Jordan Raanans top 10 for the Giants

Fowler will be the pick then.

Scherff #1, then Flowers.

In comment 12246977 Chip said:

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Fowler will be the pick then.

I wish it were, but he is not even on the list. Are you saying this to suggest the list is way off and Fowler will fall to us?

info on the Giants' thoughts.

I can't imagine Raanan's been around long enough to know more or have sources than Paul Dottino or even Ralph.

it's not always 100% truth when it hits their articles.

admittedly don't know shit but my gut feeling on Flowers isn't one of excitement. I'm just not feeling him as the pick.

while Peat is only 21 (i believe)

Guessing they're going to get bigger and better (maybe like tye older Scheff).

He meant that Clinton-Dix might be the highest rated player on the Giants board when they were on the clock, not overall.

Start him at guard his first year and watch him dominate the run game. If he develops at tackle, great. If not, he's a long time starter in the interior.

it's a projection of their board when #9 is on the clock. Unless a WR has their eye, or a DE we've heard zero about is there I still expect to pick an OT.

I think someone he trusts does feed him false info and he runs with it. Otherwise, he has a deal to intentionally throw out false info from time to time.

But maybe he has better sources this year - we'll find out I guess.

Wasn't it him that said they liked Manziel last year?

Yes that is what I meant. That he'd be the top player available. Which seems to be completely false.

I have no problem with Flowers or Scherff, but I have a hard time believing that the Giants let a beat guy know almost a month prior to the draft who there top player was.

they pick they won't breathe a word about

Teams aren't as locked down air-tight as you'd like to believe. Sure, often the media writes what teams want written, and it can be false info. But, it's a professional relationship between team and media at the same time, the media won't be so kind if they're constantly used. It's a balancing act.

That's not remotely true, and the examples are plenty.

In comment 12247049 Big Rick in FL said:

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Yes that is what I meant. That he'd be the top player available. Which seems to be completely false. I have no problem with Flowers or Scherff, but I have a hard time believing that the Giants let a beat guy know almost a month prior to the draft who there top player was.

Article insinuates williams is their number one player. The word trandescent was thrown out there. and trade up.

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projected players. There is no guarantee that any of them will be good NFL playerss, so they pick the best one available at the time of their pick.

That said we have do many holes and unknown so weather it's a wr or one of the top 3 online or a dline or even a safety we will have a player that will more than likely make us better.

If the Giants think that Flowers is their best player for them who are we to argue? I am excited in who ever we get. The only postion that would be a head scratcher would be taking a qb at 9. Especially if it's not Windto or Mariotta.

it's Flowers. Scherff is ranked higher apparently, but he's likely to be gone, as well as the "playmakers" that Reese favors.

makes me think Flowers probably will be the pick.

"There just aren't many 6-6, 330-pound linemen with his toughness and agility walking the planet."

Its so true. You usually have to play pretty lousy to get a pick high enough to grab someone like that. I suspect the Giants don't want to make it a habit drafting this high.

But I think Peat has the potential to be a better LT, and Collins a better RT.

aren't the sources of information they once were, eh? Pancakes are good though.

In comment 12247061 JonC said:

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Teams aren't as locked down air-tight as you'd like to believe. Sure, often the media writes what teams want written, and it can be false info. But, it's a professional relationship between team and media at the same time, the media won't be so kind if they're constantly used. It's a balancing act.

It is a balancing act for sure. The job is taking all the information you get from all the different sources and trying to find the truth.

And nobody is getting the actual board or pick. Nobody is telling me or anybody else "this is the guy we're going to choose." That would be foolish.

But after months of talking with people in and around the organization and league, I have a feel for who they like and don't like. Then I make my list based off that. It's not an accident Ebron was left off the list last year when everybody else was mocking him to the Giants. It's not an accident Gregory or Dupree aren't on this list.

As a reader, you can trust who you want. I'm not perfect. Nobody is. But my job is to be as accurate as possible and earn your trust. I try to let my work speak for itself.

From all that we've heard, it appears that your list will be pretty accurate. Now, let's hope a WR falls...

they might develop him into a mighty LT in the NFL, and at worst a mighty and big G.
With 'Nasty' in either case.

I think your top 10 will prove to be quite accurate. 8 out of your 10 match mine, for the record.

In comment 12246977 Chip said:

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Fowler will be the pick then.

Hey, if they can get him!

To me anyway. LSU, team captain, good combine, they worked him out at his pro day. Would figure he'd at least make the list.

a hard time every now and then - and in some cases rightfully so. But that last post from Jordan is about as solid as it gets. And the draft will shake itself out one way or another but I think we all have a pretty good idea of who will be there at 9 and who the Giants like. I still think if Scherff is there he will be the pick.

Agreed across the board.

In comment 12247147 JonC said:

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I think your top 10 will prove to be quite accurate. 8 out of your 10 match mine, for the record.

