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Drew Boylhart says Gurley to the Giants

He said he's been hearing about it for a little bit over a month now & McShay has an account with them. Says they are friends so they talk often. He said when he found out he told McShay. He said after that McShay started making calls to scouts he knows & people in the front office. McShay was told the same thing by people in the Giants organization & people inside many other organizations.

Boylhart also said he doesn't like Gurley there even if he never got hurt. Sees him as a bigger version of CJ Spiller.

I'm sure a lot of people won't believe it. Some of it is on my Twitter account where anybody can see it & the more detailed stuff he sent me through direct messages. So take it with a grain of salt, but don't be surprised come 7:15 if Todd Gurley is a New York Football Giant.

Yes I know it's kind of a luxury pick, but if he never got hurt he could have easily went 3 to the Jags. Yes I know we need a Guard, but the draft isn't only 1 round. We can get a good Guard that could come in & start right away in the 2nd & 3rd. Just look at our SB teams & the Pats this past year. They had a 1st rounder at LT. Two Undrafted players at Guard, a 4th rounder at Center & a 2nd rounder at RT. I know it's a need just doesn't have to be addressed top 10. We have 3 very high picks on the Oline already + a free agent who was a stud in 2013 and got a good contract. Richburg playing his natural position & Schwartz back is going to help the line tremendously.
I just don't believe  
the Giants are going RB with the 9th pick with so many other needs. Especially a running back who is coming off an ACL injury.
One thing  
MookGiants : 8:54 pm : link
I can't get out of my mind with Gurley is that Nick Chubb, a freshman, stepped in for him and they didn't miss a beat. The system there doesn't get nearly enough credit.
I would be surprised  
jeff57 : 8:58 pm : link
But he could be a special back.
Giants have a 3 RB rotation now  
mattlawson : 9:02 pm : link
Why in the World would they take one at 9. And I don't think you can just look at what another team is comprised on the offensive line and think we're just fine. The run blocking has got to get better or we'll suck ass.
that would make very little sense to me  
GiantNatty : 9:04 pm : link
for too many reasons to list right now. that would be a major headscratcher...
Before the injury....  
damdevs : 9:05 pm : link
Gurley was hands down the best player in college. The guy was on a different planet almost like AP was in college.

Now I'm not sure I buy it, but if both WRs ( Cooper and White) are gone along with Beasley(and they don't like the other DE/LBers) I wouldn't put it past Reese and Co to pull that trigger.

They can go OL in round 2 or 3, it's plenty deep enough.
im in the more in more this gurley to nyg  
CGiants07 : 9:08 pm : link
is smokescreen trying to get a player they want to fall like Beasley or sherff
I could see it if he wasn't hurt.  
section125 : 9:08 pm : link
But can they afford to have a guy sit for half a season? Are they going to start with Cruz and Gurley on PUP?

I like the player and I wouldn't "throw the remote" but I would scratch my head.
lol wtf  
ANGPASS : 9:09 pm : link
i mean, it actually doesn't surprise me anymore because the giants always take someone we never expect anyway. we started hearing about this last year with OBJ. One thing that makes sense is that Mcshay wouldn't randomly put Gurley to the giants unless he hears from people inside that they really like him. Giants do go BPA, and if that is true, it makes sense because he is a top talent in the draft. his injury puts him back.
RE: One thing  
damdevs : 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12250432 MookGiants said:
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I can't get out of my mind with Gurley is that Nick Chubb, a freshman, stepped in for him and they didn't miss a beat. The system there doesn't get nearly enough credit.
Mook....Chubb is a wrecking ball and he was highly recruited coming out. They've got a freshman that is really good to. Lit it up at the Spring game.

While I think Mark Richt is a good guy, especially in college football and does it the right way, is there a coach in college who does less with the talent he's got?
RE: im in the more in more this gurley to nyg  
damdevs : 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12250456 CGiants07 said:
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is smokescreen trying to get a player they want to fall like Beasley or sherff
Could be...maybe to get the Falcons to bite. They need a RB like nobodies business.
I  
AcidTest : 9:17 pm : link
guess if this is right, Boylhart and McShay will look very smart. If it's wrong, they'll just be pundits who incorrectly claimed they knew who a team was going to pick.

I don't want Gurley at nine. He torn his ACL less than a year ago, and has never played football since it happened. I get that we go BPA, but that does not include a RB who tore his ACL less than a year ago.
It Would Be Risky  
Jim in Tampa : 9:18 pm : link
But I'd rather the Giants gambled on greatness rather than reach for Flowers, who many have coming off the board somewhere between 20-24.
The mission in the top 10  
Enoch : 9:18 pm : link
isn't to fill a hole. It's to find a star. (If you can do both, great.)

That said, I'm not all that confident in the ROI on a star running back in the modern NFL.
I think the smoke is getting thick  
BillT : 9:19 pm : link
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Gurley  
JesseS : 9:19 pm : link
Is that good.
If it happens  
Carl in CT : 9:20 pm : link
He better be AP! Or JR should be fired on the spot! No excuses!
Reese drafts on value  
Yes the injury sucks, but an ACL isn't a serious injury like it used to be. These guys are coming back quicker then ever after a torn ACL. Thomas Davis has torn his ACL 3 times and he is still a damn good player. A guy like Gurley can make the Oline look a lot better. We essentially upgraded 2 positions this year without signing a starting caliber player.

The value is certainly there. He could have easily went 3 if he never got hurt. Talent wise he is either 1A or 1B with Leonard Williams.

Yes we have 3 RBs on the roster, but are any of them irreplaceable? Nope. Jennings could be gone next year or even traded for a late round pick provided we draft Gurley. Williams averaged a terrible 3.3 YPC & really didn't look good last year. Vereen is decent running the ball, but we signed him to be a pass catcher out of the backfield or line up in the slot when we go 5 wide. Not a single one of those players should stop us from getting a guy who has potential to be Adrian Peterson. Jennings is decent at a lot of things but there isn't really one thing he is good at. Williams is a short yardage guy & Vereen is the receiver. Gurley does everything very good. He's a better short yardage back then Williams & I don't think right now he's a better receiver then Vereen, but he has potential to be just as good.

I am open to OT, DE & WR. Gurley on this team and we could have the best offense in the league.

