As far as the OTs prospects go, IMO it's Peat

I'm one of his biggest fans and I agree with that. It's one of the reasons why I don't think he can immediately play LT from day 1.

But while he has mediocre footwork, he has great feet. That might sound weird but watch him move and you see a very nimble and agile man. At the combine, he easily had the best feet of any OLineman there. He looked so much more fluid and natural in his movements in those combine drills than guys like Peat and Flowers.

So I think the footwork issue with Collins is easily something he can improve. It's not like he's a slug who can't move and has lazy footwork. He's just raw with his footwork but has the light feet necessary to improve his technique.

Peat has a higher ceiling as a LT than Collins. But you said it yourself, "passion and commitment". Do you really want a player whose heart you question? Do you really want a guy whose body is a mess and has stamina concerns? I wouldn't be 100% opposed to Peat at #9, but he's a pretty big risk since so much of his potential is tied into the development of his body.

on the mirror drill at the combine. As he was doing it he was so gassed he was dropping his hands and his technique went to hell. Definite lack of stamina.

In fact, I like the crazy thickness he has below the waist. That guy was born to play OT, IMO.

Re the passion and commitment, I find it strange perhaps that he's one OT the Giants didn't spend extra time with.. Although they did send top FO to Stanford's pro day, right? Maybe there is no question for the Giants about Peat's character and drive?

I feel I don't know spit about the personalities of these guys compared to the scouts...

is this "Peat doesn't work hard" stuff coming from?

Every legit scouting report I've seen says the guy is an extremely hard worker and extremely dedicated to film study.

Is that he is an incredibly talented young (20) LT who has yet to fully mature physically. He could be a monster in two years. The real question is, can he hold the fort at RT for 2 years if the Giants take him?

I think it honestly comes down between Peat and Flowers, and I see the logic behind both. Very different OTs, with big upside. In Flowers' case, some say playing through the knee injury hurt his stock because he started to have trouble with speed rushers.

In comment 12241547 Eric from BBI said:

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is this "Peat doesn't work hard" stuff coming from? Every legit scouting report I've seen says the guy is an extremely hard worker and extremely dedicated to film study.

Eric, I assume it is coming from his combine performance. The guy played many college games but his performance at the combine was worrisome. We don't know why he looked the way he did when doing one drill about every five minutes but it raised some eyebrows in a negative way. Just like some get on Gregory for failing a drug test people get on Peat. It is your biggest job interview you will probably ever have and you were not prepared for it. Couple that with him looking like an OL from the ~80s in terms of body type and I think that is why some say he doesn't work hard.

prospect? Do you know? Just wondering.

6'7, played LT at a high level, top program/coaching...etc

prospect that could easily add good weight and play LT at 6'7 330.

So far as NFL ready to start is concerned coming out of college. And that's as a try JR vs Beatty coming out as, iirc, a SR.

He's also way ahead of where Solder was, when he came out 4 years (or so, not checking) ago. Way, way ahead of either. Peat was the #1 HS recruit 3 years ago, according to some sources...

In comment 12241540 BlueLou said:

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In fact, I like the crazy thickness he has below the waist. That guy was born to play OT, IMO. Re the passion and commitment, I find it strange perhaps that he's one OT the Giants didn't spend extra time with.. Although they did send top FO to Stanford's pro day, right? Maybe there is no question for the Giants about Peat's character and drive? I feel I don't know spit about the personalities of these guys compared to the scouts...

Maybe "mess" was too strong. Peat certainly isn't an Andre Smith level "mess".

And as someone who has always felt that lower-body strength > upper body strength (squats would tell you so much more than the bench press at the combine) , I do see the potential in Peat's body.

But he has the type of body that could truly go either way. He has more "eat himself out the league" potential in him than any of the other 1st round OL prospects. But if he does get himself in great shape, he could be a stud.

In comment 12241573 drkenneth said:

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prospect that could easily add good weight and play LT at 6'7 330.