Agreed...

However I'd be shocked if they pick Flowers. I mean really what do you see from him that guarantees he will be an absolute upgrade to Beatty? I actually find them somewhat similar.

That said, the Giants have been pretty successful with the very top of their board over the last few years, so honestly a pick may scratch may head but I very much trust the Giants with who they pick in the 1st round.

that WB doesn't.

You want two athletic tackles who can pass block and also get movement downfield in the run game. Flowers would figure to be plugged in at RT for the immediate future.

yes he's a nasty motherf#cker and he's very similar to last year's #3 overall pick greg robinson (rams)

In comment 12247169 JonC said:

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that WB doesn't.

See, I can only judge by highlights, but I just don't see that at all. I actually CAN see that with Scherff... Of course that means not too much... lol. Again I feel the Giants have completely earned my trust with what they do at the top of the draft, so I'll be good with whoever they pick.

Flowers has it, and NYG has worked with him on more than a few occasions during scouting season.

In comment 12247188 JonC said:

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Flowers has it, and NYG has worked with him on more than a few occasions during scouting season.

OK I'll take your word for it. Should be interesting, if he is the pick (or Scherff for that matter), what the OL looks like on opening night. I mean really it seems like the biggest need (or question-mark) is at LG.

You're a great follow on twitter and it's cool that you're part of BBI. Thanks for taking the time to respond to some of our comments.

The draft is about getting the best talent for the future, less about perceived needs for the season at hand. Picking this early in the draft, if NYG wants an OL it's most likely going to be a tackle. Tackle has more value than guard, they can find an LG later (or that's where Pugh winds up if they pick a RT).

Pretty confident that one of those 10 players will be the Giants pick. You all have me leaning towards Flowers now.

I hadn't seen that before that I can recall. I thought that the knock was the injury concern or the lack or games played last year or even that he might not be quite as talented as Cooper/White. But I hadn't heard not ready top play before.
Personally. I'm still in the top 3 WR first camp, so I am fixin' to be majorly disappointed already.

In comment 12247208 JonC said:

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The draft is about getting the best talent for the future, less about perceived needs for the season at hand. Picking this early in the draft, if NYG wants an OL it's most likely going to be a tackle. Tackle has more value than guard, they can find an LG later (or that's where Pugh winds up if they pick a RT).

I agree but is it true that JR only has this year as his window and, if so, would that alter the strategy?

Also, would Flowers (or even Scherff) fit a Best Tier approach at #9?

like the coaches are.

See Milton's post and mine earlier as well.

I'm not convinced he's a left tackle, but maybe he is. He sure looks like he can be a RT.

If the Giants are that high on Flowers, I'll trust them to be right about him. They get a lot of leeway after picking OBJ as the third WR drafted.

In comment 12247208 JonC said:

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The draft is about getting the best talent for the future, less about perceived needs for the season at hand. Picking this early in the draft, if NYG wants an OL it's most likely going to be a tackle. Tackle has more value than guard, they can find an LG later (or that's where Pugh winds up if they pick a RT).

Oh sure, absolutely agreed. And one of the tackles is probably available at #9... and Tackle seems to fit the draft position better than many that will be there... I'm just thoughtful if a Tackle is the pick at #9, where everyone ends up on opening night. Does that tackle unseat Beatty or Pugh right away? Does a Flowers or a Scherff move inside at first? Does one of the young guys (Jones)step up? Does the light finally turn on for one of the others (Herman/Mosely)?

So many questions... lol. I can't wait to see what the starting lineup is opening night.

That's what camp is for : I'd wager Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Flowers/Scherff

In comment 12247011 JonC said:

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it's not always 100% truth when it hits their articles.

I thought your info was Peat?

In comment 12247230 Bill L said:

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In comment 12247208 JonC said: Quote: The draft is about getting the best talent for the future, less about perceived needs for the season at hand. Picking this early in the draft, if NYG wants an OL it's most likely going to be a tackle. Tackle has more value than guard, they can find an LG later (or that's where Pugh winds up if they pick a RT). I agree but is it true that JR only has this year as his window and, if so, would that alter the strategy? Also, would Flowers (or even Scherff) fit a Best Tier approach at #9?

I'm not so sure that there is this one year window for Reese to turn it around that may make him alter his approach. What I think is different this year and could make him change things up are the two glaring holes at LG/RT and Safety. I don't remember the last time we went into the draft with some clear holes in the starting line up. Maybe they are content to let Taylor and Berhe start in the secondary but I don't think they want to go into the season with Jerry as your LG. I've consistently said they will go OL in the first, not because I believe in the OL or bust idea, simply because the lack of a clear effort in FA to fill that hole on the OL and the way I expect the players to fall of the board. I just don't know who they prefer. My prediction is still Flowers.

it seems Flowers (if he's the pick) would start at Guard until he works out his technique/balancing issues in pass pro. I'm just going on what other's have mentioned but it seems they could feel more comfortable with Pugh out there for the immediate future.

not as of this past tues, where you been? grin.

