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you can put together a balanced line up without the rookie first round pick...

Say you sign Monroe to the max 15 million

Bring in Matthews say round 8 or 9

that leaves you with another 7 million to bring in a defensive Big man to help out, Maybe Amir Johnson for 5, Then you stil have 2 million to play with and 2.5 million exception

Galloway/Calderon
Matthews/Ledo
Melo/early/thanasis
Monroe/Thomas
Johnson/amundson

That line up would at least stop some people and could still be a potent line up offensively..

better defensive potential than most guards in the league. That size and athletic ability combo is rare.

In comment 12244349 Pep22 said:

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RE: I like Galloway as a 3rd/4th guard nygiants16 : 1:47 pm : link : reply In comment 12244325 Pep22 said: Quote: who is your starting 5? --> I'm not inclined to think RJax gets the MAX. Also, why are you discounting the fact that we get a high # 1 pick. PG: Jax, Galloway, Calderon SG: Hardaway, Shved SF: Melo PF: Monroe C: KAT This Jax scenario wouldn't work if we landed Mundiay or Russell.

Nobody is discounting the draft pick...like i said i am going by what Jackson said yesterday in his presser...

Also of course Jackson is getting the max, he is restricted and Detroit traded for him they are going to keep him...

Also your not keep shved in your scenario because you have no more money to spend..

In comment 12244358 Pep22 said:

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better defensive potential than most guards in the league. That size and athletic ability combo is rare.

Sure he has potential has not shown it...

your killing your flexibility...basically your stuck with either going 2 PGs or starting Hardaway and neither i would be excited about...

If your smart with the money you can get 3 starters on this team through free agency...

The draft pick no matter who it is most likely is not starting day 1...

Galloway/Calderon
Matthews/Ledo
Melo/early/thanasis
Monroe/Thomas
Johnson/amundson

That's a brutal lineup. That's a squad that lacks offensive and defensive ability in transition. Other than Melo, nobody can beat anybody off the dribble. And your backcourt consists of one guy who may not be effective in the next season (Matthews), another who is well past his prime (Calderon), another who may top out as a Kirk Hinrich type but likeable bench guard who we all like (Galloway) and a DLeaguer (Ledo).

Russell starts Day 1, Winslow starts Day 1. The Euro wouldn't and probably Mundiay wouldnt

because he can defend any backcourt player, score (18 a game), create (9.2 a game), rebound (4.7 a game)

In comment 12244370 Pep22 said:

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Galloway/Calderon Matthews/Ledo Melo/early/thanasis Monroe/Thomas Johnson/amundson That's a brutal lineup. That's a squad that lacks offensive and defensive ability in transition. Other than Melo, nobody can beat anybody off the dribble. And your backcourt consists of one guy who may not be effective in the next season (Matthews), another who is well past his prime (Calderon), another who may top out as a Kirk Hinrich type but likeable bench guard who we all like (Galloway) and a DLeaguer (Ledo).

Have you ever watched Phil jackson's teams? None of them had a PG who who created off the dribble, all of his PGS had 2 things in common, they played defense and shot the 3 ball well...

and Stop with the Jackson is a good defender, he has shown nothing in that regard...

He is an inconsistent 3 point shooter...

Look at JAcksons last 2 championships...

His starting line up was:

Fisher Kobe Ariza Gasol Bynum...

You notice something? they were a big slow plodding team...

They didnt get out in transition and out run people and Phil is not going to change his ways now...

He is going to build a big team and he has already said this multiple times that he is looking for big men...

He said yesterday that no matter who he drafts they will not start from day 1 and it i ssilly to expect that...

he also said he is going to build with defense...

