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to the Lakers for the max, do it!

if it is a 1 year deal with a second year option prove it type of deal...

I think Monroe is coming here for the 4 year max so that is 15 million

If you could convince Rondo to take a deal starting around 7 million...Give him an option and then if he plays well you sign him long term when the cap goes way up...

That leaves you with around 7 million to spend...Maybe convince Wes Mathews to do the same?

Rondo Mathews Melo Monroe Towns?

Like i said though only take Rondo if he is coming on a discount, I do think Rondo and Melo want to play together...

on Rondo at any amount of money

takes 7 mill though. The risk would be too high for him. A bad year or another knee injury and he is screwed cause he took a one year deal.

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takes 7 mill though. The risk would be too high for him. A bad year or another knee injury and he is screwed cause he took a one year deal.

No 1 year with an opt out so it would be 2 year deal...

basically you tell him look you have a great year and you can cash in when the cap goes way up or if you get hurt you have the opt in to protect you

but it would only be like 2/14.5 or something like that. Even coming off an ehh season i bet he can easily get a 4/40 deal from someone.

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but it would only be like 2/14.5 or something like that. Even coming off an ehh season i bet he can easily get a 4/40 deal from someone.

Oh i am sure he can, and if he does good luck to that team...

and play with Kobe. You will have a hard time finding any Laker fan that wants him though.

As for him signing a short deal, with the cap about to rise I'd expect a ton of players to either sign a one year deal and bank on themselves, or sign long term deals with an opt out after one of two years.

lol.

an awful fit for the triangle and a headcase.

Major pass.

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lol.

and thats fine like i said, that would be the only way i would like it...

If i am a GM i do not touch him for more than that

clearly a tool. Guy was always mentioned as available even when he was a clear top 3-4 player at his position.

but he just doesn't seem to be able to do the things that he used to do, which was enough to make it worth putting up with him I guess.

I'm going to shit if the Lakers blow their next few years on a Rondo-Love big payday package this offseason.

no short term fixes for the Knicks..

Jackson also said he will keep options open on the trade offers for the pick. A lot depends on where is. If it's 5th they may be more open to dealing it...


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knock on djm but I am surprised Jackson saying he'd be open to dealing the pick is garnering such headlines.

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no short term fixes for the Knicks.. Jackson also said he will keep options open on the trade offers for the pick. A lot depends on where is. If it's 5th they may be more open to dealing it... Jackson talks - ( New Window )

I think if they are 3 and Towns and Okafor are off the board, i could see Phil trading the pick...

Phil made it sound like he wants to go big in the draft but who knows...

He also mentioned getting a player that can slash and can drive to the basket.

I think Phil wants Towns based on what he has said the past month or so

I know with some level of NBA connections says Wes Mathews is a guy Phil 100% plans to target. Fully on the Knicks radar.

Would like to move the pick for Cousins. (Hopefully with some sort of trade exception). And still have money to go shopping with some flexibility.

In comment 12243969 DanMetroMan said:

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I know with some level of NBA connections says Wes Mathews is a guy Phil 100% plans to target. Fully on the Knicks radar.

I would really like this, knicks need a SG badly, well they need a lot badly but SG has been their biggest weakness,

When you have to continually play 2 PGs you have no SGs

flat out said "I think Matthews will be a Knick, Phil covets him".

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Would like to move the pick for Cousins. (Hopefully with some sort of trade exception). And still have money to go shopping with some flexibility.

Only way to to still have some flexibility is to somehow get rid of Calderon and THJR...

Trade them you save 8 million

Then trade the pick for cousins...that is technically around 12 million going out...

So really you would only be taking on around 1 million...

So instead of the pick and Melo, you would have Melo and Cousins with around 28 million to spend on free agents...

In comment 12243980 DanMetroMan said:

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flat out said "I think Matthews will be a Knick, Phil covets him".

As long as he can get healthy he would be a great fit...

My dream scenario at the start of the season was adding Mathews and Aldridge to Melo...

I thought if you could pry Mathews MAYBE he could talk Aldridge into joining him...

before the injury was Mathews and Monroe along with the pick. It would eat up all our money and we woudl have to fill the bench with min guys but:

Calderon
Mathews
Melo
Monroe
Towns (or a vet center with towns off the bench)

is a good team and monroe and mathews are still in their prime so they should be longterm pieces as well. Now the injury worries me since you will be paying a guy pretty good money before he even gets back on the court.

That injury though......

I didnt think the Blazers were going to bring him back because of all the players they have to pay....

Batum, Aldridge and Lillard are all getting big contracts in this off season or next..

Plus Lopez is a free agent as well and he has been good next to Aldridge...

you root for the guy
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A first round loss this year and I think they'll realize that the path to the Finals is a hell of a lot easier in the weak Eastern Conference. Matthews, Lopez, Aldridge, Afflalo - go raid that team, Phil!

not a sexy duo but Matthews + Lopez would be a nice little combo to add.

For all you fans who beat the drum that Melo is a selfish, me-first ballplayer, just pray Rondo doesn't end up here. Then you'll really learn the meaning of that label.

