legitimate value, but literally not one team in the NBA was willing to give up anything of value to get both of them.
2-2 series  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/11/2015 11:46 pm : link
now it's a Best of 3.

Rough game from LeBron. As historic as his overall floor game has been in this series, his shooting has just been dreadful not only in this game but the entire playoffs. You have to figure that one of these games LeBron is going to get hot and have a monster game. He's due a good shooting night.

JR has been trash, he needs to grow a pair of balls and show up.
RE: AGF  
EricNY33 : 6/11/2015 11:49 pm : link
In comment 12324548 MookGiants said:
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how exactly did they have legitimate value when what we got is clearly the best we could get? After shopping both of them since the summer. They could not give away Smith for free, they needed to use Shumpert to rid themselves of him.

You keep talking about legitimate value, but literally not one team in the NBA was willing to give up anything of value to get both of them.


This is my contention. On the surface you'd think they'd have value but clearly they didn't. I am sure the fact that everyone and their mother knew the Knicks were trying to move them made whatever value they had a moot point.
How do we know what offers they received in the summer  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/11/2015 11:50 pm : link
While shopping him? For all we know we got a shit offer (that was better than nothing) and turned it down. The legitimate value is that he puts points on the board and is a solid defender. Yeah they received no offers by the time he got traded because it's hard to have any value when you're on a shit team. Especially with the type of player JR Smith is. His value is at his best when he has something to play for. He showcased that in his SMOY season.

It was reported that LeBron didn't even care about getting Shumpert and saw the deal and was just excited to add JR Smith to the team.
I was completely wrong about this game  
dep026 : 6/11/2015 11:50 pm : link
the main problem with Cleveland is energy. Lebron is gassed. Delly can barely walk. Others arent far behind.

I am also glad Jackson called on Lebron. I dont blame Lebron one iota for having a bad game, it happens. But he was bad tonight. And they go the game back to a 1 possession game and he couldnt bring them over the top.

He deserves the praise when they win, but he does deserve some heat for this game.
RE: How do we know what offers they received in the summer  
MookGiants : 6/11/2015 11:58 pm : link
In comment 12324552 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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While shopping him? For all we know we got a shit offer (that was better than nothing) and turned it down. The legitimate value is that he puts points on the board and is a solid defender. Yeah they received no offers by the time he got traded because it's hard to have any value when you're on a shit team. Especially with the type of player JR Smith is. His value is at his best when he has something to play for. He showcased that in his SMOY season.

It was reported that LeBron didn't even care about getting Shumpert and saw the deal and was just excited to add JR Smith to the team.


So players on bad teams have no value? Yeah, no.

RE: Curry  
santacruzom : 6/12/2015 12:10 am : link
In comment 12324481 dep026 said:
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is absolutely KILLING GS again. What a fucking no show again.


I'll take three more no shows like that gladly.
RE: RE: How do we know what offers they received in the summer  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/12/2015 12:19 am : link
In comment 12324556 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12324552 AnotherGiantsFan said:


Quote:


While shopping him? For all we know we got a shit offer (that was better than nothing) and turned it down. The legitimate value is that he puts points on the board and is a solid defender. Yeah they received no offers by the time he got traded because it's hard to have any value when you're on a shit team. Especially with the type of player JR Smith is. His value is at his best when he has something to play for. He showcased that in his SMOY season.

It was reported that LeBron didn't even care about getting Shumpert and saw the deal and was just excited to add JR Smith to the team.



So players on bad teams have no value? Yeah, no.


Does JR Smith have more value now than he did on the Knicks? What about Shumpert? Would Draymond Green be getting a max deal if he was playing for the Timberwolves this year?
RE: I was completely wrong about this game  
HomerJones45 : 6/12/2015 12:47 am : link
In comment 12324554 dep026 said:
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the main problem with Cleveland is energy. Lebron is gassed. Delly can barely walk. Others arent far behind.

I am also glad Jackson called on Lebron. I dont blame Lebron one iota for having a bad game, it happens. But he was bad tonight. And they go the game back to a 1 possession game and he couldnt bring them over the top.

He deserves the praise when they win, but he does deserve some heat for this game.
lebron did look exhausted. The two off days are definitely needed. Lebron and Mosgov are the two to watch. GS has no answer for Mosgov.

Delly blows. Limited player. Whether the officials or the league told him to cut rugby moves, he was a non-factor.
When you trade people at their lowest value  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2015 6:37 am : link
Then u usually get nothing back.

When role players are forced to be lead guys on the court- they don't play well- shumpert is an excellent roll player- but on a team counting on him to score he looks poor

It's also pathetic to jump on these 2 players right now- where were you guys in the Bulls and Hawks series? When they were... You know contributing heavily to an nba finals run-----

This attempt to justify Phil moves is comical- when he makes a good one we can all celebrate him- so far he hasn't just call a spade a spade-----

Yay we got rid of 2 guys- 1 with a "bad contract all of 1y and 6m"--- these guys were so bad they helped the cavs have the best 2nd half record and make the finals----- oh and we got this great contract of Jose Calderon too---- yay---

Good lord
RE: RE: Curry  
dep026 : 6/12/2015 8:03 am : link
In comment 12324559 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12324481 dep026 said:


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is absolutely KILLING GS again. What a fucking no show again.



I'll take three more no shows like that gladly.


Again, he was a no show for 3 quartets. If he plays like he has in 4th the last two games... you're fine. But that's a dangerous gsme to play to wait until the last quarter.
if kerr calls pnr every play up top  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2015 8:05 am : link
and the cavs double it every play... what else is curry supposed to do?

he gets going this series when he has some space and can be creative.

RE: When you trade people at their lowest value  
BigBlueShock : 6/12/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12324585 hitdog42 said:
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Then u usually get nothing back.

When role players are forced to be lead guys on the court- they don't play well- shumpert is an excellent roll player- but on a team counting on him to score he looks poor

It's also pathetic to jump on these 2 players right now- where were you guys in the Bulls and Hawks series? When they were... You know contributing heavily to an nba finals run-----

This attempt to justify Phil moves is comical- when he makes a good one we can all celebrate him- so far he hasn't just call a spade a spade-----

Yay we got rid of 2 guys- 1 with a "bad contract all of 1y and 6m"--- these guys were so bad they helped the cavs have the best 2nd half record and make the finals----- oh and we got this great contract of Jose Calderon too---- yay---

Good lord

You have been on this crusade to kill the Knicks for this trade a lot lately. But I don't remember you waxing poetic about these guys while they were on the Knicks. I'm guessing we'd be hard pressed to find a single positive thing that you said about them. You also keep harping on Knicks fans for defending Phil, while you have an incredibly anti Knick sentiment, so it's hard to look at you as an unbiased source here.

I'd love to be able to look back at your comments about JR and Shump while the Knicks were shopping them. I have a feeling your reviews weren't quite as glowing as they are now.
there is nothing poetic to wax  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2015 10:25 am : link
role players don't play well on bad teams... but when you get nothing back... then the trade is not good. I am a cuse guy and thus forced to follow the knicks closely because of Melo--- when they drafted shumpert and the entire knicks draft thread was crying... I was saying he will be a solid pick.
my friend works for the Cavs GM--- I told him they were stealing shumpert at the time, and Smith is a wild card. Smith has been just that... a wild card---

there is no crusade... I just find it comical that 1) knicks fans are now all rooting for LeBron and 2) selectively observe the performance of the 2 players they gave away and comment only when it fits their bias.

I am in the NBA playoffs thread... which gets polluted by knicks fans hoping to justify a trade... so I will comment on said trade.

i will stop commenting on it however  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2015 10:32 am : link
since it seems to annoy--- and its the NBA finals thread- so will stick to that.
Has there been and news on concussion protocol for  
UConn4523 : 6/12/2015 10:45 am : link
LeFlop? He acted like he got hit with a steel chair, hope he's ok.
RE: Has there been and news on concussion protocol for  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12324801 UConn4523 said:
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LeFlop? He acted like he got hit with a steel chair, hope he's ok.


or a review of the end of game shove to Livingston--- which everyone ignored and could have easily injured livingston
Eh, Lebron has a habit of acting like every hit that comes his way  
GiantFilthy : 6/12/2015 10:53 am : link
practically blinds him with pain, but I bet that shit hurt!
I often think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/12/2015 11:47 am : link
that people forget that games are not decided by Lebron vs. Steph so much as they are decided by the other 80% of the players on the court.

And this doesn't conflict with the idea of a star carrying a lesser team. The better the star is or plays, the lesser the burden on the other 80%. A great star can score a lot, but also create the easiest possible opportunities for the lesser talented role players so that their more limited skills can be put to use.

But if those role players don't knock down their open looks, then it doesn't matter how well the star plays.

For example, just look at Games 3 and 4.

Game 3: Draymond/Green shot 2-for-18 and Klay 6-for-16. If the Warriors hit their open shots, and many of them were wide open, then it doesn't matter how dominant LeBron was.

Game 4: Delly/Shump/JR/Jones shot 7-for-38 from the floor, and 3-for-23 from 3. LeBron was fine, given that he was exhausted. He wasn't spectacular, but he wasn't bad either. He was still drawing double teams when he attacked the rim that allowed Thompson and Mozgov to shine on the offensive glass and he was still kicking it out to his wide open shooters, but they just laid eggs.
RE: RE: RE: Curry  
santacruzom : 6/12/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12324598 dep026 said:
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Again, he was a no show for 3 quartets. If he plays like he has in 4th the last two games... you're fine. But that's a dangerous gsme to play to wait until the last quarter.


Fortunately he's playing a game in which the amount of quarters is 4.

Plus, I mean... sure, he wasn't hitting *every* shot, but 4-11 isn't exactly some insurmountably bad performance. You're just 3 makes from .500 at that point. And he hit some threes at opportune times to help maintain the lead against the inevitable run that always tends to happen, on the road.

So, like, he's not a problem.
great anthem from metalica  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 8:06 pm : link
hoping for a well played game--- and that it ends before 11...
Shumpert's  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 8:16 pm : link
offense is so bad
and his dreadful  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 8:22 pm : link
offense continues. Can't even make a layup.
RE: Shumpert's  
PhiPsi125 : 6/14/2015 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12327318 MookGiants said:
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offense is so bad


You are not kidding. It's really bad.
And there is the jr smith we all know  
PhiPsi125 : 6/14/2015 8:23 pm : link
.
what is JR smith  
WahooGiant : 6/14/2015 8:23 pm : link
doing? LOL. That's the guy we remember.
Should be a flagrant  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 8:24 pm : link
but at the same time im glad someone put that douche bag Green on his ass
Lebron is going to be the most dominant post player ever  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:34 pm : link
if he is allowed to take 5 steps every time in the post.
Shumpert  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 8:38 pm : link
is the worst finisher around the rim that I've ever seen, and he was awful in college finishing too. It's mind boggling, he routinely blows layups.
By rule  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:38 pm : link
that is a block. It where the defenders is when the offensive gathered himself. Green gathered himself and Jones slid a few steps. I hate the rule.

But since it was on Green, I am glad they called it.
JR with a big spark  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 8:40 pm : link
for the cavs that quarter--- his first 2 threes quieted the early GS run.
Disappointed  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:48 pm : link
in Klay;s defense. He has been picked on a lot this series.
nice of JR to show up  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 8:49 pm : link
hitting some big shots here.
when Lebron's hitting  
Jon in NYC : 6/14/2015 8:53 pm : link
those Im not sure how you stop him.
Holy  
Jon in NYC : 6/14/2015 8:55 pm : link
shit Steph. This series is the best.
great back and forth  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 8:55 pm : link
between LBJ and curry.
Can the NBA ban Kendrick Perkins  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:55 pm : link
every fucking shot he is at midcourt celebrating.

Hey look! Delly arm locking another NBA player. Dirtiest mother fucking player in the NBA, and they dont do anything to him.
deladova  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 8:56 pm : link
further confirming he is a total piece of shit by trying to lock the arm on his side on the way down... just as he "hustles" at guys legs in prior series..
If they dont T up Delly  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:57 pm : link
for that, no one should ever be T'd for a cheap shot. How many times will he do shit like this for the NBA not to do anything. Suspend his ass for next game.
No technical?  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 8:59 pm : link
Fucking comical.
the announcers  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 8:59 pm : link
just refuse to call out the piece of sh%t... its like they are ordered from the league to not talk about it... and go with this "rah rah Delly" campaign.
its just pathetic
Wow  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:05 pm : link
I guess grabbing an arm on a screen is legal too. On Shump's three, TT literally grabbed Iggy's arm and held it.

They arent even trying to hide it now.
that can't be a foul on JR Smith  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:07 pm : link
it should be a no call, but if you're going to call anything it has to be offensive.
Curry  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:07 pm : link
has been awesome.
RE: that can't be a foul on JR Smith  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12327388 MookGiants said:
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it should be a no call, but if you're going to call anything it has to be offensive.


