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DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 10:08 am

Goran Dragic hinted that he will likely return to the Miami Heat next season.
"I look forward to come back to have a great season with the Heat," Dragic said in a video released to Heat fans. It makes a lot of sense for him to return to Miami considering they can offer an extra year (Heat can offer five years while other teams are limited to four), but stranger things have happened in free agency. The Heat were decimated by injuries this season, but a potential lineup of Dragic, Dwyane Wade, Luol Deng, Chris Bosh and Hassan Whiteside would be pretty deadly in the weak Eastern Conference.
Source: South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Apr 22 - 9:57




According to Yahoo Sports, Rajon Rondo will not return to Dallas next season if Rick Carlisle is the head coach.
This should surprise no one, as it's pretty obvious that Rondo and Carlisle's relationship has been disastrous at best. Rondo played just 10 minutes in Tuesday's defeat in Houston, and Carlisle opted to go with Raymond Felton to close out the game. Yahoo Sports reported that the Lakers would have been Rondo's choice had he never been traded to Dallas, so it looks like a move to Los Angeles could be in the works for the mercurial guard. This story is only going to heat up if the Mavericks are eliminated, so be sure to check back for updates.
Source: Yahoo! Sports
Apr 22 - 9:35 A
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RE: agree about towns  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 11:51 am : link
In comment 12244098 melojeteli4 said:
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If the plan is to sign Durant next year and sign Monroe this year then why draft a big. That puts melo at the 4 and monroe at the 5. I would take mudiay


You can not play Melo at the 4 and Monroe at the 5 that would be Horrid defensively...

Towns isn't good enough to melt down over  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 11:52 am : link
He's going to be a fine player, make a few all-star teams, and play a well-rounded game, but nothing about him screams "Superstar!"
There are a lot of posters who are going to be deeply disappointed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/22/2015 11:55 am : link
and rendered bitter by the lottery process. I think we're a little too caught up in it.
To elaborate  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 11:55 am : link
Dan mentioned a while back that picking #1 overall and ending up with a Sheed-caliber player would be a disappointment, and I think Towns is going to be that kind of player.

Minus the ejections, of course.
RE: I like Wesley Matthews, but how much money would you give him?  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12244094 Greg from LI said:
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He's turning 29 next season and is coming back from a serious injury. How much value are you getting from him?


Before injury he was probably looking at a 4 year deal starting around 11 million....

I could see him taking a 2 year deal maybe starting at 8 opt out after 1...But again who knows there could be a team still willing to give him 11 million..you just never know
RE: There are a lot of posters who are going to be deeply disappointed  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12244114 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and rendered bitter by the lottery process. I think we're a little too caught up in it.


The good thing about this draft it is starting to look like a deep draft....

It is starting to look like a clear top 5 with Winslow starting to rise...
What is the path to signing Durant next year? how do the Knicks have  
BeerFridge : 4/22/2015 12:01 pm : link
that much cap space two years in a row?
RE: What is the path to signing Durant next year? how do the Knicks have  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12244134 BeerFridge said:
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that much cap space two years in a row?


The cap is supposed to jump to 90 million next year...

then 108 the following year
Winslow?  
Carl in CT : 4/22/2015 12:09 pm : link
I thought the European Big might crack the top 4?
RE: Winslow?  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12244147 Carl in CT said:
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I thought the European Big might crack the top 4?


I think there is a consensus top 4, Towns Okafor Mudiay Russell..I dont think anyone will crack the top 4
Workouts  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
should be very intriguing this year.

- Does Towns jump off the page athletically more than he appears to in-game?

-Does Okafor look like someone who can improve defensively more than WE think when you see him up close?

- Mudiay could sky rocket with good workouts (as high as #2 overall for sure)

-Can Porzingis show himself to be a special talent worth gambling on?

-Is Winslow a potential Leonard type? or a role player?
Nygiants16  
Carl in CT : 4/22/2015 12:25 pm : link
I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.
Karl Towns isn't going to jump off the page athletically  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 12:26 pm : link
He's just not that kind of athlete. He's a long strider type of athlete. He's not a quick twitch type of guy. And that's fine. He's still going to go #1.
RE: Nygiants16  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:
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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.


Problem with the Euro is he's seemingly at LEAST 2 years from having impact. He looks about as thin as I can recall seeing a player be at this stage. Are the Knicks willing to wait for maybe 3 years before the guy is making a difference?
RE: Workouts  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12244156 DanMetroMan said:
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-Is Winslow a potential Leonard type? or a role player?


This is the interesting one, this is a copy cat league and it seems the new one is finding another Butler or Leonard...

If Winslow shows in workouts he can be that type of player he is going to jump into the top 4...

Winslow it seems is the hot name right now
RE: Karl Towns isn't going to jump off the page athletically  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12244173 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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He's just not that kind of athlete. He's a long strider type of athlete. He's not a quick twitch type of guy. And that's fine. He's still going to go #1.


He might "surprise" you with him being more athletic than people think. His shot might be more impressive etc. He's a lock #1 either way. Doesn't really mean he's the clear best talent though.
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 12:29 pm : link
In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:
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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.


