"There certainly could be a better player available. There definitely will be a sexier pick. But there's nothing the Giants need more than another offensive lineman. And that's the only smart choice with the ninth overall pick."
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BPA WR, OL, DL, or Pass Rusher should all be considerations - a 2nd round O lineman wouldn't be the worst option
But that is not how Reese operates. Aside from the fact that the Giants claim they always take the BPA, Reese has already said he will take a "playmaker" over an OL. Could an OL be a "playmaker?" Sure, but not this year. Williams, Fowler, Beasley, Cooper, and White would probably all be taken ahead of any of the OL.
Only an idiot would pigeonhole themselves to one position and one position only for the 1st round of the NFL draft.
Just like always, it's going to be a combination of need vs. BPA. And yes, we need OL help but you don't reach for the 16th player on your board over the 8th just because he plays OL.
I agree with Ralph for once.
Only an idiot would pigeonhole themselves to one position and one position only for the 1st round of the NFL draft.
Just like always, it's going to be a combination of need vs. BPA. And yes, we need OL help but you don't reach for the 16th player on your board over the 8th just because he plays OL.
Exactly. Tomlinson, Cann and others are available at #40 that can start at guard and the line will be upgraded big time.
Is it smart to pass up Andrew Luck because you need a pass rusher?
How about passing up Darrelle Revis because you need a linebacker?
Also if Williams falls past Raiders as top 3 pick consensus seems more and more likely to be Winston, Mariota (to Tenn or via trade up), Fowler , I wouldn't be averse to trading for him.
IMO the Giants are a Guard away from being a good line provided they stay healthy. You don't draft that in the top 10 IMO. There are plenty of good OL after round 1. You go out & get the best player in the 1st. Whether it be Cooper, White, Beasley, Fowler, Gurley.
In the 2nd/3rd round you have guys like Cann, Tomlinson, Marpet, Sambrailo, Tre Jackson, Donovan Smith, Kouandijo also you could possibly get a guy like DJ Humphries, Jake Fisher, TJ Clemmings or Cedric Ogbuehi.
If OL is the Giants highest rated player then take him. If not then don't. I'd much rather have Beasley/White + Tomlinson/Jake Fisher then Scherff/Flowers + Nelson Agholor/Preston Smith.
2011 showed the warning signs of getting our asses kicked at the LOS. we pulled it together but it was foreshadowing things to come. it's been a rapid decline since.
flowers isn't perfect but if he's the pick, he gives us an Offensive Tackle who can move a good front 7 the f#ck outta the way and pave some running lanes. that is invaluable to our situation right now even if he's technically not the best overall player on the board
I'm sure there are examples of it working out better then other way around. Was just talking to my Brother about Ginn so that was the first thing to come to mind.
You don't pass up on Amari Cooper/Kevin White for Scherff/Flowers.
When's the last time he admitted a mistake.We are still signing dollar bin linebackers,and Safety looks like a repeat of 2009.
But look at the defensive stats that resulted in Fewell getting canned. The giants gave up the 4th most yards in the league and 3rd most rushing yards. They ranked in the middle on passing (15th), but why pass when you can run...
So the defense was more of the problem on a team with lots of problems. Really they can go either way. This team should really go BPA at damn near any position outside of QB. They suck, and they need the biggest bang for their buck.
This year it seems to me that need and position are likely to coincide. There's likely to be an OL in their top tier, and no skill guy (WR, DE) in that same tier.
I think you're probably right. The question is, in what order.
But yeah, I'll be very surprised if they don't find a way to get an O-lineman in the first or second rounds. Especially the second.
Waynes (6th ranked player on board -- plays CB aka somewhat an area of need, but not that much relatively speaking)
So let's say the Giants choose between those 2 guys. If the Giants rated Waynes as the 6th best prospect and Flowers the 10th best, would you still want them to select Flowers?
I would take Flowers in that situation. And if you also say yes to that, keep on dropping Flowers one spot on the Hypothetical Big Board.
15th ranked Flowers vs. 6th ranked Waynes, would you still want them to go with Flowers (best OT grade) over Waynes if the disparity between them was this large?
No chance would I take Flowers in this situation. Reaching for the 15th best player because of need when your 6th best player is still on the board is criminal.
That's what the Giants did in 2006 - BPA, with Mathias Kiwanuka (over DeMeco Ryans, D'Qwell Jackson, Roman Harper, Greg Jennings, Devin Hester etc.) They, of course exacerbated the situation by later moving up to pick Sinorise Moss.
The point is (these days more than ever) - You look at where you're picking, then you ask yourself - How SOON can this player help me ?
(at my greatest area of need). If the answer is now or very soon, you take him. If the answer is negative, you move on ...
You identify the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.greatest needs and try to match up each BPA with you corresponding needs.
Then, of course there's always the option of moving down, if you feel there's no-one worthy in the higher rounds, of being picked that high, and you feel this particular draft is deep enough to fill multiple needs.
The ONLY time this strategy doesn't work is when you have a chance to draft a once-in-generation type like Ndamukong Suh (how many times does that happen) ?
That said, if you can do both, fantastic.
Such a pompous ass.
Also people act like OL is such a sure thing in the draft. They have high enough bust rates and very often take time to develop. How great were all the OL taken before OB last year? How great were any of them?
I think a clearer picture is emerging. Three things have surprised me about the last couple of days' Giants rumors:
1) the strong interest in White,
2) the strong interest in Scherff,
3) how Andrus Peat seems to have slid a bit.
I'm also keeping in mind that the Rams, who could realistucally trade up to #8, have an urgent need on the right side of their OL which increases the likelihood that there is a concerted effort at misdirection ( I'm suspicious of the talk about Scherff).
Should be an entertaining week.