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not a sexy duo but Matthews + Lopez would be a nice little combo to add.

That would probably leave around 7 million to spend also...

I still think Calderon and Hardaway JR get moved before July 1st

In comment 12243958 DanMetroMan said:

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knock on djm but I am surprised Jackson saying he'd be open to dealing the pick is garnering such headlines.

No knock at all...i agree it wasn't groundbreaking but the entire article is pretty interesting. Mainly the part where Jax says he's in no rush..

I think the Knicks are in good patient hands. Just hope the moves they make pan out. The turnaround doesn't have to take place overnight, but it appears while Jackson is not into quick fixes he does expect big steps to be made and soon.

In comment 12244005 djm said:

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In comment 12243958 DanMetroMan said: Quote: knock on djm but I am surprised Jackson saying he'd be open to dealing the pick is garnering such headlines. No knock at all...i agree it wasn't groundbreaking but the entire article is pretty interesting. Mainly the part where Jax says he's in no rush.. I think the Knicks are in good patient hands. Just hope the moves they make pan out. The turnaround doesn't have to take place overnight, but it appears while Jackson is not into quick fixes he does expect big steps to be made and soon.

I merely meant... shouldn't Jackson leave all options open? It's not as if we have the guaranteed #1 overall pick and Tim Duncan ready to join the Knicks.

I'm still not sold on the triangle being the savior for our team, given that niether prime Michael and Scottie nor prime Kobe and Shaq are walking through the door. But at least the Knicks seem to be sticking to a plan and in for a penny,...

It is really hard to project who the Knicks are going to bring in without knowing when the Knicks will pick and who they will take.

I just hope whichever big free agents they can get, that they are young players because no matter who we draft, we are still years away.

and I would be shocked if Jackson went after him unless he was willing to sign a 1 year deal. I would only entertain trading their 1st round pick if they end up with pick 5 and miss out on Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, and Russell.

PG: Reggie Jackson via FA, Calderon, Galloway

SG: Hardaway, Shved, Tyler Harvey (via acquired 2nd rounder)

SF: Melo, Early, Antetakoumbo

PF: Monroe via FA, Brandon Wright via FA, Amundson

C: Towns via # 1, Jason Smith or equivalent

Is a scrub who can't shoot.

is to have enough money to sign Durant if he hits free agency next year. I think the Knicks will come away with Monroe and a player like Matthews as long as there is enough cap space for the following free agency period. This is not just a 1 year rebuild.

he absolutely should leave his options open.

I am more or less against trading the pick but i'd listen to offers and trade the pick if it was too good to pass up.

I'm definitely excited about the next few months of the off-season. This has really never happened before..cap room, draft pick...should be fun

is gonna be hilarious next season. The two most miserable, ornery pricks in the league leading a bunch of scrubs.

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is gonna be hilarious next season. The two most miserable, ornery pricks in the league leading a bunch of scrubs.

I hope the Lakers sign Rondo and Love to long term max deals. That would be some entertaining reality tv.

In comment 12244028 Jay on the Island said:

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is to have enough money to sign Durant if he hits free agency next year. I think the Knicks will come away with Monroe and a player like Matthews as long as there is enough cap space for the following free agency period. This is not just a 1 year rebuild.

Knicks will have at least 23 million to spend next year even if they use all of their cap space...

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PG: Reggie Jackson via FA, Calderon, Galloway SG: Hardaway, Shved, Tyler Harvey (via acquired 2nd rounder) SF: Melo, Early, Antetakoumbo PF: Monroe via FA, Brandon Wright via FA, Amundson C: Towns via # 1, Jason Smith or equivalent

That is an awful back court...If Hardaway is starting this team is in trouble...

I want no part of Jackson and i dont think your getting him either...

You will have to max out Jackson and Monroe to get them, that is all your cap space..

which is why you really don't want to sit on any cap space unless no one is worth the loot this offseason. If you see a guy you like, get him. Building a team with backbone is more important than saving pennies for a rainy day.

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I'm definitely excited about the next few months of the off-season. This has really never happened before..cap room, draft pick...should be fun

I agree, it should be a fun off season...

In comment 12244065 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12244028 Jay on the Island said: Quote: is to have enough money to sign Durant if he hits free agency next year. I think the Knicks will come away with Monroe and a player like Matthews as long as there is enough cap space for the following free agency period. This is not just a 1 year rebuild. Knicks will have at least 23 million to spend next year even if they use all of their cap space...

And close to another 20 depending on what they add next year

with the Knicks NOT getting Towns. First off, the Knicks may not even like Towns which while unlikely is a possibility. Second and more troubling is that the Knicks will probably need to win the lottery and that's just not likely.

There is probably a less than a 20% of the Knicks getting Towns even if they like him.

He's turning 29 next season and is coming back from a serious injury. How much value are you getting from him?