Eli, Gurley, Williams, Vereen, Odell, Cruz, Randle, D. Harris, M. Harris, Donnell, Fells, Beatty, Schwartz, Richburg, Pugh & a guy like Tyler Sambrailo in the 3rd is very scary offense.
Behind this current offensive line...  
M.S. : 9:20 pm : link
...Gurley sucks.
Running Backs don't win Championships...  
M.S. : 9:23 pm : link
...unless they're running behind championship level offensive lines.
Boylhart is seldom...  
BMac : 9:24 pm : link
...close to being accurate with either his team needs/draft picks or his player evaluations. The best way to bet is against him. In all but a very few instances, you'll win your bet.
No way that happens  
ZogZerg : 9:26 pm : link
too much risk in that pick.
There is truth here...  
Sy'56 : 9:28 pm : link
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Not Buying it  
ZogZerg : 9:31 pm : link
Sure, things could have been said, but that doesn't mean that are the intentions.
I agree there is definitely some truth there  
blueblood : 9:33 pm : link
and its VERY possible the Giants are putting that info out there to get teams interested in Gurley to possibly trade up...
RE: Running Backs don't win Championships...  
Dunedin81 : 9:35 pm : link
In comment 12250491 M.S. said:
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...unless they're running behind championship level offensive lines.


Offensive lines look a lot better when they have QBs with quick releases and running backs whose presence in the huddle doesn't announce "run" or "pass" to the defense. They're probably one guy and good health away from being a solid line, but I think Gurley could run behind this OL.
Which RB will be inactive each week, waiting for an injury?  
Ivan15 : 9:37 pm : link
Jennings was pretty productive when he wasn't hurt. Williams will be a lot better this year.

There are 2 other roster RBs worth a look who also will be waiting for someone to get hurt.
I've been pretty successful  
Bill in UT : 9:38 pm : link
at not worrying about who the Giants might pick
This  
AcidTest : 9:40 pm : link
would be Reese again swinging for the fences, with "high ceiling" "low floor" players. That is exactly what put the roster in its current state, along with drafting players with high character risks. You don't draft Gurley for the same reason you don't draft Gregory. Too much risk, especially at #9, and for a team with so many needs.

Medical science has drastically improved the ability of players in all sports to return from a torn ACL. But there are no guarantees, and it would only take the slightest diminution in ability for him to be nothing more than an ordinary RB in the NFL. He also tore it less than a year ago, and hasn't played football since the injury.

Gurley less than a year removed from a torn ACL behind this OL is a formula for success? People wrongly criticize Williams. Sure he needs to be more patient, and do a better job seeing lanes. But he was a rookie running behind a bad OL.

Mara should intervene and tell Jerry no.
Gurley at #9 and  
section125 : 9:40 pm : link
Tomlinson or Cann or at #40?
Besides the 2 QBs, if these players are taken  
Watson : 9:41 pm : link

Williams/Cooper/Fowler/
White/Beasley/Scherff/

Who?

Parker/Shelton/Gregory/Ray/Flowers/Waynes/Peat/Landon Collins
I think you could make a case why the Giants would not pick any of these players at 9. Gurley may not be all that rediculous.
I hope it doesn't play out in a way that makes Gurley the he'st option  
j_rud : 9:43 pm : link
I just don't like taking RBs that early in general. Time and time again it's been proven that if there's one position that regularly yields gems late it's RBs. Even if Gurley didn't have the injury history I wouldn't be a fan of a RB that early. An OL like Flowers or Scherff (as much I'm keeping my fingers crossed that a wideout falls) would do more to fix the rum game than Gurley. It's not that I think the Giants have a stable of stars at the RB position but they've got a solid, capable group with a diverse set of skills (Vereen's pass catching/blocking, Jennings all around skills, Williams power), I feel the best way to upgrade the running game is to upgrade the OL.
I want a fat guy!  
Power wins football games.

No, that wasn't my old handle.
They won't take gurley  
And frankly, I'm shocked this is even a report considering how little sense it makes whatsoever.
melvin gordon  
hutch33 : 9:55 pm : link
looks better and will be the better pro
Hey, Gurley could get back to the line of scrimmage  
PatersonPlank : 9:58 pm : link
rather than losing 2 yards per carry. Thats an upgrade.
You know what they say this time of year  
blueblood : 10:02 pm : link
believe half of what you see and NONE of what you hear..
Why is this hard to believe?  
Shecky : 10:06 pm : link
It is well known Reese LOVED Spiller coming out. And to hear the Giants like Gurley, and then described as a "bigger Spiller". Sounds like someone clearly said something they shouldn't have said.
This  
Jon in NYC : 10:08 pm : link
screams of smokescreen.
Fortune favors the bold  
bceagle05 : 10:13 pm : link
but it's hard to fathom this pick. I know, I know - BPA - but we have a lot invested at RB already.
Can't argue about the guys talent  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10:14 pm : link
I wouldn't mind having a RB with that type of game-breaking speed.
Gurley Highlights - ( New Window )
The Giants also  
Matt in SGS : 10:14 pm : link
"wanted' Manzeil because they wanted to goad the Cowboys into a bad trade last year. I wonder if this is something similar where Dallas wants him (they could use a RB) and the Giants want to see if they can make Jerruh do something stupid.
Born in 1994.  
bceagle05 : 10:14 pm : link
Damn I'm feeling old.
why is this hard to believe?  
GiantsFan84 : 10:15 pm : link
I like Jennings but he isn't young, isn't cheap, and is injury prone.

Vereen is your third down change of pace back.

Williams was unspectacular and may not be more than a #2 back.

Gurley can be a star.

And the OL can be fixed in Rd 2.
RE: This  
blueblood : 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12250626 Jon in NYC said:
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screams of smokescreen.


Give that man a cigar
RE: why is this hard to believe?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10:20 pm : link
In comment 12250640 GiantsFan84 said:
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I like Jennings but he isn't young, isn't cheap, and is injury prone.

Vereen is your third down change of pace back.

Williams was unspectacular and may not be more than a #2 back.

Gurley can be a star.

And the OL can be fixed in Rd 2.


Or you could fix the OL, and make your own RB like they've done multiple times and won Super Bowls with.

This is the same franchise that made Brandon Jacobs and Derrick ward into 1200 and 1500 yard rushers.
fairly certain they will  
bc4life : 10:25 pm : link
take a rb in this draft - wouldn't bet on it being in the 1st round.
doesn't make sense  
Mike in NY : 10:26 pm : link
To sign Vereen if you were seriously considering Gurley
sure it does  
bc4life : 10:27 pm : link
first you can't guarantee you'll get Gurley.

second, Vereen is a 3rd down back.

Tiki was the last back the Giants had that opposing defenses had to game plan for.
on a side note  
bc4life : 10:28 pm : link
people assessing Williams' ceiling after his rookie year are really jumping the gun, IMO.
That's not really true.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10:29 pm : link
The Giants downright imposed their will on teams when running the ball for years.

