The coaches and front office are in win-now mode. They don't have the luxury of waiting a year for him to finish recovering.
Their first round pick has to play and contribute this year and help the team show major improvement. If the team isn't a lot better in 2015, Reese, Ross, Coughlin et al will be gone, and they know it.
In fact, if they draft Gurley, either they think he's going to be ready to play at a high level this season, or that's a pretty strong indication that Reese thinks he's safe and won't be fired if the team is still crummy this year.
But if gurley went on to be a 2-3 time pro bowler I wouldn't have a problem with the pick. I'd still prefer a defensive impact player but we need more production from the running game.
Williams and Jennings better be ready to rumble this season.
As he may be, unless you are a team like a Seattle, who has a great running back, has a great roster, and has the luxury of taking a guy like that and giving him the time to recover, plus they are not picking 9th. Other wise it is very tough to take a guy like that very early. The Giants just added Vereen this off season, they just added Jennings last off season, plus they just added Williams also last off season, I can not see them adding a running back at the top of the draft. Now if he was there for them in the second round then you never know, but no way at 9.
Gurley was clearly the Heisman front runner. With all due respect to Jennings Williams & Vereen, this player is an elite talent that is a game changer, you know, the kind you would never had sniffed at 9 if he didn't get hurt. Jerry Reese, dare to be great?
And yes we need another starting olineman but as good of guy Jennings is and a leader he might be he isn't a rb that a defense will game plan for. I understand its highly doubtful but Gurley would come in and present many more challenges to a defense than any other rb on current roster.
Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
They have servicable backs right now. This guy would be dynamite. I like as many great players on the Giants as possible. However, doubt it happens. We have to think o-line because that is what Mara said. His words are the best evidence right now.
the best player in this draft. Do you make a huge risk bet on greatness? I don't think Reese has the stones. Can't blame him, Mara said they need another solid draft. He'll play it safe and take Schreff or Cooper or White if they fall.
Last year the Giants went in with David Wilson, Rashad Jennings and still drafted Andre Williams with Michael Cox on roster. If the Giants don't draft Randy Gregory, the top DE imho, they should absolutely get the top offensive talent in this draft. Gurley would fit into the role they envisioned for David Wilson. I rather Gurley than a WR we don't need.
Didn't have the Oline or weapons around him that Richardson had. Teams could stack the box against Gurley. He still was great.
One name doesn't mean shit. Robert Gallery was a bust yet everybody wants an Olineman. Vernon Gholston & Dion Jordan were top 10 & considered busts. People want a pass rusher. Ted Ginn, Heyward-Bey were top 10. Both busts. The same is true for EVERY position.
The reward for Gurley outweighs the risk. The guy has potential to be the best RB in the league. That's how good he is. Not another player in this draft has the potential to be the best player at his position.
Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
Foolish to spend a top 10 pick on a RB anymore.
Don't recall too many people comparing Richardson to Peterson. If healthy. Gurley probably is the best back to come out since Peterson.
How many teams keep there first round picks at any position for 6 years? The Lions just let the #2 overall pick & best player at his position walk. When was the last Giants 1st round pick to get an extension? Kiwi in 2007? No on Aaron Ross, Nicks, Wilson & Kenny Phillips.
Look who the Seahawks & Pats went to the Super Bowl with at WR. Yet we want a WR in Round 1.
You put a star RB on this offense & people are going to think Peyton is in disguise as Eli.
We had a great Oline since Tiki left, but has the guy ever really been replaced? Nope
Gurley had 3900 total yards & 42 TDs in 30 games in the SEC. That is disgusting. There is a reason why a guy who is coming off a torn ACL playing 6 games is being discussed in Round 1.
I'm not rooting to take Gurley, but if he is the pick then I will not be mad. At all
How come the Giants haven't found a good RB since drafting Jacobs in 2005? And Jacobs was more a grinder who ran behind some good olines. Wouldn't call Jacobs a game changing RB.
Rbs are not easily replaceable. This is just another NFL myth. The position has been somewhat devalued because the passing lanes are wide open and more and more teams are employing RB by committee approach.
If gurley is a top flight RB in the NFL you most certainly should draft him. The majority of great Rbs going were all drafted round 3 are better. Usually round 2 or better.
Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
Foolish to spend a top 10 pick on a RB anymore.
Don't recall too many people comparing Richardson to Peterson. If healthy. Gurley probably is the best back to come out since Peterson.