Well they just called it on Draymond on Lebrons drive. Lebron gets away with a forearm EVERY TIME he goes to the basket.
RE: that can't be a foul on JR Smith  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12327388 MookGiants said:
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it should be a no call, but if you're going to call anything it has to be offensive.


please come to the thread and complain on every lebron interior shot where there is a push off is well.

not even Green  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
argued that foul, and he argues everything. He knew he didn't get there
Delly  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
with a nice kick there. No call.

These refs have been fucking atrocious tonight.
the refs and the annoucners  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:09 pm : link
are so pro cleveland i want to barf.
its a total absolute joke...
Regular season  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:12 pm : link
thats a flagrant.
that's not a flagrant  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:12 pm : link
but to me it should be something more than a common foul. You shouldn't be allowed to just grab someone without ever making a play on the ball and have it be a common foul.
RE: that's not a flagrant  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12327402 MookGiants said:
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but to me it should be something more than a common foul. You shouldn't be allowed to just grab someone without ever making a play on the ball and have it be a common foul.


just said the same thing--- entirely agree- its almost clear path
kick by Delly  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 9:13 pm : link
such a dirty little shit. I respect the fact that he's made big plays in big moments, but a very annoying player.
RE: kick by Delly  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12327404 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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such a dirty little shit. I respect the fact that he's made big plays in big moments, but a very annoying player.


He's not dirty... He's "gritty"
RE: kick by Delly  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12327404 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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such a dirty little shit. I respect the fact that he's made big plays in big moments, but a very annoying player.


he fouls and holds curry no less then 3 times every possession... when on the ball hes allowed to be pre hand check rule ron harper... off the ball hes allowed to just hold the entire time.
its amazing they let a scrub do that.

Iggy is the man.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:16 pm : link
and Blatt have to be aware of that and call timeout
Yes Lebron  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:17 pm : link
you cant hit a guy on the arm and face when going for a rebound.
think Cleveland is going to get blown out in 2h  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:18 pm : link
they played a good first half. Smith went off, LeBron had a good half. But they still are going to be trailing at halftime. They can't play much better, but they absolutely can play much worse
RE: Delly  
santacruzom : 6/14/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12327395 dep026 said:
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with a nice kick there. No call.

These refs have been fucking atrocious tonight.


The Warriors are still new in the elite team territory. Next year they'll be getting those calls.
the Warriors  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:24 pm : link
have gotten plenty of calls in this series and in these playoffs. Hell game 2 the refs were desperate to hand to them.
the OT in game 2 was pro warrior  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:25 pm : link
all of game 2 prior was not.
LeBron scored or assisted on 16/17 Cavs FGs  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 9:27 pm : link
in the 1st half. He's had a lot of great performances in these playoffs but I think his 1st half tonight is the best I've seen from him this year. 20/8/8 with the jumper finally looking good, and playing the role of de facto Center on defense.

He's gonna need to keep it up if the Cavs have any chance tonight.
the curry/lebron sequence  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:29 pm : link
was the best of the finals so far...
the series has been full of close games but not great play.
the first half was closer to strong play... which was nice.
Moz is going to have to play some roll in the 2nd half- they cant keep him on the bench all game.
agreed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 9:34 pm : link
the first half was some of the best basketball of the Finals.
wow  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:37 pm : link
refs blew that one bad.
There are very few professional fields where the caliber  
chris r : 6/14/2015 9:46 pm : link
Of performance is lower than NBA officiating.
why is lebron  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:50 pm : link
picking up his dribble at the 3 point line with Curry guarding him?
LeBron uses his off arm on nearly  
chris r : 6/14/2015 9:51 pm : link
Every offensive move but never gets called for it. It's embarrassing for the league.
kind of like  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 9:53 pm : link
Jordan did?
Cleveland def wishes  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 9:53 pm : link
They didn't extend varejou with the production they get from Thompson- he is an animal
RE: kind of like  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 9:54 pm : link
In comment 12327477 MookGiants said:
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Jordan did?


lol, you are joking, right?
They're remaking National Lampoon?  
Anakim : 6/14/2015 9:57 pm : link
Da fuck?
Thompson  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:03 pm : link
is a wonderful rebounder but man he has zero offensive skill.
Silver had clearly mandated this go  
chris r : 6/14/2015 10:03 pm : link
Seven. God these calls are horrendous.
yeah  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:06 pm : link
he has mandated it go seven with calls like that. You're a fucking moron.
Horrible call on the moz  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:06 pm : link
Brutal
My god curry is soft  
chris r : 6/14/2015 10:08 pm : link
he's not hitting miracle 28 footers, he's useless.
Barnes  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:13 pm : link
Is such an enigma
Barnes  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:14 pm : link
big issue is he has no handle.
Lebron  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:15 pm : link
scores on Klay every time. He cannot switch to him or else you double him.
Warriors give lebron way to much space  
chris r : 6/14/2015 10:16 pm : link
You got to get up in him, go after the ball, make him uncomfortable like Butler and Leonard dom
3 and d guy coming through  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:17 pm : link
For the cavs
nice d  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:21 pm : link
by iggy. best game of series so far.
Wow  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:23 pm : link
Lebron
Steph
These calls are fucking absurd  
chris r : 6/14/2015 10:23 pm : link
.
RE: These calls are fucking absurd  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12327526 chris r said:
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.


Your missing a good game
the whistle  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:24 pm : link
has been shoved up the ass of the officials whenever LeBron drives.
RE: the whistle  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:27 pm : link
In comment 12327528 MookGiants said:
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has been shoved up the ass of the officials whenever LeBron drives.


He has shot double digit free throws every game so far. And hes at 7 tonight. I'd say he has gotten a few calls.
has JR scored  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:30 pm : link
this half?
LeBron falls down  
chris r : 6/14/2015 10:31 pm : link
Must be a foul.
Man Iggy  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:31 pm : link
time after time.
Iggy the MVP  
illmatic : 6/14/2015 10:31 pm : link
stepping up big time.
If GS wins this series  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:32 pm : link
Iggy is the MVP if they give it to a Warrior.
Iggy  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:32 pm : link
What a fcking player
Didnt like theat possession  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:33 pm : link
from GS. Three quick 3s with all the momentum.
Shumpert  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:33 pm : link
passes up a layup so Thompson could go to the line.

Such a dumb basketball player
then again  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:33 pm : link
Shumpert can't make layups.
if LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:34 pm : link
doesn't get the MVP of these finals something is seriously wrong.
haha  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:35 pm : link
give it curry, he has been awesome this game. From start to finish.

Just ridiculous...
Curry with another  
SimpleMan : 6/14/2015 10:35 pm : link
big 4th quarter.
The m v p  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:35 pm : link
Wow
Hope that Jerry West  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:38 pm : link
gets some credit for changing the Warriors' culture should they win the title.

Curry is the quickest step back shooter i've seen in a long long time.
This game  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:39 pm : link
takes a lot of juice out of this series. Cavs have played a good game and they stand no real chance to win. No one on the planet believes they can win a game 7 out there, needed this to go to Cleveland up 3-2 cavs for them to have any real shot at winning it.

JR went off early but hasn't done anything in the 2nd half. They need him to put 4 quarters together to even have a shot to win game 6.

Games 2-3 were fools gold. Curry wasn't going to continue shooting like that and Delavadova was going to come crashing back down to earth.

Damn Iggy  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:41 pm : link
ugly Free throws.
just not  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:41 pm : link
enough scoring from the wine and gold. james has to be the mvp. i think love would have made a bigger difference than kyrie in this series. gs is getting every tip.
JR Smith  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:41 pm : link
standing around like a sack of shit. That's why the guy has zero value on the open market, because he's a loser
iggy is tired  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:42 pm : link
that's why he's missing
JR is lucky  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:42 pm : link
that LeBron likes him.
RE: just not  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:43 pm : link
In comment 12327570 DG said:
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enough scoring from the wine and gold. james has to be the mvp. i think love would have made a bigger difference than kyrie in this series. gs is getting every tip.


Cavs rebounding has been outstanding all series. And TT has been the Cavs 2nd best player. Plus Love sucks defensively.
Kyrie  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:43 pm : link
would have been more important. He can get his shot at any time and taken a huge load off of LeBron.

If Cleveland has a healthy roster this series is ending tonight with the Cavs winning. Hope they all come back next year and win it, I know the Knicks have no shot so i want to see that city win a title
RE: This game  
illmatic : 6/14/2015 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12327565 MookGiants said:
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takes a lot of juice out of this series. Cavs have played a good game and they stand no real chance to win. No one on the planet believes they can win a game 7 out there, needed this to go to Cleveland up 3-2 cavs for them to have any real shot at winning it.

JR went off early but hasn't done anything in the 2nd half. They need him to put 4 quarters together to even have a shot to win game 6.

Games 2-3 were fools gold. Curry wasn't going to continue shooting like that and Delavadova was going to come crashing back down to earth.


So they definitely have no chance in a game 7 when they have the best player on the planet? And they already won a game there? They can't find fools gold one more time? This game isn't exactly a blowout either.
Mook  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:45 pm : link
I don't think you comprehend how much worse their defense would be and how many open looks the Warriors would have had

It's an entirely different series with those guys yes but it's not clear Cleveland would win... That's just lazy saying that
And Steph says  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:46 pm : link
I'll take the m v p if we win thanks
they'll  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:47 pm : link
be a 10 point dog in game 7 and chances are it doesn't even get there. The Cavs are running out of gas already. They'd have a very, very small shot to win a game 7. LeBron has to score 40 and have a triple double just to keep them within striking distance.

Curry isn't a pimple on LeBron's ass. If LeBron doesn't win MVP of this series they need to stop giving out the award.
I'd take the Cavs getting 10 in a game 7  
illmatic : 6/14/2015 10:49 pm : link
they would have the momentum and Lebron would go bananas again. GS doesn't want to come back here. All it takes is for a few teammates to step up when people are already counting them out. You just sound very salty that the team you're rooting for is now down in the series.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 10:49 pm : link
In comment 12327583 hitdog42 said:
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I don't think you comprehend how much worse their defense would be and how many open looks the Warriors would have had

It's an entirely different series with those guys yes but it's not clear Cleveland would win... That's just lazy saying that


Dellavadova's defense is not that great. Curry missed a ton of looks he hits in his sleep, he did it in game 1 before Irving got hurt.

The Cavs offense would be a million times better with Kyrie on the floor. And it would not be that much worse defensively, Dellavadova is not some great defender. He plays his ass off but Curry's issue was more curry than it was delly. He's now hitting the shots he missed in games 1-3
I am a firm believer  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:51 pm : link
that the losing team should not have the MVP winner.
..  
madhatter9382 : 6/14/2015 10:51 pm : link
as long as lebron can barrel over people and shove off with his forearm without a foul being called, the games will be close, hopefully it doesn't come back to GS.

RE: RE: Mook  
HomerJones45 : 6/14/2015 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12327589 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12327583 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


I don't think you comprehend how much worse their defense would be and how many open looks the Warriors would have had

It's an entirely different series with those guys yes but it's not clear Cleveland would win... That's just lazy saying that



Dellavadova's defense is not that great. Curry missed a ton of looks he hits in his sleep, he did it in game 1 before Irving got hurt.

The Cavs offense would be a million times better with Kyrie on the floor. And it would not be that much worse defensively, Dellavadova is not some great defender. He plays his ass off but Curry's issue was more curry than it was delly. He's now hitting the shots he missed in games 1-3
Cavs lost by 20 at home and 15 in this game. Irving maybe makes it closer or maybe the Cavs think they could run and gum this team if Irving which I don't think they can.

Cavs best chance was to play physical defense and hope to keep the game close whether Irving was playing or not. Warriors have too many shooters.
Plus, Kyrie  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:53 pm : link
would have made Curry work on defense.
RE: I am a firm believer  
hitdog42 : 6/14/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12327592 dep026 said:
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that the losing team should not have the MVP winner.


Agreed- it's absurd to say if they losers 6 that a guy wins the m v p.

Lose 4 games.... Win 2.... Win m v p?
That would be odd

I guess if you are a newly converted cav fan and Lebron jersey owner then it makes sense
Lebron would have 2 more finals MVP  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:54 pm : link
if they gave it to the best player in the series. He was dthe best player in his first finals and last year as well.
Kyrie is one of the top penetrators  
DG : 6/14/2015 10:55 pm : link
in the NBA. That alone makes this a closer series. He would have opened up the offense.
RE: Kyrie is one of the top penetrators  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12327606 DG said:
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in the NBA. That alone makes this a closer series. He would have opened up the offense.


That means worse defense and less touches for Lebron.
RE: I am a firm believer  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12327592 dep026 said:
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that the losing team should not have the MVP winner.


Then rename the award the MVP of the winning team.

Otherwise, it's not debatable. LeBron is by far the most valuable player in this series
Kyrie can play d  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:01 pm : link
if he wants to. He'd make Curry work harder on d.
I wouldnt be surprised  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2015 11:02 pm : link
if the Cavs let Love walk and just resign Thompson...
RE: RE: Kyrie is one of the top penetrators  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12327610 dep026 said:
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In comment 12327606 DG said:


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in the NBA. That alone makes this a closer series. He would have opened up the offense.



