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NFT: Should the Yankees Pay ARod the $6 mill bonus

section125 : 4/27/2015 7:45 am
when he hits number 660?

It is pretty apparent that the Yankees plan on fighting to not pay ARod's $6 million bonus for tying Willie Mays. I understand they were hoping for a huge marketing windfall from the hoopla that would have/should have happened when he caught Willie and subsequently Babe, Hank and Barry.

Do the Yanks still owe ARod the money in light of the Biogenesis scam and his suspension?
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I'm sure Arod's butt is hurt  
section125 : 4/27/2015 8:41 am : link
after the suspension and the lack of support from the Yanks. I doubt he backs down.
They need to pay it  
Stu11 : 4/27/2015 8:43 am : link
listen I was absolutely for him never donning pinstripes again. However since Steinbrenner Jr. doesn't have the stones to take a big gulp, buy him out and tell him to get lost he needs to pay up ad honor a contract. Not to mention some how ARod has come back and proven he has something left in the tank. So if you didn't have the guts to tell him to get lost when you thought he was cooked why would you start getting high and mighty now? Makes no sense, but then again much of what they have done the past few years hasn't made much sense.
What is the haul for Arod this year?  
GameFaceRadio : 4/27/2015 8:45 am : link
$36 million?? Good coin for a .267 average.

In fairness, 5 HRs is waay more than I expected from him this year at this point.

I thought you were supposed to lose weight when you're off the sauce. he doesn't look that much different than before.

I remember when Pudg Rodriguez was off the sauce that first season. I didn't even think it was him.

Maybe ARod has Big Papi's supplier now.
RE: What is the haul for Arod this year?  
Dunedin81 : 4/27/2015 8:47 am : link
In comment 12250901 GameFaceRadio said:
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$36 million?? Good coin for a .267 average.

In fairness, 5 HRs is waay more than I expected from him this year at this point.

I thought you were supposed to lose weight when you're off the sauce. he doesn't look that much different than before.

I remember when Pudg Rodriguez was off the sauce that first season. I didn't even think it was him.

Maybe ARod has Big Papi's supplier now.


IDK A-Rod looked noticeably skinnier to me.
yes, without question  
mfsd : 4/27/2015 8:54 am : link
The Yanks gave him that contract, they have to honor it.

And as others have said here and elsewhere, if the Yanks didn't have an idea A-Rod was still juicing in 2007, that's on them for their ignorance

I suspect the Cardinals made a wiser decision on that front when they decided not to pay Pujols...they probably had an idea that something could go wrong on the PED front during his deal.

Now, A-Rod could do something good like donate the $6 million to a charity...but he's earned the right to take the check and go find a roulette wheel and put it on red if he so pleases.
Legally ....  
Beer Man : 4/27/2015 9:04 am : link
I think they may have to (the BBI Lawyers can better answer that). Should they reward him when he cheated to reach the milestone, I don't think so.
Absolutely.  
CRotondi : 4/27/2015 9:05 am : link
They'd only make this whole ordeal worse by not paying him.
Whatever the Contract Says  
Percy : 4/27/2015 9:21 am : link
Do it. It's that simple.
I say no  
oke49 : 4/27/2015 9:24 am : link
It seems to me that the Yankees aren't getting what they thought they were agreeing to when they signed the contract. Arod knew he was cheating when he signed and I'm assuming the Yankees did not. Legally I don't know but from a real world point of view, that's fraud.
the Yankees keep making themselves look ridiculous  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 9:38 am : link
ARod should troll the hell out of them and announce that he's giving his bonus to charity.
Vince McMahon would be proud of  
arniefez : 4/27/2015 9:40 am : link
The Steinbrenner's, Randy Levine & Cashman. They have turned Arod from hated into a fan favorite. At home he is the most popular player on the team. So much mis information in this thread. Yes the Yankees have come out and said they won't pay him the HR bonuses. His salary without the bonuses in 2015 is 22 million. The next two years it's 21 million each year. Next year he will be the 5th highest paid player on the team.
ARod should offer to donate the $6 mil  
Jeever : 4/27/2015 9:45 am : link
to a charity of his choice. He certainly doesn't need the cash. Everybody wins.
No they shouldn't  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 10:07 am : link
Im completely confused why so many Yankee fans are on the ARod "side" of anything at all. It's as though no one cares to notice anything the guy has done wrong to them or baseball or any individuals he shat on along the way. I assume part of it has to do with trying to legitimize anything he has done on the baseball field.