Richardson went 3rd overall, the first non-QB taken that year. Different styles for them but people were absolutely talking about Richardson as a Peterson type talent.
He's not my "first" choice, but there are four true Elite players in this draft.
Cooper
White
Williams
Gurley
If the Giants walked away with any of those guys, no one here better throw the remote. Todd Gurley could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. ACL recovery is not the 50/50 proposition it used to be.
Personally, I'm still in the camp of take one of the two top WRs if they are there, if not take BPA, which could be a an OL.
No one knew he'd suck. That shouldn't preclude a team from drafting a RB high in the draft. Every position busts from time to time -- RB is actually one of the easier positions to draft successfully. Tight ends and wrs seem harder to gauge..
The OL needs addressing and if there's a Collins or Scherff there the Giants are picking one.
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is accurate. Most scouts think there is little difference between the 1st round OL talent and the 2nd round OL talent. You can also easily argue the Giants can take either a guard or a tackle to address the OL, so they have plenty of options at 40, or beyond. BBI should not be surprised if the Giants don't select an OL in round 1. Some scouts even think the LT from Florida (Cummings I think? name eludes me) is the best OT in the draft, and virtually no one has him as a top 15 prospect. If you believe you can address your OL and DL needs later, Gurley makes sense. I dare any defense to put 8 in the box against the Giants.
After the last RB pick the FO is under a ton of pressure - regardless of its basis in reality - to address other needs.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
I don't disagree, but I do think he is easily in the conversation and it would not surprise me if they did it. He is one of the top 3 playmakers in the draft.
I hear you on the other needs, they are glaring, but I think the Giants regard the 1st round as go and get the best talent you can and fill in the rest. If I'm the GM, I'm not saying I would pick Gurley, especially if Cooper or White are there, but I would take Gurley over Scherrf, who I think plays LG at the next level. I can get a good LG or OT who can play RT this year and LT two years from now in round 2. Of course, I'm just an amateur throwing darts on the board.
I sorta get if the "BPA" type of thinking, but this pick doesn't make much sense.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
Gurley and Vereen are very different players. I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
I do think the new rookie wage scale makes drafting a running back earlier much more attractive than 5 years ago. Especially when pretty much every scout says you are looking at the next Adrian Peterson.
2 years ago Teddy Bridgewater was last years's Todd Gurley. He was the number 1 pick in the draft and then the draft came he fell and the Vikings got their QB. Someone is going to hit a home run with Gurley and in all likelihood it will not be us.
similar to Steelers Bell, Brown and Rothleisberger. I don't like Jennings or Williams. If Cruz is healthy, the Giants have weapons everywhere, including Donnell at TE. Eli could throw for 5000 yards and 40 TDs while Gurley could attain 1000 yards as the primary back. The Giants will find Oline help in Round two. Sign me up.
in the making, then I could see him do that. I think there are other players he probably ranks as high, and won't gamble a #9 pick on Gurley's knee. Also, as others have mention, JJ doesn't seem to place as high a value on RBs.
BUT in this draft and the chance to get Gurley, and the chance that the Giants could take a flier on one of the DEs. Where do I sign up? I would take Gurley in a heartbeat over reaching for one of these defensive guys.
No way JR does that.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
And Wilson, as a talent, could not even sniff Gurley's jock strap. I woukd rather go in a different direction but how can I be mad if we took argubly the most talented FOOTBALL player in the entire draft at 9?
Go ahead and blame the OL if you want to (like many here used to do for Ron Dayne) but the Giants RBs are average at best. They don't scare anybody.
Vereen is great receiving threat out of the backfield, but he too is an average ball carrier.
If Gurley was deemed healthy and was chosen he could take the Giants to a new level. He would obviously improve the running game but his presence would also open up the passing game and reduce the time our D spent on the field.
Again if he's healthy, he'd be a great choice.
And how cool would it be to have a superstar WR and a (potential) superstar RB on the NYG offense?
Mayock doesn't even have him as his top rated RB.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
Can barely gain a yard. Their rushing attack the last two years has been a comucal joke. They csnt block an inch. Drafting a back would simply be audacity. Meanwhile their an beatty injury away from 2 and 90
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I would say i'm ok with it if they do their due diligence as far as best and worse case scenarios with him coming back and if he will be a 100, 90, 85% of what he was or better.
Then again, if he was healthy, he might get picked before 9. I'd say there's a 1% chance of this happening considering how much pressure is on the team to win in 2015.
