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Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2015 8:46 am
Has Flowers & Scherff as the top 2. I just think the Giants organization is playing him like a fiddle. He makes it seem like a sure thing we go those two.

He said the same thing about Zach Martin last year. Also said HaHa Clinton-Dix would most likely be the Giants highest rated player. To me it just seems like the Giants give him false info & he runs with it (Which is his job so I'm not mad at it) I don't like that he shoots down anything that doesn't involve those two like it's impossible.
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RE: RE: J5  
Reb8thVA : 4/24/2015 12:08 pm : link
In comment 12247230 Bill L said:
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In comment 12247208 JonC said:


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The draft is about getting the best talent for the future, less about perceived needs for the season at hand. Picking this early in the draft, if NYG wants an OL it's most likely going to be a tackle. Tackle has more value than guard, they can find an LG later (or that's where Pugh winds up if they pick a RT).



I agree but is it true that JR only has this year as his window and, if so, would that alter the strategy?

Also, would Flowers (or even Scherff) fit a Best Tier approach at #9?


I'm not so sure that there is this one year window for Reese to turn it around that may make him alter his approach. What I think is different this year and could make him change things up are the two glaring holes at LG/RT and Safety. I don't remember the last time we went into the draft with some clear holes in the starting line up. Maybe they are content to let Taylor and Berhe start in the secondary but I don't think they want to go into the season with Jerry as your LG. I've consistently said they will go OL in the first, not because I believe in the OL or bust idea, simply because the lack of a clear effort in FA to fill that hole on the OL and the way I expect the players to fall of the board. I just don't know who they prefer. My prediction is still Flowers.
From what I read...  
Strip-Sack : 4/24/2015 12:08 pm : link
it seems Flowers (if he's the pick) would start at Guard until he works out his technique/balancing issues in pass pro. I'm just going on what other's have mentioned but it seems they could feel more comfortable with Pugh out there for the immediate future.
mrvax  
JonC : 4/24/2015 12:09 pm : link
not as of this past tues, where you been? grin.
I'll go completely out on a limb  
Johnny5 : 4/24/2015 12:10 pm : link
Opening night:
Beatty-Scherff-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh.

I have a feeling that Jones may surprise as well. I think he and Jerry are the backup guards. Which means of course, that you are probably correct Jon... lol
B in ALB doesn't think a rookie will unseat Pugh this season  
JonC : 4/24/2015 12:10 pm : link
and the coaches do tend to be very conservative with such changes.
J5  
JonC : 4/24/2015 12:11 pm : link
That could be the lineup, for sure. Jones is a fringe player until he's camp versus NFL athletes.
If we go OL at #9  
RAIN : 4/24/2015 12:45 pm : link
i don't see us putting Pugh anywhere but G. With Flowers, i could see that scenario. With Scherff, if he drastically improves his arm extension and starts using his hands more in pass pro.. I see him being better than Pugh in year one.

@ Jordan .. thanks for the work. I hope if Flowers is the target.. we aggressively pursue a trade down. Any sense that is the case?

My opinion -- that's a very good list  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/24/2015 12:59 pm : link
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I don't think Reese is on the hotseat  
fkap : 4/24/2015 1:13 pm : link
but his chair should be getting warm. He has to show that he can assemble a team that will get a good coach like Coughlin fired. By that I mean a team roster that's good, but the coach isn't getting it done. I don't think we're all that close to having a team where you can point the blame at the coach.
good thread  
micky : 4/24/2015 1:36 pm : link
And thank to Jordan and jonc on some insight
Jordan  
Joey in VA : 4/24/2015 2:13 pm : link
Has a guy who has a guy. Those guys KNOW things they should not about the Giants, you should trust mostly what Mr. Ranaan says if he claims to know what the Giants "may" be thinking.

The track record of his sources are spot in going on 5 years in the first round.
Personally  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2015 2:34 pm : link
At this point I have a list of guys that are highly touted that Im glad ARENT on the Giants' list. Dupree, Gregory, Ray, Peat are all on it.