The Yankees signed him to an (albeit insane and stupid and embarrassing) contract and part of the way he is paid is based on his now false accomplishments. All of that stuff comes from matching ARods own approach to his accomplishments and what he is "worth" as a record setting ball player. It's why the Mets told him to fuck off
Because every insane dollar he makes goes beyond the baseball field and that's how Boras initially got him his ridiculous numbers to begin with

After Arod ruined any legacy he had and turned all his records and accomplishments into bullshit and irrelevant stats that were all falsely boosted by cheating, he made all of those marketable stats a negative instead of a positive. It's like some Yankee fans wanf to pretend like he's legit and his numbers are real. They aren't. He'll always be a fraud and a joke. The Yankees paid a historical baseball player and got left with an embarrassment on their hands. Not to mention the sheer amount of lies, the suspension that hurt the franchise and team itself, the suing of their own doctor, the dragging Yankee personal through the mud to suit himself, and the suing of the mlbpa. Why does everyone want to conveniently forget what an utter disaster this guy is? He fought th e Yankees tooth and nail for money and now the Yankees fans want th e team to just ignore it? Not only do they not want to pay him for a false record but they would rather have him cut from the team and embarrassed forever. The problem is they paid him a stupid contract and don't want to cut him and get nothing out of it. So they let him play instead because at least he should work for his money.

The Yankees are totally in the right here and people like Francesa embarrass themselves constantly by kissing his ass. He's a joke and to me the fans should be on the teams side, not his. He has a legacy that has become a negative to be associated with.
I don't know anything about this  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/27/2015 10:24 am : link
But if there was a clause that called for a $6 mil bonus if he hit 660, then why wouldn't he be entitled to it?
Yankee fans know full well what he did...  
Dunedin81 : 4/27/2015 10:28 am : link
but the idea that he is uniquely awful, that he should be the face of cheating when it consumed a good deal of the sport for a decade plus, is silly. Given a choice between taking Randy Levine's side, or Bud Selig's, and A-Rod's, a lot of us would take A-Rod's. And frankly, he is hitting right now. He would be a lot less popular if he had Carlos Beltran's slash line.
To me, they signed a contract.  
section125 : 4/27/2015 10:39 am : link
It was stupid of Hal to push this on Cashman. The Yankees were taken to the cleaners. So I think he should be paid.

Seth I would been as happy as anyone if ARod had quit, fallen on his face, or had the contract voided by his behavior in 2013/14. But he survived; won whatever battles there were behind the scenes, got himself into the best shape a 40 year old could and came to play this year. I don't like the baseball guaranteed contracts, but that is not mine to choose. If he helps them into the playoffs then good for him and good for us. I'd rather have ARod than Beltran at this point. Looks to me ARod can go 20/25 hrs, .280 ba and 80+ rbis if he stays healthy.
RE: What is the haul for Arod this year?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/27/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12250901 GameFaceRadio said:
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$36 million?? Good coin for a .267 average.



Seems strange to bring up Arod's batting average when he has been one of the best hitters in all of baseball thus far. He has a .405 OBP and a 173 wRC+ (good for 11th in MLB thus far).
hahaha....Seth's 15 year butthurt over ARod spurning the Mets  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 10:41 am : link
keeps chugging along. Never change, Seth. Keep whining to the bitter end.
RE: Yankee fans know full well what he did...You  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12251125 Dunedin81 said:
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but the idea that he is uniquely awful, that he should be the face of cheating when it consumed a good deal of the sport for a decade plus, is silly. Given a choice between taking Randy Levine's side, or Bud Selig's, and A-Rod's, a lot of us would take A-Rod's. And frankly, he is hitting right now. He would be a lot less popular if he had Carlos Beltran's slash line.


