I support law enforcement and government, but I detest the culture we have whete Cops, like the military, have this "you're with us or against us" mentality.
Being a cop, like going in the military, can be a brave and noble choice per the individual, but it does not give you extra rights, privileges, nor immunity from responsibility, accountability or all else.
Fact is, many Cops aren't heros doing the job for the good of mankind. Many are uneducated Neanderthals who like the power or being in charge, cannot see the world as a spectrum but rather black whit (no pun) good bad. They also attract gun lovers who like shooting things and don't have patience.
it's about fucking time we have some awareness and change.
Does the looting have anything to do with protesting against police officers, or does it reveal a greater problem within our urban communities?
This whole situation is disgusting. Baltimore is a fine city, and the people who live there are wonderful folks.
The misbehaviour of a group of chaotic youths are casting a negative view of that great town.
I pray for a peaceful end of this turmoil.
if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
What law did the guy break?
RE: Amazing that while these riots were going on Saturday night
No network switched from the White House Correspondents Dinner, where the media elites were yucking it up amongst themselves.
This sounds ridiculous, you do know that? Fox and CNN spent a couple hours on a Sat nite on a yearly event, missing some local disturbance that result in like a dozen arrests.
RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
What law did the guy break?
Who? Freddie Gray or Rodney King?
RE: RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
What law did the guy break?
Who? Freddie Gray or Rodney King?
Gray.
In general I agree that criminal orgs don't want a spotlight...
but inciting others to violence and chaos on the street can be another way to avoid a spotlight, can it not? As long as cops are concerned with rioting, they can't possibly keep up with any other investigations, right?
Spotlights lose their effectiveness in daylight, so turn all the floodlights on and there won't be any way to single any one suspect out. If I've been wanting to torch a place, or loot a store, or kill a rival, or steal someone's stash, a riot could be convenient cover for me, no?
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Now people are cutting fire hoses to prevent fires from being put out
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Running from police may be enough to question him but not to arrest him (especially in the fashion they did)? I do not think running from police is a crime. What did they have on him to arrest him? Why haven't we heard anything about that in two weeks?
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Running from police may be enough to question him but not to arrest him (especially in the fashion they did)? I do not think running from police is a crime. What did they have on him to arrest him? Why haven't we heard anything about that in two weeks?
Don't know the answer. Also not sure how you reasonably aprehend somebody, peacefully, that is trying to get away from you.
RE: RE: The police were investigating drug dealing in the area,
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
That certainly deserves the death penalty.
Was the question about the punishment fitting the crime? Or was the question "what law did he break?"
RE: RE: RE: The police were investigating drug dealing in the area,
and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Running from police may be enough to question him but not to arrest him (especially in the fashion they did)? I do not think running from police is a crime. What did they have on him to arrest him? Why haven't we heard anything about that in two weeks?
Don't know the answer. Also not sure how you reasonably aprehend somebody, peacefully, that is trying to get away from you.
Would be nice to know why he needed to be apprehended. Again running from police is not a crime unless it was resisting arrest and in this case the running came before the arrest and apparently was the cause of the arrest.
Which goes back to the original point the poster made to which you asked the question...
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
Which goes back to the original point the poster made to which you asked the question...
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
And again what law did he break? There is absolutely no similarity to Mike Brown here.
you can even use force to arrest someone, when appropriate. But the force that it takes to arrest someone is not the force it takes to cause a lethal spinal injury, generally speaking. There are certainly things about this that aren't known, and maybe you could extrapolate from his past dealings with law enforcement that he was less than polite and may have resisted above and beyond the flight. But if the idea that someone could enter custody in apparent good health and end up with a fatal spine injury doesn't trouble you, perhaps you need to reevaluate the way you treat news.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
Whether he had something to hide, or was actively breaking
the law, his injuries suggest police misconduct while he was in custody. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, Britt, unless police are suddenly allowed to assault people who are in their custody.
