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NFT: New York Rangers @ Pittsburgh Penguins, Game 4, 7pm

arcarsenal : 4/22/2015 8:36 am
Very big opportunity tonight to take a commanding 3-1 lead and have a chance to close this out Friday night at home. This is where the Rangers need to just impose their fucking will and get it done. This Pens team doesn't have it in them to come back from down 3-1, IMO.

Don't care if we have to sweat out another 1 goal win, don't care if we beat them by 5.. just take care of business however necessary.

#LGR
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RE: RE: I do think Staal will get dealt in the offseason to clear space  
Anakim : 4/23/2015 11:37 am : link
In comment 12245367 SethFromAstoria said:
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And next year's pairings will be:

McDonagh---Girardi
Yandle---Klein
Skjei/Hunwick (I hope they re-sign him)/FA signing---Boyle


But we'll get to that in a few months!



dude...what??

Staal is fantastic. Hunwick is a very nice 7th defenseman. They aren't dealing Staal. You want to make a real financial bet on that?


Gentleman's bet. You're on. And I never said Staal wasn't fantastic. Financially, I think he's getting dealt in the offseason.
If rumors are true that Pittsburgh may be firing its GM and/or Coach  
MetsAreBack : 4/23/2015 11:38 am : link
McGuirre may just be angling for a job.
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arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 11:39 am : link
Staal is not getting dealt. He's a centerpiece of this core.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12245656 Deej said:
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Staal has a full NMC his first three years. They literally just gave him the deal a little over 3 months ago.



Not sure when we can make trades, but didnt Philly trade Carter and/or Richards after signing them to extensions with NTC/NMCs, but before they deals kicked in?

Im not saying Staal will be traded. Just saying it may be technically possible. What I would do is move McDonagh or Staal (probably the former) to RD and pair that guy with Yandle. I dont see how Yandle can be the #3 LD next season.


I'm not sure. I recall writers pointing out Girardi's no-trade kicked in immediately when he re-signed. Don't remember if Staal got the same.
Malkin  
RinR : 4/23/2015 12:39 pm : link
Why does he have to be hurt?

Since the Pens won the Cup in '09, he has 18 goals in 51 playoff games. Projects to 28 goals over a full season; exactly what he had this year.

Not exactly elite player numbers.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 12:43 pm : link
Video the Preds made to try and lure Hayes (old video, but I've never seen it before).
Youtube - ( New Window )
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 12:46 pm : link
Malkin is obviously missing a burst. It's not just about numbers.
RE: Malkin  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12245843 RinR said:
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Why does he have to be hurt?

Since the Pens won the Cup in '09, he has 18 goals in 51 playoff games. Projects to 28 goals over a full season; exactly what he had this year.

Not exactly elite player numbers.


He's gone 9 games in a row now without registering a point. Since March 14th, he's registered 2 assists. That's it. He missed 2 weeks due to injury and pretty clearly hasn't been right since he's come back.

This is a career 1.20 PPG, elite player we are talking about and he has a 36 point post-season on his resume.

He's hurt. He's not even getting shots on goal in this series. He has 5 in 4 games. He's playing at like 70% speed. Just watch him on his shifts and it's plain as day.
Music by Matchbox 20??  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 12:48 pm : link
No wonder he passed on Nashville.

It's funny seeing Stu Grimson looking so jovial and nonthreatening.
yep, it's not just the numbers  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 12:49 pm : link
He's clearly not playing at full speed. He looks like he's sleepwalking.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 12:56 pm : link
And he's averaged over a PPG in his playoff career, including his previous two (a sample of 100 games).
Right  
RinR : 4/23/2015 12:57 pm : link
He hasn't been himself over the last 5 post seasons.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 1:01 pm : link
He's averaged more than a point per game over his previous four postseasons cumulatively.

Incredibly stupid comment.
RE: Right  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12245886 RinR said:
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He hasn't been himself over the last 5 post seasons.


Well, aside from this being wrong as it is.. just look at his shot attempts. How many post seasons did the guy average just a tick over ONE shot attempt per game?

The answer is none. He had 40 in 13 games last year, 60 in 15 the year before, 26 in 6, etc.. he had over 100 SOG in the playoffs the year they won the cup.

Even a guy like Nash who struggles with playoff point production still gets it on net. He led the league in shots in the playoffs last year despite scoring just 3 times in 25 games.
RE: .....  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12245850 BrettNYG10 said:
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Video the Preds made to try and lure Hayes (old video, but I've never seen it before). Youtube - ( New Window )


Never seen it before either. Thanks for sharing.

