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Drew Boylhart says Gurley to the Giants

Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2015 8:51 pm
He said he's been hearing about it for a little bit over a month now & McShay has an account with them. Says they are friends so they talk often. He said when he found out he told McShay. He said after that McShay started making calls to scouts he knows & people in the front office. McShay was told the same thing by people in the Giants organization & people inside many other organizations.

Boylhart also said he doesn't like Gurley there even if he never got hurt. Sees him as a bigger version of CJ Spiller.

I'm sure a lot of people won't believe it. Some of it is on my Twitter account where anybody can see it & the more detailed stuff he sent me through direct messages. So take it with a grain of salt, but don't be surprised come 7:15 if Todd Gurley is a New York Football Giant.

Yes I know it's kind of a luxury pick, but if he never got hurt he could have easily went 3 to the Jags. Yes I know we need a Guard, but the draft isn't only 1 round. We can get a good Guard that could come in & start right away in the 2nd & 3rd. Just look at our SB teams & the Pats this past year. They had a 1st rounder at LT. Two Undrafted players at Guard, a 4th rounder at Center & a 2nd rounder at RT. I know it's a need just doesn't have to be addressed top 10. We have 3 very high picks on the Oline already + a free agent who was a stud in 2013 and got a good contract. Richburg playing his natural position & Schwartz back is going to help the line tremendously.
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Bait and Switch  
Maineline : 4/27/2015 1:41 pm : link
Sounds like a pick and trade. Take Gurley and trade him to the highest bidder for their 1st round pick plus another pick or two.
RE: I don't understand the popular belief  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12251387 djm said:
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that RBs aren't important. Most of the elite NFL backs were drafted high. Most of the elite teams have good to great RBs.

Just because the media and even some NFL "insiders" say it doesn't make it true. Good RBs help teams win games. Good RBs are in fact hard to find. We haven't had one here in years if we had one in 2012 we make the playoffs. IF we had one last year we win 8 games by accident.


What we are arguing is that you don't have to spend a top 10 pick on one to get a running game that helps you win.

You can create a good RB by having a good offensive line.

Show me all these currently elite high-drafted RBs and how they played pivotal roles in winning a championship. There's only one. Marshawn Lynch, who was decidedly unimpressive at best for the first 4 years of his career.


RE: Yeah, an elite back can be huge  
BlueLou : 4/27/2015 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12251395 BeerFridge said:
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look at Lynch or Peterson. Those guys make up for a lot of deficiencies on the rest of their offensive teams.

I think what makes it questionable for the Giants is that they've done a good job with finding non elite but very good guys later in drafts. But given that Jerry spent a first on David Wilson, I don't think it's fair to say that the organization agrees that first round picks on RBs are a bad idea.


On point. I just don't think Gurley is THE GUY this year, not relative to Gordon in the 1st or other backs that will be drafted in the later rounds this year.
I'd do the trade down  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2015 4:07 pm : link
with Miami or someone in that range but I would hope to draft Peat instead of Flowers. Like Peat as a Beatty replacement.
And today on Giants.com  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:22 pm : link
they put up Amari Cooper vs Todd Gurley on Make the Case.. Its the first time they have ever mentioned a running back..

Here are the previous Make the Case candidates

Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff

Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Miami OT Ereck Flowers

Texas DT Malcom Brown vs. Washington DT Danny Shelton

Missouri DE Shane Ray vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat

Safety Landon Collins vs. WR Amari Cooper

Iowa OT Brandon Scherff vs. Stanford OT Andrus Peat

Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. West Virginia WR Kevin White

Nebraska DE Randy Gregory vs. Clemson DE Vic Beasley

Alabama WR Amari Cooper vs. Iowa OT Brandon Scherff


I found that interesting..

Not reading anything into it.. but there has been ZERO mention of a RB since they started doing these Make the Case things.. and all of a sudden a RB??

