Nah, won't happen. He'll be wrapped around her...ummm...finger...but Tommen doesn't have it in him to be like Joffrey. Joffrey was a straight up sociopath.
now that Tywin is gone. WHo leads the Lannister family now? The uncle?
Tommen, he's the king. Other than putting Cersei in her place I think that was the purpose of the scene with Margaery and her maids, to highlight that Tommen is in power and that she's more or less an old widow out to pasture. Last week she attempted to keep her uncle Kevan around to give her some influence on the council but he clearly saw right through that.
All of a sudden the North is the most interesting place in Westeros!
When Littlefinger told Sansa to control her own fate and take vengeance for her family was her implying she should look to murder Roose and Ramsey and rule Winterfell herself? Dose Littlefinger have any idea how much of a sociopath Ramsey is? Also Ramsey's sick girlfriend doesn't seem too pleased Sansa is there.
Doe Brienne know Sansa was heading to Winterfell or was she think the wall? Her going to the wall would be interesting. Clearly they are setting up a showdown with her and Stanis, I wonder how that plays out. When will Jon Snow find out Sansa is back at Winterfell? Also Theon seems to be remembering he is Theon. Why else would he be afraid of Sansa recognizing him?
He was a very comical mix of cowardliness and arrogance. He will be missed.
Oh I gotta disagree there. Slynt is a wretched POS, he was complicit in little fingers betrayal of Ned and tried to secure the same fate for Jon by allying with Thorne and sending Jon to treat with Mance Rayder, a suicide mission for most. I was very much looking forward to seeing Slynt executed, I just didn't know it would come tonight. Pleasant surprise for book readers, I'm sure.
but he became such a joke of a character (nearly pissing himself on top the wall in the battle with the Wildlings and hiding with Gilly and her baby). Who is going to fill that comic relief role now?
I could tell you but that would technically be a spoiler,
although it has little to do with plot. Highlight below if you want my guess. It's minimal spiller info, but i don't want to offend anyone...
Tormund Giantsbane, the big ginger Wildling. He takes charge of the Wildlings who join the Watch and provides more than enough comic relief at the Wall, albeit a different kind than "Lord" Slynt
Stannis giving his nod of approval to the Snowman.
I'm torn... I'm lovin' the knowledge and support Stannis is giving Jon (plus Davos' speech), but I still want Brienne to get revenge for Renly's death. Renly was one of my favorite characters. I clapped when Jon cut Slynt's head off anyway.
The ever-changing alliances on this show are awesome.
Please, please let Sansa dispose of Theon herself.
now that Tywin is gone. WHo leads the Lannister family now? The uncle?
Tommen, he's the king. Other than putting Cersei in her place I think that was the purpose of the scene with Margaery and her maids, to highlight that Tommen is in power and that she's more or less an old widow out to pasture. Last week she attempted to keep her uncle Kevan around to give her some influence on the council but he clearly saw right through that.
Tommen doesn't hold any power other than his Kingsguard and the Kings Landing Watch. Just like Cersei's marriage to Robert allowed him loyalty from the Lannisters. Tommen wife's family at Highgarden will likely be loyal. But Kevan Lannister is now the ruling lord of Casterly Rock since she is unmarried, her brother is in the kingsguard and other brother is a convicted murder and wanted for the death of the previous lord.
The show may not want to approach the subject but basically Cersei has no real claim. Much like Sansa really doesn't have a claim to Winterfell. But since the show writers are no longer following the book maybe they will dump GoT caste system as well. But King Roberts explains it well in the first season, so it isn't any spoilers. Tywin also explains the Lannister problems in previous seasons.
Please, please let Sansa dispose of Theon herself.
I think its more likely Theon will come to her rescue in some way. Who knows how Ramsey will treat her and Ramsey's girfriend was also giving her the stink eye. Now that Theon seems to be remebering who he was, he may step up to Sansa's aid if needed.
Isn't he still hiding out with Osha in one of the Stark's bannerman's castle? What will happen when Stanis or Roose finds out there is still another male Stark somewhere in the north?
Isn't he still hiding out with Osha in one of the Stark's bannerman's castle? What will happen when Stanis or Roose finds out there is still another male Stark somewhere in the north?
