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NFT: NHL draft lottery - Connor McDavid sweepstakes

RasputinPrime : 4/18/2015 9:04 pm
and the winner is the Edmonton Oilers!

Not going to lie, we oilers fans screw up this kid and the franchise should be taken from the city of Edmonton.

Anyone thinking they have the guts to move the pick or do we see teams checking in on Nugent-Hopkins?
you don't trade this pick  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2015 9:10 pm : link
you maybe trade Yakupov or Nugent-Hopkins, but you don't trade McDavid.

though I will say  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2015 9:12 pm : link
Buffalo didn't exactly lose by probably winding up with Jack Eichel.

He's going to be good, and soon, too.
LOL...4th #1 overall pick in the last 6 years for EDM  
pganut : 4/18/2015 9:30 pm : link
The fact that they haven't ascended to any resonable extent does more than whisper poor development by the organ-eye-zation. However, if they think they're still any time from "putting things together", they could do well to see what they can get for Hall. He'd fetch a good return...a weapon for a further evolved team who would team nicely with a top center. I'm sure a few teams with assets to consider moving.
i'm hearing that  
RasputinPrime : 4/18/2015 9:51 pm : link
Nugent Hopkins is the most likely deal to be had. I hope they keep them all of course, but winning games might be a nice change of pace.
My Devils hold what they got...  
Dunedin81 : 4/18/2015 10:06 pm : link
they'll have their pick of defensemen, I'm sure.
The NHL completely fucked up  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 10:43 pm : link
this opportunity with an amateur hour performance. Felt like I was back in the 1980s with this presentation.

Not surprising with this "leadership" group though.
RE: The NHL completely fucked up  
RasputinPrime : 4/18/2015 11:19 pm : link
In comment 12239531 MetsAreBack said:
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this opportunity with an amateur hour performance. Felt like I was back in the 1980s with this presentation.

Not surprising with this "leadership" group though.


No kidding. McDavid and Eichel should have made this a prime-time event. Sadly it felt very bush league.
My damn Sabres  
Steve L : 7:46 am : link
Can't even lose right. Jesus.
RE: My Devils hold what they got...  
In comment 12239477 Dunedin81 said:
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they'll have their pick of defensemen, I'm sure.


I hope they come away with a forward or a center who can put the puck in the net.
Edmonton and the NHL again  
Giants2012 : 10:01 am : link
The NHL brand is growing yet would be better served to stop putting their generation stars in these small markets. My gosh, Edmonton, really?

RE: Edmonton and the NHL again  
pjcas18 : 10:21 am : link
In comment 12239730 Giants2012 said:
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The NHL brand is growing yet would be better served to stop putting their generation stars in these small markets. My gosh, Edmonton, really?


So you think the whole thing is rigged and the NHL has simply selected Edmonton for the 4th times in 6 years for the #1 overall pick?
MacTavish said  
that the Oilers didn't want another high first round pick and that they would trade it if they could get some good young players. Now he said that a couple of months ago and now that they have the chance to draft McDavid they would have to be blown away to trade that pick. Still I would like to see the Devils try and offer Merrill, Larsson/Gelinas, 6th pick, and Reid Boucher.
RE: RE: Edmonton and the NHL again  
Giants2012 : 10:30 am : link
In comment 12239751 pjcas18 said:
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So you think the whole thing is rigged and the NHL has simply selected Edmonton for the 4th times in 6 years for the #1 overall pick?


No, I'm suggesting they do rig it and stop sending players to Edmonton. This kid is labeled a "generation" type player. Put the kid nowhere besides the Pacific Northwest.
elsewhere not nowhere  
Giants2012 : 10:31 am : link
:)
RE: elsewhere not nowhere  
pjcas18 : 10:37 am : link
In comment 12239756 Giants2012 said:
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:)


LOL, some people thought they would/should have and they fixed the 2005 draft to give the Penguins Crosby
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11:23 am : link
I was hoping he'd go to Toronto.

Edmonton's luck is amazing.
RE: ....  
Deej : 11:51 am : link
In comment 12239803 BrettNYG10 said:
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I was hoping he'd go to Toronto.

Edmonton's luck is amazing.


You misspelled ineptitude.

Im pretty tired of these multi-year fail jobs. Pittburgh and Chicago completely owe their recent success to multiple years of drafting at the top. COL and EDM may follow suit. Teams should lose pingpong balls after two years of drafting top 3, and/or getting the #1 overall pick.

RE: MacTavish said  
Default : 12:03 pm : link
In comment 12239752 Jay on the Island said:
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Still I would like to see the Devils try and offer Merrill, Larsson/Gelinas, 6th pick, and Reid Boucher.


Throw in Schnieder and another 1st and they may answer the phone.
RE: RE: MacTavish said  
In comment 12239843 Default said:
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Still I would like to see the Devils try and offer Merrill, Larsson/Gelinas, 6th pick, and Reid Boucher.



Throw in Schnieder and another 1st and they may answer the phone.