Nobody could stop it. Even after Tiki was gone. Teams certainly did try.
You can't reasonably dismiss this....  
Four Aces : 10:29 pm : link
The Giants do not have a lot invested financially at RB. They have only have 3 RBs guaranteed roster spots and will probably carry 4.

Jennings is 30 yrs and injury prone. Williams is a limited RB. And Vereen is a 3rd down back.

If Jennings gets hurt again, we're screwed again. We do not another complete back like Jennings. The Giants still have a void and need at RB.

And if Gurley is as good as they say he is, I would welcome the pick. He would be a difference-maker. I like Jennings but he's just a solid back not a home-run hitter like Gurley.
RE: doesn't make sense  
section125 : 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12250654 Mike in NY said:
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To sign Vereen if you were seriously considering Gurley


You cannot guarantee that Gurley will/would be there at #9 at the start of March when Vereen was signed.
RE: doesn't make sense  
blueblood : 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12250654 Mike in NY said:
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To sign Vereen if you were seriously considering Gurley


Vereen has nothing to do with Gurley.. Gurley is potentially a bell cow. Vereen is not that..
If....IF  
bc4life : 10:33 pm : link
Gurley is healthy - he could be a back that could do damage every time he touches the ball. Think about what that could do for the passing game - (provided they can block better than they did last year). Could have more impact than drafting Cooper or White.
TTH  
bc4life : 10:34 pm : link
That was due in large part to a very good OLine.
This would  
Be a risky oick for a team that cant afford a slip up.
I feel like it's a lofty assumption  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10:35 pm : link
to assume that Todd Gurley, coming off ACL rehab, is going to make a big impact behind a really mediocre run-blocking offensive line.

Offensive lines make RBs, not the other way around

I'd  
Jon in NYC : 10:37 pm : link
much rather go OL round 1 and RB in round 2 or 3.
TTH  
bc4life : 10:38 pm : link
If by lofty you mean - get it wrong and your job security becomes more tenuous. then yeah, I'd agree.

Based on the win or less mandate and some comments by Reese, I'd think they may be less likely to take a risk on a player, especially given some very good backs being available in subsequent rounds.
Its smoke people  
blueblood : 10:41 pm : link
seriously..
RE: I feel like it's a lofty assumption  
AcidTest : 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12250669 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to assume that Todd Gurley, coming off ACL rehab, is going to make a big impact behind a really mediocre run-blocking offensive line.

Offensive lines make RBs, not the other way around


Agree.
Boylhart  
Marty866b : 11:04 pm : link
Isn't he the same guy who Matt Barkley rated ahead of Andrew Luck?
RE: doesn't make sense  
j_rud : 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12250654 Mike in NY said:
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To sign Vereen if you were seriously considering Gurley


If the Giamts think Gurley is a star in waiting they're not going to pass on him because they gave a couple million to a 3rd down back in FA. Vereen isn't likely to even start IMO, he's set for 130-150 touches tops. If they think Gurley is a stud there's no way Vereen even enters their minds during the decision making process.
I bet  
Fish : 11:25 pm : link
Dallas wants gurley real bad. This talk makes them real nervous.
RE: why is this hard to believe?  
BlueLou : 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12250640 GiantsFan84 said:
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I like Jennings but he isn't young, isn't cheap, and is injury prone.

Vereen is your third down change of pace back.

Williams was unspectacular and may not be more than a #2 back.

Gurley can be a star.

And the OL can be fixed in Rd 2.


It's hard to believe because Melvin Gordon is clearly the superior RB. Not even considering the ACL...

I will hate it if Hurley is the pick, over Gordon.
Big Rick, my only problem  
barens : 11:38 pm : link
With your post, which was a little unclear, is that either Boylhart or McShay spoke with people in the Giants front office, and they gave them information that would suggest the Giants will draft Gurley?

No offense to you because I see you post here a lot, but that sounds just plain silly to me.
RE: The Giants also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:45 pm : link
In comment 12250636 Matt in SGS said:
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"wanted' Manzeil because they wanted to goad the Cowboys into a bad trade last year. I wonder if this is something similar where Dallas wants him (they could use a RB) and the Giants want to see if they can make Jerruh do something stupid.


Matt, that was my initial reaction too.
RE: RE: The Giants also  
section125 : 11:49 pm : link
In comment 12250735 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
In comment 12250636 Matt in SGS said:


Quote:


"wanted' Manzeil because they wanted to goad the Cowboys into a bad trade last year. I wonder if this is something similar where Dallas wants him (they could use a RB) and the Giants want to see if they can make Jerruh do something stupid.



Matt, that was my initial reaction too.


Chances are Gordon is available where the Cowboys pick. I doubt the Cowboys are worried by a rumor the Giants are looking at Gurley.
running backs might be getting underdrafted  
Carthonfan : 11:55 pm : link
I went back to the 2013 draft with the question, knowing what we know now, would the Giants draft Pugh? The only names that stood out were Leveon Bell and Lacey in round 2. Everyone else is either roughly equal or lesser value than Pugh (as an aside it's panning out to be a fine pick). On the main topic area, based on the 2013 draft RBs were underdrafted. Stud RBs can make a good offense great (Lacey) or a decent offense good (Lynch). Don't underestimate the impact of a stud RB and there are not one but two in this draft (Gurley, Gordon).
So people in the Giants front office  
illmatic : 11:59 pm : link
told McShay that they're taking Gurley at 9 after McShay asked them about the rumors? If that's not a smokescreen, I don't know what is.
Word is born  
giantgiantfan : 4/27/2015 12:03 am : link
Boylhart says so. Take that pick to the bank cash it.
This information sounds suspicious to me.  
Gregorio : 4/27/2015 12:09 am : link
The Giants org, with a conservative culture, who are usually very tight lipped about draft interests, leaks knowledge of who they are targeting in round 1 to a draftnik reporter. That info is corroborated by Boylhart, who heard the same info from an unnamed source. It’s not impossible, but it doesn’t seem likely.

That said, if Gurley is in fact ranked very high on the Giant’s board, and is best player available, I can see them going for it. However, it also doesn’t seem likely to me that a seriously injured player would be ranked so high.

I am ready for surprises Thursday. Outside of NYG, it will be interesting to see whatever the Eagles have up their sleeve.

I can't find anything about this on Boylhart's website, The Huddle . .  
TC : 4/27/2015 12:16 am : link
Report. And he has DeVante Parker as the Giants 1st round selection in his mock draft there. If he's tweeting to Big Rick that Gurley is the pick, how does that work?

Boylhart has Gurley tagged as a 2nd round talent behind Zach Zenner.

Connect all the dots and you've got - WTF!?!?

