He said he's been hearing about it for a little bit over a month now & McShay has an account with them. Says they are friends so they talk often. He said when he found out he told McShay. He said after that McShay started making calls to scouts he knows & people in the front office. McShay was told the same thing by people in the Giants organization & people inside many other organizations.
Boylhart also said he doesn't like Gurley there even if he never got hurt. Sees him as a bigger version of CJ Spiller.
I'm sure a lot of people won't believe it. Some of it is on my Twitter account where anybody can see it & the more detailed stuff he sent me through direct messages. So take it with a grain of salt, but don't be surprised come 7:15 if Todd Gurley is a New York Football Giant.
Yes I know it's kind of a luxury pick, but if he never got hurt he could have easily went 3 to the Jags. Yes I know we need a Guard, but the draft isn't only 1 round. We can get a good Guard that could come in & start right away in the 2nd & 3rd. Just look at our SB teams & the Pats this past year. They had a 1st rounder at LT. Two Undrafted players at Guard, a 4th rounder at Center & a 2nd rounder at RT. I know it's a need just doesn't have to be addressed top 10. We have 3 very high picks on the Oline already + a free agent who was a stud in 2013 and got a good contract. Richburg playing his natural position & Schwartz back is going to help the line tremendously.
Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.
Or imagine this not too uncommon scenario:
Gurly misses minicamp or is riding the bike because, he's not quite ready. Then training camp he works lightly every other day as he's "improving" but still experiencing soreness..Then pre-season games he's had a "minor setback but that's not unusual at this stage of game." Then regular season "he's been practicing well after just having his knee drained."
And so on..
We can win with what we have while we fortify areas that need it..That's how you get back into contention, imv
Oh, sure. Possible and probable are two different things though.
If the Giants were picking 15 and lower, then I could totally see this.
Giants love the RBBC approach as well, and value WR/CB/DE far more than any other position other than QB. They're not picking him.
I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.
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that makes them take him at 9. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.
Oh, sure. Possible and probable are two different things though.
If the Giants were picking 15 and lower, then I could totally see this.
Well, I actually think there's a good chance Gurley makes it to the top ten. I just don't think it will be the Giants.
I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.
Agreed, and blowing smoke that they might take Gurley would be a way to entice trade offers.
I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.
For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.
Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
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It could be a bluff to try and get a team to move up, but I don't think either draftnik is as plugged into NYG as their notoriety might indicate.
I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.
Agreed, and blowing smoke that they might take Gurley would be a way to entice trade offers.
This is how I read it as well. Though I am making the case for Gurley, there is a bit of devil's advocate to my posts and I do not believe that is the direction they are focusing on. That said, there are always many opinions in a war room and it is not out of the question that some could make a case such similar to what I have outlined.
They need to add a playmaker on defense but let's be honest, it's been poor for years now. Picking Kevin White or Amari Cooper would be great too because there's serious questions about Cruz's recovery and Randle's last year on his deal.
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.
I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.
For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.
Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.
Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?
Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.
And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.
They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.
I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.
For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.
Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.
Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?
Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.
And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.
They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.
+1
They need to add a playmaker on defense but let's be honest, it's been poor for years now. Picking Kevin White or Amari Cooper would be great too because there's serious questions about Cruz's recovery and Randle's last year on his deal.
I agree, but there are many ways you can win -there is no one formula. No one blueprint. But the bottom line is, regardless of where your stars line up on the field, or even which side of the ball, you need to have them, and that is the one consistency that is true of every SB team. So the question I ask with Gurley is, is the talent that good to pass up? My guess is that there are too many flags between the position and the injuries, but he may well prove to be one of those players a few years from now everyone is kicking themselves for passing up on an obvious talent.
If you have the offensive line, you can can do it.
We've all seen it happen, here, recently. I'm surprised there's so much resistance to this.
Kirwan says this draft is extremely deep in the 3rd round, so teams will be looking to trade down a few spots in the 1st round in order to pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick
That would be music to my ears....would simply love picking up another 3!
I don't think it is going to happen, but I don't think you can rule it out completely. Especially for a guy whose never had over 750 yards in a season & two backs who are basically good at only one thing.
At least if the Giants pass the ball from the one, it'll likely be too the best WR in the league, not some 3rd rate WR!
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.
I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.
For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.
Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.
Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?
Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.
And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.
They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.
Yes, and to this all I have to say is that the one team who gets there the most and wins the most is NE and they keep reinventing themselves over and over. They aren't asking themselves, how did we get there before and try to force the same blueprint over and over. Teams have to take opportunities when they come -they can't just sit back and try and force things in the draft and in FA.
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.
I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.
For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.
Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.
Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?
Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.
And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.
They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.
Yes, and to this all I have to say is that the one team who gets there the most and wins the most is NE and they keep reinventing themselves over and over. They aren't asking themselves, how did we get there before and try to force the same blueprint over and over. Teams have to take opportunities when they come -they can't just sit back and try and force things in the draft and in FA.