If the plan is to sign Durant next year and sign Monroe this year then why draft a big. That puts melo at the 4 and monroe at the 5. I would take mudiay

fits be damned..I don't care about the fits. Towns is a perfect fit for any team let alone a team like the Knicks that desperately need a presence in the paint, but the odds of Towns being drafted by the Knicks are well under 20%.

Fans need to make peace with that. I can just see BBI melting down when the Knicks end up picking 4th and Towns goes 2nd.

I can't even hope for lottery luck. I refuse to. I just want a good player.

In comment 12244098 melojeteli4 said:

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If the plan is to sign Durant next year and sign Monroe this year then why draft a big. That puts melo at the 4 and monroe at the 5. I would take mudiay

You can not play Melo at the 4 and Monroe at the 5 that would be Horrid defensively...

He's going to be a fine player, make a few all-star teams, and play a well-rounded game, but nothing about him screams "Superstar!"

and rendered bitter by the lottery process. I think we're a little too caught up in it.

Dan mentioned a while back that picking #1 overall and ending up with a Sheed-caliber player would be a disappointment, and I think Towns is going to be that kind of player.

Minus the ejections, of course.

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He's turning 29 next season and is coming back from a serious injury. How much value are you getting from him?

Before injury he was probably looking at a 4 year deal starting around 11 million....

I could see him taking a 2 year deal maybe starting at 8 opt out after 1...But again who knows there could be a team still willing to give him 11 million..you just never know

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and rendered bitter by the lottery process. I think we're a little too caught up in it.

The good thing about this draft it is starting to look like a deep draft....

It is starting to look like a clear top 5 with Winslow starting to rise...

that much cap space two years in a row?

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that much cap space two years in a row?

The cap is supposed to jump to 90 million next year...

then 108 the following year

I thought the European Big might crack the top 4?

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I thought the European Big might crack the top 4?

I think there is a consensus top 4, Towns Okafor Mudiay Russell..I dont think anyone will crack the top 4

should be very intriguing this year.

- Does Towns jump off the page athletically more than he appears to in-game?

-Does Okafor look like someone who can improve defensively more than WE think when you see him up close?

- Mudiay could sky rocket with good workouts (as high as #2 overall for sure)

-Can Porzingis show himself to be a special talent worth gambling on?

-Is Winslow a potential Leonard type? or a role player?

I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.

He's just not that kind of athlete. He's a long strider type of athlete. He's not a quick twitch type of guy. And that's fine. He's still going to go #1.

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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.

Problem with the Euro is he's seemingly at LEAST 2 years from having impact. He looks about as thin as I can recall seeing a player be at this stage. Are the Knicks willing to wait for maybe 3 years before the guy is making a difference?

In comment 12244156 DanMetroMan said:

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-Is Winslow a potential Leonard type? or a role player?

This is the interesting one, this is a copy cat league and it seems the new one is finding another Butler or Leonard...

If Winslow shows in workouts he can be that type of player he is going to jump into the top 4...

Winslow it seems is the hot name right now

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He's just not that kind of athlete. He's a long strider type of athlete. He's not a quick twitch type of guy. And that's fine. He's still going to go #1.

He might "surprise" you with him being more athletic than people think. His shot might be more impressive etc. He's a lock #1 either way. Doesn't really mean he's the clear best talent though.

In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:

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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.

I personally dont like russell i am jut going by what i read and what i read is that is the top 4...

Mudiay is interesting, there are people that love him and people that dont want to touch him...

The problem with Porzingas like Dan said is he may be 2 or 3 years away, so that may scare some teams off, i think it will scare the Knicks off

Can he play the 2? If he can prove he can play the 2 that may change some people's minds about him as well..

I think it's a weak top of the draft. I know we haven't had a top pick for years but I'd rather trade for a proven player (assuming we could still have CAP flexibility which I'm not an expert) then to draft one. But in Phil we Trust.

he is only 6'6. If he cant play the two that will hurt his stock. Assuming he can play the 2 ive actually moved him ahead of russell in my personal rankings (that mean absolutely nothing, ha).

In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:

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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.

What aren't you sure about with Ronnie Mund?

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In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said: Quote: I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet. What aren't you sure about with Ronnie Mund?

Porzingis can do some amazing things with Candy Cane's

- 1st overall pick
- Jose Calderon traded for a bag of wet sand

according to Woj

Brooks was an awful HC even when they were a great team.

why Reggie Jackson isn't a target people are in favor of.

Granted he's a RFA but for a team that has plenty invested in their PG (injury or not, referring to Jennings).

Jackson is a sensational athlete who was stuck behind Westbrook. It was clear he'd light it up once given time and he has.

He also has a great relationship with Fisher. Give me Jackson and Hardaway over the Achilles twins of Calderon and Matthews any day.

Especially when the NHL lottery was this past Saturday

if you would rather have Hardaway than Mathews than i do not know what to tell you, injury or not give me matthews every day of week...

I hope Hardaway is off this team let a lone the starting SG...

If your starting backcourt is Jackson and Hardaway along with Melo you better have 3 balls to play with...

then Schved, Galloway etc to combine efforts at the 2 spot.