I know another 1st would likely have to be included. Edmonton is desperate for defensive help though. The only Devils that I would consider untouchable are Schneider, Severson, and Henrique.
I read that 6 out of the top 7 prospects  
are either wingers or centers. That is good news for New Jersey.
I still can't believe  
pjcas18 : 12:56 pm : link
the Bruins fired Chiarelli. If I were Edmonton I'd call him.
Nobody on the Devils  
Andy in Halifax : 12:56 pm : link
would be untouchable in a trade for McDavid. Those three alone aren't even remotely close to enough to raise a McTavish eyebrow if he even pondered trading McDavid.
It would be nice...  
Dunedin81 : 1:22 pm : link
if we could start churning out forwards the way we have been able to do with defensemen. This is me holding my breath.
McDavid is a prospect that's up there with Crosby and Ovechkin  
Anakim : 1:24 pm : link
They're not gonna trade him. Sabres will get a great one in Eichel, who would be the #1 overall pick in almost any other draft.




Side-question: why is the NHL lottery so early and the NBA lottery so late?
The Oilers will probably trade Yakupov before RNH  
Anakim : 1:27 pm : link
Nail has been rumored to be on the trading block for a while now. There was a rumor that the Rangers were discussing a deal for him.
I know they aren't going to trade him  
I have a feeling that one of Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, or Yakupov are going to be moved. The Oilers are in desperate need of defenseman and they can't afford to keep all these forwards. They also have center Draisaitl who was the 3rd overall pick in 14.
Correct  
MetsAreBack : 6:38 pm : link
while McDavid is untouchable and they would not answer the phone, not even for your package above + Schneider... I'm sure Nugent-Hopkins, Hall or Yak can be had for a top pair, young D-man or elite goalie + a 1st round pick.
RE: The Oilers will probably trade Yakupov before RNH  
pganut : 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12239936 Anakim said:
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Nail has been rumored to be on the trading block for a while now. There was a rumor that the Rangers were discussing a deal for him.
Yak just signed a 2 year deal withe the Oil. He's also beloved there because of his random acts of kindness to strangers in tough economic circumstances. One of the really good guys out there.
Yak's value isnt that high  
Deej : 6:56 pm : link
Not even clear RNH's value is that high. Cant keep valuing these guys on the basis that they were #1 picks. RNH is a 56 point center with upside at age 22. Very valuable, but it's not bringing back two elite assets. Yak would not crack our top 9 thru 200 games. Hall is elite, but dont you hang onto him to play with McDavid?

The Oilers dont need to build Rome overnight.
RE: ....  
hudson : 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12239803 BrettNYG10 said:
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I was hoping he'd go to Toronto.

Edmonton's luck is amazing.

Why the hell would you want him in Toronto; or in the east?
the Oilers  
pjcas18 : 7:13 pm : link
were allegedly shopping Hall at the deadline.

apparently he's a douche-bag, locker room cancer.

which based on the circumstances surround Seguin leaving Boston I'm surprised the Bruins were allegedly one of the teams interested in Hall (along with the Pens from what I read).
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hudson : 7:13 pm : link
In comment 12239829 Deej said:
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I was hoping he'd go to Toronto.

Edmonton's luck is amazing.



You misspelled ineptitude.

Im pretty tired of these multi-year fail jobs. Pittburgh and Chicago completely owe their recent success to multiple years of drafting at the top. COL and EDM may follow suit. Teams should lose pingpong balls after two years of drafting top 3, and/or getting the #1 overall pick.

Actually your statement is completely incorrect.

The Penguins sucked from 2002-2006 because of the old NHL pre-cap system where all smaller markets basically had to sell of players.

The Blackhawks sucked for a decade because of cheap management of Dollar Bill.

Neither tanked.
You know who did tank (aside from Buffalo)?
Washington.

That is how they got Ovechkin.
In 2003 the Caps made the playoffs, in 2004 they sold everybody off, finished 2nd to last, and beat the Pens for the draft lottery.
THEY were the tankers.
Because I think the league's better when Toronto is good.  
BrettNYG10 : 7:36 pm : link
Washington's season was over in November that year. They were 3-11-1 at November 10th. They didn't start trading guys until later in the year - and still finished ahead of Pittsburgh.
oh please...  
MetsAreBack : 8:49 pm : link

The old system wasn't bad for hockey and teams didn't "have to sell guys." I'm fine with not going to baseball's model, but what they went to was waaaaaaay overboard. It doesn't even adjust caps for cost of living or income taxes - which is so hard to fucking fathom as an educated adult that its insulting.

Your precious Penguins have been at the salary cap for years now - they couldn't dress Defensemen the last 2 weeks of this season because they weren't *allowed* to spend more. Yet whoa is them, a decade ago they just had to trade guys in free agent years. Okay... your whining is as sensical as LePews.

The league keeps the cap way too low so that 80% of teams can afford to spend at the cap. It bends over backwards these days to help out the Canadian teams just because their dollar has been hurt by the commodities bust - didn't raise the cap when commodities were booming, but funny how its a factor now.