Kinda funny how calm, cool and collected Stu Grimmson appears. Bi-Polar?
RE: RE: RE: ....  
Anakim : 4/23/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12245781 BrettNYG10 said:
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Staal has a full NMC his first three years. They literally just gave him the deal a little over 3 months ago.



Not sure when we can make trades, but didnt Philly trade Carter and/or Richards after signing them to extensions with NTC/NMCs, but before they deals kicked in?

Im not saying Staal will be traded. Just saying it may be technically possible. What I would do is move McDonagh or Staal (probably the former) to RD and pair that guy with Yandle. I dont see how Yandle can be the #3 LD next season.



I'm not sure. I recall writers pointing out Girardi's no-trade kicked in immediately when he re-signed. Don't remember if Staal got the same.


IDK, but I don't know how they're going to be able to re-sign Stepan and Hagelin, and then Kreider, Miller and Yandle down the line unless they unload some salary.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12245909 Giants2012 said:
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Video the Preds made to try and lure Hayes (old video, but I've never seen it before). Youtube - ( New Window )



Never seen it before either. Thanks for sharing.

Kinda funny how calm, cool and collected Stu Grimmson appears. Bi-Polar?


Apparently he was always a thoughtful, intelligent guy off the ice.
RE: If rumors are true that Pittsburgh may be firing its GM and/or Coach  
djm : 4/23/2015 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12245757 MetsAreBack said:
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McGuirre may just be angling for a job.


I tried calling into WFAN a few days ago because Beningo was going on and on about all this pressure on the Rangers and why he was scared of this playoff tourney. His reasoning for fear was the Rangers have more pressure on them than any other team and no one expects Pitt to win. Fucking horse shit. Every team has pressure on them. IN some way the Rangers may have less pressure than others because even if the Rangers disappoint in this postseason no one is getting fired. No one is getting cut in the off-season. Such a lazy and defeatist attitude from Beningo. He's so used to failure the guy will literally condemn one of his teams for being too good. I wanted to call in and cite that the Pitt organization is under immense pressure right now---but I thought otherwise and went on with wasting all day on BBI.
RE: RE: Right  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12245906 arcarsenal said:
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He hasn't been himself over the last 5 post seasons.



Well, aside from this being wrong as it is.. just look at his shot attempts. How many post seasons did the guy average just a tick over ONE shot attempt per game?

The answer is none. He had 40 in 13 games last year, 60 in 15 the year before, 26 in 6, etc.. he had over 100 SOG in the playoffs the year they won the cup.

Even a guy like Nash who struggles with playoff point production still gets it on net. He led the league in shots in the playoffs last year despite scoring just 3 times in 25 games.


But his shots are increasingly from the perimeter as the play gets tougher.
Yeah, the Kristofer Letang thing is annoying  
Anakim : 4/23/2015 2:19 pm : link
It sounds like Pierre is his lover. And also the OHL, CHL, WHL, shit.


I expect him to call Sindy "Poo Bear" or some shit like that
RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
Deej : 4/23/2015 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12245919 Anakim said:
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IDK, but I don't know how they're going to be able to re-sign Stepan and Hagelin, and then Kreider, Miller and Yandle down the line unless they unload some salary.


Boyle walking the season Yandle comes free plus probably one other $3-6 million guy coming off the roster does it; A lot will depend on the Loonie. I think Klein is the guy to trade, since I want his roster spot for McIlrath/Skjei/Allen/cheap vet #6/7 dman. But at least one of MSL, Hagelin, Yandle, Boyle (NMC), or Klein has got to come off the roster this offseason. Boyle is the only one of the NMC guys I think you could reasonably expect to waive, since you could convince him that he'd be a 6/7 dman here. Staal, DG, and Zucc took discounts to stay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
Anakim : 4/23/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12246059 Deej said:
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IDK, but I don't know how they're going to be able to re-sign Stepan and Hagelin, and then Kreider, Miller and Yandle down the line unless they unload some salary.



Boyle walking the season Yandle comes free plus probably one other $3-6 million guy coming off the roster does it; A lot will depend on the Loonie. I think Klein is the guy to trade, since I want his roster spot for McIlrath/Skjei/Allen/cheap vet #6/7 dman. But at least one of MSL, Hagelin, Yandle, Boyle (NMC), or Klein has got to come off the roster this offseason. Boyle is the only one of the NMC guys I think you could reasonably expect to waive, since you could convince him that he'd be a 6/7 dman here. Staal, DG, and Zucc took discounts to stay.