Yeah this another conveniently forgotten aspect about Arod. His final pathetic and destroying act was to cheat long after this period of "acceptance" by baseball. He did this all after already getting caught and lying. This is not the original changing that is the problem. This is a more recent issue. A uniquely Arod issue. This is long long long after the Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds fraud years.
RE: hahaha....Seth's 15 year butthurt over ARod spurning the Mets  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12251171 Greg from LI said:
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keeps chugging along. Never change, Seth. Keep whining to the bitter end.


I'm thrilled he didn't sign with the Mets. And every non Yankee fan loves that he's on the Yankees. But keep on keeping on. Let's go Rangers.
Why is ARod so hated by Yankees fans  
Deej : 4/27/2015 10:56 am : link
it cant be the steroids. The Yankees signed Pettitte to multiple contracts after his PED use broke. Yankees fans dont condemn AP for the same sin as ARod.
most Yankees fans are morons, that's why  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 10:58 am : link
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RE: Why is ARod so hated by Yankees fans  
section125 : 4/27/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12251218 Deej said:
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it cant be the steroids. The Yankees signed Pettitte to multiple contracts after his PED use broke. Yankees fans dont condemn AP for the same sin as ARod.


Pretty simple - ARod shit on Jeter after pretending to be his friend. Also, Andy was a Yankee originally and part of the group that won the multiple WS late 90's early 2000s.
I don't believe A-Rod spurned the mets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2015 11:26 am : link
wasn't the story that his agent was demanding absurd things and Phillips told him to walk?

What did he want, like, a private jet or something?
RE: RE: Yankee fans know full well what he did...You  
Dunedin81 : 4/27/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12251185 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12251125 Dunedin81 said:


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but the idea that he is uniquely awful, that he should be the face of cheating when it consumed a good deal of the sport for a decade plus, is silly. Given a choice between taking Randy Levine's side, or Bud Selig's, and A-Rod's, a lot of us would take A-Rod's. And frankly, he is hitting right now. He would be a lot less popular if he had Carlos Beltran's slash line.



Yeah this another conveniently forgotten aspect about Arod. His final pathetic and destroying act was to cheat long after this period of "acceptance" by baseball. He did this all after already getting caught and lying. This is not the original changing that is the problem. This is a more recent issue. A uniquely Arod issue. This is long long long after the Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds fraud years.


If you think the cheating has stopped you haven't been paying attention. It has slowed, perhaps, but it has not stopped. As evidenced by your closer, now on an 80-game vacation. A-Rod is what he is; one of the most talented pure hitters to ever play the game, a student of the game, and a narcissist so unwilling to accept failure that he would cheat, repeatedly, to enhance his abilities.
all due respect to our Mets fan brethren  
mfsd : 4/27/2015 11:42 am : link
but I don't see any Yankee fans (I know I sure haven't been) defending A-Rod.

His behavior over the life of the contract speaks for itself...no rehash necessary. He's mostly been a fraud and a turd.

I'm just squarely in the camp that the Yankees have to honor the contract he gave them. Buyer beware...if they chose to ignore all the signs that he was a PED guy, they have to honor the guarantee they made him.

Mets fans are no strangers to ignoring signs that some guys used PEDs, after all...
Yes, without any doubt  
Matt M. : 4/27/2015 11:43 am : link
First, they offered this deal at a time when they already knew he was a confirmed PED user. Second, I don't care if these were officially performance bonuses or marketing bonuses, or whatever else. They were offered and agree upon with the sole purpose of paying him for the milestones reached. If they are no longer marketable that is their problem. I also think if he continues to play, the other milestone bonuses are more marketable, especially if he can pass Bonds (not likely).

Lastly, as some mentioned, not paying this money isn't going to help in keeping him focused, relaxed, and productive. Why would you want to fuck with your best hitter?
RE: RE: RE: Yankee fans know full well what he did...You  
Matt M. : 4/27/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12251330 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 12251125 Dunedin81 said:


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but the idea that he is uniquely awful, that he should be the face of cheating when it consumed a good deal of the sport for a decade plus, is silly. Given a choice between taking Randy Levine's side, or Bud Selig's, and A-Rod's, a lot of us would take A-Rod's. And frankly, he is hitting right now. He would be a lot less popular if he had Carlos Beltran's slash line.