It makes sense  
Joey in VA : 4/27/2015 12:20 am : link
Figure even if he stays healthy he's a risk to last more than 4 or 5 years at a high level in the modern NFL. How many more does Eli have? If you can pair a potential home run hitting RB who brings an 8th man in the box and you have Odell, even without Cruz, with Randle and Donnell, you have a lot of weapons to contend with. I love Jennings, but I can't see him staying healthy at 29 after last year and Williams can still be a good chain mover but a guy like Gurley IF healthy can make this a devastating offense.

Good RBs can make an OL look better just as a great OL can make a decent RB look better. If you have a defense that has to worry about a home run hitting RB and a game changing WR you create a lot of headaches. I think OL is deep enough to find a starter at 40, we did in 2004 with Snee in the 2nd we can do it here.

I'm a big fan of Flowers/Scherff/Collins but Gurley is a potential game changing player. I can honestly say after last year's home run the FO gets a pass, they can pick whoever and I'm confident it will be fine. The past two drafts have been much more productive, I'm hoping we make it three in a row.
Since when does the Giants reveal  
short lease : 4/27/2015 12:26 am : link
what they are going to do in the draft .... BEFORE the draft?
They were willing to spend a first rounder  
SirYesSir : 4/27/2015 12:28 am : link
on David Wilson, and may still be looking for that type of potential at rb....however,

considering how high our pick is, and the injury in the mix, it would be very hard to believe the giants would do this.

of course if he turns out to be adrian peterson 2.0 no one would complain
this is obviously smoke  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 12:29 am : link
Knowing Reese we are taking Flowers. But the correct pick is Scherff. Unless Fowler or Leonard William or Beasely are still there at 9. I think all 3 plus the 2 Wrs will be gone.

Shelton is tempting.
McShay keeps getting burned by the Giants  
Mason : 4/27/2015 12:54 am : link
This isn't the first time I heard he had sources which apparently have burned him. He said he heard the Giants were going CB in 2013. A couple of mock experts were told CB by someone in the organization.
RE: why is this hard to believe?  
BlueLou : 4/27/2015 12:58 am : link
In comment 12250640 GiantsFan84 said:
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I like Jennings but he isn't young, isn't cheap, and is injury prone.

Vereen is your third down change of pace back.

Williams was unspectacular and may not be more than a #2 back.

Gurley can be a star.

And the OL can be fixed in Rd 2.


It's hard to believe because Melvin Gordon is clearly the superior RB. Not even considering the ACL...

I will hate it if Hurley is the pick, over Gordon.
RE: RE: why is this hard to believe?  
SGMen : 4/27/2015 1:07 am : link
In comment 12250762 BlueLou said:
Quote:
In comment 12250640 GiantsFan84 said:


Quote:


I like Jennings but he isn't young, isn't cheap, and is injury prone.

Vereen is your third down change of pace back.

Williams was unspectacular and may not be more than a #2 back.

Gurley can be a star.

And the OL can be fixed in Rd 2.



It's hard to believe because Melvin Gordon is clearly the superior RB. Not even considering the ACL...

I will hate it if Hurley is the pick, over Gordon.
i like neither Gordon nor Gurley.
Would you draft Adrian Peterson if you had the chance?  
Anakim : 4/27/2015 1:14 am : link
Well, Gurley is as good of a complete RB since Peterson. And as we know, a QB's best friend is a good run game.


But if it makes you feel any better:


"Multiple sources" tell the Miami Herald that the Dolphins "covet" Georgia RB Todd Gurley, and "would love" for Gurley to fall to them at No. 14.
No. 14 would be considered a "fall" for Gurley, who is now seen as a probable top-ten pick. Many NFL evaluators view Gurley as one of the best all-around players in an otherwise weak 2015 draft class. The Herald spoke to Miami Heat team physician Harlan Selesnick, who said the risk of an ACL re-tear is just two percent for pro athletes. "The success rate in terms of stability is really quite good," Selesnick stated. "You don’t see a lot of guys having a repeat ACL surgery. You can usually feel comfortable taking one of those players."
To put it another way . . . .  
TC : 4/27/2015 1:22 am : link
I think there’s about as much chance of Reese taking Gurley at #9 as there is of him plopping himself down in the middle of Route 3, dosing himself with high-test and sparking up.
I think  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 1:23 am : link
if he has really risen back to top 10 status the Falcons take him especially with Ray and Gregory falling.
if Gurley fell to us  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 1:23 am : link
i would want to trade back maybe even with Mia if they want him so bad
and especially  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 1:24 am : link
if we have Flowers over Scherff. But in that case maybe take a pass rusher like Dupree or roll the dice on Ray or Gregory.
I'd rather have Gurley than Ray, Flowers and Gregory  
Anakim : 4/27/2015 1:31 am : link
.
This would be  
lester : 4/27/2015 4:10 am : link
that remote throw pick for me.
RE: Behind this current offensive line...  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2015 4:47 am : link
In comment 12250487 M.S. said:
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...Gurley sucks.


Exactly. Purse smoke screen. If one of the WRs isn't there, then the pick will most likely be OL.
Anak, please have a look at the one hour analysis  
BlueLou : 4/27/2015 5:46 am : link
of Gurley on draft breakdown, that starts with footage vs South Carolina from 2014. That's what they call it actually I think it was a 2013 game...

After about 10 mins of tape review they mention Gurley's vision "isn't as good as Gordon's." After another 10 minutes, after comparing him to AP a few times, they admit he's not as fast as AP re long runs... Then they say he's not as powerful as AP...

Gurley IS NOT AS GOOD AS GORDON...

And in this video, the guys were trying to pump Gurley!
I would love to have Gordon.  
GameFaceRadio : 4/27/2015 6:35 am : link
His suddenness and vision are top-tier, IMO.

Eli, Gordon, Vereen, OBJ, Randle and Donnell.

HE-LLO!!!
I gotta imagine this is a smokescreen  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2015 6:47 am : link
I just can't see us taking Gurley at 9.
I'm a Gurley mon  
Headhunter : 4/27/2015 6:52 am : link
.
The Vikings have Chester Taylor  
jlukes : 4/27/2015 6:53 am : link
Why would they draft Adrian Peterson?

Not drafting Gurley because we have Rashad Jennings and Andre Williams is like saying don't draft OBJ because we have Reuben Randle and Corey Washington


RE: Anak, please have a look at the one hour analysis  
section125 : 4/27/2015 6:57 am : link
In comment 12250788 BlueLou said:
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of Gurley on draft breakdown, that starts with footage vs South Carolina from 2014. That's what they call it actually I think it was a 2013 game...