You can't fix all positions on this team in one offseason. But getting some viable BIGS and a PG is more critical than a SG, especially one like Matthews (where there is a major injury concerns right off the bat).

this offense does not rely on a traditional PG so why is it more critical? Please explain that to me...

Towns is a superstar player for the Knicks in a few years I hope Greg is continuing with his Knick hate... that's my dream scenario to come from this off-season. :-D

initiating the offense...

Give me a good shooting 2 guard who plays tough hard defense and is a leader over the chucking point guard...

Having subpar athletes at 1/2/3 (Calderon, Matthews, Melo) is a concern.

You mentioned needing 3 balls for gunners like Jackson, Melo etc. Jackson avg'd nearly 10 assists since arriving in Detroit

Galloway and Matthews back court over Jackson and Hardaway...

You know why? because both will play hard defensively every time down the court and both can knock down the 3, which is very important in the triangle offense

In comment 12244308 nygiants16 said:

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this offense does not rely on a traditional PG so why is it more critical? Please explain that to me...

Well... if you go by the trend that was occurring towards the end of the season then you can see why people want a PG. The Knicks weren't running a strict Triangle but were running more PnR and incorporating other facets into the offense. I think they realized that the Triangle of the Bulls and the Lakers isn't necessarily the way to go here and are willing to incorporate other things into the system.

lets fuck some hawwwwws!!

But at this point, we'd be absolute fools to ride or die with the triangle. The triangle can be part of our system, sure. But it shouldn't be the end all, be all. Kerr incorporates some of the triangle in his system, but he's not running a pure triangle system.

its critical on D. You can't defend PGs in this league w a guy like Calderon.

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Having subpar athletes at 1/2/3 (Calderon, Matthews, Melo) is a concern. You mentioned needing 3 balls for gunners like Jackson, Melo etc. Jackson avg'd nearly 10 assists since arriving in Detroit

Who said anything about Calderon?

Like i said give me Galloway and Matthews back court...

Yes jackson averaged 17 and 9..

He also did it on 43% shooting and 33% from 3...He also averaged 3.5 turnovers per game...

Like Calderon is the only other option...

but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend

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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend

So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5?

Stats shouldn't be the reason why you would dismiss Reggie Jackson. His stats over in Detroit mirror John Walls stats this season. The problem with Reggie Jackson is how horrific he is on defense. I don't think he's a winner.

44% from the field is pretty good for the field, as is a 3:1 assist to TO ratio

In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12244325 Pep22 said: Quote: but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max... so your line up is what then? Jackson hardaway Melo Monroe who is your starting 5?

If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor

Jackson/galloway
Hardaway/??
Melo/Early/ Thanasis
Monroe/Acy?/
Amundson??

Sure you could draft Towns and he would be slotted in at the starting 5 but like many have said you can not rely on getting Towns...

Even Jackson said yesterday the rookie they draft can not be counted on to come in right away...

Basically your relying on Towns to be your defensive force and make up for Hardaway, Melo and Monroe

In comment 12244340 Anakim said:

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In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12244325 Pep22 said: Quote: but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max... so your line up is what then? Jackson hardaway Melo Monroe who is your starting 5? If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor

Hahaha

Jackson
Hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Okafor

That lineup would give up 150 points per game

RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard
nygiants16 : 1:47 pm : link : reply

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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend


So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5? --> I'm not inclined to think RJax gets the MAX. Also, why are you discounting the fact that we get a high # 1 pick.

PG: Jax, Galloway, Calderon
SG: Hardaway, Shved
SF: Melo
PF: Monroe
C: KAT

This Jax scenario wouldn't work if we landed Mundiay or Russell.

In comment 12244343 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12244340 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12244325 Pep22 said: Quote: but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max... so your line up is what then? Jackson hardaway Melo Monroe who is your starting 5? If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor Hahaha Jackson Hardaway Melo Monroe Okafor That lineup would give up 150 points per game

Yeah, the big 3 would be scarily inefficient on defense

you can put together a balanced line up without the rookie first round pick...

Say you sign Monroe to the max 15 million

Bring in Matthews say round 8 or 9

that leaves you with another 7 million to bring in a defensive Big man to help out, Maybe Amir Johnson for 5, Then you stil have 2 million to play with and 2.5 million exception

Galloway/Calderon
Matthews/Ledo
Melo/early/thanasis
Monroe/Thomas
Johnson/amundson

That line up would at least stop some people and could still be a potent line up offensively..

better defensive potential than most guards in the league. That size and athletic ability combo is rare.

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RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard nygiants16 : 1:47 pm : link : reply In comment 12244325 Pep22 said: Quote: who is your starting 5? --> I'm not inclined to think RJax gets the MAX. Also, why are you discounting the fact that we get a high # 1 pick. PG: Jax, Galloway, Calderon SG: Hardaway, Shved SF: Melo PF: Monroe C: KAT This Jax scenario wouldn't work if we landed Mundiay or Russell.

Nobody is discounting the draft pick...like i said i am going by what Jackson said yesterday in his presser...