Yeah this another conveniently forgotten aspect about Arod. His final pathetic and destroying act was to cheat long after this period of "acceptance" by baseball. He did this all after already getting caught and lying. This is not the original changing that is the problem. This is a more recent issue. A uniquely Arod issue. This is long long long after the Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds fraud years.



If you think the cheating has stopped you haven't been paying attention. It has slowed, perhaps, but it has not stopped. As evidenced by your closer, now on an 80-game vacation. A-Rod is what he is; one of the most talented pure hitters to ever play the game, a student of the game, and a narcissist so unwilling to accept failure that he would cheat, repeatedly, to enhance his abilities.


dunedin - Well put. Plus, he was suspended not for a new allegation of cheating, but rather inclusion in a scandal for a period when he was already a confirmed cheater. He has not failed another drug test, even with the start of blood testing. Does that mean he is clean? No. But, he has as many official failed drug tests as plenty of other players who are very likely to have used...that number is 0.
depends on what you mean by 'defend him'  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 11:47 am : link
I'm not going to claim he was railroaded or that he didn't do it.

However, neither do I care at all, provided he produces.
Some still butthurt over ARod.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2015 11:48 am : link
That brings a smile to my face. Ah, what a great weekend it was!
RE: Yes, without any doubt  
mfsd : 4/27/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12251356 Matt M. said:
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First, they offered this deal at a time when they already knew he was a confirmed PED user. Second, I don't care if these were officially performance bonuses or marketing bonuses, or whatever else. They were offered and agree upon with the sole purpose of paying him for the milestones reached. If they are no longer marketable that is their problem. I also think if he continues to play, the other milestone bonuses are more marketable, especially if he can pass Bonds (not likely).

Lastly, as some mentioned, not paying this money isn't going to help in keeping him focused, relaxed, and productive. Why would you want to fuck with your best hitter?


I'm pretty sure they gave him this deal before he got outed as a PED users...a lot of people thought he was clean at that time.

Of course, he came into the league on a Mariners team where even the ball boys were juicing...
So much mis information  
arniefez : 4/27/2015 11:52 am : link
When Arod signed his 10 year contract before the 2008 season he was not a confirmed steroid user. That information didn't come out until 2009. Like I said before the Yankees have made Arod into a sympathetic figure when he doesn't deserve to be one. But they signed the contract and they have no legal recourse to get out of it. If Arod is smart and we know he's not but if he's smart this time he'll stay quiet play out his contract and then sue for whatever bonuses he's owed and he'll win.
A-rod's earned income to date  
WideRight : 4/27/2015 12:12 pm : link
378,000,000.00
pay him  
melojeteli4 : 4/27/2015 12:22 pm : link
He accomplished the feat. Over half the league uses some form of a performance enhancer. Players and people in general are always looking to get better physically. You're totally clueless and blind if u think otherwise
Dunedin  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 12:46 pm : link
I have no idea what fancy drugs are out there now but mejia was found using one that got him caught. You must notice that homers are down a bit. I'm sure there are always new ways but they seem to be busting guys and for most I'm sure there deterrent is there. It takes a special kind of stupid to use the one mejia for caught with. Either way do you think the Mets are happy about that? He cost them their closer and fucked over the team. My question is why Yankee fans seem to defend the crown prince of steroid deception since the initial wave of McGuire, Sosa etc..I mean he hurt the team both on and off the field. He went from all time great to joke. The team may have signed a stupid contract financially but they didn't sign up for his entire presence as an all time great being wiped away. Who exactly is buying memorabilia for home runs that are not considered legit by anyone?
They signed the contract.  
Red Dog : 4/27/2015 12:46 pm : link
They will owe him when he hits his next tater.
RE: Yes, without any doubt  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12251356 Matt M. said:
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First, they offered this deal at a time when they already knew he was a confirmed PED user. Second, I don't care if these were officially performance bonuses or marketing bonuses, or whatever else. They were offered and agree upon with the sole purpose of paying him for the milestones reached. If they are no longer marketable that is their problem. I also think if he continues to play, the other milestone bonuses are more marketable, especially if he can pass Bonds (not likely).