Well that could only be bad for Roose and potentially good for Stannis. If he wages war against Roose and puts a Stark back in Winterfel, i'd imagine the North would love him (Stannis)
Slynt is a wretched POS, he was complicit in little fingers betrayal of Ned
I didn't remember him having that big a role. Seemed like a sniveling sycophant.
Slynt was the leader of the Gold Cloaks (the city police, more or less), who had pledged their loyalty to King Roberts true will (vis a vis Ned). He assured Ned the Gold Cloaks would support House Stark in removing Joffrey from the throne but turned on him when th moment came, with the Gold Cloaks executing most of Ned's men. This as the scene where Little Finger put the knife to Ned and reminded him that he told him not to trust him.
It's also the very reason Tyrion, upon becoming The Hand,
He was a very comical mix of cowardliness and arrogance. He will be missed.
I wish I could remember more about that guy but he draws a blank. What acts did he commit in prior seasons to elicit Jon's angry and hateful scowl as he brought down the sword?
He was a very comical mix of cowardliness and arrogance. He will be missed.
I wish I could remember more about that guy but he draws a blank. What acts did he commit in prior seasons to elicit Jon's angry and hateful scowl as he brought down the sword?
As j_rud said above, he double crossed Ned which led to his death. Jon finally got his revenge.
Kit Harrington cant act. To the extent he was hateful in carrying out the execution, it was probably the recent events -- JS hiding during the attack on Castle Black and then refusing Jon's very fair assignment. Jon made a point not to humiliate Ser Alister and Slynt but instead put them to use.
But I dont think that's the "point" of the execution of Slynt. I'd remember back to two scenes -- first from the previous episode where Jon says he cant become Lord of Winterfell because it would mean breaking his NW vows, and why would men follow him after that. Second, the first episode of the show when Ned tells the boys that if you pass sentence, you swing your own execution sword.
I think the point of the scene plus the one that led upto it is to cement Jon as the strong leader of the Nights' Watch. Forgiving if he can be yet stern when necessary. Like his father.
and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
RE: The impression I got was that Jon changed his mind
and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
He was close to accepting and Stanis thinks he will help him control the north. Being voted Lord Commander really helped him not make the hard choice but he can be replaced at the wall but not in the north as Lord Stark.
As soon as he finds out Sansa is with Bolton he will lose it.
RE: Unless Janos gave it up himself, which I suppose is plausible,
I don't think Jon Snow would have any way of knowing Slynt was involved in Ned's betrayal.
This. Adding in the other post about Ned teaching him to carry out his own sentence. He gave Slynt several opportunities to correct his situation and he spat back at him every time. The Bear would have done the same.
RE: RE: The impression I got was that Jon changed his mind
and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
Sam never pissed on Jon's authority. I didn't say that Jon sentenced Janos for being a pussy.
RE: RE: RE: The impression I got was that Jon changed his mind
and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
Sam never pissed on Jon's authority. I didn't say that Jon sentenced Janos for being a pussy.
Also, for how cowardly Sam seemed when her first joined, he stepped up big time in the battle of the Wildlings. Plus he's the only one who killed a whitewalker. I think Sam has shown he can be useful when it counts. Plus hes basically one of the only Nights watchmen who can read and write so there's that.
I agree that Jon looked like he was about to show mercy then changed his mind when Janos showed how much of a pussy he was. Janos didn't do a thing to help the Nights Watch since he got there. He only served has Allister's lackey.
He was letting Slynt show what a turd he really is (thus erasing any doubt from skeptical NW). But I dont think Jon's first act of leadership was going to be dragging a NW guy out for execution only to give a reprieve while his neck was on the block.
BTW, I assume Jon knows what happened when Ned was arrested. There were a lot of people present. I'd imagine that it is well known in Westeros what happened. Slynt probably even taunted him by referencing it. He may not know that Ned was tricked, and Slynt broke a promise, but I assume he knows that Ned was arrested and the northmen slain by Slynt and his reports. Link - ( New Window )
They're still getting their news by carrier crow which means it's highly unlikely that any extraneous information would have been sent along with the news of Ned's arrest and subsequent execution.
If Snow is aware of Slynt's involvement aside from being leader of the Gold Cloaks at the time, it would have likely only come from Slynt himself.
They're still getting their news by carrier crow which means it's highly unlikely that any extraneous information would have been sent along with the news of Ned's arrest and subsequent execution.