That will change when Brady is gone imo..With arguably the best QB ever to control things, you can pretty much adapt to any style you care to imv
The only pick you go at 9 for Off is OL or WR barring a bizarro draft and even then we trade down more than likely...
If Reese does this, he SHOULD be fired on the spot.
No team is worried about Rashad whose never had over 750 yards in his career or Andre Williams who averaged a whopping 3.3 yards per carry last year. Shane Vereen whose never had more then 400 yards in a season. Who is strictly a threat receiving the ball. It's not like with Gurley we would just get rid of the other guys. They'd still get touches I'm sure. Imagine what Odell, Cruz & Randle could do if teams actually had to worry about a RB. They'd be destroying teams who are trying to stack the box. Would also take a lot of pressure off of Eli.
People are ok with taking a WR when we already have an All-Pro & Pro Bowler there plus a solid player in Randle. Don't want a RB because we have 3 guys who are average players at best. Here are the career high yards for our top 3 RBs.
Jennings - 733 yards
Vereen - 391 yards
Williams - 727 yards
Just because the media and even some NFL "insiders" say it doesn't make it true. Good RBs help teams win games. Good RBs are in fact hard to find. We haven't had one here in years if we had one in 2012 we make the playoffs. IF we had one last year we win 8 games by accident.
I think what makes it questionable for the Giants is that they've done a good job with finding non elite but very good guys later in drafts. But given that Jerry spent a first on David Wilson, I don't think it's fair to say that the organization agrees that first round picks on RBs are a bad idea.
Just because the media and even some NFL "insiders" say it doesn't make it true. Good RBs help teams win games. Good RBs are in fact hard to find. We haven't had one here in years if we had one in 2012 we make the playoffs. IF we had one last year we win 8 games by accident.
What we are arguing is that you don't have to spend a top 10 pick on one to get a running game that helps you win.
You can create a good RB by having a good offensive line.
Show me all these currently elite high-drafted RBs and how they played pivotal roles in winning a championship. There's only one. Marshawn Lynch, who was decidedly unimpressive at best for the first 4 years of his career.
I think what makes it questionable for the Giants is that they've done a good job with finding non elite but very good guys later in drafts. But given that Jerry spent a first on David Wilson, I don't think it's fair to say that the organization agrees that first round picks on RBs are a bad idea.
On point. I just don't think Gurley is THE GUY this year, not relative to Gordon in the 1st or other backs that will be drafted in the later rounds this year.
Here are the previous Make the Case candidates
Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff
Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Miami OT Ereck Flowers
Texas DT Malcom Brown vs. Washington DT Danny Shelton
Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat
Safety Landon Collins vs. WR Amari Cooper
Iowa OT Brandon Scherff vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat
Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. West Virginia WR Kevin White
Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Clemson DE Vic Beasley
Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff
I found that interesting..
Not reading anything into it.. but there has been ZERO mention of a RB since they started doing these Make the Case things.. and all of a sudden a RB??
Does that mean I think they will take Gurley.. NO.. but I think they are baiting someone else to try and take him..
Im down to being OK with Cooper, Scherff, White, Flowers.. in that order..
I think its very possible one WR could be there.. everyone has a WR pegged to Chicago but their defense is HORRIBLE..
Just can't see Reese taking a running back coming off an ACL with the 9th pick.He likes to gamble,but that one might put him on the Turnpike with his thumb hanging out.
of Gurley on draft breakdown, that starts with footage vs South Carolina from 2014. That's what they call it actually I think it was a 2013 game...
After about 10 mins of tape review they mention Gurley's vision "isn't as good as Gordon's." After another 10 minutes, after comparing him to AP a few times, they admit he's not as fast as AP re long runs... Then they say he's not as powerful as AP...
Gurley IS NOT AS GOOD AS GORDON...
And in this video, the guys were trying to pump Gurley!
Well for one SY'56 thinks Gurley is better than Gordon, although the rating is close and the rating does include the injury dropping Gurley's rating.
I don't think I've seen a scouting report that has Gordon rated higher. Sy'56 RB Scouting Report - ( New Window )
Well someone already mentioned Mayock's last board, and a while ago Bucky Brooks did a detailed breakdown of Gordon vs Gurley, and concluded he liked Gordon better too, with very specific rationale.
But I am not quoting sources, I suggest people look at draft breakdown tape and analysis and decide for themselves!
With due respect to Sy'56, I strongly disagree about Gurley. And I think the media has an historical bias fir Georgia RBs, an against Wisconsin RBs.... Not to mention a BBI general bias too. Rodney Hampton vs Ron Dayne, anyone care to recall?
Alot of smoke screens right now. Interest in Gurley could be for leverage for trade down. Could be wrong on Scherff, but Giants board/rows will have Williams at top then Cooper (and maybe White). Peat, Flowers next.
Giants have size/arm length preferences and neither Collins nor Scherff fit their prototype like Peat and Flowers.
Love Erving and Smith too (and fit our size /build prototype fairly well) but dont see Giants taking them at 9.