That said, I'm disheartened that the demonstrations have become violent and possibly corrupted by opportunists.
you can even use force to arrest someone, when appropriate. But the force that it takes to arrest someone is not the force it takes to cause a lethal spinal injury, generally speaking. There are certainly things about this that aren't known, and maybe you could extrapolate from his past dealings with law enforcement that he was less than polite and may have resisted above and beyond the flight. But if the idea that someone could enter custody in apparent good health and end up with a fatal spine injury doesn't trouble you, perhaps you need to reevaluate the way you treat news.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
The video clearly shows him injured and carried/dragged into the van. He was hurt before the car ride.
The fact that the police cannot come up with a reason why he was arrested is extremely troubling. The fact that they cannot explain his injury caused while being arrested for not doing anything is even more troubling,
But it's abundantly clear that some people (even on this thread) use it to dismiss the broader issues that spark these protests and even worse use it to indict the character of African-American neighborhoods.
There are elements in any society that will use the absence of authority to commit crimes.
That's a joke, right? Didn't the entire nation just witness the video of Walter Scott, the famous felon, running away only to be shot six times in the back?
you can even use force to arrest someone, when appropriate. But the force that it takes to arrest someone is not the force it takes to cause a lethal spinal injury, generally speaking. There are certainly things about this that aren't known, and maybe you could extrapolate from his past dealings with law enforcement that he was less than polite and may have resisted above and beyond the flight. But if the idea that someone could enter custody in apparent good health and end up with a fatal spine injury doesn't trouble you, perhaps you need to reevaluate the way you treat news.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
The video clearly shows him injured and carried/dragged into the van. He was hurt before the car ride.
The fact that the police cannot come up with a reason why he was arrested is extremely troubling. The fact that they cannot explain his injury caused while being arrested for not doing anything is even more troubling,
Yeah, that's how I viewed it too. His legs are dragging behind him.
Isn't it possible that they tackled him and cause the injury there? Could happen falling off a bike.
Troubling to me is that it took nearly an hour to let him see a doctor.
RE: RE: Why run if you're not doing something wrong?
Which goes back to the original point the poster made to which you asked the question...
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
And again what law did he break? There is absolutely no similarity to Mike Brown here.
My point of view is that the police were in the area investigating drug related activity. He was arrested last month and in January in the same neighborhood dealing drugs. They wanted to talk to him and he took off. Which led to a chase and apprehension.
I don't believe they singled him out because he was black and randomly decided to chase him down and, in the process, kill him.
Maybe I'm more optimistic than cynical, but if I had to choose between two scenarios on which one was more likely...
Meanwhile we have a trial for a cop killer going on
Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
Two major fires burning, one at a CVS, the other at a Senior Center. Rioters at the CVS fire used switch blades to cut the hoses. This is insanity, and the mayor is gonna have a lot of questions to answer with her comments about "giving people the space to destroy". What in the hell was this lunatic thinking?
Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
Two major fires burning, one at a CVS, the other at a Senior Center. Rioters at the CVS fire used switch blades to cut the hoses. This is insanity, and the mayor is gonna have a lot of questions to answer with her comments about "giving people the space to destroy". What in the hell was this lunatic thinking?
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
RE: RE: Meanwhile we have a trial for a cop killer going on
Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are because if you aren't you are one of the dumbest posters in the history of BBI.
RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
Police arrest millions of people a year. They go on millions of calls per year. Around 1,000 of those millions and millions of calls and arrests end up in a death.
So your comment about them shooting anyone week doesn't obey is...wrong.
RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile we have a trial for a cop killer going on
Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
The guy who murdered a cop is just not going to be the topic of a civil protest by any group in Rochester (or any other city for that matter). Also, people don't riot over police, because cops were never suppressed. For example, policeman's word will always carry more weight than a civilian's in court. How is Rochester doing anyways? I owe that town a visit, and owe myself a garbage plate fix!
RE: RE: RE: Meanwhile we have a trial for a cop killer going on
Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
Steve there is a huge difference. The tragic murder of a policeman is not the same as an entire group of people feeling that they have been abused enough by the very people meant to protect them.
