He's not my "first" choice, but there are four true Elite players in this draft.
Cooper
White
Williams
Gurley
If the Giants walked away with any of those guys, no one here better throw the remote. Todd Gurley could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. ACL recovery is not the 50/50 proposition it used to be.
Personally, I'm still in the camp of take one of the two top WRs if they are there, if not take BPA, which could be a an OL.
No one knew he'd suck. That shouldn't preclude a team from drafting a RB high in the draft. Every position busts from time to time -- RB is actually one of the easier positions to draft successfully. Tight ends and wrs seem harder to gauge..
The OL needs addressing and if there's a Collins or Scherff there the Giants are picking one.
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is accurate. Most scouts think there is little difference between the 1st round OL talent and the 2nd round OL talent. You can also easily argue the Giants can take either a guard or a tackle to address the OL, so they have plenty of options at 40, or beyond. BBI should not be surprised if the Giants don't select an OL in round 1. Some scouts even think the LT from Florida (Cummings I think? name eludes me) is the best OT in the draft, and virtually no one has him as a top 15 prospect. If you believe you can address your OL and DL needs later, Gurley makes sense. I dare any defense to put 8 in the box against the Giants.
After the last RB pick the FO is under a ton of pressure - regardless of its basis in reality - to address other needs.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
I don't disagree, but I do think he is easily in the conversation and it would not surprise me if they did it. He is one of the top 3 playmakers in the draft.
I hear you on the other needs, they are glaring, but I think the Giants regard the 1st round as go and get the best talent you can and fill in the rest. If I'm the GM, I'm not saying I would pick Gurley, especially if Cooper or White are there, but I would take Gurley over Scherrf, who I think plays LG at the next level. I can get a good LG or OT who can play RT this year and LT two years from now in round 2. Of course, I'm just an amateur throwing darts on the board.
I sorta get if the "BPA" type of thinking, but this pick doesn't make much sense.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
Gurley and Vereen are very different players. I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
I do think the new rookie wage scale makes drafting a running back earlier much more attractive than 5 years ago. Especially when pretty much every scout says you are looking at the next Adrian Peterson.
2 years ago Teddy Bridgewater was last years's Todd Gurley. He was the number 1 pick in the draft and then the draft came he fell and the Vikings got their QB. Someone is going to hit a home run with Gurley and in all likelihood it will not be us.
similar to Steelers Bell, Brown and Rothleisberger. I don't like Jennings or Williams. If Cruz is healthy, the Giants have weapons everywhere, including Donnell at TE. Eli could throw for 5000 yards and 40 TDs while Gurley could attain 1000 yards as the primary back. The Giants will find Oline help in Round two. Sign me up.
in the making, then I could see him do that. I think there are other players he probably ranks as high, and won't gamble a #9 pick on Gurley's knee. Also, as others have mention, JJ doesn't seem to place as high a value on RBs.
BUT in this draft and the chance to get Gurley, and the chance that the Giants could take a flier on one of the DEs. Where do I sign up? I would take Gurley in a heartbeat over reaching for one of these defensive guys.
No way JR does that.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
And Wilson, as a talent, could not even sniff Gurley's jock strap. I woukd rather go in a different direction but how can I be mad if we took argubly the most talented FOOTBALL player in the entire draft at 9?
Go ahead and blame the OL if you want to (like many here used to do for Ron Dayne) but the Giants RBs are average at best. They don't scare anybody.
Vereen is great receiving threat out of the backfield, but he too is an average ball carrier.
If Gurley was deemed healthy and was chosen he could take the Giants to a new level. He would obviously improve the running game but his presence would also open up the passing game and reduce the time our D spent on the field.
Again if he's healthy, he'd be a great choice.
And how cool would it be to have a superstar WR and a (potential) superstar RB on the NYG offense?
Mayock doesn't even have him as his top rated RB.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
Can barely gain a yard. Their rushing attack the last two years has been a comucal joke. They csnt block an inch. Drafting a back would simply be audacity. Meanwhile their an beatty injury away from 2 and 90
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I would say i'm ok with it if they do their due diligence as far as best and worse case scenarios with him coming back and if he will be a 100, 90, 85% of what he was or better.
Then again, if he was healthy, he might get picked before 9. I'd say there's a 1% chance of this happening considering how much pressure is on the team to win in 2015.
Of course those two aren't happening either. Nobody counts them. I'm not sure what Peterson has to do with it, though.
There's no chance because they just signed a RB that I'm sure they want to utilize, they already have three guys at the position who are "pretty good" at a minimum, there are a bunch of holes at other positions on the team in bigger areas of need no less, Gurley coming off an injury, RB being a pretty easily position to fill, the OL needs help first for the current RB's sake and more importantly for Eli's sake. The list just goes on. They won't go RB at 9. If they pick Gurley at 9, I'll buy you tickets to a game this year. Or some silly bet like that because it's not happening.