Jackson
hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Okafor

Plays ZERO defense...Team would be outscored by 30 points a game

Jackson
Hardaway
Melo
Monroe
Towns

Has 1 defender on the team and Towns would foul out after 20 minutes because he would have people in the paint constantly..

but they had an ability to score in transition with a couple of those guys and had some versatility defending (because they were long/athletic) i.e. Pippen,. MJ, Kobe, Ariza, Odom

obviously, 3 of those players are all time greats and nothing like that is walking in the door now

RJax isn't Steve Nash, he's not a traditional PG, he's a scoring PG who can create, has a PER = 20 and is one of the unproven but sky high potential players in this league

to line up

the NBAs worst PG situation w/ Calderon and Galloway

a near 30 guy with a major injury that you want to pay 8mm, backed up by a DLeaguer at the SG

and think you've solved the problem?

Reggie Jackson or Carrol on the team. Giving big contracts to players that are not game changers is just how we got in this mess.

Spend the big money on 2-3 game changers and fill out the roster with capable defensive low cost guys. Think the Knicks are better off without Andrea B. as well. The guy is looking to shoot every shot and he's not that accurate outside of the paint. He's an immediate momentum buster.

My targets:

G. Monroe
J. Butler
D. Jordan
Dray. Green
W. Matthews (Last resort due to injury. Huge discount could come into play)
G. Dragic
N. Cole

over the next 4 of Dragic. Jax is headed for stardom.

In comment 12244400 Pep22 said:

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but they had an ability to score in transition with a couple of those guys and had some versatility defending (because they were long/athletic) i.e. Pippen,. MJ, Kobe, Ariza, Odom obviously, 3 of those players are all time greats and nothing like that is walking in the door now RJax isn't Steve Nash, he's not a traditional PG, he's a scoring PG who can create, has a PER = 20 and is one of the unproven but sky high potential players in this league

Ok i dont know how else to spell this out to you but i am going to try one more time...

jackson said over and over again he is building with Bigs and defense...

jackson gives you neither of those things...

It is going to cost you a max contract to get him which is absolutely stupid...

so basically your 2 FAs go against waht Phil has stated that he wanted...

Can Jackson score? sure he can but he scores in a way of the complete opposite in what Jackson wants from his PG...

His PG is never going to be a guy that creates off the dribble and gets in the lane, he wants a guy who can spce the floor, play tough defense, be a leader on the court and knock down the open 3...

Think Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Guys who played tough defense and weren't the most athletic guys but they played defense and knocked down the open shot...

Jackson is the complete opposite of those players...he is not going to play hard nosed defense, he is not going knock down the open 3 consistently...

Knicks do not want a player at the point that is going to bring the ball up and initiate the offense by running pick and rolls and driving into the lane...No the KNicks want a player that is going to get the ball into the wing and cut and move...Jackson is not that type of player...

Jackson is the exact opposite of what Phil wants...

In comment 12244405 Pep22 said:

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to line up the NBAs worst PG situation w/ Calderon and Galloway a near 30 guy with a major injury that you want to pay 8mm, backed up by a DLeaguer at the SG and think you've solved the problem?

Whos said anything about solving the problem? You think the problem is going to be solved after 1 season?

i am sorry but i would rather get players that play defense and you know they are going to give 100% every game...

Do you honestly thing Jackson and hardaway is a good back court???

In comment 12244411 Pep22 said:

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over the next 4 of Dragic. Jax is headed for stardom.

If jackson was headed to stardom, then why was OKC so quick to get Dion Waiters and Augustin and Ship Jackson out of town?

Jax's two prior stops featured MJ and Kobe. When you have that, you can afford PGs who are merely catch and shoot guys. Without that level of talent, you need some conventional approach i.e. have some threat from your back court.

a) They have a guy named Westbrook
b) RJax is a FA

In comment 12244426 Pep22 said:

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Jax's two prior stops featured MJ and Kobe. When you have that, you can afford PGs who are merely catch and shoot guys. Without that level of talent, you need some conventional approach i.e. have some threat from your back court.

Melo is not MJ or Kobe

But you dont think he can score like them? You cant put catch and shoot guys around Melo?

Didnt they do that 2 years ago and the Knicks won 54 games...

Nobody is. But I think its easier to patch together a SG rotation than a PG.

and let him go to work? he cant find the open man when he is doubled?

In comment 12244431 Pep22 said:

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Nobody is. But I think its easier to patch together a SG rotation than a PG.