Id be happy with any of the 3 wideouts, Sherff, Collins, Fowler and Peat. So at this point, I think we are looking quite good at 9.

Also its a testament to this site that columnists like Raanan would put their name in lights and explain something they said articulately as he just did without getting defensive about it. It is also a testament to him as a writer and a fan of the game.

Cheers Jordan. Class post, class move and thanks for anything you share.
I've come around on the idea of drafting Scherff  
Modus Operandi : 4/24/2015 2:34 pm : link
Really wanted Cooper/White at 9, but now that it appears both will be gone by the time our pick rolls around, Scherff seems to me to be the best pro-ready linemen.

I've gotten a chance to watch more and more of his games the last week. The thing that really hits you off the screen is how smooth and fluid he is getting into the second layer at putting the LB on his ass. I just don't see the same kind of open field awareness from the other guys mentioned. Peat, Collins, Flowers all seem to get lost or completely whiff blocks once they get upfield. This is where Scherff really excels, imho. Super physical and super athletic.

With that being said, Scherff will really need to work on his pass blocking at the next level, particularly if he's to be considered at tackle. He just allows his man up into his pads and gets bull rushed a little too frequently for such a big man. It's fixable, but for that reason alone, I don't see him unseating Pugh in year one.

I'm okay with him at 9.
Joey  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2015 3:21 am : link
Care to share what has been spot on? No offense to you Jordan as I do really like your work & I don't think you are making stuff up. I just feel the Giants are feeding a lot of bad information as they should be doing right now. Can't say we want Parker & have the Browns, Vikings or Fins trade ahead of us.

People saying they've heard we want Flowers, Scherff or Peat would seem like a stupid move by the Giants if we really do want them. Teams like the Rams, Fins & many others see that & could get to 7 or 8 because they don't think those guys will make it to their pick.

Joey - I haven't looked back except for 2014. He had both Martin #1 & Clinton-Dix #3 above Odell. We passed on both. Also had Lewan right below Martin at 2. So I'm assuming we most likely would have passed on Lewan also.
RE: Joey  
Joey in VA : 4/25/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12248545 Big Rick in FL said:
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Care to share what has been spot on? No offense to you Jordan as I do really like your work & I don't think you are making stuff up. I just feel the Giants are feeding a lot of bad information as they should be doing right now. Can't say we want Parker & have the Browns, Vikings or Fins trade ahead of us.

People saying they've heard we want Flowers, Scherff or Peat would seem like a stupid move by the Giants if we really do want them. Teams like the Rams, Fins & many others see that & could get to 7 or 8 because they don't think those guys will make it to their pick.

Joey - I haven't looked back except for 2014. He had both Martin #1 & Clinton-Dix #3 above Odell. We passed on both. Also had Lewan right below Martin at 2. So I'm assuming we most likely would have passed on Lewan also.

Rick, draft day is the day to ask. This source (not Ranaan but one close to him) nailed JPP, Nicks, Wilson, Beckham and Pugh on the day of. I didn't believe any of them but all turned out right.
Given their recent history  
BigBlueCane : 4/25/2015 11:58 am : link
I'm going with Collins from LSU as the guy.
Remember,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/25/2015 12:06 pm : link
there is almost always that one guy who surprisingly slips(according to the guess mocks anyway)..Question is, who might that be?
Didn't Raanan  
Bogey : 4/25/2015 12:29 pm : link
blast the Flowers pick when RV predicted it?
Can you field 11 QBs?  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 4/25/2015 1:37 pm : link
Chip may try.
Wrong  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 4/25/2015 1:45 pm : link
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I have the feeling  
Jersey55 : 4/25/2015 4:48 pm : link
that Reese would love to pick one of the top WRs just don't know if he has the stones to do it because of other big needs on the team...
RE: I have the feeling  
Big Blue '56 : 4/25/2015 4:53 pm : link
In comment 12249046 Jersey55 said:
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that Reese would love to pick one of the top WRs just don't know if he has the stones to do it because of other big needs on the team...


Stones? If there, he will do it in a heartbeat
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