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DanMetroMan : 4/22/2015 12:25 pm
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NYG
Danny Shelton
NT
Washington

The Giants want to get back to dominating their opponents up front and Shelton is by far the most dominant run-stuffer in this draft.

(Pass on Scherff, Parker, Gregory, Peat)
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people  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2015 12:29 pm : link
seem to be all over the place with Shelton...I've seen some who think he's even a 2nd-rounder (I don't agree with that).

But the big question is he merely a 2-down run stuffer? If so, he's probably not worth the #9 spot unless he is Ngata-like.
I remember...  
Strip-Sack : 4/22/2015 12:32 pm : link
similar things being said about Hankins but, like Shelton, he basically played every snap at Ohio. I don't think the Giants will select Shelton but I wouldn't say he's only a two down run stuffer.
one thing you have to be willing to do with a top 10 pick  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/22/2015 12:33 pm : link
is be willing to pay them the fifth year option money relative to their draft pick position - and if they are not at a premium position or a premium player -- that's probably not a good idea

That's why it's going to be a WR, OT, DE or Premium back fielder -- and like Eric says -- or a Suh/NGota type DT
Hard to see Sheldon  
BillT : 4/22/2015 12:36 pm : link
With those others still on the board. The Giants have a #2, a #3, a couple of FA already at DT. Given an equal player rating among those players OL and WR make much more sense.
RE: people  
OC2.0 : 4/22/2015 12:43 pm : link
In comment 12244185 Eric from BBI said:
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seem to be all over the place with Shelton...I've seen some who think he's even a 2nd-rounder (I don't agree with that).

But the big question is he merely a 2-down run stuffer? If so, he's probably not worth the #9 spot unless he is Ngata-like.


Tend to agree. With Ellis(on)? signing we'll probably go somewhere else than DT @ 9.
My untrained eye  
Capt. Don : 4/22/2015 1:04 pm : link
likes Malcolm Brown better than Shelton.
Sheltons  
area junc : 4/22/2015 1:08 pm : link
the real deal. Very similar player to star lotulelei who has been a dominant force in carolina
It Seems To Me That The WRs  
Trainmaster : 4/22/2015 1:19 pm : link
(Cooper, White or Parker) have the lowest risk and highest value at #9.

The Giants can't afford a "Robert Gallery type of bust / underperformer" on the OL at #9 or a "Clint Sintim type square peg in a round hole" at DE/OLB at #9 either.
I'd be shocked  
JonC : 4/22/2015 1:24 pm : link
if they picked Shelton over Parker or Scherff. NYG tends to value DT beginning in the 2nd, unless they're a dominant player in a 4-3.
Vince Wilfork has 16 sacks in 11 seasons  
WillieYoung : 4/22/2015 1:29 pm : link
he defines what a 2 down run stopper is. Does anyone think New England regrets that pick? I'm still a subscriber to the George Young planet theory.
ridiculous mock...  
Mike in St. Louis : 4/22/2015 1:35 pm : link
no way Gurley gets to the 20's based on everything that's coming out about his recovery...he may even go before we pick, which would give us another hopefully blue chip option...
Shelton would be a great pickup..  
prdave73 : 4/22/2015 1:36 pm : link
If the Giants can get a good Olineman in the 2nd, I'm all for taken him with the 9th pick. If you can fortify the Dline and create pressure with the front four, everything else on defense falls into place.
RE: Sheltons  
Jesse B : 4/22/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12244252 area junc said:
[quote] the real deal. Very similar player to star lotulelei who has been a dominant force in carolina [/quotyes

Yes More like loutelei than gnAta, but that's still what you'd like to have. He and Hankins could be like Marcus stroud and john Henderson Back in the day
What do we do with a WR this year  
NHGiant 68 : 4/22/2015 1:42 pm : link
if Cruz comes back at 80+% and is playing? Are we really gonna spend #9 pick on someone who will be a 4th WR this year? and wouldn't that guarantee that either Cruz (with a big dead $ hit) or Randle is gone after this year? I'm not dead set against it, but aren't there other positions that we would upgrade more with that pick?
RE: RE: Sheltons  
jeff57 : 4/22/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12244307 Jesse B said:
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In comment 12244252 area junc said:
[quote] the real deal. Very similar player to star lotulelei who has been a dominant force in carolina [/quotyes

Yes More like loutelei than gnAta, but that's still what you'd like to have. He and Hankins could be like Marcus stroud and john Henderson Back in the day


Or the Williamses with the Vikes.
Much tougher to pay two DTs a second pro contract  
JonC : 4/22/2015 1:54 pm : link
in addition to your DE, CB, QB.
RE: Much tougher to pay two DTs a second pro contract  
jeff57 : 4/22/2015 1:58 pm : link
In comment 12244353 JonC said:
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in addition to your DE, CB, QB.


Yeah, but if you're used to paying your LBs pocket change, that's not as much of a problem.
recent NYG history doesn't agree with you  
JonC : 4/22/2015 2:04 pm : link
They've been thrifty with LBs AND DTs.

As a fan, I'd like to add a DT of Shelton's caliber. But, I doubt NYG will do it, it would be a change in direction.
Still not sure Shelton is  
Giants2012 : 4/22/2015 2:49 pm : link
a 3-GAP DT.