In the execution of the policeman in Rochester there is no doubt who the bad guy is. In Baltimore the likely bad guy(s) appear to be covering up and withholding information.
I'm not supporting the violence which is actually hurting the very neighborhood these people live in. It is stupid. But I do understand the reason that caused the riots.
RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
The irony of a half-wit like you insulting the intelligence of law enforcement officers. You're either an imbecile or a fucking troll, either way you're awful.
RE: RE: RE: if you don't break the law you don't have an issue
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
The irony of a half-wit like you insulting the intelligence of law enforcement officers. You're either an imbecile or a fucking troll, either way you're awful.
Im actually a Summa Cum Laude Criminal Justice undergrad major. I know this subject as well as anybody.
I happen to know several Cops.
3 with college degrees, 1 without.
The 1 without is a redneck gun nut who when he saw Obama attending the Selma Memorial said "N****** visiting n******," when I challenged the hack he ran on the same lines about blacks lining up to steal air Jordan's at night.
This Cop works in PG County and shot an unarmed black man this summer. I see plenty of D student drop outs like him; fortunately he has been rejected twice by Fairfax County (though even that agency has issues see John Greer or the Feb jail death).
It's disappointing a rather professionally agency like FFX Co still has the same cover our asses our shit don't stick mentality when it comes to law enforcement accountability.
There are many many brave noble professional Cops, but they do themselves a dis service not dis similar to the thugs rioting right now.
When baseball had a major culture of steroid use, one of the reasons it has rapidly dropped is because of the outcry of honest ball players who spoke out and wanted to have integrity and get out the dirty players. They spoke, their union spoke.
It would be nice if law enforcement would have a similar about face, if the good Cops and their PR and Unions would take the lead in changing the message to weed out the ignorant tea bagging hacks.
We don't see that, they shut, cover their ass, or speak out defensively. Until that culture changes I'm afraid this will continue.
It's about assholes using the situation as an excuse and/or opportunity to be assholes.
I understand what the Mayor was trying to do here - give people a little space, some time and an opportunity to protest, grieve. That's not an unreasonable plan, but, they seemed poorly prepared for worst case scenario.
RE: the riots/looting isn't about the Gray killing
It's about assholes using the situation as an excuse and/or opportunity to be assholes.
I understand what the Mayor was trying to do here - give people a little space, some time and an opportunity to protest, grieve. That's not an unreasonable plan, but, they seemed poorly prepared for worst case scenario.
I agree with the first part of your post. There are no doubt thousands of people there who want to use this as a catalyst for positive change, and they're not the ones throwing shit and setting fires.
The second though, how could you NOT foresee this? Ferguson got ugly very quickly. At the very least you've got to be prepared for that possibility.
I support law enforcement and government, but I detest the culture we have whete Cops, like the military, have this "you're with us or against us" mentality.
Being a cop, like going in the military, can be a brave and noble choice per the individual, but it does not give you extra rights, privileges, nor immunity from responsibility, accountability or all else.
Fact is, many Cops aren't heros doing the job for the good of mankind. Many are uneducated Neanderthals who like the power or being in charge, cannot see the world as a spectrum but rather black whit (no pun) good bad. They also attract gun lovers who like shooting things and don't have patience.
it's about fucking time we have some awareness and change.
This whole situation is disgusting. Baltimore is a fine city, and the people who live there are wonderful folks.
The misbehaviour of a group of chaotic youths are casting a negative view of that great town.
I pray for a peaceful end of this turmoil.
This sounds ridiculous, you do know that? Fox and CNN spent a couple hours on a Sat nite on a yearly event, missing some local disturbance that result in like a dozen arrests.
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many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
What law did the guy break?
Who? Freddie Gray or Rodney King?
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many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
What law did the guy break?
Who? Freddie Gray or Rodney King?
Spotlights lose their effectiveness in daylight, so turn all the floodlights on and there won't be any way to single any one suspect out. If I've been wanting to torch a place, or loot a store, or kill a rival, or steal someone's stash, a riot could be convenient cover for me, no?