Let's just agree to disagree then because i do not agree with that all...especially in this offense..

is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise.

In comment 12244439 Pep22 said:

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is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise.

How is Melo not going to age well? No part of his game is based on athleticism...

And history of not paying attention to his fitness? based on what?

we are going to disagree on everything so i am going go ahead and bow out of this debate...agree to disagree

oriented rather than athleticism

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when you have nyg-Pep????

In comment 12244477 EricNY33 said:

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when you have nyg-Pep????

Hahaha

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He'll grow in this offense and with Phil. He's starting to slash more which is good and he'll get to the foul line more as a result.

I don't like his standing at the 3 point line waiting for a shot but that was the culture when he got here. Galloway, THjr & Early are a very good starting point for our rebuilding.

highlight videos, he's impressive

In comment 12244447 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12244439 Pep22 said: Quote: is a year older, has an injury concern, isn't the type to age well (not a great history of attention to fitness). Loading the entire offense on his shoulders with standstill shooters isn't wise. How is Melo not going to age well? No part of his game is based on athleticism... And history of not paying attention to his fitness? based on what?

Melo has one of the quickest first steps for a guy his size in the league. He would say hes underrated athletically but I agree that his game will age very well.

step 1: Draft Frank Kaminsky
step 2: ????
step 3: Win NBA Championship

In comment 12243969 DanMetroMan said:

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I know with some level of NBA connections says Wes Mathews is a guy Phil 100% plans to target. Fully on the Knicks radar.

You should ask him if this has anything to do with recruiting Aldridge, if the Knicks think if they sign Matthews they can get Aldridge as well...

In comment 12245632 Jon in NYC said:

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step 1: Draft Frank Kaminsky step 2: ???? step 3: Win NBA Championship

lol Frank Da Tank.

I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever.

But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

to the NBA, then sure. Are you confident in that enough to put it in writing?

But he's not a top 5 pick.

If we have nothing established at the Center position. He doesn't want to be stuck playing a position where he's forced to do the dirty work.

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I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever. But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

You draft someone in the top 5 hoping they become a franchise player or a 2nd fiddle, not someone a team could use. Drafting someone based on stats is quite possibly the laziest thing to do.

He'll help a team, but he won't turn a team around.

Jason Thompson averaged 20.4 points, 12.1 rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game on .560 shooting. He went 12th.

Westbrook, on the other hand, averaged 12.7 points, 4.3 assists, and 3.9 rebounds per game on .465 shooting. He went 4th.

Was the NBA wrong?

I can probably use an example from every draft where the guy with the the nice college stats gets drafted after guys who didn't have the stats but had the potential. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. But when you're a top 5 pick, it's worth taking the risk.

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I'd really like to know why. The kid is only a 7 footer that avg. 19 pts on 8 rebounds and was the biggest reason imo Wisconsin took down one of the greatest college teams ever. But the Knicks couldn't use a guy like that. Nahhhh.

You would draft him over towns Okafor Russell or Mudiay?

But the tank almost reminds me of a Rasheed Wallace type. His defense translating to the NBA level is kind of tough to predict though. But the kid can shoot and put the ball on the floor in the low post...seems like a good kid that wants it...I like him.

That my college NBA scouts eye is completely lost. I'm rarely right on these kids going from college hoops to pro game

In comment 12245704 djm said:

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But the tank almost reminds me of a Rasheed Wallace type. His defense translating to the NBA level is kind of tough to predict though. But the kid can shoot and put the ball on the floor in the low post...seems like a good kid that wants it...I like him.

I think that's a pretty good comparison. People keep saying Brad Miller but that's super lazy and just because they're both white.

Frank needs to get stronger but he has a role on an NBA team.

it's possible to find a worse comparison for Kaminsky than Rasheed Wallace.

Rasheed Wallace had insane talent.

Frank, not so much. I don't know, a bigger Tom Gugliotta maybe?

that becomes a good, solid NBA center for 10 years.

Brad Miller: played from 1998 to 2012. 2-time all star. Played for 5 different teams, but a good, solid NBA starter.