That means worse defense and less touches for Lebron.


Less touches for LeBron would be a good thing, not a bad thing. He's shooting a ton more than he wants to, and isn't shooting a good percentage because they literally have no one else to worry about guarding. JR Smith for one half they were worried about having an open shot. LeBron can pass the ball to Thompson under the basket and he'll take his good old time getting the shot off. They literally have no one on the court at any point who can get their own shot.

They can't even take him off the court for more than a minute because their lineup is so bad when he's not out there.

Dellavadova is a scrub who hit a couple miracle shots and got credited for "Great" defense on Curry when the reality is Curry missed a ton of shots that he hits in his sleep. And he's now hitting them, and Delly is still on him.
just praying for a Cleveland win in game 6  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 11:06 pm : link
so we can get a Game 7.

Iggy was great tonight besides his embarrassing FT shooting.
Curry  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:08 pm : link
has been able to basically take a breather defensively games 2-5.

The idea that they wouldn't be significantly better with Irving on the floor is so ridiculous that it's giving me a headache. Delly is a scrub!!!!!!
and while i dont like the dirty stuff  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:09 pm : link
I do love how hard delavadova plays, he gets every loose ball and just throws his body around, but the guy has next to no skill.
RE: Kyrie can play d  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 11:11 pm : link
In comment 12327615 DG said:
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if he wants to. He'd make Curry work harder on d.


Kyrie blows defensively.
RE: Curry  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 11:12 pm : link
In comment 12327628 MookGiants said:
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has been able to basically take a breather defensively games 2-5.

The idea that they wouldn't be significantly better with Irving on the floor is so ridiculous that it's giving me a headache. Delly is a scrub!!!!!!


Well can't you say the same about lebron being that he he hasn't guarded guarded soul all series. He basically plays thr middle of the lane and backs off iggy or barnes.
RE: RE: I am a firm believer  
dep026 : 6/14/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12327614 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12327592 dep026 said:


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that the losing team should not have the MVP winner.



Then rename the award the MVP of the winning team.

Otherwise, it's not debatable. LeBron is by far the most valuable player in this series


Then he should have won it last year, right?
Iggy or Barnes  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:13 pm : link
still can hurt you, and have at some points this series. They both have offensive skill.

Delavadova has none.
RE: RE: RE: I am a firm believer  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12327637 dep026 said:
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In comment 12327614 MookGiants said:


Quote:


In comment 12327592 dep026 said:


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that the losing team should not have the MVP winner.



Then rename the award the MVP of the winning team.

Otherwise, it's not debatable. LeBron is by far the most valuable player in this series



Then he should have won it last year, right?


In the series last year? He was definitely not the most valuable with how he played. They weren't even competitive in any of the 4 losses.

He has made every game in this series competitive, outside of game 4. And even then it was a 1 basket game in early 4th. This team if you took him off of it would be Knicks bad.
Again, Delly wouldn't  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:17 pm : link
be getting more than more than 5 minutes a game on any other Finals team in recent memory. Please don't try to argue that Kyrie being in there wouldn't change things for the better for the Cavs. The Cavs have ZERO offensive talent other than LeBron right now. And yes he should be the MVP. Put Curry on Cleveland and someone like Kawhi Leonard on GS and the series is already over.
should add:  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:18 pm : link
Cavs add Curry, subtract LBJ. Warriors add someone like Leonard, Teague, etc..
he didn't even sniff  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:18 pm : link
a triple double in any of the games last year.

Comparing last year to this year is mind numbing. He wasn't the most valuable last year, he did not have a very good finals and they got taken to the woodshed. You're not giving the MVP of a series to a guy on a team that didn't even compete.

The Cavs  
Jon in NYC : 6/14/2015 11:19 pm : link
have the best player.

I think you can argue that the Warriors have the next 6 or 7, depending on how much you like JR.
sorry, i meant GS sweeps (imo)  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:20 pm : link
if Curry is on the Cavs and the Cavs don't have LeBron. I'm not comparing Leonard with LeBron.
Thompson  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:20 pm : link
is a wonderful rebounder but seriously does nothing else well. He's not a good defender. He's useless offensively, can't shoot a free throw. Takes forever to put the ball up on the rim. If he's not on the offensive glass he adds nothing else.
I kind of like  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:23 pm : link
Blatt..i do understand why he limited Mozgov.

I agree with Parcells-reporters are all Commies.. (:
I do hope  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:23 pm : link
we get to a game 7 just to see if LeBron could go nuts and put them on his back to a win. But in that environment 40 points and a triple double isn't going to be enough. He will need to put up 50 15 and 10 to win. That's asking a lot.

I thought hey were in trouble at halftime when they got a great half from LeBron and Smith had great half and they were still trailing.
...  
christian : 6/14/2015 11:24 pm : link
I have absolutely no love lost for Lebron, but man he's snake bit in Cleveland.

The Cavs have a couple of average 6-men as there 2nd and 3rd options in Dellavedova and Smith. That's awful, and downright unbelievable for a team that's actually won 2 games.

No one one the floor can create their own shots without James. No one is active around the basket. I can't remember seeing a team make fewer layups than this team.

This cast of characters is actually worse than the last Cleveland team he brought to the finals.

I watched Tristan  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:24 pm : link
at UT and he is very very limited offensively. that's not going to change. i hope the Cavs don't overvalue him based on this series. Love is much more important to the future of the Cavs.
Well take Larry Hughes  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:26 pm : link
and Z off the 2007 Cavs team and then compare the squads.
RE: I watched Tristan  
MookGiants : 6/14/2015 11:26 pm : link
In comment 12327654 DG said:
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at UT and he is very very limited offensively. that's not going to change. i hope the Cavs don't overvalue him based on this series. Love is much more important to the future of the Cavs.


They have to bring him back. He's going to be way overpaid but they'll be over the cap anyways I think so they almost have no choice. They need both of them back.
Man I'm tired  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:29 pm : link
of arguing with Bulls' fans..and i don't hate the Bulls. It'd be nice to see the Warriors have to work on d, guess that won't happen until next season.
Yes,  
DG : 6/14/2015 11:32 pm : link
they do need to re-sign Tristan. He's an energy guy and valuable, part of LeBron's group, and they will overpay. They can't afford to lose Love.

anyone who doesn't think  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2015 11:38 pm : link
Kyrie wouldn't have had a huge positive effect on this series is nuts. And Kevin Love has been consistently underrated all season long. Thompson is a great hustle player who is a beast on the offensive boards, but Love is just a lot better than him and would've added a completely different dimension to the Cavs offense.

With the way Mozgov owned Bogut, I feel like it's safe to say that a healthy Cavs team with Kyrie and Love would've probably won this series in no more than 6 games. But that's something we'll never know.
Its silly to play the what if game and say that if Irving or Love are  
AgentZero : 6/15/2015 2:42 am : link
in that this series would be over in 6 with Cavs winning. Them being in the game changes the dynamic in many ways starting with how Golden State plays their strategy. Tristen Thomas has been the most underrated player in this series and in my opinion the reason the games have been closer than they are take him out and replace with Love's defense and maybe Green, Iggy and Thompson put together better performances. We saw a Irving go off in game one only to watch Golden State shut him and the cavs down in overtime. He injured himself when that game was over.

These games would have been close and down to the wire regardless of who's healthy and who's not. Its next man up and its the finals they were always going to be close.

Also, Lebron is also only able to score when he bumps and pushes off. How that is never called is insane to me.
RE: Yes,  
illmatic : 6/15/2015 3:29 am : link
In comment 12327660 DG said:
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they do need to re-sign Tristan. He's an energy guy and valuable, part of LeBron's group, and they will overpay. They can't afford to lose Love.


Thompson is going to get a max offer from someone. Can the Cavs re-sign him and Love?
a couple comments  
hitdog42 : 6/15/2015 8:29 am : link
1) Lebron hit 1 fade away in the 2nd half out of the post that was a fundamental post move... more like a Jordan/kobe fadeaway... I think if he mastered that (it looked pretty easy for him)--- it would leave him unstoppable in the post. His shooting strength, is legendary in my view... meaning the ability to take normal form shots from anywhere on the court and do similarly on 1 leg.

2) Steph Curry's finals has been underrated.... people don't like to talk about it... but he has been the most double teamed player of the finals. Every possession... bodied and doubled... rarely left alone to play... he gets the hockey assist on almost every basket because he feeds the high post which is left open. His 3pt barrage last night was the best you will ever see in the finals.

3) the absence of interior presence in the NBA finals is embarrassing- any wonder why LBJ is able to back down with total confidence? well its a 6'7 guy waiting for him. the lack of any presence that intimidates or blocks shots down low is 1 reason why I struggle to give as much credit to the current NBA as many stat people like--- its that bad.

4) Blatt has 3 guys playing consistently well in the finals (Lebron at a MVP level, TT at a "grunt guy" level, and Moz)--- you cant play Moz 9 minutes. They are a defensive grind it out team without kyrie and Love... so embrace it--- its not like they are playing some stud over Moz... James Jones? I Mean come on.

5) I don't think the officiating has affected where we stand in the series... but I do think its been horrendous with more blatantly wrong calls then usual---
if not for LeBron  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/15/2015 9:24 am : link
this series lasts only four games that nobody watches. I think LeBron absolutely deserves the MVP. And browsing through the advanced player tracking data on NBA.com and seeing what LeBron is doing is absolutely staggering.

But if it does go to a Golden State player, then it should be Curry. I am a big fan of Iguodala, and he has played well this series. He has been the only player who has kept LeBron from driving at will, and he has made some key plays in the open court. He has also shot far more consistently than the other role players for either team. In my mind, he has been the second most valuable Warrior this series. But just because it's a great story that the former starter who took the bench role is now shining and exceeding expectations more in the finals than in the regular season, I don't think it necessarily means that he was more valuable than the top dog on the team.

Cleveland was always going to be limited offensively, and Golden State was always going to win this series by scoring on Cleveland's defense. And offensively, it has always been about Curry, even when it doesn't seem like it has been about Curry. He leads his team in points and assists. When he has the ball, take note of how far out Cleveland has to guard him. He draws out at least one Cav beyond the 3 point line, and because of his quickness and handles, he often draws out two Cavs.

Not only does this create all the space in the world, but his presence nearly guarantees a wide open player from 3 or slashing the lane on every single possession. Most of what Iggy/Barnes/Draymond have scored are the byproduct of the advantages created by Curry's handles and lethal shooting. Just think how often those guys are wide open in the corner just waiting for the second pass to them for the easiest 3 point look in the game.

Plus, his shooting/scoring have been better than what people are giving him credit for. Too much was placed on this narrative of Dellavedova shutting him down. In credit to Dellavedova, all of the clutching and gamesmanship he does is being allowed by the refs, and he does hustle and give max effort on every defensive possession. You need a guy like that. But he can't go a full game. And part of his defensive success was burning out by going too hard from the first whistle. But the game is four quarters long and if you're gassed 3 quarters through and can't make it till the end, then those points at the end still count against his defense. Plus, he lucked out by a miserable game 2 shooting from Curry.

And even with that miserable 2-for-15 shooting from 3, Curry is still sitting at 40.7% from 3 over the finals. Just let that sink in. That is incredible.

In other words, if you take out Curry's miserable Game 2, then over the other four games of the Finals, Curry is shooting 20-for-39 from 3 (51.2%).

And even more amazing, over the last 3 games (since the series was tied 1-1), Curry is shooting 18-for-33 (54.5%) from 3.

He leads
ignore  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/15/2015 9:24 am : link
that last part
If the series is pushed to 7 games  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2015 10:19 am : link
and regardless of who wins, I think Lebron deserves the MVP.

Otherwise I think it goes to Curry. It belonged to Iggy for GS until last night.
obviously they still have to win one more game  
santacruzom : 6/15/2015 12:13 pm : link
But at least now this series has returned to the outcome that was expected, has hopefully revealed games 2-3 as learning experiences and aberrations borne of off-nights, and helps to negate a bunch of the reactionary "_______ is soft, ________ is overrated, The Warriors never were a very good team" talk going on.

I mean, it's almost as if the Warriors are comprised of young players and inexperienced coaches figuring out how to become a Finals-caliber team and that a bumpy ride could have been expected. Who's their most playoff-experienced person? Leandro Barbosa. Oh and speaking of him, is Kerr now validated in giving him playing time after he put up 13 points in a vital stretch a vital game?
game can't get here fast enough  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 6:33 pm : link
praying for a Game 7.

But I'm expecting a 10+ pt Warriors win with LeBron playing poorly by his standards due to the short rest. Really hope he pulls something epic out of his ass, they're just too shallow and limited to compete with a great Warriors team.

Biggest Sporting even in Cleveland in a long long time. I hope that crowd brings it. One thing to watch out for is the crowd reaction if the Cavs are down in the 4th quarter. Those fans cannot get scared and depressed and kill the energy in that arena, they have to keep it going for 48 mins to give the Cavs a real homecourt advantage because they need every little advantage they can get. The Warriors are great, but young and inexperienced when it comes to closing out Championships.

