And it isn't even close. I have looked at at least one full game as available as well as his highlights and combine drills of Peat, Collins, Scherff, DJ Humphries, and while I would give Scherff a wonderful grade as an OG, I think Peat is easily the best OT of the bunch, and the only one I imagine the giants taking at 9.
I really don't get the love for Collins, his footwork is mediocre at best, whereas Peat's feet are fantastic, and very polished.
Peat is only 21 years old, and if he commits to his craft and has the passion and drive to be the best, he could be a consistent pro bowl or even all pro OT IMO. That is what I question about him, his passion and commitment.
But while he has mediocre footwork, he has great feet. That might sound weird but watch him move and you see a very nimble and agile man. At the combine, he easily had the best feet of any OLineman there. He looked so much more fluid and natural in his movements in those combine drills than guys like Peat and Flowers.
So I think the footwork issue with Collins is easily something he can improve. It's not like he's a slug who can't move and has lazy footwork. He's just raw with his footwork but has the light feet necessary to improve his technique.
Peat has a higher ceiling as a LT than Collins. But you said it yourself, "passion and commitment". Do you really want a player whose heart you question? Do you really want a guy whose body is a mess and has stamina concerns? I wouldn't be 100% opposed to Peat at #9, but he's a pretty big risk since so much of his potential is tied into the development of his body.
Re the passion and commitment, I find it strange perhaps that he's one OT the Giants didn't spend extra time with.. Although they did send top FO to Stanford's pro day, right? Maybe there is no question for the Giants about Peat's character and drive?
I feel I don't know spit about the personalities of these guys compared to the scouts...
Every legit scouting report I've seen says the guy is an extremely hard worker and extremely dedicated to film study.
I think it honestly comes down between Peat and Flowers, and I see the logic behind both. Very different OTs, with big upside. In Flowers' case, some say playing through the knee injury hurt his stock because he started to have trouble with speed rushers.
Every legit scouting report I've seen says the guy is an extremely hard worker and extremely dedicated to film study.
Eric, I assume it is coming from his combine performance. The guy played many college games but his performance at the combine was worrisome. We don't know why he looked the way he did when doing one drill about every five minutes but it raised some eyebrows in a negative way. Just like some get on Gregory for failing a drug test people get on Peat. It is your biggest job interview you will probably ever have and you were not prepared for it. Couple that with him looking like an OL from the ~80s in terms of body type and I think that is why some say he doesn't work hard.
He's also way ahead of where Solder was, when he came out 4 years (or so, not checking) ago. Way, way ahead of either. Peat was the #1 HS recruit 3 years ago, according to some sources...
Re the passion and commitment, I find it strange perhaps that he's one OT the Giants didn't spend extra time with.. Although they did send top FO to Stanford's pro day, right? Maybe there is no question for the Giants about Peat's character and drive?
I feel I don't know spit about the personalities of these guys compared to the scouts...
Maybe "mess" was too strong. Peat certainly isn't an Andre Smith level "mess".
And as someone who has always felt that lower-body strength > upper body strength (squats would tell you so much more than the bench press at the combine) , I do see the potential in Peat's body.
But he has the type of body that could truly go either way. He has more "eat himself out the league" potential in him than any of the other 1st round OL prospects. But if he does get himself in great shape, he could be a stud.
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His upside is to be the best Giants' OT since Rosey Brown, or better. If they were hot for Solder at 20, they should be more hot for Peat at 9, IMO. Pugh kicks inside, immediately, in all likelihood if we draft Peat...
I think it honestly comes down between Peat and Flowers, and I see the logic behind both. Very different OTs, with big upside. In Flowers' case, some say playing through the knee injury hurt his stock because he started to have trouble with speed rushers.
I'd still probably take them Collins, Peat, and then Flowers, but I think it will be between Peat and Flowers. The Giants will take Flowers, unless Cooper, White, Fowler, or Beasley is available.
I think it's Peat or Flowers. Flowers is the darkhorse.
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Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot.
This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.
Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot.
This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.
Because Stanford OL get vastly overrated right after the NCAA season due to their system. And once scouts/coaches get to see them in person their warts come out. Jonathan Martin rise and fall. He was top 10, then mid first round and then nearly almost everyone mocked him to the Giants near the draft. And he fell to Miami in the 2nd round.
Yankey last year (smh). The beat continues.
Since the combine and 100,000 mock drafts, all the critics have him as not worthy of the 9 slot.
This may be true, just interesting to see how perception changes in a few short weeks.
Our own Dave (Sy'56) who gives us the Ourlads reports he writes went full circle on the OT prospects Peat, Collins, and Scherff - and I'm sure he looked at way more tape than any of us... at least me!
His final conclusion was that Peat is the best of the 3, just nudging out Scherff and Collins, and IIRC Dave also thought Peat was the most likely preference for the Giants...
Again please go back and look at Nate Solder college tape from 2011. Vs Cal if you will... Then find Stanford vs Cal tape from 2013 or 2014.
The Giants had supposedly targeted Solder, but the Pats snuk in front of the Gman slot to nab him at 17. And lotsa people here think Solder is great, even though he's never made a pro bowl so far as I can see, let alone been an all pro selection!
Relative to Solder at 17, Peat is a much better prospect even at 9 overall IMO... And Peat is 21 years old now and a true junior early draft entry, Solder was 23 years old and a red shirt senior - or two years developmentally advanced vs Peat.
I really like Parker at 9, but the "this guy and that guy aren't worth 9 overall" talk is BS, just talking heads parroting each other and the BBI "independent thinkers" following suit.
If THE PRO EVALUATORS knew so much so well about who was or wasn't worth a "#9" pick they wouldn't screw the pooch 50% of the time on 1st rounders...
Scherff if they want an OG...
Peat IMO is still the best OL value in this draft if the two main issues are physical conditioning and not spending more time on his feet, those seem like very small problems to solve. Look at the film look at his present size, foot work and growth potential then ask yourself who looks better at RT next year for the Giants. In addition there is no OG worthy of the #9 pick in this draft or most drafts.
Peat IMO is still the best OL value in this draft if the two main issues are physical conditioning and not spending more time on his feet, those seem like very small problems to solve. Look at the film look at his present size, foot work and growth potential then ask yourself who looks better at RT next year for the Giants. In addition there is no OG worthy of the #9 pick in this draft or most drafts.
The point about Peat being younger is significant. The Giants were very patient with Beatty. If the Giants are willing to be patient with Peat, he may turn out to be an ALL Pro OT.
I saw most of the Washington game and all of the Notre Dame game. I thought he was good in both and would not have a problem if he's the pick.
I'm not an OL expert by ANY stretch of the imagination but is it possible his frequent falls were because he mistimed his punch? A few times it looked like he punched early and lost balance because of it. Almost like overextending. Again, not an expert... just an observation for discussion.
OL could wind up the best value and also fills a need, given the WRs of interest figure to be gone, and the edge rushers have a lot of questions regarding 4-3 fit. NYG tends to look at positions like DT and RB in the second round and later, the S crop is weak, etc.