After about 10 mins of tape review they mention Gurley's vision "isn't as good as Gordon's." After another 10 minutes, after comparing him to AP a few times, they admit he's not as fast as AP re long runs... Then they say he's not as powerful as AP...

Gurley IS NOT AS GOOD AS GORDON...

And in this video, the guys were trying to pump Gurley!


Well for one SY'56 thinks Gurley is better than Gordon, although the rating is close and the rating does include the injury dropping Gurley's rating.

I don't think I've seen a scouting report that has Gordon rated higher.
Sy'56 RB Scouting Report - ( New Window )
No way Gurley at 9  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2015 7:00 am : link
Cooper, Beasley or Flowers I that order. Those are Reese picks.
Mayock has Gordon over Gurley  
ZogZerg : 4/27/2015 7:10 am : link
This is all smoke folks. I thought the same thing as Matt mentioned above - the stupid Johnny football rumor that came out last year about 5 days before the draft. People here were running with it like it could actually happen. There was never a chance of that happening and not one of this happening.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants also  
Matt in SGS : 4/27/2015 7:42 am : link
In comment 12250736 section125 said:
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"wanted' Manzeil because they wanted to goad the Cowboys into a bad trade last year. I wonder if this is something similar where Dallas wants him (they could use a RB) and the Giants want to see if they can make Jerruh do something stupid.



Matt, that was my initial reaction too.



Chances are Gordon is available where the Cowboys pick. I doubt the Cowboys are worried by a rumor the Giants are looking at Gurley.


Not unless the Cowboys think they will get either Gurley or Gordon when they pick as both will be there. If they think one will be off the board, they might panic trade up somewhere earlier and give up more than the value chart will show if they feel the other might be gone too.
RE: There is truth here...  
Big Rick in FL : 4/27/2015 7:56 am : link
In comment 12250502 Sy'56 said:
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Everybody wants to call McShay or Boylhart out that they don't bother reading. One of BBIs very own & most knowledgeable draft guy on this board posts this & nobody even replies?
Remote  
rptl530 : 4/27/2015 7:59 am : link
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Thrown.
RE: RE: There is truth here...  
section125 : 4/27/2015 8:02 am : link
In comment 12250833 Big Rick in FL said:
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Everybody wants to call McShay or Boylhart out that they don't bother reading. One of BBIs very own & most knowledgeable draft guy on this board posts this & nobody even replies?


Big Rick, sorry, I don't understand what you are saying? Would you clarify?
I don't think it is likely, but would not rule it out  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:08 am : link
I would suspect he would be in the conversation.

He is the thing. There is a very good chance that Williams, Fowler, Beasley, the 2 WR, and Scherff will all be gone by our pick. I also think that group represents the group they really covet.

The likely direction is their next OL (probably Flowers), but they may see that as more needs based than talent. The question is, do you use a top 10 pick on a mid round talent because it fills a need at a premium position, or do you take the most talented player available if you feel he could be a difference maker for you?

...  
Toth029 : 4/27/2015 8:21 am : link
I don't get how people are okay with "Well, we'll draft Gurley at #9, but it's okay because there will be a great OL available in Round 2". I'm not okay with that, nor am I okay with completely ignoring the defense - again. The defense was horrendous in 2014 and they need to add many pieces to it, in all facets. I'm not big on the Danny Shelton train (at #9), but I welcome a higher level DE or DT when available. Same for an ILB if someone like Kendricks is available in Round 2. Definitely feel there needs to be two DB's added, possibly three if you go two Safeties. Corner depth is not very good when you consider Prince is on a one year deal.

I've seen the theory "Teams don't fear the Giants' run game" as if the run game was the primary reason they won two Super Bowls. The run game was dead last in 2011, and they won. Or how "He's the greatest prospect coming out since Peterson", which is BS since everybody ran the Trent Richardson train. And he's been so good. Not saying he'll be a poor player, but don't let the hype fool you. You can find quality backs handily in the later rounds. Revamp this OL and keep adding pieces to the defense. Add a receiving threat in the mid rounds and you got my vote for a great draft. The trio of Jennings-Williams-Vereen will be very good.
Gurley would be an off the reservation pick for NYG  
JonC : 4/27/2015 8:21 am : link
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Sec  
Big Rick in FL : 4/27/2015 8:23 am : link
It is Sy'56 saying there is truth to the Giants taking Gurley. Yet everybody completely ignored it. Might not happen, but we can't rule it out completely.
Talent-wise  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:24 am : link
They ~may~ see Gurley on par with the top two WRs (I have no idea, but certainly plausible).

You can say what you want about the devaluing of RBs (though I doubt the Seahawks see it this way, and I doubt the Giants do either), but a RB touches the ball far too often to be devalued so significantly. And the media and fans may not appreciate the impact a really good one (Lynch, AP, Tomlinson, etc.) can make, but I would suggest any DC who has had to figure out how to stop one of the really good ones still appreciates the value.
Hey, it's totally possible that they have a grade on Gurley  
BeerFridge : 4/27/2015 8:25 am : link
that makes them take him at 9. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.
RE: Sec  
section125 : 4/27/2015 8:27 am : link
In comment 12250859 Big Rick in FL said:
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It is Sy'56 saying there is truth to the Giants taking Gurley. Yet everybody completely ignored it. Might not happen, but we can't rule it out completely.


Gotcha. Was reading too much into it.

good chance both Gordon and Gurley are gone  
giants#1 : 4/27/2015 8:28 am : link
before the Cowboys pick. Teams that could be interested:

11. Vikings - assuming AP is traded (hopefully to OAK)
12/19. Browns
14. Dolphins
17. Chargers
23. Detroit
24. Cardinals
25. Panthers
26. Ravens

Those Cards/Panthers teams would look really good with a strong running game to complement their Ds.
RE: Gurley would be an off the reservation pick for NYG  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:29 am : link
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How do you read, Jon? Perhaps they are trying to draw a team (Miami for instance) to trade ahead for him and push one of their guys into our lap?

I have no idea who they like, but my best guess is there are 6 players, plus the 2 QBs, putting us on the outside looking in if it plays out the way many suspect.
Graziano says no way  
jeff57 : 4/27/2015 8:30 am : link
DanGrazianoESPN ·

They're not taking Gurley.

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Toth029 : 4/27/2015 8:33 am : link
The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.
Sheesh, what part of this is NOT being understood? From PFT & spot on:  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2015 8:33 am : link
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Then there’s the reality that, over the last decade, only one tailback taken in the top 10 has provided full return on the investment: Adrian Peterson in 2007. None of the seven others — Trent Richardson (No. 3) in 2012, C.J. Spiller (No. 9) in 2010, Darren McFadden (No. 4) in 2008, Reggie Bush (No. 2) in 2006, and Ronnie Brown (No. 2), Cedric Benson (No. 4), and Cadillac Williams (No. 5) in 2005 — ever performed consistently at the level their draft position suggested they would.