Hopefully the Cavs grind their way to a Game 7.
I saw on ESPN  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/16/2015 7:13 pm : link
that there were a lot of tickets available on the secondary market-- perhaps Cleveland fans are seeing the writing on the wall.

some crazy Lebron-related stats I've seen

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Tom HaberstrohVerified account
‏@tomhaberstroh
In the Finals, LeBron James has 44 assists and 15 turnovers. All other Cavs have 37 assists and 42 turnovers.


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Dan McCarney ‏@danmccarneySAEN Jun 15
Per http://NBA.com , Cleveland's O in the 22 minutes LBJ hasn't played in Finals:

18.2 FG%, 00.0 3pt%, 54.6 pts/100 poss, -39.2 net.

(Cavs score 97.2 pts/100 poss wit LeBron on the court)

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ESPN Stats & InfoVerified account
‏@ESPNStatsInfo
LeBron James: averaging 31.9 points in 14 career elimination games, highest in NBA history (min. 5 such games) (via @EliasSports)



I don't expect the Cavs to win tonight-- I expect a double-digit win for the Warriors. But I'm hoping to see what, if anything, LeBron has left in the tank.

Here's to hoping Cleveland wins tonight  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/16/2015 7:29 pm : link
I want a Game 7 on Friday night. Nothing like a Game 7 on a night where you don't got work the next morning.

cleveland needs to play their best guys  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 8:00 pm : link
enough with james jones on the court---- have tristan guard barnes or iggy and have Moz guard Green. You go out with your best guys--- their advantage can be the glass and defending the piant and hope the warriors shoot poorly with the chance at a ring. Its a lot of pressure on GS now since everyone thinks its over.
I would also run some sets for other players on offense. Part of the reason these guys are shooting so poorly is because they stand around all shot clock and wait to maybe get a pass for a shot. Even when open its not easy if you dont pass/cut get in the flow.

I hope Steph has another good game, GS wins, and he walks away with the MVP as he shold. 25 5 and 5 and people act like GS doesnt have someone deserving of MVP. and an epic rebuttal to some sick lebron shots last game to take the series lead in the clutch.
Paul  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 8:03 pm : link
In comment 12330926 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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that there were a lot of tickets available on the secondary market-- perhaps Cleveland fans are seeing the writing on the wall.


I think what happened was everyone held on to their tickets for game 6, or priced them insanely on the open market and none of them sold. They were holding or pricing them like that incase they were up 3-2, which would have almost certainly meant a sellers market, maybe the craziest sellers market we've ever seen. When they lost the other night, tons of tickets probably went onto the secondary market to get whatever they can for a game that can't clinch.
Curry is absolutely the best GS MVP candidate  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 8:05 pm : link
right now. Iggy has been great but it would be a joke if Curry didn't win it, just disrespect quite frankly. You don't give the MVP to a guy who is losing his positional battle by miles like Iggy is. The MVP is either Curry or LeBron, Iggy might be 3rd and be within striking distance if he shuts LeBron down tonight and he throws up a near triple double type offensive game.
If they give it to anyone  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 8:06 pm : link
but LeBron even if they lose tonight they need to rename the award the "MVP of the winning team". Because if LeBron doesn't win it this series it's impossible for anyone on a losing team to ever win it.
Just to stir the pot  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:07 pm : link
Lebron 2015 finals:
36.6 Points
12.4 rebounds
8.8 assists
39.9 FG%
71% free throw percentage
45.6 minutes per game

Jordan 93 Finals:
41 PPG
8.5 rebounds
6.3 assists
56.4 FG%
70% from the line
45.6 minutes per game

Obviously two historic finals, but Jordan was much more efficient on the offensive end. And for all the bellyaching that Jordan got all the calls..... he went to the line 49 times in 6 games where Lebron has gone to the line 59 times in 5 games.

RE: Just to stir the pot  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12331000 dep026 said:
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Obviously two historic finals, but Jordan was much more efficient on the offensive end. And for all the bellyaching that Jordan got all the calls..... he went to the line 49 times in 6 games where Lebron has gone to the line 59 times in 5 games.


But on the other hand, if that Jordan played this year's Warriors, he'd have gone to the line 400 times by now.

I kid! Kind of.

But seriously about the fouls. One of the things the two Warriors losses in these finals have had in common that was not an issue in their three wins? An even bigger free throw disparity than the Warriors typically face, and that's saying something. I'm not feeling so great about the Warriors not repeating that in a game 6 on the road, particularly when it, shall we say, benefits the NBA if this series goes one more game.

Curry and Iguodala have both said publically that this will be the hardest game of their lives so far. They know what's at stake and they know what's ahead of them. Let's see what happens!
RE: If they give it to anyone  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 8:14 pm : link
In comment 12330998 MookGiants said:
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but LeBron even if they lose tonight they need to rename the award the "MVP of the winning team". Because if LeBron doesn't win it this series it's impossible for anyone on a losing team to ever win it.


sub 40% shooting on a team that would win 2 games and lose 4 games.... deserves the MVP.... makes total sense--- 25 5 and 5 and came up biggest in the biggest spot. AND is the guy being doubled all series... not lebron .... steph.

Has Lebron had a great serires? hell yes... hes doing what he should have done in 2011. But is it so great and efficient that losing in 6 games warrants MVP with inefficient shooting and a guy putting up 25 5 and 5?--- a guy who the oppponent double teams at 30 feet out opening up the ENTIRE floor for his teammates?
i dont think so. you can make an argument for Lebron for MVP but your speak as if your comment is fact... and frankly its not
RE: Just to stir the pot  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 8:17 pm : link
In comment 12331000 dep026 said:
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Lebron 2015 finals:
36.6 Points
12.4 rebounds
8.8 assists
39.9 FG%
71% free throw percentage
45.6 minutes per game

Jordan 93 Finals:
41 PPG
8.5 rebounds
6.3 assists
56.4 FG%
70% from the line
45.6 minutes per game

Obviously two historic finals, but Jordan was much more efficient on the offensive end. And for all the bellyaching that Jordan got all the calls..... he went to the line 49 times in 6 games where Lebron has gone to the line 59 times in 5 games.


Care to compare Pippen's stats with Delly's?
let's save the MJ stuff  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 8:19 pm : link
for after the series atleast lol.
What does Delly  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:21 pm : link
have to do with Lebrons stats? All I am going by is what the two players did. We all know that Lebron has played well enough that with some help, they win the title. Lebron's not the problem, obviously.

But all we hear is how Lebron is doing things we havent seen before, when in fact - Jordan's 93 finals were better. Sure Jordan had more help. But Lebron's shooting, lets face it, has been a huge problem. Jordan shot 17% better from the floor. If Jordan shot less than 40% like Lebron has, maybe Phoenix beats the Bulls? Remember the Bulls won all 4 games by single digits...
when you literally  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 8:21 pm : link
have nothing offensively that the other team has to even somewhat worry about besides LeBron, it's going to lead to inefficient games. And he hasn't gotten a call the entire series going to the basket. He should be shooting a lot more free throws than he has.
What does Delly have to do with  
Ash_3 : 6/16/2015 8:23 pm : link
LBJ? Are we serious?
RE: when you literally  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12331027 MookGiants said:
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have nothing offensively that the other team has to even somewhat worry about besides LeBron, it's going to lead to inefficient games. And he hasn't gotten a call the entire series going to the basket. He should be shooting a lot more free throws than he has.


Lebron has missed a TON of shots this series that he should have made. For the first 3 games, they didnt double him, and he still shot poorly.

And for every call they missed on Lebron driving, they probably have missed 2x the amount he has gotten away with leading with his forearm drving to the basket, and clearing out with his shoulder in the post.
RE: What does Delly have to do with  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:25 pm : link
In comment 12331028 Ash_3 said:
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LBJ? Are we serious?


Yes, we are talking about Lebron's stats. Not Delly. Delly doesnt miss the shots that Lebron takes the last time I checked.
you don't think  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 8:32 pm : link
LeBron would be getting easier shots if he had a legitimate secondary ball-handler? You don't see how that would impact his stats?

LeBron shooting has been a problem in this entire playoff run and ultimately his inconsistent shooting is the reason why he will never be known as the hands down GOAT like he could've been. But what makes him special is the all-around game. Not only is he the team's only offensive option, he's the best defender on the team and dominating the boards. There has never been a one-man wrecking crew like LeBron.
RE: you don't think  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12331037 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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LeBron would be getting easier shots if he had a legitimate secondary ball-handler? You don't see how that would impact his stats?

LeBron shooting has been a problem in this entire playoff run and ultimately his inconsistent shooting is the reason why he will never be known as the hands down GOAT like he could've been. But what makes him special is the all-around game. Not only is he the team's only offensive option, he's the best defender on the team and dominating the boards. There has never been a one-man wrecking crew like LeBron.


Couple things Ill disagree with:

1. He has gotten easy shots and a ton of shots around the basket that he has missed. Even mook commented on his left handed hook shot in the lane has been a problem. And lets not forget he wasnt doubled for the majority of this series either. And, I think Jordan had a lot of attention offensively. He was a pretty good player if I recall.

2. Lebrons defense this series hasnt been bad, but not of what we are accustomed too. Lets face it, if he had to defend like he has had to in years past, he would not be walking anymore. He is getting his break on defense to conserve whatever energy he can. How many times has he guarded Rose, durant, parker, etc in key games? He hasnt guarded Curry once. And I am not saying there isnt anything wrong with that. But he isnt playing all-world defense this series.
RE: you don't think  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12331037 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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LeBron would be getting easier shots if he had a legitimate secondary ball-handler? You don't see how that would impact his stats?

LeBron shooting has been a problem in this entire playoff run and ultimately his inconsistent shooting is the reason why he will never be known as the hands down GOAT like he could've been. But what makes him special is the all-around game. Not only is he the team's only offensive option, he's the best defender on the team and dominating the boards. There has never been a one-man wrecking crew like LeBron.


his individual defense has been invisible--- he guards the garbage guy and when they switch he has been a non factor.

his defensive rebounding has been awesome but lets not act like he has had any remote defensive impact. hes gotten caught lazy on no help as well. why? because he has to carry them entirely on offense.
I've never really seen anything like this...  
arcarsenal : 6/16/2015 8:46 pm : link
LeBron is literally the focal point on both ends on basically every single possession. It's about as close to 1 on 5 as you'll ever see in an NBA Final.

The entire offense has to run through him every time down the court. He has to initiate each possession. Every rebound he doesn't get, he has to be the guy who gets the ball on the outlet. Every defensive possession, he's got to guard a lethal shooter.

Obviously when a guy is the best in the world, you expect him to shoulder a very heavy load.. but what he's got on his plate in this series is basically other worldly.

If you flipped Curry and LeBron, the Cavaliers don't see a 5th game in this series. Zero chance.
one man can't do everything  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 8:47 pm : link
his good but not great D and a lot of LeBron's misses near the rim could just be due to the fatigue of an unprecedented workload for a Finals participant.

Forget Pippen. If LeBron had Horace Grant instead of Tristan Thompson, the Cavs probably win this series in 5 or 6. The supporting casts were night and day.

What Jordan did in '93 was insane. Maybe the best performance ever. But comparing their stats like it's some apples to apples comparison is just pointless. Jordan was asked to be the the "scorer/killer" and he did it at the highest level we've seen in the Finals that year. LeBron is asked to be the "everything".

Hopefully JR Smith shows up for all 48 tonight. He's the guy that really needs to step up and give LeBron help.
The LeBron/MJ comps will always be there..  
arcarsenal : 6/16/2015 8:49 pm : link
...because it's a GOAT debate.. but I think LeBron is more Magic than Michael.
RE: I've never really seen anything like this...  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:50 pm : link
In comment 12331052 arcarsenal said:
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LeBron is literally the focal point on both ends on basically every single possession. It's about as close to 1 on 5 as you'll ever see in an NBA Final.

The entire offense has to run through him every time down the court. He has to initiate each possession. Every rebound he doesn't get, he has to be the guy who gets the ball on the outlet. Every defensive possession, he's got to guard a lethal shooter.

Obviously when a guy is the best in the world, you expect him to shoulder a very heavy load.. but what he's got on his plate in this series is basically other worldly.

If you flipped Curry and LeBron, the Cavaliers don't see a 5th game in this series. Zero chance.


Arc, you are off with his defensive presence. He has guarded Curry/Klay maybe 1% of the series. He has guarded Iggy and Barnes the whole series and jsut sat in the lane daring them to shoot.
RE: one man can't do everything  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 8:53 pm : link
In comment 12331053 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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his good but not great D and a lot of LeBron's misses near the rim could just be due to the fatigue of an unprecedented workload for a Finals participant.

Forget Pippen. If LeBron had Horace Grant instead of Tristan Thompson, the Cavs probably win this series in 5 or 6. The supporting casts were night and day.

