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New York Giants Re-Sign TE Larry Donnell

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2015 9:20 am
FYI.
Giants Re-Sign Larry Donnell; Stevie Brown Visits Texans - ( New Window )
Kind of forgot they needed to do that.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2015 9:22 am : link
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?  
Dragon : 4/23/2015 9:53 am : link
Why not sign him for more than one year I think he seems to be the TE for the near future, why not a two or three year contract. We signed quite a number of guys with most likely less upside than him during FA. If he has a solid to good year the dollar numbers he will be looking at could make it a tough signing for us. I know there are reasons to be cautious but sometimes you can throw caution to the wind to gain in the end.
Dragon  
old man : 4/23/2015 10:02 am : link
They want to see if he can step up; as in: catch better, not fumble in critical situations,block better.
Also they are likely looking at the draft, June 1 cuts, next years FA and draft, and the ever-present JPP of TEs.
He needs to be more consistant  
antdog24 : 4/23/2015 10:04 am : link
and maybe this also hints they might be looking at an upgrade at TE.
I thought they re-signed him  
Matt in SGS : 4/23/2015 10:06 am : link
when his plane almost splashed into Flushing Bay a month or ago.
In addition to old man's point,  
Enoch : 4/23/2015 10:07 am : link
there's no reason to sign Donnell long-term now. As an ERFA, his option was to take the cheap one-year deal or stop playing football. No reason for the team to shoulder the risk of injury when they can let it rest on the player. If he does well, they can use the RFA tag to get a team-friendly contract with Donnell next offseason.

It's cold, but that's the way the CBA works right now.
If mad Max Williams is there  
Chip : 4/23/2015 10:09 am : link
take him. second round.
I don't understand why there isn't more excitement around this guy  
Go Terps : 4/23/2015 10:10 am : link
I think he's a hell of a player.
RE: I don't understand why there isn't more excitement around this guy  
Vin R : 4/23/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12245595 Go Terps said:
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I think he's a hell of a player.


Bingo! And I think he's only going to get better
As I said before, this can backfire....  
Doomster : 4/23/2015 10:17 am : link
We can have another Bennett situation, where we just have a cheap one year rental and then we are looking for a new TE next season....

Donnell was FORCED to sign this deal, or he doesn't play....if the Giants feel this guy can improve, why not sign him instead of forcing him to sign this deal?

So now, Donnell can come into this season, a contract season, and possibly take that next step up, and then hit free agency next year.....once again, like Bennett, they might not be able to afford him.....

Or he could be a bust this year....

What does BBI think?
Maybe Donnell  
Jolly Blue Giant : 4/23/2015 10:20 am : link
Wanted a 1 year deal?
He has done nothing that warrants a MUST LOCK UP situation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2015 10:23 am : link
he's a nice player. He'll earn whatever he gets at the end of the year.

Please stop fumbling, Larry.
Think Donnell  
Doomster : 4/23/2015 10:24 am : link
wanted to sign that contract for that money?
Hey  
Giants : 4/23/2015 10:24 am : link
did you guys read this part : Terms of the deal are not yet known but Donnell most likely signed his 1-year, $585,000 tender. It says most likely. So lets wait to see what the terms are
RE: I don't understand why there isn't more excitement around this guy  
Johnny5 : 4/23/2015 10:25 am : link
In comment 12245595 Go Terps said:
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I think he's a hell of a player.

I agree, really it seems like he will definitely progress. Running after catch and blocking seemed pretty raw but he clearly has very natural ability.
RE: Maybe Donnell  
Toth029 : 4/23/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12245612 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Wanted a 1 year deal?
What's his other choice?

He isn't a great blocker, doesn't possess great speed, or YAC ability. He's a replaceable body, although you can do worse.
it's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2015 10:34 am : link
pretty normal for an exclusive rights free agent to merely sign his tender. Next year he will be restricted. It's no big deal. No risk for the Giants. Bigger risk if they sign him to a big deal and he tears his ACL or takes a major step back.
Just quit the damn fumbling  
Gman11 : 4/23/2015 10:34 am : link
Oh yeah, block better too.

Thanks for listening, Larry.
Should have a clause whereby he gets docked pay if he  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2015 10:40 am : link
ever leaves his feet while carrying the ball.
why?  
NNJ Tom : 4/23/2015 10:45 am : link
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Donnell is an exclusive right FA  
blueblood : 4/23/2015 10:57 am : link
he really doesnt have a choice.. he either signs the tender or he doesnt get paid.. its that simple..
RE: As I said before, this can backfire....  
BillT : 4/23/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12245607 Doomster said:
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We can have another Bennett situation, where we just have a cheap one year rental and then we are looking for a new TE next season....