Also of course Jackson is getting the max, he is restricted and Detroit traded for him they are going to keep him...

Also your not keep shved in your scenario because you have no more money to spend..

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better defensive potential than most guards in the league. That size and athletic ability combo is rare.

Sure he has potential has not shown it...

your killing your flexibility...basically your stuck with either going 2 PGs or starting Hardaway and neither i would be excited about...

If your smart with the money you can get 3 starters on this team through free agency...

The draft pick no matter who it is most likely is not starting day 1...

Galloway/Calderon
Matthews/Ledo
Melo/early/thanasis
Monroe/Thomas
Johnson/amundson

That's a brutal lineup. That's a squad that lacks offensive and defensive ability in transition. Other than Melo, nobody can beat anybody off the dribble. And your backcourt consists of one guy who may not be effective in the next season (Matthews), another who is well past his prime (Calderon), another who may top out as a Kirk Hinrich type but likeable bench guard who we all like (Galloway) and a DLeaguer (Ledo).

Russell starts Day 1, Winslow starts Day 1. The Euro wouldn't and probably Mundiay wouldnt

because he can defend any backcourt player, score (18 a game), create (9.2 a game), rebound (4.7 a game)

In comment 12244370 Pep22 said:

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Galloway/Calderon Matthews/Ledo Melo/early/thanasis Monroe/Thomas Johnson/amundson That's a brutal lineup. That's a squad that lacks offensive and defensive ability in transition. Other than Melo, nobody can beat anybody off the dribble. And your backcourt consists of one guy who may not be effective in the next season (Matthews), another who is well past his prime (Calderon), another who may top out as a Kirk Hinrich type but likeable bench guard who we all like (Galloway) and a DLeaguer (Ledo).

Have you ever watched Phil jackson's teams? None of them had a PG who who created off the dribble, all of his PGS had 2 things in common, they played defense and shot the 3 ball well...

and Stop with the Jackson is a good defender, he has shown nothing in that regard...

He is an inconsistent 3 point shooter...

Look at JAcksons last 2 championships...

His starting line up was:

Fisher Kobe Ariza Gasol Bynum...

You notice something? they were a big slow plodding team...

They didnt get out in transition and out run people and Phil is not going to change his ways now...

He is going to build a big team and he has already said this multiple times that he is looking for big men...

He said yesterday that no matter who he drafts they will not start from day 1 and it i ssilly to expect that...

he also said he is going to build with defense...

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Okafor

Plays ZERO defense...Team would be outscored by 30 points a game

Jackson
Hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Towns

Has 1 defender on the team and Towns would foul out after 20 minutes because he would have people in the paint constantly..

but they had an ability to score in transition with a couple of those guys and had some versatility defending (because they were long/athletic) i.e. Pippen,. MJ, Kobe, Ariza, Odom

obviously, 3 of those players are all time greats and nothing like that is walking in the door now

RJax isn't Steve Nash, he's not a traditional PG, he's a scoring PG who can create, has a PER = 20 and is one of the unproven but sky high potential players in this league

to line up

the NBAs worst PG situation w/ Calderon and Galloway

a near 30 guy with a major injury that you want to pay 8mm, backed up by a DLeaguer at the SG

and think you've solved the problem?

Reggie Jackson or Carrol on the team. Giving big contracts to players that are not game changers is just how we got in this mess.

Spend the big money on 2-3 game changers and fill out the roster with capable defensive low cost guys. Think the Knicks are better off without Andrea B. as well. The guy is looking to shoot every shot and he's not that accurate outside of the paint. He's an immediate momentum buster.

My targets:

G. Monroe
J. Butler
D. Jordan
Dray. Green
W. Matthews (Last resort due to injury. Huge discount could come into play)
G. Dragic
N. Cole

over the next 4 of Dragic. Jax is headed for stardom.

In comment 12244400 Pep22 said:

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but they had an ability to score in transition with a couple of those guys and had some versatility defending (because they were long/athletic) i.e. Pippen,. MJ, Kobe, Ariza, Odom obviously, 3 of those players are all time greats and nothing like that is walking in the door now RJax isn't Steve Nash, he's not a traditional PG, he's a scoring PG who can create, has a PER = 20 and is one of the unproven but sky high potential players in this league

Ok i dont know how else to spell this out to you but i am going to try one more time...

jackson said over and over again he is building with Bigs and defense...

jackson gives you neither of those things...

It is going to cost you a max contract to get him which is absolutely stupid...

so basically your 2 FAs go against waht Phil has stated that he wanted...

Can Jackson score? sure he can but he scores in a way of the complete opposite in what Jackson wants from his PG...

His PG is never going to be a guy that creates off the dribble and gets in the lane, he wants a guy who can spce the floor, play tough defense, be a leader on the court and knock down the open 3...

Think Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Guys who played tough defense and weren't the most athletic guys but they played defense and knocked down the open shot...

Jackson is the complete opposite of those players...he is not going to play hard nosed defense, he is not going knock down the open 3 consistently...