Does that mean I think they will take Gurley.. NO.. but I think they are baiting someone else to try and take him..
I'm just not in love with this draft for where we are picking  
David in LA : 4/27/2015 10:41 pm : link
this is a deep draft, but the players in the top 10 feels like it has more players with glaring warts than typical draft classes. I like Gurley, but feel we'd be much better off letting JonC's scenario play out. I'm thinking Flowers would have the biggest impact on our offense. We need a road grader type to give our running game a much needed boost. Start Flowers at RT and move Pugh to LG, and you'll see a stabilizing domino effect on our starting OL.
RE: I'm just not in love with this draft for where we are picking  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:47 pm : link
In comment 12252762 David in LA said:
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this is a deep draft, but the players in the top 10 feels like it has more players with glaring warts than typical draft classes. I like Gurley, but feel we'd be much better off letting JonC's scenario play out. I'm thinking Flowers would have the biggest impact on our offense. We need a road grader type to give our running game a much needed boost. Start Flowers at RT and move Pugh to LG, and you'll see a stabilizing domino effect on our starting OL.


Im down to being OK with Cooper, Scherff, White, Flowers.. in that order..
I'm under the assumption Cooper and White are gone by the time  
David in LA : 4/27/2015 10:52 pm : link
we pick. I'd be fine with Scherff over Flowers, I'd much prefer Flowers and an extra 3rd from Miami.
RE: I'm under the assumption Cooper and White are gone by the time  
blueblood : 4/27/2015 10:55 pm : link
In comment 12252779 David in LA said:
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we pick. I'd be fine with Scherff over Flowers, I'd much prefer Flowers and an extra 3rd from Miami.


I think its very possible one WR could be there.. everyone has a WR pegged to Chicago but their defense is HORRIBLE..
There's also some Todd Gurley to the Jets talk floatin around  
ghost718 : 4/27/2015 11:28 pm : link
Wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are tweaking their neighbors a little bit.

Just can't see Reese taking a running back coming off an ACL with the 9th pick.He likes to gamble,but that one might put him on the Turnpike with his thumb hanging out.
RE: RE: Anak, please have a look at the one hour analysis  
BlueLou : 4/28/2015 1:34 am : link
In comment 12250808 section125 said:
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In comment 12250788 BlueLou: Quote:
of Gurley on draft breakdown, that starts with footage vs South Carolina from 2014. That's what they call it actually I think it was a 2013 game...

After about 10 mins of tape review they mention Gurley's vision "isn't as good as Gordon's." After another 10 minutes, after comparing him to AP a few times, they admit he's not as fast as AP re long runs... Then they say he's not as powerful as AP...

Gurley IS NOT AS GOOD AS GORDON...

And in this video, the guys were trying to pump Gurley!

Well for one SY'56 thinks Gurley is better than Gordon, although the rating is close and the rating does include the injury dropping Gurley's rating.

I don't think I've seen a scouting report that has Gordon rated higher. Sy'56 RB Scouting Report - ( New Window )


Well someone already mentioned Mayock's last board, and a while ago Bucky Brooks did a detailed breakdown of Gordon vs Gurley, and concluded he liked Gordon better too, with very specific rationale.

But I am not quoting sources, I suggest people look at draft breakdown tape and analysis and decide for themselves!

With due respect to Sy'56, I strongly disagree about Gurley. And I think the media has an historical bias fir Georgia RBs, an against Wisconsin RBs.... Not to mention a BBI general bias too. Rodney Hampton vs Ron Dayne, anyone care to recall?
On RB front  
Coach Mason : 4/28/2015 8:54 am : link
while I like Gurley I actually like Gordon better ...his vision and ability to anticipate is rare along with an amazing ability to dart through the smallest creases in blocking. On alot of Gurleys big runs he had huge holes to runs through while I've seen Gordon routinely make huge plays without the same type of space.

Alot of smoke screens right now. Interest in Gurley could be for leverage for trade down. Could be wrong on Scherff, but Giants board/rows will have Williams at top then Cooper (and maybe White). Peat, Flowers next.

Giants have size/arm length preferences and neither Collins nor Scherff fit their prototype like Peat and Flowers.

Love Erving and Smith too (and fit our size /build prototype fairly well) but dont see Giants taking them at 9.
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