The constant negativism from you is one thing but to be this stupid and not understand that they have him as a RFA for the next year making "a cheap one year rental and then we are looking for a new TE next season.... " nearly impossible is another. But looking like a dope doesn't matter to you I guess.
RE: RE: I don't understand why there isn't more excitement around this guy  
BillKo : 4/23/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12245604 Vin R said:
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In comment 12245595 Go Terps said:


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I think he's a hell of a player.



Bingo! And I think he's only going to get better


He took a huge step last year, minus the fumbles of course. But that can be corrected. If he takes another decent step, he's going to be a real threat in this offense.

The one thing, though, that will hold him back is the blocking. I'm not so sure that can be improved to the degree the Giants need in the run game........
For God's sake, he was an ERFA.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/23/2015 11:37 am : link
While you can make a case for signing him for more than one year at some point, there is no downside to getting his signature on a one-year deal now. The team can offer him an extension at any time - next week, if they like.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.
a lot we don't know  
fkap : 4/23/2015 11:46 am : link
first, we don't know what contract he signed.

Second, the one year deal merely locks him up. how do we know the Giants didn't offer him a longer term contract, and he said no thanks, I'd rather not get locked in at a price below what I think I can get later?

the can rip up the presumed one year contract at any time and replace it with a different contract (if he agrees to it).
well we do have the JPP of TE's backing him up  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/23/2015 11:49 am : link
;)
Ok so he's not the best blocker,  
OBJXIII : 4/23/2015 12:01 pm : link
there's quite a few receiving tight ends who are not either. Yeah he had some fumbles not securing the ball to his body. But goddammit watch some of the catches he made last year! Very talented agile big target who I'm glad is on this team. Fuck anyone who says he is easily replacable, you're a retard.
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Just because us fans want him on the cheap  
TampaGiant : 4/23/2015 12:05 pm : link
Does not mean Larry Donnell believes he is only worth a cheap long term deal. He just had a breakout year outta nowhere. Got all sorts of media attention in the biggest city in Football. I'm sure he believes he's worth top 10 TE money based off potential.

If I'm him I am not signing a deal for 5 years unless it's over 6 mil per. He has rare size an athletism for a TE.

Giants can keep him on the cheap right now.

It's really not that difficult to understand.
RE: I don't understand why there isn't more excitement around this guy  
mrvax : 4/23/2015 12:08 pm : link
In comment 12245595 Go Terps said:
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I think he's a hell of a player.


Totally agree. I think he's very good. He also works hit butt off.
RE: Ok so he's not the best blocker,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12245794 OBJXIII said:
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there's quite a few receiving tight ends who are not either. Yeah he had some fumbles not securing the ball to his body. But goddammit watch some of the catches he made last year! Very talented agile big target who I'm glad is on this team. Fuck anyone who says he is easily replacable, you're a retard. Link - ( New Window )


How about an adult-level conversation without namecalling?
RE: Ok so he's not the best blocker,  
Boatie Warrant : 4/23/2015 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12245794 OBJXIII said:
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there's quite a few receiving tight ends who are not either. Yeah he had some fumbles not securing the ball to his body. But goddammit watch some of the catches he made last year! Very talented agile big target who I'm glad is on this team. Fuck anyone who says he is easily replacable, you're a retard. Link - ( New Window )


so you mean not easily replaced like Shockey, Shiancoe, Boss, Pascoe, Ballard, Bennett, and Myers? Just to name all the starting TE that Eli has thrown to.
a big target  
jLefty : 4/23/2015 12:57 pm : link
hurdled over guys to make a few extra yards. Fumbled but it's not something he won't fix. A keeper.
RE: a big target  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12245887 jLefty said:
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hurdled over guys to make a few extra yards. Fumbled but it's not something he won't fix. A keeper.


The fumbles usually follow the hurdles. Youe lose control of the body when airborne like that. A guy his size should get his pads low and run over DBs. Fumble problem solved.
it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2015 1:08 pm : link
would make zero sense for him to have signed anything other than his 1-year, $585,000 tender.

There is no incentive for the Giants to give him a bigger deal right now.

They can tender him at a high level next year as a RFA.
RE: it  
Boatie Warrant : 4/23/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12245910 Eric from BBI said:
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would make zero sense for him to have signed anything other than his 1-year, $585,000 tender.

There is no incentive for the Giants to give him a bigger deal right now.

They can tender him at a high level next year as a RFA.