Knicks do not want a player at the point that is going to bring the ball up and initiate the offense by running pick and rolls and driving into the lane...No the KNicks want a player that is going to get the ball into the wing and cut and move...Jackson is not that type of player...

Jackson is the exact opposite of what Phil wants...

In comment 12244405 Pep22 said:

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to line up the NBAs worst PG situation w/ Calderon and Galloway a near 30 guy with a major injury that you want to pay 8mm, backed up by a DLeaguer at the SG and think you've solved the problem?

Whos said anything about solving the problem? You think the problem is going to be solved after 1 season?

i am sorry but i would rather get players that play defense and you know they are going to give 100% every game...

Do you honestly thing Jackson and hardaway is a good back court???

In comment 12244411 Pep22 said:

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over the next 4 of Dragic. Jax is headed for stardom.

If jackson was headed to stardom, then why was OKC so quick to get Dion Waiters and Augustin and Ship Jackson out of town?

Jax's two prior stops featured MJ and Kobe. When you have that, you can afford PGs who are merely catch and shoot guys. Without that level of talent, you need some conventional approach i.e. have some threat from your back court.

a) They have a guy named Westbrook
b) RJax is a FA

In comment 12244426 Pep22 said:

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Jax's two prior stops featured MJ and Kobe. When you have that, you can afford PGs who are merely catch and shoot guys. Without that level of talent, you need some conventional approach i.e. have some threat from your back court.

Melo is not MJ or Kobe

But you dont think he can score like them? You cant put catch and shoot guys around Melo?

Didnt they do that 2 years ago and the Knicks won 54 games...

Nobody is. But I think its easier to patch together a SG rotation than a PG.

and let him go to work? he cant find the open man when he is doubled?

In comment 12244431 Pep22 said:

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Nobody is. But I think its easier to patch together a SG rotation than a PG.

Let's just agree to disagree then because i do not agree with that all...especially in this offense..

is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise.

In comment 12244439 Pep22 said:

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is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise.

How is Melo not going to age well? No part of his game is based on athleticism...

And history of not paying attention to his fitness? based on what?

we are going to disagree on everything so i am going go ahead and bow out of this debate...agree to disagree

oriented rather than athleticism

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when you have nyg-Pep????

In comment 12244477 EricNY33 said:

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when you have nyg-Pep????

Hahaha

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He'll grow in this offense and with Phil. He's starting to slash more which is good and he'll get to the foul line more as a result.

I don't like his standing at the 3 point line waiting for a shot but that was the culture when he got here. Galloway, THjr & Early are a very good starting point for our rebuilding.

highlight videos, he's impressive

In comment 12244447 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12244439 Pep22 said: Quote: is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise. How is Melo not going to age well? No part of his game is based on athleticism... And history of not paying attention to his fitness? based on what?

Melo has one of the quickest first steps for a guy his size in the league. He would say hes underrated athletically but I agree that his game will age very well.

step 1: Draft Frank Kaminsky
step 2: ????
step 3: Win NBA Championship

In comment 12243969 DanMetroMan said:

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I know with some level of NBA connections says Wes Mathews is a guy Phil 100% plans to target. Fully on the Knicks radar.

You should ask him if this has anything to do with recruiting Aldridge, if the Knicks think if they sign Matthews they can get Aldridge as well...

In comment 12245632 Jon in NYC said:

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step 1: Draft Frank Kaminsky step 2: ???? step 3: Win NBA Championship

lol Frank Da Tank.

I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever.

But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

to the NBA, then sure. Are you confident in that enough to put it in writing?

But he's not a top 5 pick.

If we have nothing established at the Center position. He doesn't want to be stuck playing a position where he's forced to do the dirty work.

In comment 12245675 #10* said:

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I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever. But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

You draft someone in the top 5 hoping they become a franchise player or a 2nd fiddle, not someone a team could use. Drafting someone based on stats is quite possibly the laziest thing to do.

He'll help a team, but he won't turn a team around.

Jason Thompson averaged 20.4 points, 12.1 rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game on .560 shooting. He went 12th.

Westbrook, on the other hand, averaged 12.7 points, 4.3 assists, and 3.9 rebounds per game on .465 shooting. He went 4th.

Was the NBA wrong?

I can probably use an example from every draft where the guy with the the nice college stats gets drafted after guys who didn't have the stats but had the potential. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. But when you're a top 5 pick, it's worth taking the risk.

In comment 12245675 #10* said:

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I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever. But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

You would draft him over towns Okafor Russell or Mudiay?

But the tank almost reminds me of a Rasheed Wallace type. His defense translating to the NBA level is kind of tough to predict though. But the kid can shoot and put the ball on the floor in the low post...seems like a good kid that wants it...I like him.

That my college NBA scouts eye is completely lost. I'm rarely right on these kids going from college hoops to pro game

In comment 12245704 djm said:

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But the tank almost reminds me of a Rasheed Wallace type. His defense translating to the NBA level is kind of tough to predict though. But the kid can shoot and put the ball on the floor in the low post...seems like a good kid that wants it...I like him.