It's socialist bullshit - and the players are getting an absolutely terrible deal.
RE: oh please...  
hudson : 10:25 pm : link
In comment 12240372 MetsAreBack said:
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The old system wasn't bad for hockey and teams didn't "have to sell guys." I'm fine with not going to baseball's model, but what they went to was waaaaaaay overboard. It doesn't even adjust caps for cost of living or income taxes - which is so hard to fucking fathom as an educated adult that its insulting.

Your precious Penguins have been at the salary cap for years now - they couldn't dress Defensemen the last 2 weeks of this season because they weren't *allowed* to spend more. Yet whoa is them, a decade ago they just had to trade guys in free agent years. Okay... your whining is as sensical as LePews.

The league keeps the cap way too low so that 80% of teams can afford to spend at the cap. It bends over backwards these days to help out the Canadian teams just because their dollar has been hurt by the commodities bust - didn't raise the cap when commodities were booming, but funny how its a factor now.

It's socialist bullshit - and the players are getting an absolutely terrible deal.

The pre lockout system was worse than baseball since you have so many Canadian teams and much less TV revenue.
The problem is, the NHL is 20 or more roster and with stars getting what they deserve there is way too much of a crunch you don't see in the smaller NBA or behmouth TV revenue NFL.
stars dont get close to what they deserve  
MetsAreBack : 10:30 pm : link
Crosby is easily worth $15-20 million per year. As is Malkin.

In a free market or even the NBA's market, they easily would have gotten that.

Whoa is Canada. Give me a break. It's hard to believe Fehr hasn't gotten more for his players than he has.
Didn't know that about Nail. Good for him.  
Anakim : 4/20/2015 12:49 am : link
He may be underproductive, but it sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders.



Again, I have to ask, why was the NHL lottery yesterday and the NBA lottery is next month?
RE: RE: RE: ....  
Deej : 4/20/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12240299 hudson said:
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I was hoping he'd go to Toronto.

Edmonton's luck is amazing.



You misspelled ineptitude.

Im pretty tired of these multi-year fail jobs. Pittburgh and Chicago completely owe their recent success to multiple years of drafting at the top. COL and EDM may follow suit. Teams should lose pingpong balls after two years of drafting top 3, and/or getting the #1 overall pick.



Actually your statement is completely incorrect.

The Penguins sucked from 2002-2006 because of the old NHL pre-cap system where all smaller markets basically had to sell of players.

The Blackhawks sucked for a decade because of cheap management of Dollar Bill.

Neither tanked.
You know who did tank (aside from Buffalo)?
Washington.

That is how they got Ovechkin.
In 2003 the Caps made the playoffs, in 2004 they sold everybody off, finished 2nd to last, and beat the Pens for the draft lottery.
THEY were the tankers.


Great takedown post. Except I never said that Pittsburgh or Chicago tanked. My only point was that teams like Pitt and Chi owed their success to a stretch where each floundered for multiple seasons. That's pretty undeniable.

Pens drafted top 5 for 5 straight seasons, including #1 Crosby and #2 Malkin (who would have been #1 in 75% of the past 15 drafts). #1 MAF was a trade up from 3rd overall. Those 3 players form the current core of the Pens, plus Letang (#62), Sutter, Kunitz, and Hornqvust. Kunitz was acquired for Ryan Whitney (2002 #5). Sutter was obtained in the Staal (2006 #2) trade. So 5 of the top 7 Pens (including the top 3) were obtained from that horrid stretch.

Blackhawks can attribute a lot more of their success to non-elite picks. But of their big 3, two were top 3 overall picks: Toews (#3) and Kane (#1). Keith was not a 1st rounder, and they've made a ton of good picks. Still, without that mid-2000s shitshow, they dont win a championship.
RE: oh please...  
Dunedin81 : 4/20/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12240372 MetsAreBack said:
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The old system wasn't bad for hockey and teams didn't "have to sell guys." I'm fine with not going to baseball's model, but what they went to was waaaaaaay overboard. It doesn't even adjust caps for cost of living or income taxes - which is so hard to fucking fathom as an educated adult that its insulting.

Your precious Penguins have been at the salary cap for years now - they couldn't dress Defensemen the last 2 weeks of this season because they weren't *allowed* to spend more. Yet whoa is them, a decade ago they just had to trade guys in free agent years. Okay... your whining is as sensical as LePews.

The league keeps the cap way too low so that 80% of teams can afford to spend at the cap. It bends over backwards these days to help out the Canadian teams just because their dollar has been hurt by the commodities bust - didn't raise the cap when commodities were booming, but funny how its a factor now.

It's socialist bullshit - and the players are getting an absolutely terrible deal.


IDK if I'd call it "socialist bullshit" and I'm a Devils fan, but in a sport like hockey that is struggling to find a wider audience repeated failures from large market (hockey terms anyway - population does not make a city a large hockey market) clubs is bad for the game. Hockey, unlike baseball, can market personalities because they do play a role in the outcome of most games, but it still hurts the sport if major markets have zero rooting interest after February ro so.
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