What Jordan did in '93 was insane. Maybe the best performance ever. But comparing their stats like it's some apples to apples comparison is just pointless. Jordan was asked to be the the "scorer/killer" and he did it at the highest level we've seen in the Finals that year. LeBron is asked to be the "everything".

Hopefully JR Smith shows up for all 48 tonight. He's the guy that really needs to step up and give LeBron help.


I cant sit here and say what Jordan did defensively in the 93 finals, cause honestly I dont remember. But I think it would be hard pressed to say Lebron was a better defender because he hasnt defended. Jordan had the likes of Majerle and KJ in the backcourt. So if I were too assume, he had to chase Majerle around, which was no small feat.
if LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:02 pm : link
didn't have to be the entire team on offense and play insane minutes, they would be putting him on Curry or Thompson at the end of games, like they have against other teams top players in the past and he's been very successful doing it. He's an excellent defender, but with how awful they are offensively right now they would be out of their minds to have him chasing Curry and Thompson around. And he still has to exert a lot more energy defensively than Curry does, who stands there with his thumb up his ass against a scrub like Delavadova.
RE: if LeBron  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 9:05 pm : link
In comment 12331068 MookGiants said:
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didn't have to be the entire team on offense and play insane minutes, they would be putting him on Curry or Thompson at the end of games, like they have against other teams top players in the past and he's been very successful doing it. He's an excellent defender, but with how awful they are offensively right now they would be out of their minds to have him chasing Curry and Thompson around. And he still has to exert a lot more energy defensively than Curry does, who stands there with his thumb up his ass against a scrub like Delavadova.


I dont think anyone is disagreeing with it. But what I am sayying is that he hasnt had the defensive impact that he has had in years past because they need to save him for offense.

And let us all agree this national anthem singer totally kicked ass. Good for her.
Finally  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:05 pm : link
a national anthem that wasn't a complete abortion. Loved it.
That kid  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 9:06 pm : link
Looks exactly like John Connor's sidekick from Terminator 2.
Was she autistic as well?  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 9:09 pm : link
I mean being what 9, 10? And blind? Just unreal. Just awesome.
Ugh  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 9:12 pm : link
why is Scott Foster in this game. Most crooked official ever.
Shumpert  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:21 pm : link
is shooting like 25% from the field in this series. What a dreadful offensive player
Wow  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 9:21 pm : link
That was actually a bad charge call in GS's favor.
Shumpert from 2 point range  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:23 pm : link
2 for 15 in this series. And at least 4 of those 15 shots have been layups.
i dont mind the no call  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:26 pm : link
but that was called a foul on LeBron in game 5, where he went straight up with one arm and the other pushed I believe green in the stomach/chest. Same thing happened there
Whenever  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:29 pm : link
LeBron has gone to his left hand to shoot even layups he's struggled in this series, odd
if Iguodala  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:30 pm : link
is going to shoot like this you can just hand GS the trophy right now.
Here we go  
illmatic : 6/16/2015 9:46 pm : link
with the terrible officiating. Not like it's an important game or anything though. No big deal, NBA.
I've yet to hear David Blatt  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2015 9:46 pm : link
talk strategy during those timeouts. It's always cliche bullshit about staying focused or whatever.
...  
christian : 6/16/2015 9:48 pm : link
The crazy thing about Lebron is how arguably the best two players he's been paired with, Bosh and Love have been markedly less effective with him. I'll leave Wade out with all of the injuries. And then he makes a bunch of next tier players like Mike Miller, Varajeo, Ilgauskas, and Mozgov look much better.

I will always contend James' career would be on par with Jordan, Magic and Russel if he played under a great coach. Skill and talent he's on par, but he's never turned in a dynasty type run like those guys and I blame that on bad coaching. He's never played in a system that exploited guys on the roster top to bottom.
RE: I've yet to hear David Blatt  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12331142 bceagle05 said:
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talk strategy during those timeouts. It's always cliche bullshit about staying focused or whatever.


That's all they ever show of the coaches on TV. You don't honestly think he's not ever talking strategy, do you? The teams arent going to allow them to show that
Before Shumpert levelled Green  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 9:56 pm : link
He was holding Curry after Barbosa's screen.
Er  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 9:57 pm : link
Until barbosa'S screen.
Cleveland has to make a run  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 9:57 pm : link
with no Klay.
why  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 9:58 pm : link
is Cleveland posting up Shumpert? He can't finish anything. If he's not standing still with a wide open three, he has absolutely zero offensive skill
have you ever seen  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 10:06 pm : link
an NBA player who simply can't hit a layup? And they don't go in and out, he just bricks them routinely
nice flop  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 10:07 pm : link
that's a joke that the ref called that
Yeah, but maybe  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 10:10 pm : link
He somehow glanced at the box score and said, "Shit, we better call Cleveland on something just so it looks more even!"
Lebron  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:15 pm : link
getting whatever he wants without Iggy in the game. Green cant defend him.
Holy fuck  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:18 pm : link
lebron got away with slapping Livingston on the forearm.

21-4 free throw disparity? Scott Foster in the game? Seems about right.
Every time I watch Mozgov I hate Dolan more.  
yatqb : 6/16/2015 10:19 pm : link
That kid can contribute on a top team.
they withstood the early onslaught  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 10:21 pm : link
but all these fouls are likely to do the Warriors in as the game develops. The Cavs aren't going to keep coughing the ball up and clanking shots at the line.
well actually  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 10:22 pm : link
they might keep coughing the ball up. But those fouls ain't stopping.
When Klay went out of the game  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:25 pm : link
and Ezeli picked up those fouls quickly in the 2nd, you knew it was going to be a Cleveland quarter.
I don't understand  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2015 10:33 pm : link
why Klay makes so many stupid fouls. If Kerr plays him early in the 2nd half, he better not commit that 4th until later in the period.
RE: I don't understand  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/16/2015 10:34 pm : link
In comment 12331197 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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why Klay makes so many stupid fouls. If Kerr plays him early in the 2nd half, he better not commit that 4th until later in the period.


He's just not been particularly present for much of the series.
Cant say Lebron  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:38 pm : link
hasnt gotten help this game. Thompson and Mozgov have killed it.
lol shumpert  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 10:41 pm : link
tell me again how good he is. Worthless offensive player.
And theres Klay 4th  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:49 pm : link
on a call that didnt need to be made. Thompson got that reboudn no problem.
Fuck Delly....  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:51 pm : link
POS player. Look for him to take another cheap shot on someone so he can help the Cavs.
RE: And theres Klay 4th  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12331211 dep026 said:
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on a call that didnt need to be made. Thompson got that reboudn no problem.


So they should ignore the foul even though the ref was blowing his whistle at basically the same exact time as he grabs it?

A foul is a foul. You don't ignore it because it's going to be a guys 4th
RE: RE: And theres Klay 4th  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12331213 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12331211 dep026 said:


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on a call that didnt need to be made. Thompson got that reboudn no problem.



So they should ignore the foul even though the ref was blowing his whistle at basically the same exact time as he grabs it?

A foul is a foul. You don't ignore it because it's going to be a guys 4th


See I disagree. TT had the rebound despite the jostling. No advantage gained. Now if TT didnt get the ball or fumbled it, then you call the foul....

Take the example of Mebrons last foul. If Fezeli dunks it, they dont call the foul. But since he missed it, you get the late whistle.
Lebron  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:09 pm : link
needs a 2007 Pistons game 5 fourth quarter.
golden state is just flat out careless  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:19 pm : link
at times.
they create their own issues
Curry and Thompson  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:19 pm : link
need to finish the game off, they have been both subpar so far, Klay being much worse.

Cleveland will be in the bonus soon as well.
Klay needs to sack up and hit some shots  
ADeP7 : 6/16/2015 11:21 pm : link
Piss poor fouls and terrible play for him in his limited time played


Time to step up
RE: Cant say Lebron  
djm : 6/16/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12331202 dep026 said:
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hasnt gotten help this game. Thompson and Mozgov have killed it.


You're kidding right...
HUGE shot  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:22 pm : link
from steph
And curry  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:22 pm : link
responds.
RE: RE: Cant say Lebron  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12331226 djm said:
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In comment 12331202 dep026 said:


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hasnt gotten help this game. Thompson and Mozgov have killed it.



You're kidding right...


28 points, 24 rebounds, 5 blocks....I'd say thats a really good night for their 2 bigs.
Iggy  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:24 pm : link
again....
Curry's 4th quarters  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:25 pm : link
just unbelievable.
lol Refs trying to let Lebron do  
illmatic : 6/16/2015 11:26 pm : link
anything he wants.
The no call on lebron  
UConn4523 : 6/16/2015 11:27 pm : link
was classic
this 4th quarter is classic nba reffing  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:30 pm : link
cavs in the bonus-
shump fouled the mvp 3 times on 1 play- ABC commentators continue their cavs bias and talk about back court when a ron harper hand check put him there.
lebron with another blatant shove off and no call. he doesnt even do it subtly...its actually comical--- he knows he owns the ref and can do whatever the fk he wants to get the ball and create space.
derek harper hand check  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:30 pm : link
wrong harper
Iggy  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:32 pm : link
wow.
lol  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:36 pm : link
think they call Lebrons 6th on something like that?
Lebrons forearm  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:40 pm : link
is invisible to the refs.
Cavs fate was sealed when Irving and Love went down  
Torrag : 6/16/2015 11:43 pm : link
They've battled and Lebron is unreal favorable calls or not. No one man can win it by himself...not even Michael.
I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:44 pm : link
went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth
they could have survived  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
without one of them, but not both, not against this team.
My wife and her family  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
Including her visiting niece are all from Cleveland. I honestly feel almost a fraction of being conflicted about this.
can we all finally agree  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
that curry is the mvp.
took over the 4th both scoring and passing.
its not even close- and that doesnt take anything away from lebron... he was dealt a sh% hand... but you cannot give him the mvp.
RE: I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
In comment 12331262 MookGiants said:
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went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth


No need too. She should just pay Delonte's West to do it when they are finished.
Wonder how Mark Jackson feels  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
having to watch this Warrior team win it all.
RE: My wife and her family  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:45 pm : link
In comment 12331264 santacruzom said:
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Including her visiting niece are all from Cleveland. I honestly feel almost a fraction of being conflicted about this.


No you dont. Live it up man, congrats.
RE: My wife and her family  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:46 pm : link
In comment 12331264 santacruzom said:
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Including her visiting niece are all from Cleveland. I honestly feel almost a fraction of being conflicted about this.


oh shut up. You don't feel conflicted at all, and if you do kick yourself in the nuts.
RE: I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
ADeP7 : 6/16/2015 11:46 pm : link
In comment 12331262 MookGiants said:
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went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth






You sound extremely salty.
You ok bud?
I think we've witnessed Mook  
illmatic : 6/16/2015 11:47 pm : link
transforming into the new MoM during this series.
RE: RE: I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:48 pm : link
In comment 12331271 ADeP7 said:
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In comment 12331262 MookGiants said:


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went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth







You sound extremely salty.
You ok bud?


She has annoyed me since she was cheering for Duke when Seth was there.

Fuck anyone who cheers for Duke.

Draymond Green triple double.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/16/2015 11:48 pm : link
Good way to recover in this series.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
ADeP7 : 6/16/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12331273 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12331271 ADeP7 said:


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In comment 12331262 MookGiants said:


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went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth







You sound extremely salty.
You ok bud?



She has annoyed me since she was cheering for Duke when Seth was there.

Fuck anyone who cheers for Duke.


God forbid the woman roots for her son
What a bitch

RE: I wouldnt mind it if LeBron's mom  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12331262 MookGiants said:
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went over and slugged Curry's mom right in the mouth


Curry's mom was apparently an awesome basketball and volleyball player in high school and college, and LeBron's mom probably... was not. My money's on Curry's mom.
6 point game  
ThreePoints : 6/16/2015 11:52 pm : link
With 37 seconds left. This one might not be over, shockingly.
LeBron's  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:53 pm : link
mom may have a penis though. She looks too much like him to not have one.
her husband played  
DG : 6/16/2015 11:53 pm : link
for the Cavs, give her a pass Mook..

Cleveland's luck will turn eventually as will the Knicks'.

Bulls' fans obsession with non-calls on LeBron is entertaining. Congratulations to the Warriors, they are a great team. I'm not sure they would have beaten the Spurs though.
Oh and  
DG : 6/16/2015 11:54 pm : link
f*!k Duke..
hey  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:54 pm : link
I don't mind the Warriors, actually like the entire team minus Green, hate him.

I just wanted Cleveland to win a title. Their fans deserve it.
RE: her husband played  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:55 pm : link
In comment 12331281 DG said:
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for the Cavs, give her a pass Mook..

Cleveland's luck will turn eventually as will the Knicks'.

Bulls' fans obsession with non-calls on LeBron is entertaining. Congratulations to the Warriors, they are a great team. I'm not sure they would have beaten the Spurs though.