Of course those two aren't happening either. Nobody counts them. I'm not sure what Peterson has to do with it, though.
There's no chance because they just signed a RB that I'm sure they want to utilize, they already have three guys at the position who are "pretty good" at a minimum, there are a bunch of holes at other positions on the team in bigger areas of need no less, Gurley coming off an injury, RB being a pretty easily position to fill, the OL needs help first for the current RB's sake and more importantly for Eli's sake. The list just goes on. They won't go RB at 9. If they pick Gurley at 9, I'll buy you tickets to a game this year. Or some silly bet like that because it's not happening.
Can barely gain a yard. Their rushing attack the last two years has been a comucal joke. They csnt block an inch. Drafting a back would simply be audacity. Meanwhile their an beatty injury away from 2 and 90
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I didn't know the draft is only one round. I guess since it is, we must take Oline at 9!
Adding another RB to play behind that line would not be very smart. Â
Mayock doesn't even have him as his top rated RB.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
before the ACL, he was THE best player in College FB and it wasn't even close!
At 6'1", I don't see him having longevity at the running back position. Peterson seems like the only tall back with prolonged success in the NFL, and this kid isn't on Peterson's level. The prototype runningback in todays NFL seems to someone who is shorter and stockier than Gurley.
they would go this way but they certainly don't have to throw him into the mix anytime soon and can wait until he's ready to play later in the season with no sense of urgency. While ideally you would want the 9th pick in the draft to play immediately, waiting until mid-year or so isn't exactly a disaster scenario since they have more options at the position.
Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.
One of the interesting conondrums of drafting a RB in the first round Â
this year, particularly in the first 10 picks, is that you will almost for sure be passing up some compelling value at RB in a later round... By picking up Vareen, the Giants are now not nearly "set" at the position, but they are "set" to wait out for a great value pick at RB every and any round there after.
Like Tevin Colman in the 2nd, or Duke Johnson in the 3rd, Â
--- 90% of BBI in the months leading up to the 2012 draft.
--- 90% of BBI in the months leading up to the 2012 draft.
I had the Giants taking Martin that year.
Their first round pick has to play and contribute this year and help the team show major improvement. If the team isn't a lot better in 2015, Reese, Ross, Coughlin et al will be gone, and they know it.
In fact, if they draft Gurley, either they think he's going to be ready to play at a high level this season, or that's a pretty strong indication that Reese thinks he's safe and won't be fired if the team is still crummy this year.
Weird way to go about "win now"
Williams and Jennings better be ready to rumble this season.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Multiple sources have said teams in the top 10 are sniffing around
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
Foolish to spend a top 10 pick on a RB anymore.
One name doesn't mean shit. Robert Gallery was a bust yet everybody wants an Olineman. Vernon Gholston & Dion Jordan were top 10 & considered busts. People want a pass rusher. Ted Ginn, Heyward-Bey were top 10. Both busts. The same is true for EVERY position.
The reward for Gurley outweighs the risk. The guy has potential to be the best RB in the league. That's how good he is. Not another player in this draft has the potential to be the best player at his position.
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Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
Foolish to spend a top 10 pick on a RB anymore.
Don't recall too many people comparing Richardson to Peterson. If healthy. Gurley probably is the best back to come out since Peterson.
You put a star RB on this offense & people are going to think Peyton is in disguise as Eli.
We had a great Oline since Tiki left, but has the guy ever really been replaced? Nope
Gurley had 3900 total yards & 42 TDs in 30 games in the SEC. That is disgusting. There is a reason why a guy who is coming off a torn ACL playing 6 games is being discussed in Round 1.
I'm not rooting to take Gurley, but if he is the pick then I will not be mad. At all
Rbs are not easily replaceable. This is just another NFL myth. The position has been somewhat devalued because the passing lanes are wide open and more and more teams are employing RB by committee approach.
If gurley is a top flight RB in the NFL you most certainly should draft him. The majority of great Rbs going were all drafted round 3 are better. Usually round 2 or better.
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Not a serious injury anymore. If he didn't tear his ACL I don't think we would have a shot at him. Can the Giants justify passing up on a guy who has talent to be the next Adrian Peterson? If him being back by Week 1 is realistic I could see us drafting him & I'd love it.
Wouldn't mind a starting offense of Eli, Gurley, Odell, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, 2nd/3rd round Guard.
Trent Richardson had the talent to be the next Peterson or better according to everyone. And he's been a complete bust.