I personally dont like russell i am jut going by what i read and what i read is that is the top 4...

Mudiay is interesting, there are people that love him and people that dont want to touch him...

The problem with Porzingas like Dan said is he may be 2 or 3 years away, so that may scare some teams off, i think it will scare the Knicks off
anothe rthing with Winslow  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 12:34 pm : link
Can he play the 2? If he can prove he can play the 2 that may change some people's minds about him as well..
Truth?  
Carl in CT : 4/22/2015 12:36 pm : link
I think it's a weak top of the draft. I know we haven't had a top pick for years but I'd rather trade for a proven player (assuming we could still have CAP flexibility which I'm not an expert) then to draft one. But in Phil we Trust.
I think winslow has to be able to play the 2...  
Italianju : 4/22/2015 12:57 pm : link
he is only 6'6. If he cant play the two that will hurt his stock. Assuming he can play the 2 ive actually moved him ahead of russell in my personal rankings (that mean absolutely nothing, ha).
RE: Nygiants16  
MookGiants : 4/22/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:
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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.


What aren't you sure about with Ronnie Mund?
From Woj re: Rondo.  
GiantFilthy : 4/22/2015 1:06 pm : link
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Around Rondo, the energy is toxic. The Rockets' and Mavericks' interests intersect everywhere, including with the trade pursuit for Rondo in December. Rondo's agent never wanted Rondo in Houston, partly because it would've cost another client, Patrick Beverley, his job and payday to re-sign with the Rockets this summer. In the end, the Rockets kept bidding on Rondo to try to push the price higher for the Mavericks, which was ultimately unsuccessful.

When Rondo realized his run with the Celtics was over this year, he planned to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers in the summer, league sources told Yahoo Sports. He expected a maximum contract. Once Dallas made the trade, he was open to re-signing with the Mavericks – only there are no max contract offers for Rondo on the market. Not in Dallas, nor Los Angeles. He's played his way out of that payday – not just this year, but since that terrible ACL injury two years ago.

Everyone can insist that Rondo no longer cares, that he's stopped trying, and Game 2's debacle made a case for it. Rondo is the prince of moody, yes, but he's lost with these Mavericks – and they're lost with him. Nevertheless, Rondo hasn't given up on salvaging this season, nor his Mavericks career.

On Monday evening, Josh Smith stopped over to the Toyota Center to take extra shots. There was a ball bouncing inside the arena, and as he ducked inside, Smith found a familiar face getting up shots: Rajon Rondo.

Rondo always does the work, the preparation, but everyone could see again in Game 2 that his struggles with Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle remain an immense hurdle. On the court, there were those who believed Rondo's eight-second violation for failing to cross the midcourt line was an act of protest on the coach's calling of plays. Rondo played 10 minutes, picking up fouls for slapping at James Harden, and finally a technical to start the third quarter for shoving Harden out of sheer frustration.

Carlisle banished him to the bench, choosing Raymond Felton over Rondo in the fourth quarter. Everything's pushing Rondo closer to his inevitable free-agent fleeing to the Lakers this summer. As long as the coach is back, Rondo's gone, sources told Yahoo Sports. The parting could be mutual.

When Rondo and Carlisle had it out on the bench and again in the locker room in February, teammates heard Rondo ask him: "Why the [bleep] did you bring me here?"
RE: RE: Nygiants16  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12244239 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12244172 Carl in CT said:


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I keep hearing the 7 ft Euro is skilled and is more special then Pau at that age. With adding strength could be special. I'm sorry but I don't see that potential with Russell. Not sure on Mund yet.



What aren't you sure about with Ronnie Mund?


Porzingis can do some amazing things with Candy Cane's
My dream offseason...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/22/2015 1:15 pm : link
- 1st overall pick
- Jose Calderon traded for a bag of wet sand
Oklahoma City fires Brooks  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:29 pm : link
according to Woj
good move by OKC if true  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/22/2015 1:30 pm : link
Brooks was an awful HC even when they were a great team.
its unclear to me  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:33 pm : link
why Reggie Jackson isn't a target people are in favor of.

Granted he's a RFA but for a team that has plenty invested in their PG (injury or not, referring to Jennings).

Jackson is a sensational athlete who was stuck behind Westbrook. It was clear he'd light it up once given time and he has.

He also has a great relationship with Fisher. Give me Jackson and Hardaway over the Achilles twins of Calderon and Matthews any day.
Why is the lottery so far away!?!?  
Anakim : 4/22/2015 1:35 pm : link
Especially when the NHL lottery was this past Saturday
Hardaway is awful  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:35 pm : link
if you would rather have Hardaway than Mathews than i do not know what to tell you, injury or not give me matthews every day of week...

I hope Hardaway is off this team let a lone the starting SG...

If your starting backcourt is Jackson and Hardaway along with Melo you better have 3 balls to play with...
and if not Hardaway  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:36 pm : link
then Schved, Galloway etc to combine efforts at the 2 spot.