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
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CVS was set on fire and then people cut the fire hose when the firemen hooked it up to try and put the fire out.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
You're such a fucking weirdo
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
That certainly deserves the death penalty.
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Asking Red Sox fans since there were more of them there.
What percentage?
Oh my! Straight out of Trenton.
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and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Running from police may be enough to question him but not to arrest him (especially in the fashion they did)? I do not think running from police is a crime. What did they have on him to arrest him? Why haven't we heard anything about that in two weeks?
Don't know the answer. Also not sure how you reasonably aprehend somebody, peacefully, that is trying to get away from you.
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and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
That certainly deserves the death penalty.
Was the question about the punishment fitting the crime? Or was the question "what law did he break?"
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and when they encountered Gray and he saw them, he took off running.
Now, that's not exactly breaking the law based on that alone I guess, but they were looking for drug dealers, and Gray's arrest record is:
03-20-15 dealing cocaine
08-28-08 possession of narcotics
10-05-12 illegal gambling
01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
05-13-14 stolen property
07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
03-28-08 possession of narcotics
02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
12-04-14 possession of narcotics
03-20-08 burglary
03-20-08 possession of narcotics
09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)
(Source Maryland Dept of Justice)
Not entirely out of the question that they may have been justified in attempting to apprehend him, no?
Running from police may be enough to question him but not to arrest him (especially in the fashion they did)? I do not think running from police is a crime. What did they have on him to arrest him? Why haven't we heard anything about that in two weeks?
Don't know the answer. Also not sure how you reasonably aprehend somebody, peacefully, that is trying to get away from you.
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
That said, I'm disheartened that the demonstrations have become violent and possibly corrupted by opportunists.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
The video clearly shows him injured and carried/dragged into the van. He was hurt before the car ride.
The fact that the police cannot come up with a reason why he was arrested is extremely troubling. The fact that they cannot explain his injury caused while being arrested for not doing anything is even more troubling,
There are elements in any society that will use the absence of authority to commit crimes.
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you can even use force to arrest someone, when appropriate. But the force that it takes to arrest someone is not the force it takes to cause a lethal spinal injury, generally speaking. There are certainly things about this that aren't known, and maybe you could extrapolate from his past dealings with law enforcement that he was less than polite and may have resisted above and beyond the flight. But if the idea that someone could enter custody in apparent good health and end up with a fatal spine injury doesn't trouble you, perhaps you need to reevaluate the way you treat news.
The fact that someone has a checkered past or that he committed a crime to justify his detention (if Gray did) does not mean he deserves anything that comes his way.
The video clearly shows him injured and carried/dragged into the van. He was hurt before the car ride.
The fact that the police cannot come up with a reason why he was arrested is extremely troubling. The fact that they cannot explain his injury caused while being arrested for not doing anything is even more troubling,
Yeah, that's how I viewed it too. His legs are dragging behind him.
Isn't it possible that they tackled him and cause the injury there? Could happen falling off a bike.
Troubling to me is that it took nearly an hour to let him see a doctor.
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Which goes back to the original point the poster made to which you asked the question...
Don't break the law, and you're highly unlikely to die at the hands of the police.
Did Mike Brown or Freddie Gray deserve to die? No. Did they both directly put themselves into the situation with police that led to their death? I'd say yes.
And again what law did he break? There is absolutely no similarity to Mike Brown here.
My point of view is that the police were in the area investigating drug related activity. He was arrested last month and in January in the same neighborhood dealing drugs. They wanted to talk to him and he took off. Which led to a chase and apprehension.
I don't believe they singled him out because he was black and randomly decided to chase him down and, in the process, kill him.
Maybe I'm more optimistic than cynical, but if I had to choose between two scenarios on which one was more likely...
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
Why am I thinking of Bunny Colvin here?
Ive been saying for years, Baltimore is a big Bridgeport.
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
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Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
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many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are because if you aren't you are one of the dumbest posters in the history of BBI.