Completely agree.
RE: Ok so he's not the best blocker,  
brownstone : 4/23/2015 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12245794 OBJXIII said:
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there's quite a few receiving tight ends who are not either. Yeah he had some fumbles not securing the ball to his body. But goddammit watch some of the catches he made last year! Very talented agile big target who I'm glad is on this team. Fuck anyone who says he is easily replacable, you're a retard. Link - ( New Window )
largrly disappeared latter end of year when teams game planned and took him away. Cant block and fumbles. Yes he can get better but your comment is pure homerism.
He's shown himself to be a credible receiving option  
RB^2 : 4/23/2015 1:36 pm : link
He's athletic and has good hands. I agree there's no need to lock him up at this point. It's up to him to continue to improve but he's earned some credit.
RE: For God's sake, he was an ERFA.  
Mike in Philly : 4/23/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12245755 Big Blue Blogger said:
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While you can make a case for signing him for more than one year at some point, there is no downside to getting his signature on a one-year deal now. The team can offer him an extension at any time - next week, if they like.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

I think part of the issue here for some is that they don't (or didn't) understand the definition of "Exclusive Rights Free Agent". Sometimes I don't understand the differences between ERFA, RFA, UDFA, etc. But I know if I read long enough, someone will spell it out eventually.
Donnell is a softie  
SHO'NUFF : 4/23/2015 1:49 pm : link
we still need a true dual threat TE.
Mike in Philly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2015 1:54 pm : link
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Didn't this happen...  
Mooch82 : 4/23/2015 1:58 pm : link
a while back? I thought the same thing when you put up the news of the Fenner re-sign - he had signed a while back as well. Were you put in a time machine Eric?
Donnell is a guy on the rise  
j_rud : 4/23/2015 2:09 pm : link
and I only think he'll look better in year two of McAdoo's O. Now take Nick Boyle out of Delaware in the 4th and I think TE is solid for 3-4 years.
RE: Ok so he's not the best blocker,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/23/2015 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12245794 OBJXIII said:
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there's quite a few receiving tight ends who are not either. Yeah he had some fumbles not securing the ball to his body. But goddammit watch some of the catches he made last year! Very talented agile big target who I'm glad is on this team. Fuck anyone who says he is easily replacable, you're a retard. Link - ( New Window )


Calling someone "a retard" only illustrates your own stupidity, immaturity, and ignorance of the English language, and renders your opinion invalid.

Have a nice day.
Ooooh! We're really scared now!  
Marty in Albany : 4/23/2015 2:31 pm : link

--Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins.
Not exactly a vote  
Bill in UT : 4/23/2015 2:43 pm : link
of confidence that he's viewed as a building block for the future
RE: Ooooh! We're really scared now!  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/23/2015 2:46 pm : link
In comment 12246076 Marty in Albany said:
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--Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins.

Didn't Donnell shred the Skins? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong team.
He should  
spike : 4/23/2015 3:31 pm : link
be called Get Down Donnell!
Why is this news?  
Mooch82 : 4/23/2015 3:55 pm : link
This happened March 4th and was already discussed...
Giants bring back Donnell - ( New Window )
Forgot  
Mr. Nickels : 4/23/2015 4:00 pm : link
we needed to do this.

Only 1 year tells me they may not be as confident in Donnell as some here think. TE may be in play in the draft (and should be).
I disagree that it makes no sense  
fkap : 4/23/2015 4:49 pm : link
for the Giants to offer a longer term deal. RFA's are not always cheap. The more another team would want to sign him, the higher the level and more expensive the designation. Was Steve Brown cheap the year of his RFA? No. IF the Giants could get him to sign a low risk, easy to get out of, deal, it is absolutely beneficial for the Giants to do so. the devilish detail is getting LD to sign.

It makes little sense for LD to accept such a deal at this point, because it doesn't give him much more money now (if at all), doesn't give him security, and may potentially cost him money down the road if he pans out and ends up locked into a low rent deal.

But, there is room for a middle ground, where LD gets a little more money, maybe a little bonus, a little more security, but still leaves Giants room to escape if he shits the bed. He might decide that's worth signing a 2 or 3 year deal for.

Obviously much depends on how the Giants view him, and how he views his realistic prospects for the future.
Some things never change, around here.....  
Doomster : 4/23/2015 5:46 pm : link
RE: As I said before, this can backfire....
BillT : 11:03 am : link : reply
In comment 12245607 Doomster said:
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We can have another Bennett situation, where we just have a cheap one year rental and then we are looking for a new TE next season....


The constant negativism from you is one thing but to be this stupid and not understand that they have him as a RFA for the next year making "a cheap one year rental and then we are looking for a new TE next season.... " nearly impossible is another. But looking like a dope doesn't matter to you I guess.

Constant negativism? I suppose I never say anything positive about the Giants?

I will admit that I was wrong....I thought he was an UFA next season, instead of a RFA....but it is still possible, if he has a great year, that he could get an offer that the Giants won't match, and then we are looking again for a TE.....

I have no idea, and neither do you, if the Giants made an offer of a better deal, or if they just forced him to sign this one....If they did, it could have repercussions next year....

I have no idea if he will improve or if he will be a bust....the Giants should know better than moi....we will see....
Doomster  
BillT : 4/23/2015 7:45 pm : link
That was unnecessarily over the top by me. Apologies.
BillT,  
Doomster : 4/23/2015 10:20 pm : link
you are a Giant fan.....
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