Klein is making 3 million per. That's extremely reasonable for a second-pairing RHD, which he is. I think it would be a mistake to trade him.

I'm sure they will try to trade Boyle, but I don't know how much a 40-year old D will net. The 4.5 M off the books will help us re-sign Yandle. We also have to sign Hagelin this offseason, and we have to extend Stepan, Kreider and Miller. Those are musts. Plus, knowing Sather, he's gonna want to make some signings. I mean Sather not doing anything during FA period is like Rosie O'Donnell at a buffet and not eating.

The most obvious way to free up money is to trade one of Staal or Girardi. Both will have great value around the league.
love both guys  
djm : 4/23/2015 4:51 pm : link
but in no way shape or form am I trading Staal. I'd just as soon trade Girardi if I had to choose.

I don't even want to think about that for 4-5 months.
Anak  
Deej : 4/23/2015 5:30 pm : link
What is your plan for the NMCs? Just ignore them?
Also, Klein  
Deej : 4/23/2015 5:32 pm : link
spent most of the season at the RD3, not RD2. And I recall he kind of struggled at RD2 paired with Staal.
RE: Anak  
MookGiants : 4/23/2015 5:35 pm : link
In comment 12246390 Deej said:
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What is your plan for the NMCs? Just ignore them?


Ha ha
I Don't think  
SethFromAstoria : 4/23/2015 6:38 pm : link
i can recall a time this season when Klein was even average. He had a breakout year and was great in nearly every game. He's one of the team's most consistent and impact players this year
Not to mention on a performance vs price basis  
bigbluehoya : 4/23/2015 7:04 pm : link
He's one of the best contracts on the whole team.

It would need to be a good haul. Not the kind of player I'm trading away just to make some space.
Seth  
Deej : 4/23/2015 7:09 pm : link
He was a disaster defensively early in the season when Boyle got hurt and he was FORCED to play 2nd pair minutes. I cant hunt for every bad game writeup, but using Blueshirt Banter as my way back machine:

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I like Kevin Klein as a third pairing defenseman. Last night should be all the proof you need, however, that he is absolutely not a second pairing defenseman. My word did that pairing (Marc Staal on the other side) look bad. I'm not sure how much blame I'm able to assess to Staal, since on at least two of the Blue Jackets goals it was Klein who was out of position and unable to contain the forward.

10/12

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While Kostka was the main problem, the entire defense looks bad. Ryan McDonagh has looked bad the past two games. Dan Girardi has been shaky. Marc Staal -- who I'm giving a minor pass because of his linemates -- hasn't been solid. Kevin Klein has imploded on the second pairing. A lot of this can be fixed with McDonagh and Girardi finding their game -- and Boyle will really help steady the top four and push Klein back to the third pairing where he belongs -- but right now it's bad.

10/15

If I recall correctly, then the goals for him started pouring in, and we kind of forgot about the defensive problems (which persisted on and off until Boyle returned). Once Boyle was back, he and Klein split the 2nd pair role and Klein's defensive game really settled down.
RE: RE: I'm probably in the minority  
chopperhatch : 4/23/2015 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12245732 Kyle in NY said:
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but I like Pierre.

He was down on both teams last night, definitely wasn't one sided against the Rangers. The game was pretty damn ugly for most of it



He can get annoying at times but I don't mind him. The guy obviously knows a ton of hockey info


I used to cut him some slack, but he's a dickhead and he superfluously lauded everything the Pens were doing last night. Even when the Rangers turned it on in the 3rd.
It pains me that I went to the same HS  
bigbluehoya : 4/23/2015 7:13 pm : link
As Pierre (many years apart). What a douche.
I dunno...  
SethFromAstoria : 4/23/2015 7:22 pm : link
he always looked good to me. In both zones.
OHHHH  
Sonic Youth : 4/23/2015 7:45 pm : link
your boy just got a free ticket to tomorrows game! My co-worker is a model, some guy is taking her and her friend out (ostensibly to try and get in her pants), and the fourth person in the party bailed so she invited me to come.

super stoked on this.

you better get her liquored up  
B in ALB : 4/23/2015 8:27 pm : link
and get real with some stinky pinky after Nasher scores tomorrow night. Then. And only then. Will we be impressed.
RE: I dunno...  
Deej : 4/23/2015 9:09 pm : link
In comment 12246476 SethFromAstoria said:
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he always looked good to me. In both zones.