Or imagine this not too uncommon scenario:

Gurly misses minicamp or is riding the bike because, he's not quite ready. Then training camp he works lightly every other day as he's "improving" but still experiencing soreness..Then pre-season games he's had a "minor setback but that's not unusual at this stage of game." Then regular season "he's been practicing well after just having his knee drained."
And so on..
We can win with what we have while we fortify areas that need it..That's how you get back into contention, imv
RE: Hey, it's totally possible that they have a grade on Gurley  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 8:34 am : link
In comment 12250863 BeerFridge said:
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that makes them take him at 9. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.


Oh, sure. Possible and probable are two different things though.

If the Giants were picking 15 and lower, then I could totally see this.
Correction  
Toth029 : 4/27/2015 8:34 am : link
Sixth round. But point stands.

Giants love the RBBC approach as well, and value WR/CB/DE far more than any other position other than QB. They're not picking him.
I don't think Gurley will be there at 9  
nyg4life : 4/27/2015 8:36 am : link
From what I see the Jets are likely to get him at 6. I don't think you not take him because of need in other places. If the Giants feel he is special than they need to get him. The draft is not about needs only it's about putting the best young players in the country on your team and developing them. Free Agency is where you address needs.
RE: I'm a Gurley mon  
Jon : 4/27/2015 8:39 am : link
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When was the last time the Giants were  
Headhunter : 4/27/2015 8:41 am : link
in draft position to be able to draft a franchise running back? Tucker Fredrickson in 1965? If they see him as a game changer, they will take him
Uber  
JonC : 4/27/2015 8:42 am : link
It could be a bluff to try and get a team to move up, but I don't think either draftnik is as plugged into NYG as their notoriety might indicate.

I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.
I was waiting for a few people in the know to comment,  
Curtis in VA : 4/27/2015 8:43 am : link
and now that they have I can relax, haha.
Reportedly, Miami really likes Gurley  
jeff57 : 4/27/2015 8:44 am : link
Trade down with them and pick up at least another 3. One of the 4 OL will still be there at 14.
RE: RE: Hey, it's totally possible that they have a grade on Gurley  
BeerFridge : 4/27/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12250880 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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that makes them take him at 9. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.



Oh, sure. Possible and probable are two different things though.

If the Giants were picking 15 and lower, then I could totally see this.


Well, I actually think there's a good chance Gurley makes it to the top ten. I just don't think it will be the Giants.
RE: Uber  
jlukes : 4/27/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12250894 JonC said:
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It could be a bluff to try and get a team to move up, but I don't think either draftnik is as plugged into NYG as their notoriety might indicate.

I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.


Agreed, and blowing smoke that they might take Gurley would be a way to entice trade offers.
RE: ...  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:45 am : link
In comment 12250878 Toth029 said:
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.


I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.

For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.

Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.
If Scherff is gone, NYG's target shifts to Flowers  
JonC : 4/27/2015 8:47 am : link
or potentially Peat, thus bluffing Miami into trading spots and picking up an extra #3 pick is probably a solid strategy.
RE: RE: Uber  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:49 am : link
In comment 12250900 jlukes said:
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It could be a bluff to try and get a team to move up, but I don't think either draftnik is as plugged into NYG as their notoriety might indicate.

I'm sure NYG really likes Gurley, but I'd wager their target is placed on others as previously discussed.



Agreed, and blowing smoke that they might take Gurley would be a way to entice trade offers.


This is how I read it as well. Though I am making the case for Gurley, there is a bit of devil's advocate to my posts and I do not believe that is the direction they are focusing on. That said, there are always many opinions in a war room and it is not out of the question that some could make a case such similar to what I have outlined.
Remote throwing pick  
NNJ Tom : 4/27/2015 8:50 am : link
What? Are all the one-eyed pass rushers taken? (last pick that got the remote tossed)
You want to play ground and pound  
Headhunter : 4/27/2015 8:50 am : link
in late November & December in the NE. You need a good OL to do it, but if you had a great back, you can do it a lot easier than with Jennings & Williams
I Get That  
Toth029 : 4/27/2015 8:50 am : link
But they won two Super Bowls without Tiki. They've won by committing to a two back system (and had early round talent on the DL, i.e. Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Cofield, Alford).

They need to add a playmaker on defense but let's be honest, it's been poor for years now. Picking Kevin White or Amari Cooper would be great too because there's serious questions about Cruz's recovery and Randle's last year on his deal.
The fact that good RBs have been found late...  
Dunedin81 : 4/27/2015 8:54 am : link
and even in UDFA does not mean that every late-rounder or UDFA is going to turn into Arian Foster. If one 7th round RB out of 20 taken in a four or five year span turns into an All Pro, while one top 15 pick RB out of 4 turns into one, it doesn't mean that all you need to do to get quality RB play is to spend a 6th rounder on one.
RE: RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 8:54 am : link
In comment 12250902 UberAlias said:
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.



I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.

For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.

Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.


But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.

Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?

Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.

And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.

They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.

RE: RE: RE: ...  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2015 8:59 am : link
In comment 12250917 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.



I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.

For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.

Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.



But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.

Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?

Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.

And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.

They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.


+1
RE: I Get That  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 8:59 am : link
In comment 12250912 Toth029 said:
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But they won two Super Bowls without Tiki. They've won by committing to a two back system (and had early round talent on the DL, i.e. Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Cofield, Alford).

They need to add a playmaker on defense but let's be honest, it's been poor for years now. Picking Kevin White or Amari Cooper would be great too because there's serious questions about Cruz's recovery and Randle's last year on his deal.


I agree, but there are many ways you can win -there is no one formula. No one blueprint. But the bottom line is, regardless of where your stars line up on the field, or even which side of the ball, you need to have them, and that is the one consistency that is true of every SB team. So the question I ask with Gurley is, is the talent that good to pass up? My guess is that there are too many flags between the position and the injuries, but he may well prove to be one of those players a few years from now everyone is kicking themselves for passing up on an obvious talent.
Also, the point is not expecting 7th round picks to become all pros  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 9:00 am : link
The point is not needing to spend high picks at the RB position.

If you have the offensive line, you can can do it.