If Snow is aware of Slynt's involvement aside from being leader of the Gold Cloaks at the time, it would have likely only come from Slynt himself.
NW recruiters are riding throughout Westeros looking for new members. And new members are constantly coming up there. Stannis and the Onion Knight are up there and are surely up to date on the happenings.
The Wall isnt the moon. I dont know why you'd think they were information starved about such a monumental event that happened ~4 years earlier.
The entire story takes place in less than 2 years.
In the books, yes. Based on some interviews with the cast though it appears in the TV version they're doing an entire calendar year to correspond with each TV season. I think it's to help better explain the aging of some of the young cast. For example it'd be kind of stupid if they continued to try to pass off Arya as like 9 years old and Sansa 13.
Fair point, this all takes place so much more quickly in the books.
Nah, won't happen. He'll be wrapped around her...ummm...finger...but Tommen doesn't have it in him to be like Joffrey. Joffrey was a straight up sociopath.
Tommen, he's the king. Other than putting Cersei in her place I think that was the purpose of the scene with Margaery and her maids, to highlight that Tommen is in power and that she's more or less an old widow out to pasture. Last week she attempted to keep her uncle Kevan around to give her some influence on the council but he clearly saw right through that.
When Littlefinger told Sansa to control her own fate and take vengeance for her family was her implying she should look to murder Roose and Ramsey and rule Winterfell herself? Dose Littlefinger have any idea how much of a sociopath Ramsey is? Also Ramsey's sick girlfriend doesn't seem too pleased Sansa is there.
Doe Brienne know Sansa was heading to Winterfell or was she think the wall? Her going to the wall would be interesting. Clearly they are setting up a showdown with her and Stanis, I wonder how that plays out. When will Jon Snow find out Sansa is back at Winterfell? Also Theon seems to be remembering he is Theon. Why else would he be afraid of Sansa recognizing him?
Oh I gotta disagree there. Slynt is a wretched POS, he was complicit in little fingers betrayal of Ned and tried to secure the same fate for Jon by allying with Thorne and sending Jon to treat with Mance Rayder, a suicide mission for most. I was very much looking forward to seeing Slynt executed, I just didn't know it would come tonight. Pleasant surprise for book readers, I'm sure.
Tormund Giantsbane, the big ginger Wildling. He takes charge of the Wildlings who join the Watch and provides more than enough comic relief at the Wall, albeit a different kind than "Lord" Slynt
I'm torn... I'm lovin' the knowledge and support Stannis is giving Jon (plus Davos' speech), but I still want Brienne to get revenge for Renly's death. Renly was one of my favorite characters. I clapped when Jon cut Slynt's head off anyway.
The ever-changing alliances on this show are awesome.
Please, please let Sansa dispose of Theon herself.
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now that Tywin is gone. WHo leads the Lannister family now? The uncle?
Tommen, he's the king. Other than putting Cersei in her place I think that was the purpose of the scene with Margaery and her maids, to highlight that Tommen is in power and that she's more or less an old widow out to pasture. Last week she attempted to keep her uncle Kevan around to give her some influence on the council but he clearly saw right through that.
Tommen doesn't hold any power other than his Kingsguard and the Kings Landing Watch. Just like Cersei's marriage to Robert allowed him loyalty from the Lannisters. Tommen wife's family at Highgarden will likely be loyal. But Kevan Lannister is now the ruling lord of Casterly Rock since she is unmarried, her brother is in the kingsguard and other brother is a convicted murder and wanted for the death of the previous lord.
The show may not want to approach the subject but basically Cersei has no real claim. Much like Sansa really doesn't have a claim to Winterfell. But since the show writers are no longer following the book maybe they will dump GoT caste system as well. But King Roberts explains it well in the first season, so it isn't any spoilers. Tywin also explains the Lannister problems in previous seasons.
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Please, please let Sansa dispose of Theon herself.
I think its more likely Theon will come to her rescue in some way. Who knows how Ramsey will treat her and Ramsey's girfriend was also giving her the stink eye. Now that Theon seems to be remebering who he was, he may step up to Sansa's aid if needed.
Well that could only be bad for Roose and potentially good for Stannis. If he wages war against Roose and puts a Stark back in Winterfel, i'd imagine the North would love him (Stannis)
I didn't remember him having that big a role. Seemed like a sniveling sycophant.