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many things are pumped up after the fact. Rodney King is a perfect example he put dozens of cops in peril on a high speed chase not to mention citizens and then resists arrest yet Los Angeles is almost burnt down because of this jerk
1) Criminals have rights
2) Alleged criminals have rights
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
4) Ironic. You are making a statement which is basically saying, don't commit a crime (however minor) or alleged crime, or else you get what you have coming.
By that same logic, one could say the riots are justified...don't kill inocent civilians if you don't want to incite a riot.
Police arrest millions of people a year. They go on millions of calls per year. Around 1,000 of those millions and millions of calls and arrests end up in a death.
So your comment about them shooting anyone week doesn't obey is...wrong.
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Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
The guy who murdered a cop is just not going to be the topic of a civil protest by any group in Rochester (or any other city for that matter). Also, people don't riot over police, because cops were never suppressed. For example, policeman's word will always carry more weight than a civilian's in court. How is Rochester doing anyways? I owe that town a visit, and owe myself a garbage plate fix!
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Here in Rochester. You don't see us rioting here. The criminal (black) knocked a cop (white) down then took his gun, put it under his chin and executed him. Don't see me in the streets.
These two situations aren't remotely in the same ball park.
All I'm saying is that you don't see people rioting over a cop being executed. Were the cops wrong in Baltimore? Yes. But this guy here murdered a police officer and it's peaceful here.
Steve there is a huge difference. The tragic murder of a policeman is not the same as an entire group of people feeling that they have been abused enough by the very people meant to protect them.
In the execution of the policeman in Rochester there is no doubt who the bad guy is. In Baltimore the likely bad guy(s) appear to be covering up and withholding information.
I'm not supporting the violence which is actually hurting the very neighborhood these people live in. It is stupid. But I do understand the reason that caused the riots.
3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
The irony of a half-wit like you insulting the intelligence of law enforcement officers. You're either an imbecile or a fucking troll, either way you're awful.
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3) Police get paid and trained to professional defuse and appropriately handle tense situations. Apprently though we have a culture where ther hacks are robitically programmed to shoot anybody who doesn't proptly obey their highness. That is what happens when you take college dropout 2nd amendmant loving morons and give them the badge.
The irony of a half-wit like you insulting the intelligence of law enforcement officers. You're either an imbecile or a fucking troll, either way you're awful.
Im actually a Summa Cum Laude Criminal Justice undergrad major. I know this subject as well as anybody.
I happen to know several Cops.
3 with college degrees, 1 without.
The 1 without is a redneck gun nut who when he saw Obama attending the Selma Memorial said "N****** visiting n******," when I challenged the hack he ran on the same lines about blacks lining up to steal air Jordan's at night.
This Cop works in PG County and shot an unarmed black man this summer. I see plenty of D student drop outs like him; fortunately he has been rejected twice by Fairfax County (though even that agency has issues see John Greer or the Feb jail death).
It's disappointing a rather professionally agency like FFX Co still has the same cover our asses our shit don't stick mentality when it comes to law enforcement accountability.
When baseball had a major culture of steroid use, one of the reasons it has rapidly dropped is because of the outcry of honest ball players who spoke out and wanted to have integrity and get out the dirty players. They spoke, their union spoke.
It would be nice if law enforcement would have a similar about face, if the good Cops and their PR and Unions would take the lead in changing the message to weed out the ignorant tea bagging hacks.
We don't see that, they shut, cover their ass, or speak out defensively. Until that culture changes I'm afraid this will continue.
I understand what the Mayor was trying to do here - give people a little space, some time and an opportunity to protest, grieve. That's not an unreasonable plan, but, they seemed poorly prepared for worst case scenario.
I understand what the Mayor was trying to do here - give people a little space, some time and an opportunity to protest, grieve. That's not an unreasonable plan, but, they seemed poorly prepared for worst case scenario.
I agree with the first part of your post. There are no doubt thousands of people there who want to use this as a catalyst for positive change, and they're not the ones throwing shit and setting fires.
The second though, how could you NOT foresee this? Ferguson got ugly very quickly. At the very least you've got to be prepared for that possibility.