This ^^^^

His upside is to be the best Giants' OT since Rosey Brown, or better. If they were hot for Solder at 20, they should be more hot for Peat at 9, IMO. Pugh kicks inside, immediately, in all likelihood if we draft Peat...

In comment 12241556 Emil said:

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Is that he is an incredibly talented young (20) LT who has yet to fully mature physically. He could be a monster in two years. The real question is, can he hold the fort at RT for 2 years if the Giants take him? I think it honestly comes down between Peat and Flowers, and I see the logic behind both. Very different OTs, with big upside. In Flowers' case, some say playing through the knee injury hurt his stock because he started to have trouble with speed rushers.

I'd still probably take them Collins, Peat, and then Flowers, but I think it will be between Peat and Flowers. The Giants will take Flowers, unless Cooper, White, Fowler, or Beasley is available.

Redskins might take Peat.

I think Reese sees this as the year to get a big OT.

I think it's Peat or Flowers. Flowers is the darkhorse.

I think he's a top 15 pick. I think Flowers is a better prospect than Fluker was.

Unless one of those trophy receivers are available

good feeling for him. I have seen enough of him to note that Miami ran Duke Johnson behind Flowers a lot to get key yards, whereas Stanford didn't run behind Peat in key situations in the one full Peat game I watched. Stanford also didn't have an RB anywhere close to Duke Johnson in ability...

2 full years younger than Brandon Scherff. The Giants tend to like young guys. Imagine comparing Peat, after 2 years in an NFL training regime, to the Brandon Scherff you see right now... It's frightening to imagine how good Peat may become if he has the drive...

from an Eagles site...Whatever, it's got good info.
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dk.

@ the combine, Sy mentioned something about it. Perhaps Peat was battling an illness that day.

the consensus top OT was Peat, IIRC, and the talk was more about whether he would make it to 9, with most thinking he wouldn't slip. There were a few who pointed out his ending up on the turf from time to time, but few who doubted he was the top overall LT in the draft.

Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot.

This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.

Guys merit the number 9 pick

In comment 12241703 Dan in the Springs said:

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the consensus top OT was Peat, IIRC, and the talk was more about whether he would make it to 9, with most thinking he wouldn't slip. There were a few who pointed out his ending up on the turf from time to time, but few who doubted he was the top overall LT in the draft. Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot. This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.

Because Stanford OL get vastly overrated right after the NCAA season due to their system. And once scouts/coaches get to see them in person their warts come out. Jonathan Martin rise and fall. He was top 10, then mid first round and then nearly almost everyone mocked him to the Giants near the draft. And he fell to Miami in the 2nd round.

Yankey last year (smh). The beat continues.

Michigan running backs, Stanford linemen, USC quarterbacks, Michigan state Wrs(even if they can play the have enough issues off the field),newest edition should be Penn State linebackers

In comment 12241703 Dan in the Springs said:

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the consensus top OT was Peat, IIRC, and the talk was more about whether he would make it to 9, with most thinking he wouldn't slip. There were a few who pointed out his ending up on the turf from time to time, but few who doubted he was the top overall LT in the draft. Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot. This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.

Our own Dave (Sy'56) who gives us the Ourlads reports he writes went full circle on the OT prospects Peat, Collins, and Scherff - and I'm sure he looked at way more tape than any of us... at least me!

His final conclusion was that Peat is the best of the 3, just nudging out Scherff and Collins, and IIRC Dave also thought Peat was the most likely preference for the Giants...

In comment 12241706 Earl the goat said:

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Guys merit the number 9 pick

Again please go back and look at Nate Solder college tape from 2011. Vs Cal if you will... Then find Stanford vs Cal tape from 2013 or 2014.

The Giants had supposedly targeted Solder, but the Pats snuk in front of the Gman slot to nab him at 17. And lotsa people here think Solder is great, even though he's never made a pro bowl so far as I can see, let alone been an all pro selection!

Relative to Solder at 17, Peat is a much better prospect even at 9 overall IMO... And Peat is 21 years old now and a true junior early draft entry, Solder was 23 years old and a red shirt senior - or two years developmentally advanced vs Peat.