So you agree that they are non-calls that favor him in the NBA finals? Sorry bud, I have been here throughout the playoffs and Ive called out poor refs in every game.
I wonder  
santacruzom : 6/16/2015 11:56 pm : link
If GS will be tempted to trade Harrison Barnes in the off season and start Iggy next year.
RE: I wonder  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:56 pm : link
In comment 12331287 santacruzom said:
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If GS will be tempted to trade Harrison Barnes in the off season and start Iggy next year.


I would love Barnes on Chicago. How about Barnes for Gibson?
James had no legs under that shot  
ThreePoints : 6/16/2015 11:57 pm : link
Tired star.
classy exit  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2015 11:58 pm : link
for lebron
they're  
MookGiants : 6/16/2015 11:58 pm : link
not going to trade Barnes, that would be very stupid. Iguodala worked in this specific series as a starter, but they are far better over the long term hanging onto Barnes.
Luke Walton  
dep026 : 6/16/2015 11:59 pm : link
gets yet another ring....
Welp  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/16/2015 11:59 pm : link
Congrats Santa on the championship  
ADeP7 : 6/16/2015 11:59 pm : link


God I hope to one day see the Knicks win one
I've gotten my titles from the Giants Yankees and duke I need a Knicks one
What a crazy thing  
B in ALB : 6/17/2015 12:01 am : link
Technically GS has four titles.

The Knicks have two.

What the fuck.
Iggy may not get the MVP  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 12:01 am : link
but GS doesnt win this without him. He was awesome all series, sans free throws.
why do these championship  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:02 am : link
hats always look like a 3rd grader designed them?
Ok, onto the real important stuff...  
bceagle05 : 6/17/2015 12:03 am : link
Draft and free agency...
I hear a lot  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 12:03 am : link
Of fireworks. At least, I HOPE they are fireworks.
"Two and four??"  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 6/17/2015 12:09 am : link
Iggy gets the MVP  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 12:09 am : link
and its very well deserved.
LOL @ Iguodala  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:10 am : link
winning MVP over LeBron and Curry.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
RE: they're  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 12:10 am : link
In comment 12331291 MookGiants said:
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not going to trade Barnes, that would be very stupid. Iguodala worked in this specific series as a starter, but they are far better over the long term hanging onto Barnes.


Barnes is likely not someone they'll keep when his contract is up... especially if Klay Thompson's dad is right about how they'll pursue: Kevin Durant!!
Andre igoudala  
ADeP7 : 6/17/2015 12:10 am : link
NBA finals mvp
well deserved  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 12:10 am : link
could have been he or steph imo- their offense every shot is a direct result of the steph double team.
but iggy shifted the mo of the series. good for him.
If you hold the worlds  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 12:11 am : link
best player to a shooting percentage in the 30s, you earned it. Throw in 17-5-4 offensively with a shit load of steals....
There's precedent for the losing team having the MVP.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 12:12 am : link

What LeBron did in this finals is completely, utterly historic.

how can anyone  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:14 am : link
with a straight face actually say Andre Iguodala was more valuable than LeBron in this series?
Lebron  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 12:14 am : link
missed 118 shots in this series. Holy fuck lord.
The Cavs  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:15 am : link
were leaving Iguodala wide open on nearly every possession.

I would sure fucking hope he could hit some of those shots.
LeBron  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:18 am : link
wasn't shooting the ball well in this series before they put Iguodala into the starting lineup and on LeBron most of the time.

The series turned when Steph Curry decided to show up. Not because of Andre Iguodala
So what was Lebrons secret message?  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 12:22 am : link
My guess was if they won the title, he would retire.
...  
christian : 6/17/2015 12:26 am : link
Congrats SC! Nothing better than seeing your favorite team winning a title for the first time in your life.

East Bay basketball fans are seriously as legit as it gets in the NBA. I've been to Oracle countless time when the Warriors sucked and it was rocking and packed. The average fan is also a notch above knowledgeable. I miss watching basketball at George and Walt's. The fans in New York by and large don't know shit here about basketball when you're out.

The Warriors played a parameter focused game all year that I can't believe stayed effective and won a ring. They've been an insanely entertaining team and they have a core that honestly should improve.

Great, great win for the East Bay.
congrats santa  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 12:26 am : link
the Warriors had a special year. They were the best team in basketball this year. 67 wins and a Championship.

As much as I want to hate the Warriors, I find them to be a likeable bunch outside of Draymond and Bogut. But every team needs a couple of assholes. Curry and Kerr are pure class all the way, nothing but respect for the both of them. And the Bay Area has some of the best NBA fans in the world, those guys always bring it and I'm pretty happy those guys finally have a Championship of their own after decades of Lakers ownage in Cali.

Iggy is my favorite player on the Warriors. He's the guy I'm happiest to see win a ring. And he had a tremendous series. He more than made up for Klay Thompson's poor Finals showing.

But Steph Curry was the MVP. And if it wasn't Steph it was LeBron in a losing effort. Iggy was awesome but you don't give the MVP to a guy who was THOROUGHLY outplayed by the guy he was guarding. Still I'm happy for Iggy and his son's reaction is what it's all about.

Bill Russell might be the GOAT American athlete, sad to see him look so weak and old.
it is fucking depressing  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:26 am : link
seeing how big of a deal people are making about a 40 year drought, and then you realize the Knicks are in a 45 year drought, and that drought will at the minimum be 47 years without question. And to end it at 47 years the Knicks would need an insane amount of good fortune. in reality we're looking at at least a 50 year drought. Probably more like 75 years or 100 years

I don't think the Knicks  
DG : 6/17/2015 12:30 am : link
win anything until Dolan's gone. He's made the gods angry.
...  
christian : 6/17/2015 12:33 am : link
Osi great point. The Lakers being total trash and the Warriors winning is total icing.

I said this before, Lebron is just snake bit in Cleveland. The cast of clowns he was on the court with this time was far worse than when he lost in Cleveland last time and orders of magnitude worse than any of the Heat teams. But to his legacy despite being the most talented NBA player probably ever he just keeps losing finals. Unfair to him, but just keeps happening.
Kyrie and Love are just injury-prone  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 12:45 am : link
always have been and probably always will be. Wade was perennially banged up in Miami. It sucks.

LeBron has maybe 3 years left of MVP play left. Looking at the pathetic EC landscape, I would be shocked if anyone but the Cavs make the Finals next year. The Hawks will take a dip and it will be some other team's turn to challenge LeBron like the Pacers and Bulls before them. I'm guessing it will be Washington's turn.

Hopefully Durant is healthy out West. He makes the West so much more interesting. Kanter gives the Russ/KD/Ibaka trio a big man who can finally score in the post. I think they could've won the title this year had KD come back healthy.

I wonder how the Spurs play next year. They lost a bloodbath to the Clippers but I still think they were the team with the best chance of exposing the Warriors' weaknesses.

I love the Rockets and I'm proud of their comeback against the Clippers. But the 4 teams who could've dethroned the Warriors this year were #1 the Spurs, #2 a healthy Cavs squad, #3 a healthy Thunder squad, #4 the Clippers. 67 wins and the Championship, but I hesitate on calling Golden State one of the best NBA teams I've ever seen because they had a relatively easy road to the Finals. Doesn't take anything away from the accomplishment but just trying to put them in historical perspective.
Well, it's not like this was the team he signed up for  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 12:54 am : link
But Kyrie and Love playing big minutes, I don't think that changes anything. That makes them a worse defensive team and defense is how they had even the smallest punchers' chance.
RE: Well, it's not like this was the team he signed up for  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 12:58 am : link
In comment 12331338 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But Kyrie and Love playing big minutes, I don't think that changes anything. That makes them a worse defensive team and defense is how they had even the smallest punchers' chance.


Kyrie and Love playing changes everything. Especially Kyrie. The difference between him and Delly alters everything for Cleveland offensively.
They would not have been  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 12:59 am : link
that much worse defensively. Dellavadova is not a good defender. Curry was missing shots he hits in his sleep, that changed in game 4. Thompson isn't a great defender, either. And with Love/Irving on the floor that frees up LeBron to guard one of their better players as he doesn't need to conserve nearly as much energy for offense. They would have had Shumpert on Curry and LeBron on Thompson a lot.

They would have been a million times better offensively.

I dont think this series is all that close if they have Love and Irving. Their defense was aided in this series significantly by slowing the game down on offense because of the lack of firepower.
and I'm no big fan of Love  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:01 am : link
but they had James Jones on the floor quite a bit, and he belongs no where near an NBA finals game.

Put Love in for those minutes and they are that much better.

Their chances to actually win this series rested on the shoulders of JR Smith, in other words they had no chance.
RE: RE: Well, it's not like this was the team he signed up for  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 1:03 am : link
In comment 12331340 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 12331338 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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But Kyrie and Love playing big minutes, I don't think that changes anything. That makes them a worse defensive team and defense is how they had even the smallest punchers' chance.



Kyrie and Love playing changes everything. Especially Kyrie. The difference between him and Delly alters everything for Cleveland offensively.


they're not good defensive players thought.
they weren't  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:04 am : link
replaced by good defensive players, so what does it really matter?
Andre Iguodala as MVP is absurd  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 1:05 am : link
and was only because of this narrative that he shut down LeBron and because of his story of taking a backseat this season. But the MVP is not about who had the nicest storyline. And I say this as a fan of Iguodala's game and career.

Iguodala played strong defense on LeBron for the times that he guarded him, which wasn't even close to the entire series. But let's be real, here. The Warriors offense runs through Steph Curry. Were people not watching how he draws out the defender beyond the 3-point line-- and often gets double-teamed beyond the 3-point line because of his shooting ability, and then it's his quickness that allows him to pass out of it, and it causes a Warrior to be wide open attacking the hoop, or wide open for a wing 3, or wide open for a corner 3. Steph Curry makes it so that his teammates have the easiest shots in the game.

Saying Iguodala was the MVP over Steph is akin to saying that after seeing the Warriors play for the last 6 games against Cleveland, that if we went back to the first play of Game 1, and one of them would suffer a season-ending injury, that it would have been more detrimental for Iguodala to suffer the injury than Steph. That is absolutely absurd.
whatever hit  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:06 am : link
they'd take on defense would be made up for 10x over on offense.

The entire dynamic of the series changes. It goes from ugly low-scoring series to a high-octane "my offense is better" series.

And that would've put tons more pressure on Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Iggy, and all of these GS offensive players to hit their shots. They would've needed a much better Klay Thompson performance if they wanted to beat a healthy Cavs team.
Yeah, I just don't agree with you there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 1:07 am : link
Cleveland overachieved defensively early on in the series, and I think that is what had a hand In golden state not looking remotely like the team the were in the regular season until game 5.

Dellavadova is no star, but I don't think Irving wins any kind of defensive matchup against curry the way GS schemes to get him open.
and  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:07 am : link
because of the injuries to Love and Irving, LeBron was not able to impact the game on the defensive end nearly as much as he usually does.

Dellavadova played as hard as you could ever ask a player to play, but the bottom line is that he's simply not very good. Terrible offensively and just OK defensively. Curry was missing shots, then he stopped missing them.

One of those games that Cleveland overachieved  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:10 am : link
in defensively, Irving played until middle of overtime when he got hurt. So his defensive liabilities didn't seem to impact them in that game, did it?

It was more Curry missing shots he hits with his eyes closed than it was anything the Cavs were doing. And the Cavs were griding those games to a halt.

And Golden State looked like Golden State starting in the 4th quarter of game 3 and never looked back after that
Ten Ton  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:11 am : link
so you think losing an All-Star PG and an All-Star PF and replacing them in the rotation with a guys who belong in the NBDL (Delly and James Jones) actually gave the Cavs a better chance in this series?

Come on.
the Cavs  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:14 am : link
had zero bench and were playing two complete scrubs as part of their rotation, one of them starting.

And somehow having Love and Irving would not have mattered. In a series where the Cavs won two games, had another one go to overtime, and were down by 2 points in the 4th quarter of another.

Amazing.

the MVP should have gone to LeBron  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 1:16 am : link
I have never seen a player carry a team like what he did.

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Missing Love and Kyrie were enormous losses. The Cavaliers didn't have a single other competent ball-handler besides LeBron. This idea that they were okay with Cinderellavedova is absurd. In the 5 games he played since Kyrie went down, he shot 15-for-53 (28%), had 45 points, 16 assists, and 15 turnovers.

And Love would have given the Cavaliers someone who could not only shoot very well and stretch the defense, but also a fantastic passer and rebounder we he stays down low. Even if Tristan gives the team more rim-protecting size, Love is more versatile and not only that, it allows the team to throw in different lineups and keep legs fresher.


RE: Ten Ton  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 1:19 am : link
In comment 12331352 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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so you think losing an All-Star PG and an All-Star PF and replacing them in the rotation with a guys who belong in the NBDL (Delly and James Jones) actually gave the Cavs a better chance in this series?

Come on.