I actually dont think he's been all that good defensively at any point this season. Steady at his best -- but that is when he could get a lot of time as a RD3 with fairly sheltered minutes. When he was forced to play 20 minutes as a RD3 early in the season, it was not good. You may just not be remembering that because he quickly became a folk hero with the wrist shot.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 9:15 pm : link
I recall Klein struggling a bit when on the second pair, but I thought he was a top four dman for the Preds before. Could've just been a bad stretch.

And his offense this year is unlikely to be replicated.
Detroit in the East sure is interesting  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:24 pm : link
Might not take long to hate them.
RE: ....  
Deej : 4/23/2015 9:28 pm : link
In comment 12246676 BrettNYG10 said:
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I recall Klein struggling a bit when on the second pair, but I thought he was a top four dman for the Preds before. Could've just been a bad stretch.

And his offense this year is unlikely to be replicated.


Agree on his offense. Klein was a RD2 in Nashville two seasons ago, when he was 28. Last year Seth Jones was their RD2, so Klein fell to RD3, though I wouldnt read a ton into that. It was a lost season in Nashville due to the Rinne injury, and maybe Jones would have been the RD3 on a competitive team. Im not looking to run Klein out of town -- just thinking that he is relatively expendable. Sather is good trader. I think Klein + Talbot in a package to EDM makes a lot of sense.

Meanwhile, a few of our Islander friends are really embarrassing themselves on their thread:

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The 12th Man : 9:15 pm : link : reply
To take 1 or 2 of their guys out


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at this point
Mike in NY : 9:18 pm : link : reply
Let someone like Manbearpig take a run at Backstrom or Ovechkin


I'd like to think they're just kidding.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 9:33 pm : link
I definitely see your point. I like Klein, but his peak year may yield an attractive return. Thanks for the background info from his time in Nashville.

Islander fans are idiots. Dumbest fan base in sports.
Goring advocating take some players out  
schabadoo : 4/23/2015 9:33 pm : link
'A nice two-hander, the games over anyway'.

Surprised we haven't seen anything.
Butch Goring is probably the worst analyst of all-time.  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 9:34 pm : link
I've never heard someone whine as much as he does. Everything the Capitals do is some egregious, uncalled penalty that is taking advantage of the rules or bending the rules.. it's just unbearable.

And for what it's worth, Michelletti is annoying in his own right so it's not even some anti-Islander bias. The guy is just fucking terrible and unlistenable. He's such a crybaby.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 9:35 pm : link
Goring sounds drunk, which only exacerbates how terrible he is.

Joe is a master of providing zero insight ever.
Goring is a blithering idiot  
redbeard : 4/23/2015 9:40 pm : link
Not surprising that the islanders would have a D level guy like him on their broadcast
Btw, is the Isles radio broadcast on Hofstra's college station?  
schabadoo : 4/23/2015 9:45 pm : link
The broadcasters listed were Chris King and 2 college students. That's amazing if true.
worst of all time ?  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 9:48 pm : link
You haven't had to endure Craig Laughlin for over two goddamned decades now.
RE: ....  
pganut : 4/23/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12246717
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Islander fans are idiots. Dumbest fan base in sports.

Well, not those of us that are part of the Illuminati. Besides, you have seen Eagles, Cowboys, Skins and Saints fans, no?

And I don't believe in willfully inflicting injury. But when there's a battle in the corner, near the crease, or in a situation where you can lay a clean and legal check, you have to set the tone (and the Isles did not tonight).

Greg, I also have long said the same..."Locker" has taken a few too many elbows to the "coconut" and should probably shut 'er down.
yup  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 10:04 pm : link
How can a man with a voice that sounds like that have a job on television for so long?
Beninati's Bombastic Bellicosity  
pganut : 4/23/2015 10:06 pm : link
(How's that for alliteration?)

Overcomes the concussion-addled singsong tones of Locker.
Thankfully I've been able to avoid Laughlin.  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 10:10 pm : link
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RE: worst of all time ?  
hudson : 4/24/2015 7:28 am : link
In comment 12246754 Greg from LI said:
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You haven't had to endure Craig Laughlin for over two goddamned decades now.

He's gotten worse the past few seasons. He now never shuts up, and is so so much a whinner.
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