Opening night:
Beatty-Scherff-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh.

I have a feeling that Jones may surprise as well. I think he and Jerry are the backup guards. Which means of course, that you are probably correct Jon... lol

and the coaches do tend to be very conservative with such changes.

That could be the lineup, for sure. Jones is a fringe player until he's camp versus NFL athletes.

i don't see us putting Pugh anywhere but G. With Flowers, i could see that scenario. With Scherff, if he drastically improves his arm extension and starts using his hands more in pass pro.. I see him being better than Pugh in year one.

@ Jordan .. thanks for the work. I hope if Flowers is the target.. we aggressively pursue a trade down. Any sense that is the case?

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but his chair should be getting warm. He has to show that he can assemble a team that will get a good coach like Coughlin fired. By that I mean a team roster that's good, but the coach isn't getting it done. I don't think we're all that close to having a team where you can point the blame at the coach.

And thank to Jordan and jonc on some insight

Has a guy who has a guy. Those guys KNOW things they should not about the Giants, you should trust mostly what Mr. Ranaan says if he claims to know what the Giants "may" be thinking.

The track record of his sources are spot in going on 5 years in the first round.

At this point I have a list of guys that are highly touted that Im glad ARENT on the Giants' list. Dupree, Gregory, Ray, Peat are all on it.

Id be happy with any of the 3 wideouts, Sherff, Collins, Fowler and Peat. So at this point, I think we are looking quite good at 9.

Also its a testament to this site that columnists like Raanan would put their name in lights and explain something they said articulately as he just did without getting defensive about it. It is also a testament to him as a writer and a fan of the game.

Cheers Jordan. Class post, class move and thanks for anything you share.

Really wanted Cooper/White at 9, but now that it appears both will be gone by the time our pick rolls around, Scherff seems to me to be the best pro-ready linemen.

I've gotten a chance to watch more and more of his games the last week. The thing that really hits you off the screen is how smooth and fluid he is getting into the second layer at putting the LB on his ass. I just don't see the same kind of open field awareness from the other guys mentioned. Peat, Collins, Flowers all seem to get lost or completely whiff blocks once they get upfield. This is where Scherff really excels, imho. Super physical and super athletic.

With that being said, Scherff will really need to work on his pass blocking at the next level, particularly if he's to be considered at tackle. He just allows his man up into his pads and gets bull rushed a little too frequently for such a big man. It's fixable, but for that reason alone, I don't see him unseating Pugh in year one.

I'm okay with him at 9.

Care to share what has been spot on? No offense to you Jordan as I do really like your work & I don't think you are making stuff up. I just feel the Giants are feeding a lot of bad information as they should be doing right now. Can't say we want Parker & have the Browns, Vikings or Fins trade ahead of us.

People saying they've heard we want Flowers, Scherff or Peat would seem like a stupid move by the Giants if we really do want them. Teams like the Rams, Fins & many others see that & could get to 7 or 8 because they don't think those guys will make it to their pick.

Joey - I haven't looked back except for 2014. He had both Martin #1 & Clinton-Dix #3 above Odell. We passed on both. Also had Lewan right below Martin at 2. So I'm assuming we most likely would have passed on Lewan also.

In comment 12248545 Big Rick in FL said:

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Care to share what has been spot on? No offense to you Jordan as I do really like your work & I don't think you are making stuff up. I just feel the Giants are feeding a lot of bad information as they should be doing right now. Can't say we want Parker & have the Browns, Vikings or Fins trade ahead of us. People saying they've heard we want Flowers, Scherff or Peat would seem like a stupid move by the Giants if we really do want them. Teams like the Rams, Fins & many others see that & could get to 7 or 8 because they don't think those guys will make it to their pick. Joey - I haven't looked back except for 2014. He had both Martin #1 & Clinton-Dix #3 above Odell. We passed on both. Also had Lewan right below Martin at 2. So I'm assuming we most likely would have passed on Lewan also.

Rick, draft day is the day to ask. This source (not Ranaan but one close to him) nailed JPP, Nicks, Wilson, Beckham and Pugh on the day of. I didn't believe any of them but all turned out right.

I'm going with Collins from LSU as the guy.

there is almost always that one guy who surprisingly slips(according to the guess mocks anyway)..Question is, who might that be?

blast the Flowers pick when RV predicted it?

Chip may try.

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that Reese would love to pick one of the top WRs just don't know if he has the stones to do it because of other big needs on the team...

In comment 12249046 Jersey55 said:

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that Reese would love to pick one of the top WRs just don't know if he has the stones to do it because of other big needs on the team...

Stones? If there, he will do it in a heartbeat