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Slynt is a wretched POS, he was complicit in little fingers betrayal of Ned
I didn't remember him having that big a role. Seemed like a sniveling sycophant.
Slynt was the leader of the Gold Cloaks (the city police, more or less), who had pledged their loyalty to King Roberts true will (vis a vis Ned). He assured Ned the Gold Cloaks would support House Stark in removing Joffrey from the throne but turned on him when th moment came, with the Gold Cloaks executing most of Ned's men. This as the scene where Little Finger put the knife to Ned and reminded him that he told him not to trust him.
I wish I could remember more about that guy but he draws a blank. What acts did he commit in prior seasons to elicit Jon's angry and hateful scowl as he brought down the sword?
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He was a very comical mix of cowardliness and arrogance. He will be missed.
I wish I could remember more about that guy but he draws a blank. What acts did he commit in prior seasons to elicit Jon's angry and hateful scowl as he brought down the sword?
As j_rud said above, he double crossed Ned which led to his death. Jon finally got his revenge.
I did, just after responding to the post that came immediately before it.
But I dont think that's the "point" of the execution of Slynt. I'd remember back to two scenes -- first from the previous episode where Jon says he cant become Lord of Winterfell because it would mean breaking his NW vows, and why would men follow him after that. Second, the first episode of the show when Ned tells the boys that if you pass sentence, you swing your own execution sword.
I think the point of the scene plus the one that led upto it is to cement Jon as the strong leader of the Nights' Watch. Forgiving if he can be yet stern when necessary. Like his father.
Yeah, screw that guy.
Can't act? I mean sure, maybe he's no Daniel Day Lewis, but he's pretty effective I'd say.
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
As soon as he finds out Sansa is with Bolton he will lose it.
This. Adding in the other post about Ned teaching him to carry out his own sentence. He gave Slynt several opportunities to correct his situation and he spat back at him every time. The Bear would have done the same.
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and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
Sam never pissed on Jon's authority. I didn't say that Jon sentenced Janos for being a pussy.
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and swung his sword because Janos was basically announcing to the entire Night's Watch that he was a gigantic pussy, and Jon thought, "Why show mercy to this guy? He's useless to us."
That's plainly wrong. He's taken the exact opposite approach with other members of the NW. I mean, is Sam's head next on the chopping block?
Slynt was a builder anyway, so it's not like he was expected to do much fighting.
Sam never pissed on Jon's authority. I didn't say that Jon sentenced Janos for being a pussy.
Also, for how cowardly Sam seemed when her first joined, he stepped up big time in the battle of the Wildlings. Plus he's the only one who killed a whitewalker. I think Sam has shown he can be useful when it counts. Plus hes basically one of the only Nights watchmen who can read and write so there's that.
I agree that Jon looked like he was about to show mercy then changed his mind when Janos showed how much of a pussy he was. Janos didn't do a thing to help the Nights Watch since he got there. He only served has Allister's lackey.
BTW, I assume Jon knows what happened when Ned was arrested. There were a lot of people present. I'd imagine that it is well known in Westeros what happened. Slynt probably even taunted him by referencing it. He may not know that Ned was tricked, and Slynt broke a promise, but I assume he knows that Ned was arrested and the northmen slain by Slynt and his reports.
Link - ( New Window )
The should I or shouldn't I ride for Winterfell is going to be a theme all season for Jon. You can see it coming and see it foreshadowed.
If Snow is aware of Slynt's involvement aside from being leader of the Gold Cloaks at the time, it would have likely only come from Slynt himself.
If Snow is aware of Slynt's involvement aside from being leader of the Gold Cloaks at the time, it would have likely only come from Slynt himself.
NW recruiters are riding throughout Westeros looking for new members. And new members are constantly coming up there. Stannis and the Onion Knight are up there and are surely up to date on the happenings.
The Wall isnt the moon. I dont know why you'd think they were information starved about such a monumental event that happened ~4 years earlier.
Each season is approx a year, but in any event 2 years is still more than enough time for news to travel.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline - ( New Window )
In the books, yes. Based on some interviews with the cast though it appears in the TV version they're doing an entire calendar year to correspond with each TV season. I think it's to help better explain the aging of some of the young cast. For example it'd be kind of stupid if they continued to try to pass off Arya as like 9 years old and Sansa 13.