We've all seen it happen, here, recently. I'm surprised there's so much resistance to this.
RE: If Scherff is gone, NYG's target shifts to Flowers  
jlukes : 4/27/2015 9:00 am : link
In comment 12250904 JonC said:
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or potentially Peat, thus bluffing Miami into trading spots and picking up an extra #3 pick is probably a solid strategy.


Kirwan says this draft is extremely deep in the 3rd round, so teams will be looking to trade down a few spots in the 1st round in order to pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick
RE: If Scherff is gone, NYG's target shifts to Flowers  
Joe in CT : 4/27/2015 9:00 am : link
In comment 12250904 JonC said:
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or potentially Peat, thus bluffing Miami into trading spots and picking up an extra #3 pick is probably a solid strategy.


That would be music to my ears....would simply love picking up another 3!
Of course  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2015 9:02 am : link
you can have arguably the best back in the league(that was active) like Lynch and not use him with the championship on the line..
Sy'56  
Big Rick in FL : 4/27/2015 9:03 am : link
Said there is truth to it.

I don't think it is going to happen, but I don't think you can rule it out completely. Especially for a guy whose never had over 750 yards in a season & two backs who are basically good at only one thing.

Definitely more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL  
JonC : 4/27/2015 9:05 am : link
An elite tailback is a nice to have more than a must have nowadays, but I'd agree what NYG really needs is to add a special player worthy of a top 10 pick.
RE: Of course  
giants#1 : 4/27/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12250930 Big Blue '56 said:
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you can have arguably the best back in the league(that was active) like Lynch and not use him with the championship on the line..


At least if the Giants pass the ball from the one, it'll likely be too the best WR in the league, not some 3rd rate WR!

RE: RE: RE: ...  
UberAlias : 4/27/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12250917 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.



I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.

For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.

Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.



But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.

Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?

Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.

And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.

They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.


Yes, and to this all I have to say is that the one team who gets there the most and wins the most is NE and they keep reinventing themselves over and over. They aren't asking themselves, how did we get there before and try to force the same blueprint over and over. Teams have to take opportunities when they come -they can't just sit back and try and force things in the draft and in FA.
A running back at 9 is foolish.  
shabu : 4/27/2015 9:16 am : link
I can't imagine we are doing this. I think the giants want to trade down and they are putting out misinformation to get trade offers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2015 9:17 am : link
In comment 12250941 UberAlias said:
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The Redskins had a lot of success with Alfred Morris (with RGIII) in the read option system the Seahawks use. But he's been a solid back without the consistency of the Redskins QB situation has become. What round did he come? Seventh.

I'm all for getting a quality back, but you don't need to grab one early to get it.



I'm not saying they should take Gurley, but I disagree with this line of thinking.

For me it is not about getting a decent player at every position. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If your goal is to win a championship you need to have a few players who are special. Guys who are difference makers.

Picking in the top 10 for the first time in a decade, I hope the goal is not simply to get a good player, but to get a guy who when you win your next championship he is one of the ones you point to. Morris as a good player, but he is not a special player. And the Giants, who remain a team who still puts a high value on the running game, have had good players, but have not had a true franchise guy at the position since Tiki retired nearly 10 years ago.



But you've seen the Giants win without an all pro at the RB position. In fact, they had one for a few years and that didn't get them anywhere.

Who's the dominant runner on the last 5 super bowl winners?

Moreover, the Giants DO agree with your position that you need special players. They talk about it all the time. They simply believe that the special players should be at other positions. Like WR.

And, WR has been the axis on which this team has turned since 2007.

They don't beat Green Bay without Plax.
Tyree had maybe the single greatest WR play in team history.
Victor Cruz carried the Giants through 2011 and won the Christmas game against the Jets.
Nicks carried the team in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Mario Manningham had what could be the game-winning catch in his super bowl.




Yes, and to this all I have to say is that the one team who gets there the most and wins the most is NE and they keep reinventing themselves over and over. They aren't asking themselves, how did we get there before and try to force the same blueprint over and over. Teams have to take opportunities when they come -they can't just sit back and try and force things in the draft and in FA.


That will change when Brady is gone imo..With arguably the best QB ever to control things, you can pretty much adapt to any style you care to imv
It as been said by Reese over and over  
Headhunter : 4/27/2015 9:17 am : link
and some choose to still ignore it. You build the team through the draft you add Free Agents to fill needs. If you have a super star and pass on him to fill a need you will be mediocre for years to come.
We are not going RB  
MotownGIANTS : 4/27/2015 10:47 am : link
No Vereen and it is a possibility if the draft falls that way but not now ... Vereen and Harris fill holes at PR/KR 3rd down back and 3rd or 4th WR ...

The only pick you go at 9 for Off is OL or WR barring a bizarro draft and even then we trade down more than likely...
RE: I just don't believe  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 4/27/2015 11:07 am : link
So after drafting RB high last year, signing Jennings and Vereen, we would pick another HB?? with good players available at need positions (DL, WR, S, OL)??

If Reese does this, he SHOULD be fired on the spot.
What are you disgruntled about?  
drkenneth : 4/27/2015 11:13 am : link
?
Maybe cuz all of our RBs are mediocre at best?  
Big Rick in FL : 4/27/2015 11:36 am : link
Yes they do 1 or 2 things well, but Gurley does everything great.

No team is worried about Rashad whose never had over 750 yards in his career or Andre Williams who averaged a whopping 3.3 yards per carry last year. Shane Vereen whose never had more then 400 yards in a season. Who is strictly a threat receiving the ball. It's not like with Gurley we would just get rid of the other guys. They'd still get touches I'm sure. Imagine what Odell, Cruz & Randle could do if teams actually had to worry about a RB. They'd be destroying teams who are trying to stack the box. Would also take a lot of pressure off of Eli.

People are ok with taking a WR when we already have an All-Pro & Pro Bowler there plus a solid player in Randle. Don't want a RB because we have 3 guys who are average players at best. Here are the career high yards for our top 3 RBs.

Jennings - 733 yards
Vereen - 391 yards
Williams - 727 yards
I don't understand the popular belief  
djm : 4/27/2015 11:54 am : link
that RBs aren't important. Most of the elite NFL backs were drafted high. Most of the elite teams have good to great RBs.

Just because the media and even some NFL "insiders" say it doesn't make it true. Good RBs help teams win games. Good RBs are in fact hard to find. We haven't had one here in years if we had one in 2012 we make the playoffs. IF we had one last year we win 8 games by accident.

Yeah, an elite back can be huge  
BeerFridge : 4/27/2015 11:59 am : link
look at Lynch or Peterson. Those guys make up for a lot of deficiencies on the rest of their offensive teams.