Foolish to spend a top 10 pick on a RB anymore.
Don't recall too many people comparing Richardson to Peterson. If healthy. Gurley probably is the best back to come out since Peterson.
Richardson went 3rd overall, the first non-QB taken that year. Different styles for them but people were absolutely talking about Richardson as a Peterson type talent.
Cooper
White
Williams
Gurley
If the Giants walked away with any of those guys, no one here better throw the remote. Todd Gurley could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. ACL recovery is not the 50/50 proposition it used to be.
Personally, I'm still in the camp of take one of the two top WRs if they are there, if not take BPA, which could be a an OL.
--- 90% of BBI in the months leading up to the 2012 draft.
I'll never say never again. :)
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
McShay is just throwing darts to stay ultra relevant a week before the draft.
Oh! What will he do next?!?!
Fuckin lame.
I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is accurate. Most scouts think there is little difference between the 1st round OL talent and the 2nd round OL talent. You can also easily argue the Giants can take either a guard or a tackle to address the OL, so they have plenty of options at 40, or beyond. BBI should not be surprised if the Giants don't select an OL in round 1. Some scouts even think the LT from Florida (Cummings I think? name eludes me) is the best OT in the draft, and virtually no one has him as a top 15 prospect. If you believe you can address your OL and DL needs later, Gurley makes sense. I dare any defense to put 8 in the box against the Giants.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
And I hate Jack Daniels.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
And I really like Gurley - always have. I don't argue that he's not a great talent. But there are other factors at work.
And I think the Giants roll with Williams, Jennings and Vereen.
I don't disagree, but I do think he is easily in the conversation and it would not surprise me if they did it. He is one of the top 3 playmakers in the draft.
I hear you on the other needs, they are glaring, but I think the Giants regard the 1st round as go and get the best talent you can and fill in the rest. If I'm the GM, I'm not saying I would pick Gurley, especially if Cooper or White are there, but I would take Gurley over Scherrf, who I think plays LG at the next level. I can get a good LG or OT who can play RT this year and LT two years from now in round 2. Of course, I'm just an amateur throwing darts on the board.
If you were gonna draft Gurley, you probably wouldn't have signed Vereen to a multi-year contract.
Gurley and Vereen are very different players. I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
I do think the new rookie wage scale makes drafting a running back earlier much more attractive than 5 years ago. Especially when pretty much every scout says you are looking at the next Adrian Peterson.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
Weird way to go about "win now"
You really need to spend some time thinking about this.
Our pick in 2012 was pretty much a 2nd round pick. You can't compare that to pick #9 overall in the draft.
And Wilson, as a talent, could not even sniff Gurley's jock strap. I woukd rather go in a different direction but how can I be mad if we took argubly the most talented FOOTBALL player in the entire draft at 9?
Vereen is great receiving threat out of the backfield, but he too is an average ball carrier.
If Gurley was deemed healthy and was chosen he could take the Giants to a new level. He would obviously improve the running game but his presence would also open up the passing game and reduce the time our D spent on the field.
Again if he's healthy, he'd be a great choice.
And how cool would it be to have a superstar WR and a (potential) superstar RB on the NYG offense?
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
But he could be a nice piece in this offense.
Guess you forgot about Kicker and Punter
And tell that to Adrian Peterson
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it's RB. Not happening.
Guess you forgot about Kicker and Punter
And tell that to Adrian Peterson
Of course those two aren't happening either. Nobody counts them. I'm not sure what Peterson has to do with it, though.
There's no chance because they just signed a RB that I'm sure they want to utilize, they already have three guys at the position who are "pretty good" at a minimum, there are a bunch of holes at other positions on the team in bigger areas of need no less, Gurley coming off an injury, RB being a pretty easily position to fill, the OL needs help first for the current RB's sake and more importantly for Eli's sake. The list just goes on. They won't go RB at 9. If they pick Gurley at 9, I'll buy you tickets to a game this year. Or some silly bet like that because it's not happening.
In todays nfl rbs barely last.
I think rb would be a comical joke and a moronic pick.
I didn't know the draft is only one round. I guess since it is, we must take Oline at 9!
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be fine football player (and would probably be the Giants best RB), but you all get worked up over one Mock draft by some clown from ESPN.
before the ACL, he was THE best player in College FB and it wasn't even close!
Ever.
Good question. If he were GUARANTEED to be Tiki 2.0 (playing wise). Would you guys take him at 9? I would.
Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.