Lastly, as some mentioned, not paying this money isn't going to help in keeping him focused, relaxed, and productive. Why would you want to fuck with your best hitter?


None of this is true. Also the clause is for marketing home runs they can join longer market.

I think you're ignoring how much the team likely despises the man with a passion. Why would they not? He was the one who started this fiasco eandeven came after them financially.

This proves my point though. Yankee fans defending this guy instead of the team. Yankee fans should hate this guy more than anyone.
Autocorrect  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 12:53 pm : link
Sorry
you're right  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 12:54 pm : link
Yankee fans should totally be on the side of Hal, Hank and Randy on this one.
Well they didn't turn him  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 1:01 pm : link
From all time great to embarrassing asshole who ruined his career. He did that
yes, they should absolutely pay him  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/27/2015 1:41 pm : link
.
there are far worse people in baseball  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/27/2015 2:21 pm : link
than Alex Rodriguez. I'll save my scorn for them. And if MLB won't express remorse for steroids in baseball, I'm not going to get on a player for not doing it either. I hope he continues to mash.
Yes  
HomerJones45 : 4/27/2015 2:28 pm : link
unless the Yankees intend on paying up front for every player.
Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle, and a shitload of other old  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 2:28 pm : link
stars did handfuls of greenies, but that's old news, right?
When you have to  
Semipro Lineman : 4/27/2015 2:32 pm : link
use hyperbole to describe someone in order to make your point, chances are you don't have a good point...

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My question is why Yankee fans seem to defend the crown prince of steroid deception since the initial wave of McGuire, Sosa etc..


Btw, have you heard of a couple of guys named Melky and Ryan?
Ok I don't have a good point I guess.  
SethFromAstoria : 4/27/2015 3:37 pm : link
I'm defending the Yankees and the reactions are all in defense of Arod. It's pretty insane but I guess that's the opinion here. Then a new question pops up when you compare Alex Rodriguez and his extensive story in all this to melky cabrera. I mean guys get caught cheating and get suspended, the end. This was like world War III with suits of doctors and unions and going on shows to lie to everyone one last time etc
..

Point is I don't need hyperbole for you to go back and read everything about Arod. That's why I'm completely confused why I'm defending the Yankees while Yankee fans defend Arod. Like he's some sort of sad figure that needs defending for his honor and money. I mean he earned all of his money by inflating numbers anyway.
I'm not sure it's defending A-Rod to say the Yanks should pay  
BeerFridge : 4/27/2015 4:13 pm : link
what they agreed to pay a guy they had to know was juicing.

I guess it is probably defending A-Rod that he's paid the biggest penalty of anyone who was caught doing steroids. At some point, you just have to move on from this steroid shit.

We don't know who else besides A-Rod did steroids. Remember, he never actually tested positive.
the contract  
Csonka : 4/27/2015 5:31 pm : link
Either the entire contract should be voided or you paid all of the clauses. You don't get to decide that you don't want to market his home run records now.
RE: Ok I don't have a good point I guess.  
mfsd : 4/27/2015 5:53 pm : link
In comment 12251828 SethFromAstoria said:
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I'm defending the Yankees and the reactions are all in defense of Arod. It's pretty insane but I guess that's the opinion here. Then a new question pops up when you compare Alex Rodriguez and his extensive story in all this to melky cabrera. I mean guys get caught cheating and get suspended, the end. This was like world War III with suits of doctors and unions and going on shows to lie to everyone one last time etc
..

Point is I don't need hyperbole for you to go back and read everything about Arod. That's why I'm completely confused why I'm defending the Yankees while Yankee fans defend Arod. Like he's some sort of sad figure that needs defending for his honor and money. I mean he earned all of his money by inflating numbers anyway.


Seth you need to quit quibbling with us Yankee fans about A-Rod and save your venom for upcoming Rangers threads for whichever pile of scum we end up playing. Stakes are going up, we need everyone's A game
I'm worried...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/27/2015 6:32 pm : link
if the Yankees don't pay him the bonus, how will they re-sign him when his current contract expires?
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