I think that's a pretty good comparison. People keep saying Brad Miller but that's super lazy and just because they're both white.

Frank needs to get stronger but he has a role on an NBA team.

it's possible to find a worse comparison for Kaminsky than Rasheed Wallace.

Rasheed Wallace had insane talent.

Frank, not so much. I don't know, a bigger Tom Gugliotta maybe?

that becomes a good, solid NBA center for 10 years.

Brad Miller: played from 1998 to 2012. 2-time all star. Played for 5 different teams, but a good, solid NBA starter.

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dont blow me away. I admit I haven't seen alot on them but I haven't been blown away by what I have seen. Whether Mudiays game will translate to the Nba would be a big ? for me from what i've seen out of his passing.

What I see out of Frank is a kid that can knock down the 3 but can also take his man to the hole. He wasn't afraid of WCS or Towns. Dekker was a little M.I.A. in that game. When Wisconsin needed to get over the hump they kept feeding F.K. and he took out a team with multiple 1st rounders. I would take him over Winslow in a heartbeat.

As a fan, do you really want to look at this mug for 82+ games a year?

Please edit that picture out

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who says Mudiay is going to be a MAJOR star. I'm not going to say who he is but for anyone who knows me(well specifically Mook I'd say haha) knows my sources are real. Makes me want him- I'm not sold on any of the other guys being a major star, and the Knicks need the upside.

My ideal offseason ends up being like this after hearing this-

PG Mudiay
SG Danny Green(if the Spurs go after Gasol or LMA, they'll need to renounce him)
SF Melo
PF Milsap
C Robin Lopez

Dont think thats realistic(don't think the Milsap part is), but thats a pretty damn good team as of next year provided Mudiay at least is the ++ defender he can be in his rookie season while he grows into his game. It provides ideal spacing, some rim protection and excellent perimeter defense.

If we went with Monroe instead of Milsap, we'd def need a stretch 5, but Melo has also said he would be open to playing the 4 this season, and Monroe can play the 5, although with no rim protection. We can then try to find another 3 and D guy to play next to Green. We can also play Monroe at the 4 and try to find a 5 with rim protection and outside shooting, but I have no idea who that is on the FA market.

if the Knicks end up with Frank Kaminsky as their pick, That would be such a let down after the season we jus thad to witness...

He may have been able to drive in college but he is not going to be able to drive by guys in the NBA...

His niche will be playing that stretch 4 position....

He is definitely going to find a home somewhere but if i am picking top 5 i am not touching him...

He is going to be a good role player 6th or 7th man off the bench IMO

In comment 12245786 nygiants16 said:

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if the Knicks end up with Frank Kaminsky as their pick, That would be such a let down after the season we jus thad to witness... He may have been able to drive in college but he is not going to be able to drive by guys in the NBA... His niche will be playing that stretch 4 position.... He is definitely going to find a home somewhere but if i am picking top 5 i am not touching him... He is going to be a good role player 6th or 7th man off the bench IMO

Worry not, there is literally zero chance that he is the Knicks pick. Less then zero.

In comment 12245790 Sgrcts said:

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In comment 12245786 nygiants16 said: Quote: if the Knicks end up with Frank Kaminsky as their pick, That would be such a let down after the season we jus thad to witness... He may have been able to drive in college but he is not going to be able to drive by guys in the NBA... His niche will be playing that stretch 4 position.... He is definitely going to find a home somewhere but if i am picking top 5 i am not touching him... He is going to be a good role player 6th or 7th man off the bench IMO Worry not, there is literally zero chance that he is the Knicks pick. Less then zero.

oh i know i was just making a general statement..

As for Mudiay the more i read about him and the more video i watch the more i like him...he is still behind towns for me but i think he may be even with Okafor...

In comment 12245715 MookGiants said:

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it's possible to find a worse comparison for Kaminsky than Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed Wallace had insane talent.

Swing and a miss

In comment 12245786 nygiants16 said:

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if the Knicks end up with Frank Kaminsky as their pick, That would be such a let down after the season we jus thad to witness... He may have been able to drive in college but he is not going to be able to drive by guys in the NBA... His niche will be playing that stretch 4 position.... He is definitely going to find a home somewhere but if i am picking top 5 i am not touching him... He is going to be a good role player 6th or 7th man off the bench IMO

I think he could be a starter but he won't be a special player.

In comment 12245795 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12245790 Sgrcts said: Quote: In comment 12245786 nygiants16 said: Quote: if the Knicks end up with Frank Kaminsky as their pick, That would be such a let down after the season we jus thad to witness... He may have been able to drive in college but he is not going to be able to drive by guys in the NBA... His niche will be playing that stretch 4 position.... He is definitely going to find a home somewhere but if i am picking top 5 i am not touching him... He is going to be a good role player 6th or 7th man off the bench IMO Worry not, there is literally zero chance that he is the Knicks pick. Less then zero. oh i know i was just making a general statement.. As for Mudiay the more i read about him and the more video i watch the more i like him...he is still behind towns for me but i think he may be even with Okafor...