I think what makes it questionable for the Giants is that they've done a good job with finding non elite but very good guys later in drafts. But given that Jerry spent a first on David Wilson, I don't think it's fair to say that the organization agrees that first round picks on RBs are a bad idea.
Bait and Switch  
Maineline : 4/27/2015 1:41 pm : link
Sounds like a pick and trade. Take Gurley and trade him to the highest bidder for their 1st round pick plus another pick or two.
RE: I don't understand the popular belief  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12251387 djm said:
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that RBs aren't important. Most of the elite NFL backs were drafted high. Most of the elite teams have good to great RBs.

Just because the media and even some NFL "insiders" say it doesn't make it true. Good RBs help teams win games. Good RBs are in fact hard to find. We haven't had one here in years if we had one in 2012 we make the playoffs. IF we had one last year we win 8 games by accident.


What we are arguing is that you don't have to spend a top 10 pick on one to get a running game that helps you win.

You can create a good RB by having a good offensive line.

Show me all these currently elite high-drafted RBs and how they played pivotal roles in winning a championship. There's only one. Marshawn Lynch, who was decidedly unimpressive at best for the first 4 years of his career.


RE: Yeah, an elite back can be huge  
BlueLou : 4/27/2015 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12251395 BeerFridge said:
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look at Lynch or Peterson. Those guys make up for a lot of deficiencies on the rest of their offensive teams.

I think what makes it questionable for the Giants is that they've done a good job with finding non elite but very good guys later in drafts. But given that Jerry spent a first on David Wilson, I don't think it's fair to say that the organization agrees that first round picks on RBs are a bad idea.


On point. I just don't think Gurley is THE GUY this year, not relative to Gordon in the 1st or other backs that will be drafted in the later rounds this year.
I'd do the trade down  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 4:07 pm : link
with Miami or someone in that range but I would hope to draft Peat instead of Flowers. Like Peat as a Beatty replacement.
And today on Giants.com  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:22 pm : link
they put up Amari Cooper vs Todd Gurley on Make the Case.. Its the first time they have ever mentioned a running back..

Here are the previous Make the Case candidates

Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff

Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Miami OT Ereck Flowers

Texas DT Malcom Brown vs. Washington DT Danny Shelton

Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat

Safety Landon Collins vs. WR Amari Cooper

Iowa OT Brandon Scherff vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat

Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. West Virginia WR Kevin White

Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Clemson DE Vic Beasley

Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff


I found that interesting..

Not reading anything into it.. but there has been ZERO mention of a RB since they started doing these Make the Case things.. and all of a sudden a RB??

Does that mean I think they will take Gurley.. NO.. but I think they are baiting someone else to try and take him..
I'm just not in love with this draft for where we are picking  
David in LA : 4/27/2015 10:41 pm : link
this is a deep draft, but the players in the top 10 feels like it has more players with glaring warts than typical draft classes. I like Gurley, but feel we'd be much better off letting JonC's scenario play out. I'm thinking Flowers would have the biggest impact on our offense. We need a road grader type to give our running game a much needed boost. Start Flowers at RT and move Pugh to LG, and you'll see a stabilizing domino effect on our starting OL.
RE: I'm just not in love with this draft for where we are picking  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:47 pm : link
In comment 12252762 David in LA said:
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this is a deep draft, but the players in the top 10 feels like it has more players with glaring warts than typical draft classes. I like Gurley, but feel we'd be much better off letting JonC's scenario play out. I'm thinking Flowers would have the biggest impact on our offense. We need a road grader type to give our running game a much needed boost. Start Flowers at RT and move Pugh to LG, and you'll see a stabilizing domino effect on our starting OL.


Im down to being OK with Cooper, Scherff, White, Flowers.. in that order..
I'm under the assumption Cooper and White are gone by the time  
David in LA : 4/27/2015 10:52 pm : link
we pick. I'd be fine with Scherff over Flowers, I'd much prefer Flowers and an extra 3rd from Miami.
RE: I'm under the assumption Cooper and White are gone by the time  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:55 pm : link
In comment 12252779 David in LA said:
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we pick. I'd be fine with Scherff over Flowers, I'd much prefer Flowers and an extra 3rd from Miami.


I think its very possible one WR could be there.. everyone has a WR pegged to Chicago but their defense is HORRIBLE..
There's also some Todd Gurley to the Jets talk floatin around  
ghost718 : 4/27/2015 11:28 pm : link
Wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are tweaking their neighbors a little bit.

Just can't see Reese taking a running back coming off an ACL with the 9th pick.He likes to gamble,but that one might put him on the Turnpike with his thumb hanging out.
RE: RE: Anak, please have a look at the one hour analysis  
BlueLou : 4/28/2015 1:34 am : link
In comment 12250808 section125 said:
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In comment 12250788 BlueLou: Quote:
of Gurley on draft breakdown, that starts with footage vs South Carolina from 2014. That's what they call it actually I think it was a 2013 game...

After about 10 mins of tape review they mention Gurley's vision "isn't as good as Gordon's." After another 10 minutes, after comparing him to AP a few times, they admit he's not as fast as AP re long runs... Then they say he's not as powerful as AP...

Gurley IS NOT AS GOOD AS GORDON...

And in this video, the guys were trying to pump Gurley!

Well for one SY'56 thinks Gurley is better than Gordon, although the rating is close and the rating does include the injury dropping Gurley's rating.

I don't think I've seen a scouting report that has Gordon rated higher. Sy'56 RB Scouting Report - ( New Window )


Well someone already mentioned Mayock's last board, and a while ago Bucky Brooks did a detailed breakdown of Gordon vs Gurley, and concluded he liked Gordon better too, with very specific rationale.

But I am not quoting sources, I suggest people look at draft breakdown tape and analysis and decide for themselves!

With due respect to Sy'56, I strongly disagree about Gurley. And I think the media has an historical bias fir Georgia RBs, an against Wisconsin RBs.... Not to mention a BBI general bias too. Rodney Hampton vs Ron Dayne, anyone care to recall?
On RB front  
Coach Mason : 4/28/2015 8:54 am : link
while I like Gurley I actually like Gordon better ...his vision and ability to anticipate is rare along with an amazing ability to dart through the smallest creases in blocking. On alot of Gurleys big runs he had huge holes to runs through while I've seen Gordon routinely make huge plays without the same type of space.

Alot of smoke screens right now. Interest in Gurley could be for leverage for trade down. Could be wrong on Scherff, but Giants board/rows will have Williams at top then Cooper (and maybe White). Peat, Flowers next.

Giants have size/arm length preferences and neither Collins nor Scherff fit their prototype like Peat and Flowers.

Love Erving and Smith too (and fit our size /build prototype fairly well) but dont see Giants taking them at 9.
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