Zuerlin is solid  
Sy'56 : 4/22/2015 2:52 pm : link
Even if its just a result of his close contacts within scouting and the NFL.

And I have been hearing Ray is going to drop in to 2nd round.
Hard to understand  
DelZotto : 4/22/2015 2:52 pm : link
Most draft sites have Armstead ranked right behind Williams, but in their mocks they have Shelton going ahead of him.
Probably a consistent sizable grade gap  
JonC : 4/22/2015 2:56 pm : link
between LW and Armstead, with Shelton in between them.
Armsteads tricky  
area junc : 4/22/2015 3:00 pm : link
He is reminiscent of one of my favorite players ever keith hammer hamilton. Now hammer was even tougher than he looked-a hard dude who was a real badass. Not sure arik has that kind of anger inside him but he could still b a calais campbell who is legit all pro in his own right

If a team really falls in love w him he could shock the world like tyson jackson and go sky high
RE: What do we do with a WR this year  
26.2 : 4/22/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12244316 NHGiant 68 said:
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if Cruz comes back at 80+% and is playing? Are we really gonna spend #9 pick on someone who will be a 4th WR this year? and wouldn't that guarantee that either Cruz (with a big dead $ hit) or Randle is gone after this year? I'm not dead set against it, but aren't there other positions that we would upgrade more with that pick?


I wouldn't mind a WR pick at all if they think he's the best player. I don't expect Cruz to be 100% this season and I don't believe that Randle is irreplaceable especially if you're picking another WR with the #9 pick.
Damn do damn dont  
area junc : 4/22/2015 3:06 pm : link
A note WR: randle is considered gone either way. If he plays poorly we wont want to resign him + if he plays well he will likely get a better offer elsewhere as hes our #3. So if u look 2 years down the road a WR makes sense even though i hope not!
RE: Armsteads tricky  
jeff57 : 4/22/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12244487 area junc said:
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He is reminiscent of one of my favorite players ever keith hammer hamilton. Now hammer was even tougher than he looked-a hard dude who was a real badass. Not sure arik has that kind of anger inside him but he could still b a calais campbell who is legit all pro in his own right

If a team really falls in love w him he could shock the world like tyson jackson and go sky high


Just as long as that team is not the Giants.
Shelton  
odunde : 4/22/2015 3:42 pm : link
can rush the passer, despite his size, and he was a three down player at UW. In the PAC 12 you see a lot of up tempo/no huddle offenses, so I think he has the stamina. I realize doing this in college is very different from the pros, but I think he could.

Still not sure he is the best pick at 9, but it'd make me smile.
RE: What do we do with a WR this year  
OC2.0 : 4/22/2015 6:18 pm : link
In comment 12244316 NHGiant 68 said:
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if Cruz comes back at 80+% and is playing? Are we really gonna spend #9 pick on someone who will be a 4th WR this year? and wouldn't that guarantee that either Cruz (with a big dead $ hit) or Randle is gone after this year? I'm not dead set against it, but aren't there other positions that we would upgrade more with that pick?


Well let's see. VC with a major injury, Randle will be a FA & a bunch of mediocrity behind them. I'd say that situation most definitely justifies a WR pick.
Shelton paired with Hankins  
TMS : 4/22/2015 8:56 pm : link
turns our defense around right away. Stopping the run and making everybody else better. Hope he is the pick.
If they go DT  
DavidinBMNY : 4/22/2015 10:25 pm : link
1) If Willaims falls they run to the podoum and take him
2) It's Macolm Brown

I don't think Shelton is the pick. His value is in 3/4. And I like Shelton a lot and I would like the pick. I just can't see them doing this @ 9.
I think Shelton's stock has settled in out of the Top 10  
Torrag : 4/22/2015 10:30 pm : link
He's also a poor scheme fit for us as he would play the same position as Hankins if we were to draft him. There are better options available for us imo.
Id rather have Carl Davis in the 2nd...  
Capt. Don : 4/23/2015 8:35 am : link
than Shelton in the 1st.

Watching Davis' tape, I see a pass rushing burst that is not consistent with his stats. By my untrained eye, that says more about his responsibilities in the scheme rather than his abilities as a pass rusher.

The Giants Will Take Shelton..  
geelabee : 4/23/2015 12:59 pm : link
In the unlikely event one of the following does not drop to 9:

Dante Foweler
Vic Beasley
Amari Cooper
Kevin White

The Giants probably view Gregory in the same category as the players above but may not be willing to take the risk...the reason why the Giants will take Shelton assuming the draft plays out the way we expect and the above players are gone...is simple...the Giants were at this year's SR. bowl and saw with their own eyes Shelton's play during Sr. Bowl week...how quickly the guys on the board forget...here is an excert from a sr bowl practice:

"Shelton has largely been unblockable on both days. Even against multiple blockers Shelton can get a push. Coaches worked with Shelton some on Wednesday to shed blocks better. But he was pushing linemen back so far it wasn't an issue because he was creating disruption."

Senior Bowl Day 2 practice report: Top players La'el Collins, Danny Shelton play as expected - ( New Window )
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