You can't fix all positions on this team in one offseason. But getting some viable BIGS and a PG is more critical than a SG, especially one like Matthews (where there is a major injury concerns right off the bat).
How is getting a PG more critical?  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:38 pm : link
this offense does not rely on a traditional PG so why is it more critical? Please explain that to me...
When  
EricNY33 : 4/22/2015 1:39 pm : link
Towns is a superstar player for the Knicks in a few years I hope Greg is continuing with his Knick hate... that's my dream scenario to come from this off-season. :-D
Half the time the PG is not even the one  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:39 pm : link
initiating the offense...

Give me a good shooting 2 guard who plays tough hard defense and is a leader over the chucking point guard...
You also need some athletes  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:41 pm : link
Having subpar athletes at 1/2/3 (Calderon, Matthews, Melo) is a concern.

You mentioned needing 3 balls for gunners like Jackson, Melo etc. Jackson avg'd nearly 10 assists since arriving in Detroit
I will take  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:41 pm : link
Galloway and Matthews back court over Jackson and Hardaway...

You know why? because both will play hard defensively every time down the court and both can knock down the 3, which is very important in the triangle offense
RE: How is getting a PG more critical?  
EricNY33 : 4/22/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12244308 nygiants16 said:
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this offense does not rely on a traditional PG so why is it more critical? Please explain that to me...


Well... if you go by the trend that was occurring towards the end of the season then you can see why people want a PG. The Knicks weren't running a strict Triangle but were running more PnR and incorporating other facets into the offense. I think they realized that the Triangle of the Bulls and the Lakers isn't necessarily the way to go here and are willing to incorporate other things into the system.
ronnie mund?  
djm : 4/22/2015 1:41 pm : link
lets fuck some hawwwwws!!
The triangle was a novel idea at first  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 1:43 pm : link
But at this point, we'd be absolute fools to ride or die with the triangle. The triangle can be part of our system, sure. But it shouldn't be the end all, be all. Kerr incorporates some of the triangle in his system, but he's not running a pure triangle system.
Despite the triangle not being PG centric  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:43 pm : link
its critical on D. You can't defend PGs in this league w a guy like Calderon.

RE: You also need some athletes  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12244311 Pep22 said:
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Having subpar athletes at 1/2/3 (Calderon, Matthews, Melo) is a concern.

You mentioned needing 3 balls for gunners like Jackson, Melo etc. Jackson avg'd nearly 10 assists since arriving in Detroit


Who said anything about Calderon?

Like i said give me Galloway and Matthews back court...

Yes jackson averaged 17 and 9..

He also did it on 43% shooting and 33% from 3...He also averaged 3.5 turnovers per game...
Stop saying it is Calderon or Jackson  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:44 pm : link
Like Calderon is the only other option...
I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:45 pm : link
but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend
RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12244325 Pep22 said:
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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend


So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5?
3.5 turnovers a game for 9.2 assists isn't really that bad  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/22/2015 1:48 pm : link
Stats shouldn't be the reason why you would dismiss Reggie Jackson. His stats over in Detroit mirror John Walls stats this season. The problem with Reggie Jackson is how horrific he is on defense. I don't think he's a winner.
RJ  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:48 pm : link
44% from the field is pretty good for the field, as is a 3:1 assist to TO ratio
RE: RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard  
Anakim : 4/22/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12244325 Pep22 said:


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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend



So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5?


If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor
This would be your team  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:49 pm : link
Jackson/galloway
Hardaway/??
Melo/Early/ Thanasis
Monroe/Acy?/
Amundson??

Sure you could draft Towns and he would be slotted in at the starting 5 but like many have said you can not rely on getting Towns...

Even Jackson said yesterday the rookie they draft can not be counted on to come in right away...

Basically your relying on Towns to be your defensive force and make up for Hardaway, Melo and Monroe
RE: RE: RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard  
nygiants16 : 4/22/2015 1:50 pm : link
In comment 12244340 Anakim said:
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In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 12244325 Pep22 said:


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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend



So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5?



If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor


Hahaha

Jackson
Hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Okafor

That lineup would give up 150 points per game
.  
Pep22 : 4/22/2015 1:52 pm : link
RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard
nygiants16 : 1:47 pm : link : reply

In comment 12244325 Pep22 said:

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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend


So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5? --> I'm not inclined to think RJax gets the MAX. Also, why are you discounting the fact that we get a high # 1 pick.

PG: Jax, Galloway, Calderon
SG: Hardaway, Shved
SF: Melo
PF: Monroe
C: KAT

This Jax scenario wouldn't work if we landed Mundiay or Russell.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard  
Anakim : 4/22/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12244343 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12244340 Anakim said:


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In comment 12244331 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 12244325 Pep22 said:


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but Jax is an elite athlete that can score, dish, defend



So ok, So Jackson gets the max and Monroe gets the max...

so your line up is what then?

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe

who is your starting 5?



If that's the lineup, presumably either Towns or Okafor



Hahaha

Jackson
Hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Okafor

That lineup would give up 150 points per game


Yeah, the big 3 would be scarily inefficient on defense
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