I think even if they had those guys at full strength Golden State is the better team. They didn't even make it thru the regular season without benching love for game-deciding minutes because of his defense. I feel like GS could have handled them. They're not just a showtime, 3-bombing team. They play hellacious defense,

The only way Cleveland was going to have a chance was to play the type of physical game I don't think Irving and love could play.
Bogut and Green  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 1:21 am : link
Aren't assholes. Sure, they may be feisty and chippy and in Green's case, boisterous, but they're not, like, Matt Barnes or something.

Bogut in particular is a super candid, thoughtful, respectful interview who often has a lot of good stuff to say about his opponent.
well we'll never know  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:21 am : link
GS deserved the title. Best team all year. I'm rooting for LeBron to eventually bring one home.
So  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:23 am : link
only Barnes can be an asshole?

Draymond Green is most certainly an asshole.

Draymond is most definitely an asshole  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:25 am : link
he probably yells more than any player in the league. Just a very annoying player. One of those guys I'd hate to play against but probably be a big fan of if he were on my team.

Bogut actually seems cool like you said, but he's a big dirty mofo. Could literally be called for illegal screens every single time he does it, he gets away with it like KG used to get away with it.
they should have thrown  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:26 am : link
Green out of the game just for being a douche when he was signaling for a flagrant foul review tonight. How fucking lame was that?
Vintage Shumpert  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 1:26 am : link
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Shumpert shot 11 percent inside five feet for the finals
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that's  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:27 am : link
one of the more impressive stats ive ever seen.

You have to actually try to suck that bad from that close to put up those type of numbers. Impressive
what's worse is that he knows he sucks at the rim  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:31 am : link
which is why he took all those awful pull-up mid range jumpers in this series when he should've been taking it to the hole.

JR and Shump are two guys whose lack of confidence was easy to see. As much as Delly sucked, atleast he battled out there and didn't back down. JR and Shump just looked like losers out there, aside from the occasional JR hot streak and Shumps' good hands on the defensive side.
RE: RE: Ten Ton  
David in LA : 6/17/2015 1:32 am : link
In comment 12331357 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12331352 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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so you think losing an All-Star PG and an All-Star PF and replacing them in the rotation with a guys who belong in the NBDL (Delly and James Jones) actually gave the Cavs a better chance in this series?

Come on.



I think even if they had those guys at full strength Golden State is the better team. They didn't even make it thru the regular season without benching love for game-deciding minutes because of his defense. I feel like GS could have handled them. They're not just a showtime, 3-bombing team. They play hellacious defense,

The only way Cleveland was going to have a chance was to play the type of physical game I don't think Irving and love could play.


I have to disagree with you. Cleveland was the hottest team after the Mozgov trade, I think they'd have more than a puncher's chance. Kyrie and Love would not only allow Lebron to take longer breaks, but they would have kept guys like Delladedova (players who are playing longer minutes and much larger responsibilities than they've ever been asked of before) fresher.
wow, just saw this stat  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 1:33 am : link
Cavaliers Offense
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..............James created....James didn't create
Points.........346.....................215
FG pct........43.2....................31.3
3-pt pct......37.3....................16.9
RE: Draymond is most definitely an asshole  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 1:40 am : link
In comment 12331361 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Bogut actually seems cool like you said, but he's a big dirty mofo. Could literally be called for illegal screens every single time he does it, he gets away with it like KG used to get away with it.


He has actually all but admitted doing that in interviews with innuendo.

Sports sure turns people into judgemental and hateful people. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I've heard Draymond Green speak and have read more about him than anyone here, and to assume he's an assholes strikes me as having an axe to grind. In Mook's case I can only guess he went to a school Mook hates, but Osi? C'mom man!
I actually  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:45 am : link
have nothing against Michigan State. I'm a big Izzo fan.

I just don't like Draymond. He is annoying as hell.
I liked Draymond is college  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:46 am : link
I just find him to be really annoying in the NBA. I'll back off from the "asshole" comment and just stick with really annoying. He's just so over the top with all the theatrics.
Great  
MookGiants : 6/17/2015 1:46 am : link
you've heard him speak. Woopty fucking doo. We're talking about the type of guy he is on the basketball court. We don't know him in real life. He's an asshole on the basketball court.
Draymond Green the communications major  
David in LA : 6/17/2015 1:49 am : link
real classy guy
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I thought LeBron CLEARLY deserved the MVP.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/17/2015 1:52 am : link
The Cavs were pretty much the sorriest collection of talent I've seen in the Finals since... the last LeBron Cavs team. LeBron was the first player ever in the Finals to lead both teams in points, assists, and rebounds. I still can't believe such a pathetic roster made the Finals.
Welp, some "controversial" Lebron quotes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 2:01 am : link
Sure to feed sports radio and tv.

Baxter Holmes
@BaxterHolmes


LeBron says he's almost to the point where he'd rather not even make the playoffs than lose in the Finals, which he's done four times. 26m
Damn  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 2:04 am : link
Those tweets from a 20 year old Draymond Green would be right at home on some of our NBA threads if they read a little less black.
LeBron needed to go for 50 + tonight  
chris r : 6/17/2015 2:20 am : link
unfortunately he ended up shooting sub 40% for the series. He's a great player, but he's far too willing to have his teammates lose for him.
It's no surprise that LeBron's teams have four finals losses  
jdf : 6/17/2015 2:58 am : link
The Eastern conference is so weak and he's so good that they can sail through to the finals against lesser teams. But then they inevitably face the best team coming out of the tougher west, and it's just a different level of competition.
Yes shooting an iverson percentage  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 5:34 am : link
While being single covered and winning as many games as the 49 win nets did against the peak Duncan Spurs means you get the m v p.

He was not great in game 6- he was not good in game 4- and they lost 4 games and won 2.

He was not the m v p
When a player is doing this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 8:40 am : link


LeBron James Leads Both Teams - NBA Finals
PPG 35.8
APG 8.8
RPG 13.3
>>1st to lead in all categories in Finals history


LeBron James in the 2015 Finals.
G1: 44 p 8 r 6 a
G2: 39 p 16 r 11 a
G3: 40 p 12 r 8 a
G4: 20 p 12 r 8 a
G5: 40 p 12 r 8 a
G6: 32 p 18 r 9 a

I feel like you're looking for something to nitpick when stressing shooting percentage when the context is playing a top defensive team with no competent team around you.

there is no nit picking  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 8:47 am : link
he had a great series- he could not have done more... he is also not the MVP --- they won 2 games... lost 4. in game 4 he played poor. In game 6 he couldn't make a shot-
he was the only player on his team allowed to touch the ball-
nit picking would be shooting 43% or something. shooting sub 40% is Iverson level. it may have been what was needed but the number is the number... its a horrible percentage.
the warriors played the game in a way for him to take a lot of shots... likely make a lot... but miss a lot too. that is what happened. just like Curry didn't get as many stats because the cavs game plan was to double him every possession off the pnr.

saying a guy who lost a series 4-2 shouldn't have won the mvp is not nit picking.
But when you  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 8:50 am : link
take the majority of the shots, and miss the majority of them... you share the responsibility in defeat. Shooting 39% from the floor and 68% from the line....

And lets not make it seem like he was doubled every possession or he was constantly running through and around screen. He had the ball single covered for the majority of the series.
They lost the series and were expected to lose the series  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 9:00 am : link
with that roster. The fact that he got them two wins, including a road win, should be mentioned and stand for something.

We can call out the shooting percentage, but his performance was still arguably the most dominating a performance as has ever been seen in the history of the NBA finals.

You mention Iverson, and it's funny. He's basically playing with the same team Iverson made the finals with when Aaron McKie was his co-star.
RE: They lost the series and were expected to lose the series  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12331481 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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with that roster. The fact that he got them two wins, including a road win, should be mentioned and stand for something.

We can call out the shooting percentage, but his performance was still arguably the most dominating a performance as has ever been seen in the history of the NBA finals.

You mention Iverson, and it's funny. He's basically playing with the same team Iverson made the finals with when Aaron McKie was his co-star.


Jordan's 93 finals were better.
Lebron  
Metnut : 6/17/2015 9:06 am : link
had a good but not great series. Tactically, I think his gameplan was very good and kept them in the game against GS, but he simply didn't shoot good enough for a depleted CLE to pull it off against GS. It's hard to say he played great with all of those missed FTs/jump shots (even if his usage rate was completely absurd).

Aside from wanting Lebron to shoot better, I'm not what else you could've asked of him though. He set his teammates up for constant open 3s, open lanes to the basket, etc. etc. His passing really is excellent.
RE: They lost the series and were expected to lose the series  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 9:07 am : link
In comment 12331481 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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with that roster. The fact that he got them two wins, including a road win, should be mentioned and stand for something.

We can call out the shooting percentage, but his performance was still arguably the most dominating a performance as has ever been seen in the history of the NBA finals.

I have been making the Iverson comp all finals- comparing this team to the philly team... Iverson got 1 game off a 3 peat lakers squad that was MASSIVELY better then this warrior team ( I don't care about advanced stats I watched both series). does he get a lifetime achievement award?
Lebron has received enough well deserved praise for a heroic attempt at leading a band of bums to the finals- but that doesn't mean you get the MVP because the game was set up for you to get all the stats and you got them.
You mention Iverson, and it's funny. He's basically playing with the same team Iverson made the finals with when Aaron McKie was his co-star.
apols r.e. the reply  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 9:07 am : link
I have been making the Iverson comp all finals- comparing this team to the philly team... Iverson got 1 game off a 3 peat lakers squad that was MASSIVELY better then this warrior team ( I don't care about advanced stats I watched both series). does he get a lifetime achievement award?
Lebron has received enough well deserved praise for a heroic attempt at leading a band of bums to the finals- but that doesn't mean you get the MVP because the game was set up for you to get all the stats and you got them.
I'm not a big LeBron fan. I think he's every bit as arrogant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 9:14 am : link
and empty as he appears to be, but I would disagree with the idea that he gets enough praise for doing big things with teams of bums.

The fact that people keep wanting to criticize him for his W/L record in the finals compared to Jordan is evidence of that. There's no Pippen alongside him. No great team or coach behind him. The closest he came to that is a past his prime and/or injured Wade and a shallow, hastily constructed Heat team that was never really well built for success.

RE: I'm not a big LeBron fan. I think he's every bit as arrogant  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12331504 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and empty as he appears to be, but I would disagree with the idea that he gets enough praise for doing big things with teams of bums.

The fact that people keep wanting to criticize him for his W/L record in the finals compared to Jordan is evidence of that. There's no Pippen alongside him. No great team or coach behind him. The closest he came to that is a past his prime and/or injured Wade and a shallow, hastily constructed Heat team that was never really well built for success.


He has been getting slobbered over all series. And he has picked and choose the teams he wanted to play with for the last 5 years.
nobody has criticized him  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 9:21 am : link
the finals hasn't even been about the warriors. the entire narrative has been about LeBron this LeBron that... you would think the only person to play heavy minutes and have to carry a team in nba history. its been non stop. you heard more about delladova then curry for the bulk of the series.
nobody is talking 2-4--- and if they are they are making excuses for it... they don't even mention the 6 appearances are the benefit of a garbage east...

A guy can play great and not win the MVP. A guy can play great and still have some poor parts to his stats. this is all allowed.
I agree here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 9:25 am : link
" A guy can play great and not win the MVP. A guy can play great and still have some poor parts to his stats. this is all allowed."

I just think the performance justified the consideration for it, and there's precedent for it.

Ultimately it's unimportant. It's a series MVP award. You could've given it to Curry and it would've been accepted as well. Iguodala winning it I understood too.
"And he has picked and choose the teams he wanted to play with"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/17/2015 9:30 am : link
Well, true, but he left because Cleveland was inept and basically failed to get any meaningful talent around him to win with.

He did give them 7 years to do it. I think the best they did was Boobie Gibson and Jamario Moon.
MVP is an individual award  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 10:16 am : link
and should go to the player that had the greatest impact on the series. More often than not, it should go to the player on the winning team, but I have no problem with giving it to the player on the losing side if he had the greatest impact on the games-- which LeBron did. Basketball is still a team game.

Giving it to Iguodala is an absurd choice, meant to fit a false narrative and nice storyline.

I wish I could see the data as to when Iguodala actually guarded LeBron, because as my memory serves, in the first half of hte series, he was only really guarding him in the 4th quarter when LeBron was gassed but still forced to carry the loads.

Later in the series, he guarded him more frequently, but still not all game. So if Iguodala was so masterful in his defense on LeBron, then why didn't he guard him all game?

And Iguodala's offense was predicated entirely on what Steph Curry did to give him the leasiest layups or wide open shots he could ever ask for.

I don't know how you can watch what LeBron did this series, and then say the most valuable player in the series was the guy defending him.
love how the bulls fans  
djm : 6/17/2015 12:01 pm : link
are so quick to pick apart Lebron's flaws. I still can't get past Dep saying that Lebron got a lot of help last night because his two bigs combined for 28 points.

Lebron got less help in these finals than any other time in NBA history. His team was laughably bad. HE had a fucking D league team out there with him. Mozgov was the 2nd best player on the floor. Get that? Timofy fucking Mozgov was the 2nd best player on the floor.