I really like Parker at 9, but the "this guy and that guy aren't worth 9 overall" talk is BS, just talking heads parroting each other and the BBI "independent thinkers" following suit.

If THE PRO EVALUATORS knew so much so well about who was or wasn't worth a "#9" pick they wouldn't screw the pooch 50% of the time on 1st rounders...

but I offer an opinion that IF THE GIANTS GRAB AN OL AT 9, it's most likely to Peat if they want an OT.

Scherff if they want an OG...

Had what some consider to be a poor combine not so much numbers wise but he seem out of condition. He also appeared to need to spend a lot of time in the weight room. Now he has gone from the #1 rated start from day one OT to many doubts. Just remember several years past a kid named Hankins went thru somewhat the same scenario why to this day no one knows.

Peat IMO is still the best OL value in this draft if the two main issues are physical conditioning and not spending more time on his feet, those seem like very small problems to solve. Look at the film look at his present size, foot work and growth potential then ask yourself who looks better at RT next year for the Giants. In addition there is no OG worthy of the #9 pick in this draft or most drafts.

Had what some consider to be a poor combine not so much numbers wise but he seem out of condition. He also appeared to need to spend a lot of time in the weight room. Now he has gone from the #1 rated start from day one OT to many doubts. Just remember several years past a kid named Hankins went thru somewhat the same scenario why to this day no one knows.

Peat IMO is still the best OL value in this draft if the two main issues are physical conditioning and not spending more time on his feet, those seem like very small problems to solve. Look at the film look at his present size, foot work and growth potential then ask yourself who looks better at RT next year for the Giants. In addition there is no OG worthy of the #9 pick in this draft or most drafts.

All the OL have great positives but warts, too. I agree that Peat's potential is vast but as a run blocker, a Giants' weakness, he leaves much to be desired. He excels as a pass blocker but there too, we can find inconsistencies, which could be due to poor conditioning or effort. It really comes down to what the OL Coach wants in a player. Scherff, for example, is a OL Coach's dream, plays with both meanness and intelligence. He is an overpowering run blocker and is less as a questionmark. Also, the Giants, as some scouts do, may see him as a tackle.
The point about Peat being younger is significant. The Giants were very patient with Beatty. If the Giants are willing to be patient with Peat, he may turn out to be an ALL Pro OT.

Giants do seem to like younger prospects, Aaron Ross aside. I said a while ago that while I prefer Collins, Peat screams like Reese pick imo.

I saw most of the Washington game and all of the Notre Dame game. I thought he was good in both and would not have a problem if he's the pick.

I'm not an OL expert by ANY stretch of the imagination but is it possible his frequent falls were because he mistimed his punch? A few times it looked like he punched early and lost balance because of it. Almost like overextending. Again, not an expert... just an observation for discussion.

I think he's the best potential LT of the bunch. But lacks the position versatility of Scherff and Collins.

He was reportedly put through his paces during his pro day and aced it. He just needs to physically mature. I'd draft him, Scherff would be second choice.

Relative to most drafts, this one isn't particularly strong where NYG is picking.

OL could wind up the best value and also fills a need, given the WRs of interest figure to be gone, and the edge rushers have a lot of questions regarding 4-3 fit. NYG tends to look at positions like DT and RB in the second round and later, the S crop is weak, etc.

Scherff, Peat, Collins will improve our OL big time if we want to draft need. But do not see them as the BPAs when when we pick. Will Reese opt for need, we will see.

Saw the same thing about Peat, lunging falling forward. Scherff too, has his inconsistencies, especially pass blocking. He is so smart and anticipates well but sometimes is still late getting into proper position, especially handling stunts ( linemen next to him may also be a factor). If the Giants can trust Scherff as a pass blocker, he immediately improves our running game at tackle or guard.

the Giants as a second round pick. For Peat to go at pick 9 he needs to be much better than Beatty in my opinion. If the Giants took an offensive lineman every year round one or two it would probably make me mad. However in the long run I think I would be gratefull for a great O-line.