Can barely gain a yard. Their rushing attack the last two years has been a comucal joke. They csnt block an inch. Drafting a back would simply be audacity. Meanwhile their an beatty injury away from 2 and 90
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I didn't know the draft is only one round. I guess since it is, we must take Oline at 9!
Adding another RB to play behind that line would not be very smart. Â
Mayock doesn't even have him as his top rated RB.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
before the ACL, he was THE best player in College FB and it wasn't even close!
At 6'1", I don't see him having longevity at the running back position. Peterson seems like the only tall back with prolonged success in the NFL, and this kid isn't on Peterson's level. The prototype runningback in todays NFL seems to someone who is shorter and stockier than Gurley.
they would go this way but they certainly don't have to throw him into the mix anytime soon and can wait until he's ready to play later in the season with no sense of urgency. While ideally you would want the 9th pick in the draft to play immediately, waiting until mid-year or so isn't exactly a disaster scenario since they have more options at the position.
Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.
One of the interesting conondrums of drafting a RB in the first round Â
this year, particularly in the first 10 picks, is that you will almost for sure be passing up some compelling value at RB in a later round... By picking up Vareen, the Giants are now not nearly "set" at the position, but they are "set" to wait out for a great value pick at RB every and any round there after.
Like Tevin Colman in the 2nd, or Duke Johnson in the 3rd, Â
Cooper
White
Williams
Gurley
If the Giants walked away with any of those guys, no one here better throw the remote. Todd Gurley could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. ACL recovery is not the 50/50 proposition it used to be.
Personally, I'm still in the camp of take one of the two top WRs if they are there, if not take BPA, which could be a an OL.
--- 90% of BBI in the months leading up to the 2012 draft.
I'll never say never again. :)
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is accurate. Most scouts think there is little difference between the 1st round OL talent and the 2nd round OL talent. You can also easily argue the Giants can take either a guard or a tackle to address the OL, so they have plenty of options at 40, or beyond. BBI should not be surprised if the Giants don't select an OL in round 1. Some scouts even think the LT from Florida (Cummings I think? name eludes me) is the best OT in the draft, and virtually no one has him as a top 15 prospect. If you believe you can address your OL and DL needs later, Gurley makes sense. I dare any defense to put 8 in the box against the Giants.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
And I hate Jack Daniels.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
I don't disagree, but I do think he is easily in the conversation and it would not surprise me if they did it. He is one of the top 3 playmakers in the draft.
I hear you on the other needs, they are glaring, but I think the Giants regard the 1st round as go and get the best talent you can and fill in the rest. If I'm the GM, I'm not saying I would pick Gurley, especially if Cooper or White are there, but I would take Gurley over Scherrf, who I think plays LG at the next level. I can get a good LG or OT who can play RT this year and LT two years from now in round 2. Of course, I'm just an amateur throwing darts on the board.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
Gurley and Vereen are very different players. I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
I do think the new rookie wage scale makes drafting a running back earlier much more attractive than 5 years ago. Especially when pretty much every scout says you are looking at the next Adrian Peterson.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
Weird way to go about "win now"
You really need to spend some time thinking about this.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
And Wilson, as a talent, could not even sniff Gurley's jock strap. I woukd rather go in a different direction but how can I be mad if we took argubly the most talented FOOTBALL player in the entire draft at 9?
Vereen is great receiving threat out of the backfield, but he too is an average ball carrier.
If Gurley was deemed healthy and was chosen he could take the Giants to a new level. He would obviously improve the running game but his presence would also open up the passing game and reduce the time our D spent on the field.
Again if he's healthy, he'd be a great choice.
And how cool would it be to have a superstar WR and a (potential) superstar RB on the NYG offense?
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
But he could be a nice piece in this offense.
Guess you forgot about Kicker and Punter
And tell that to Adrian Peterson
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it's RB. Not happening.
Guess you forgot about Kicker and Punter
And tell that to Adrian Peterson
Of course those two aren't happening either. Nobody counts them. I'm not sure what Peterson has to do with it, though.
There's no chance because they just signed a RB that I'm sure they want to utilize, they already have three guys at the position who are "pretty good" at a minimum, there are a bunch of holes at other positions on the team in bigger areas of need no less, Gurley coming off an injury, RB being a pretty easily position to fill, the OL needs help first for the current RB's sake and more importantly for Eli's sake. The list just goes on. They won't go RB at 9. If they pick Gurley at 9, I'll buy you tickets to a game this year. Or some silly bet like that because it's not happening.
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I didn't know the draft is only one round. I guess since it is, we must take Oline at 9!
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
before the ACL, he was THE best player in College FB and it wasn't even close!
Ever.
Good question. If he were GUARANTEED to be Tiki 2.0 (playing wise). Would you guys take him at 9? I would.
Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.