No player is carrying that Cavs team to the finals let alone winning them against one of the better all time regular season teams to come along in quite some time.

Curry should have been the mvp though.
RE: I'm not a big LeBron fan. I think he's every bit as arrogant  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12331504 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The fact that people keep wanting to criticize him for his W/L record in the finals compared to Jordan is evidence of that. There's no Pippen alongside him. No great team or coach behind him.


Hell, screw Pippen. LeBron's fortunes in the finals could be quite different if he merely had a Bill Cartwright or Horace Grant, or even just a Steve Kerr or Kukoc-type coming off the bench, let alone a Pippen or Rodman.

I assumed the Finals would more or less be a cakewalk for the Warriors, but I was sure wrong about the impact a top-3 player in history can have.
ummm  
hitdog42 : 6/17/2015 12:50 pm : link
he was never going to beat the spurs in 2007.
in 2010 he had the better team.
they won in 11 and 12.
in 2013 they got flat beat.
this year is the only one where we can discuss supporting cast--- where clearly the injuries left the cupboard bare.
you're off by a year  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 12:54 pm : link
but last year the Spurs team were so far superior to the Heat that it wasn't close. Wade was a shell of himself. Bosh was good. And Ray Allen was 38. Last year's Spurs team was on another level from that Heat team. The passing, spacing, balance, and decision-making were incredible.
RE: love how the bulls fans  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12331808 djm said:
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are so quick to pick apart Lebron's flaws. I still can't get past Dep saying that Lebron got a lot of help last night because his two bigs combined for 28 points.

Lebron got less help in these finals than any other time in NBA history. His team was laughably bad. HE had a fucking D league team out there with him. Mozgov was the 2nd best player on the floor. Get that? Timofy fucking Mozgov was the 2nd best player on the floor.

No player is carrying that Cavs team to the finals let alone winning them against one of the better all time regular season teams to come along in quite some time.

Curry should have been the mvp though.


First off, it would help if you noticed when I made the original statement early in the 3rd when BOTH bigs had double doubles just a few minutes into the 3rd quarter. How is that not helping the cause? If you were to tell me that Lebron got 32 points and 25 rebounds combined from those 2 - he wouldnt be ecstatic? Mozgov and Thompson were more than adequate in this series.

Thompson averaged 10 points and 12 boards for the series.
Mozgov averaged 17 points and 9 rebounds in the 5 games he actually played in.

In what world are those bad numbers? People are claiming that if Lebron had a horace grant.... are you fucking kidding me. The same Horace grant that averaged a whopping 11.4 PPG and 8.7 RPG in the 3 NBA finals he won?

If Lebron shot at any type of reasonable level, they win the series. The man shot under 40%. He was part of the reason why the offense was so bad. His inefficient shooting was one of the problems with the offense. Every one keeps saying he needed to shoot the ball.... well he did, and they lost because of it.

Yeah JR Smith sucked and Delly turned into the clown that he is, but lets not act like they didnt have a shot to win the series. They were right there in 3 of the 4 games.
for some reason  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 1:09 pm : link
this whole "The Warriors won the finals!" thing just isn't on the same level as either of the recent Giants SB victories for me. Maybe I'm just not nearly the same fan of basketball as football, or maybe the degree of difficulty behind the Giants' SB wins just made them that much more satisfying, but I'm actually kind of bothered by how I'm just kind of over it already. Back to work!
RE: RE: I'm not a big LeBron fan. I think he's every bit as arrogant  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12331913 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12331504 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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The fact that people keep wanting to criticize him for his W/L record in the finals compared to Jordan is evidence of that. There's no Pippen alongside him. No great team or coach behind him.



Hell, screw Pippen. LeBron's fortunes in the finals could be quite different if he merely had a Bill Cartwright or Horace Grant, or even just a Steve Kerr or Kukoc-type coming off the bench, let alone a Pippen or Rodman.

I assumed the Finals would more or less be a cakewalk for the Warriors, but I was sure wrong about the impact a top-3 player in history can have.


Horace Grant: 11.4 and 8.7
Bill Cartwright: 6.3 and 4

Those were the Bulls starting bigs in the first 3 NBA finals.... I fail to see how if they played with Lebron, they would have beaten the Warriors. Cleveland's bigs were more than adequate. As a matter of fact, maybe they should have used Mozgov more since he could actually score.
RE: RE: love how the bulls fans  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12331958 dep026 said:
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In what world are those bad numbers? People are claiming that if Lebron had a horace grant.... are you fucking kidding me. The same Horace grant that averaged a whopping 11.4 PPG and 8.7 RPG in the 3 NBA finals he won?


Yep, that guy! The guy who generally outplayed Rodman and Laimbeer as the Bulls swept the Pistons and generally was the third or fourth leading scorer on the team, after the two guys who usually combined for more than half of their team's points.

I'm not saying that neither Thompson nor Mozgov could hold a candle to Grant, but people often act as though the only competent teammate Jordan benefitted from was Pippen. He had quite a few other key role players the likes of which LeBron would love to play with -- and the likes of which he *has* played with, when he won championships.
as a Bulls fan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:21 pm : link
you should understand how much superior to either Mozgov or Thompson that Horace Grant was. They're on completely different stratospheres as players. Grant was a killer in the mid-range and a tremendous defensive player.

1st 3peat Grant was superior to 2nd 3peat Rodman. Grant is woefully underrated historically, if he was an attention whore like Rodman maybe he'd get more respect.
LeBron's legacy  
prh : 6/17/2015 1:25 pm : link
Listen....  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 1:25 pm : link
I love me some Goggle Grant. I am not trying to knock him whatsoever. He was the perfect 3rd wheel to Jordan and Pippen.

My point was in regards to people saying James had absolutely no help. He did. His bigs came through. They were a force on the boards all series. Mozgov defensive rating was the best of any big in the playoffs. Thompson did a wonderful job doublign Curry on any pick and roll. Those 2 guys were key components to this series. They were not the problems whatsoever. If I told you before the series that Moz and TT would average near 30 points and 21 rebounds a game with supplying good defense - you would have all called me crazy.

The problem was Lebron's inefficient shooting and the other guards were no shows offensively.
I don't disagree with most of that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:46 pm : link
LeBron's Jumper was the most important aspect of this series

'07 Finals he couldn't hit an outside shot
'11 Finals he played like a pussy and was scared to take an outside shot
'15 Finals he couldn't hit an outside shot

LeBron's jumper is the one hole in his overall game. It's been inconsistent over his career and in these playoffs his J was awful. I said before the series that I'd take MJ over LeBron because MJ's outside jumper was far more reliable despite LeBron being the superior player outside of the jumper. I still stand by that opinion.

Despite the monster talent difference between the Warriors and Cavs, the Cavs would've won this series if LeBron's jumper was at the level it used to be at just a couple of years ago.

But realize what this means. We're complaining that a guy who dropped 36/13/8 couldn't shoot well from the outside. If LeBron shot well from the outside while maintaining the rest of his play from these playoffs and Finals, he would have been playing at the highest level of anyone in NBA history by 10 miles. That's how good LeBron is, that we give him a little shit for not being absolutely perfect in all facets of the game.
all these hypotheticals  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 1:53 pm : link
about "how the Cavs would have won the series if ________" discounts how well the Warriors have adapted and adjusted all season/playoffs long and, frankly, offends me on a deep level. Don't make me send Draymond Green after you.
well  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 1:59 pm : link
Cavs would've won if LeBron was a God. Turns out he isn't. I don't think that should offend you. The "If Kyrie and Love were healthy" stuff, feel free to be offended.

I think the thing I took away from the Warriors the most is how they could adjust and how calm they were. I give Steve Kerr a lot of credit. I hated his idea to take Bogut out of the series, but it ended up being a great decision.
by the way  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 2:02 pm : link
did I imagine it, dream it? Or did Festus Ezeli come up pretty big last night with overall consistent play complimented by a huge, momentum-stomping dunk?
I also loved  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 2:04 pm : link
how big Shaun Livingston was.

Shit, I guess I'm not as apathetic about this as I thought -- all these awesome storylines are now emerging.
I hated that decision too  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 2:05 pm : link
Not because I didn't think it could help, but I just really wanted Bogut to be a part of a finals-clinching game.

David Lee too. I'm glad he had has moments in the finals, but I'd have liked him to be yet another story of it-was-all-worth-it redemption.
it was such a lame Finals ceremony though  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 2:14 pm : link
I love the NBA but the actual Larry O'Brien Championship trophy just pales in comparison to a World Series, Super Bowl, or Stanley Cup. I also hated how the owners got the credit before the actual players.

I wonder how many commercials the Steph Curry family is going to be in over the next couple of months. Riley and his mom could both get TV shows right now lol.
When you talk about Lebron  
dep026 : 6/17/2015 2:18 pm : link
in this series, it should be understood he played very well, and that he was the best player in the series. Nothing I say should take away from that, however there's nothing wrong pointing out that he wasnt flawless either.

And what needs to be understood was that the Lebron that played in this series wasnt even one of the best Lebrons I ever saw play. I have seen him play at a much higher level in many series, including NBA finals. Some thing to note of this series.

- He shot horribly from the field, 3 point land, and FT line.
- He didnt play any individual defense whatsoever (as was the game plan and just by how much needed he was on offense)
- The Cavs were in every game they lost except for game 4.

When you talk about Lebron, you are speaking of one of the 3 greatest players ever. MJ, Lebron, Magic would be my top 3 because they always have the ball in their hands when its game time and played more of a role than anyone else for their teams. So when you are talking about one of the 3 greatest players ever, you expect him to rise to the occasion. Thats what GOAT players do, they play to the maximum level that carries their team.

Ive seen Lebron take out the others team best players offensively on more than one occassion.
Ive seen Lebron shoot anywhere between 55-60% from the floor for an entire series.
Ive seen Lebron score 25 consecutive points to carry his team to pivotal wins.

Was he asked to do more than any player in NBA history this series? Yeah, but only on the offensive end. People are complaining that Moz was his 2nd best player. Well like I said, he averaged 17 PPG on 55% from the floor..... tell me why they shouldnt have run more stuff for him with a 6'7 guy guarding him? If he is scoring, you feed him. Now is the ideal 2nd choice, absolutely not. But he was effective when given chances.

Lebron took 206 shots in 6 games. Thats just downright insane. He averaged 36 points on 32 shots. I am sorry, but thats not efficient enough. Osi you stated that his jumper has always been inconsistent, well he also became inconsistent around the rim as well. He missed a ton of shots he normally makes.

I am in no shape or form blaming Lebron for the loss. He was magnificent. But its also ok to acknowledge that despite the numbers, he could have done more for them to win.
RE: it was such a lame Finals ceremony though  
santacruzom : 6/17/2015 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12332084 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I love the NBA but the actual Larry O'Brien Championship trophy just pales in comparison to a World Series, Super Bowl, or Stanley Cup. I also hated how the owners got the credit before the actual players.


Yeah, totally lame. And of course, while a game 6 clinching victory is a lot less nerve-racking than having to play a game 7, it would have been nice to win at home in front of Oracle. Holy shit, what a spectacle that would have been. The fireworks in my neighborhood were already going off until 1 am.

It's going to be an interesting next few years for the Warriors. As long as they continue their sudden trend of good health and smart FO moves, they're going to remain a team to be reckoned with. Suddenly they're going to be a coveted FA destination.

Good times! Like I've been saying since November, I want the Giants to achieve what the Warriors have.
dep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/17/2015 2:33 pm : link
LeBron was asked to do more for his Finals team than any player ever. I don't even know who 2nd place would be, probably Duncan in '03. But Duncan still had more help then and went up against a much worse team. Maybe Hakeem in '94 who also had more help than LeBron did.

Expecting a player with the kind of absurd workload that LeBron had to do everything well is just not realistic. The only way the Cavs win this series is if LeBron had played on a level higher than anyone else in NBA history had played. He came close but ultimately didn't reach that level.
GSW is a mainstay  
giantsfan44ab : 6/17/2015 2:37 pm : link
This core of Curry, Klay, Green and Barnes will be in their prime together for at least 5-6 more years. Ezeli looks like he can be more than capable of replacing Bogut as well.

Bogut, Iggy, and Livingston have another 2-3 really good years left in them too. Don't see why they wouldn't bring Barbosa back either. I know he has a lot of bad press on him after the missed dunk, but Speights is more than capable of replacing David Lee's minutes should they trade him. They have the luxury of getting a high risk/reward player in this draft as well.
LeBron's efficiency  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 2:37 pm : link
also took a hit because he was gassed in every fourth quarter. His first half efficiency numbers were more than fine. I saw them somewhere, but can't find them.
Osi  
giantsfan44ab : 6/17/2015 2:38 pm : link
there was an article that ranked the supporting casts since 1985 using advanced metrics and the only 2 worse casts around a star player were Lebrons 07 team and the Larry Johnson Knicks team.
lol  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/17/2015 4:51 pm : link
at this

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Without LeBron James on the floor this series.

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG
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