I like Mudiay. If we got him I'd be happy. I do think the top 3 are Towns, Okafor, and Mudiay. I am not as high on D'Angelo Russell as most of the NBA guys are. I just have a huge issue with a PG who has trouble breaking guys down off the dribble. I love his passing skills though.

They talk about his unusual maturity for his age, his court vision, athleticism, and unusual size given his physical skills.

From the linked, from Marbury:

[quote]“He’s got his own style — fast,’’ Marbury said. “He’s got a little bit of everybody’s game. What I like about him is he can jump and he’s big, too, a big guard, more of a tweener. He can’t really shoot that well right now, but he’s got point-guard skills, sees the floor really well. He’s definitely an NBA player. The question that teams want to know is if he’ll be impactful for the organization before they invest the top pick. [quote]

I think a number of teams are going to want to see what he looks like in pre-draft workouts.
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see him in anything but the HS All-Star Games last year. He is a tremendous talent. I am always wary of PG's who can't shoot because in today's NBA it's so important but that wouldn't deter me from taking him.

In comment 12245982 EricNY33 said:

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see him in anything but the HS All-Star Games last year. He is a tremendous talent. I am always wary of PG's who can't shoot because in today's NBA it's so important but that wouldn't deter me from taking him.

if you watch his DX video his shot supposedly got better last year and his form is not broken....just a matter how hard he works on it...

Russell seems like he is going to turn into Evan Turner with a better jump shot...Turner has trouble getting into the lane but was a very good passer in college and could fil up the stat sheet..a lot of people saw him as a big PG coming out of college...

I think Russell can be like that but a better jumper..

with Russell. IMO that's a major reach just because they both played at the same school.

I wasn't a fan of Turner as a prospect, he just seemed like a great college player whose skills didn't really translate to the pros. Russell looks like a guy who could fit in the pros easily. He's much better at creating his own shot and a natural passer.

He's more like a James Harden-type 2 that can handle the ball far more than than average 2 would.

In comment 12246026 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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with Russell. IMO that's a major reach just because they both played at the same school. I wasn't a fan of Turner as a prospect, he just seemed like a great college player whose skills didn't really translate to the pros. Russell looks like a guy who could fit in the pros easily. He's much better at creating his own shot and a natural passer.

I just dont think Russell will be able to create his own shot as easily in the NBA...

He has very good handles but i think he is going to settle for a lot of Jumpers in the NBA..

I just dont see the speed or athleticism in his game to help get by defenders in the NBA..

we see a Mudiay vs. Russell workout before the draft.

In comment 12246065 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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we see a Mudiay vs. Russell workout before the draft.

They most likely wont workout against each other...most of the time top prospects do not workout against other top prospects

I'd hope that he takes the workout tour more seriously. He has more to prove than the typical college star.

In comment 12246032 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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He's more like a James Harden-type 2 that can handle the ball far more than than average 2 would.

Which is fine, but he's not even as good an athlete as Harden is and in fact... if his position is a SG in the NBA I like him even less.

In comment 12246079 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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I'd hope that he takes the workout tour more seriously. He has more to prove than the typical college star.

I agree. Workouts are going to be so crucial for his draft positioning. If he does poorly he could drop.

In comment 12246026 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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with Russell. IMO that's a major reach just because they both played at the same school. I wasn't a fan of Turner as a prospect, he just seemed like a great college player whose skills didn't really translate to the pros. Russell looks like a guy who could fit in the pros easily. He's much better at creating his own shot and a natural passer.

The guy Russell reminds me of the most is Brandon Roy. They have a similar build, both very well rounded players offensively but with inconsistent jumpers. I think Roy was the better defender and was a bit more athletic, but when i watch Russell I definitely see a lot of Roy. Surprised nobody has made that comp yet.

In comment 12246273 Lopes1984 said:

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In comment 12246026 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: with Russell. IMO that's a major reach just because they both played at the same school. I wasn't a fan of Turner as a prospect, he just seemed like a great college player whose skills didn't really translate to the pros. Russell looks like a guy who could fit in the pros easily. He's much better at creating his own shot and a natural passer. The guy Russell reminds me of the most is Brandon Roy. They have a similar build, both very well rounded players offensively but with inconsistent jumpers. I think Roy was the better defender and was a bit more athletic, but when i watch Russell I definitely see a lot of Roy. Surprised nobody has made that comp yet.

because I don't see it. Brandon Roy, prior to his knee injury, was a very good athlete and had a quick first step. Russell has neither.

Was on the brink of becoming a superstar before his knee injuries....

I don't think Russell becomes that

In comment 12246306 nygiants16 said:

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Was on the brink of becoming a superstar before his knee injuries.... I don't think Russell becomes that

He was one of my favorite players too. Sucks what happened.

but why would Russell work out against him? No upside for Russell.

I am confident that Mudiay will bust his ass to prove to NBA teams that he's worth taking high, but he isn't getting help in that regard from his closest competitor.

Tape of Chad Ford's summary linked.
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