What is Pugh's ceiling?

Floor.

Because he can't reach very high

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But he was hurt more than I realized. Let's see how he comes out this year - healthy, bringing some more physicality, etc...

In comment 12253825 Anakim said:

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Because he can't reach very high

That's low!

I've yet to see flashes of Pro Bowl OT talent. But he did have poor players around him on the line, so it was a tough situation for him.

I see a guy who is a 10 year starter, can be a good but not great OT and is a ? at the OG spot but everyone seems to think he could make a great OG.

2 years into it, he kind of feels more like a 2nd/3rd round talent than a 1st round talent.

I think Richburg showed me more potential during the first couple of weeks this season. I think he has a legit Pro Bowl ceiling if he can put it together from the Center spot.

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He will be a starter somewhere on this line. He's a good player.

Put me down for another one that was disappointed in him last year. That Eagle road game was so brutal. I think he'll have an average year and may surprise me, is he gonna play guard? I have no idea. We'll see. Ceiling? Average comeback year.

In comment 12253859 Route 9 in LEH said:

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Put me down for another one that was disappointed in him last year. That Eagle road game was so brutal. I think he'll have an average year and may surprise me, is he gonna play guard? I have no idea. We'll see. Ceiling? Average comeback year.

I think similar to Beatty from 2013 compared to 2014. Pugh will have a better year, but that's not saying much kind of thing.

"ceiling", but I can see him having a Luke Petitgout type career (minus the false starts). If they draft a mauler like Flowers (or even Scherff) this year, I can see the rookie starting at OG in 2015 and maybe 2016, with Pugh eventually shifting to LT and the 2015 pick sliding out to RT.

who Pugh is playing along side in 2015

In comment 12253871 Route 9 in LEH said:

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In comment 12253859 Route 9 in LEH said: I think similar to Beatty from 2013 compared to 2014. Pugh will have a better year, but that's not saying much kind of thing.

My impression was that Beatty quietly had a nice bounce back year last year, just my opinion. I think Beatty catches a lot of criticism for having one disastrous season in which the whole line was awful. I tend to give him a break. I'm probably too easy on the players though.

In comment 12253814 Giants2012 said:

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Floor.

OUCH!

I think he can be an above average T or G.

pick is proof of the giants BPA propaganda.

First, his rookie year, I'm sure they helped him out a lot, and the rest of the OL flat out sucked by comparison....

Last year, he had an injury or injuries.....when they occurred is anyone's guess....he didn't look good from the opening preseason game....with a year of experience, was he on an island his second year?

And as others have mentioned, he hasn't had much help to the left or right of him.....

where he might have been picked had JR not steered the roster into desperate straits. But he's proving to be a pro. Not sure I understand the Jumbo floor comment, cuz Eliott was a pretty damn good T for us. I think Pugh could use some real time in the weight room, because he doesn't have a lot of raw power/strength, that would complement his relative strengths in his technique, nimbleness.

That is exceedingly rare period. Nothing to do w Pugh. Pugh looks like a he may Be a solid OL but if he makes a pro bowl it most likely won't be at RT. He was playing badly before the injury. Sure the injury really messed him up but his play before that was among the worst on the OL. At this point assuming he is a sure fire long term starter is optimistic. OL is still thin and severely lacking. The need for 2 to 3 OL is still there after two early picks on the last two years.

In comment 12253937 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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pick is proof of the giants BPA propaganda.

No it isn't. Pugh was drafted in the latter stages of the 2013 draft. Why is it so hard to fathom that the Giants had a tackle rated highly at pick 20?

Wake me when the Giants draft a guard or a limited safety or unathletic front 7 guy very high in this draft or any draft for that matter.

The Giants like athletes in round 1. It's been proven time and time again. Pugh was a guy that the Giants felt could play RT in the NFL. That's an athlete that is hard to come by after round 1 and it's an expensive option via FA. That's why they took him. And they needed him. Mix of the two but make no mistake the Giants will err on the side of athletic freak in round 1. History clearly shows this.

guys that were athletic enough to play TE and buyid themselves up to play the line opposed to fat guys that could only play the line because they couldn't play any other positions, are terrific athletes. He is healthy and put on 10lbs of muscle. He isn't giving up his spot without a fight

In comment 12254032 Headhunter said:

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guys that were athletic enough to play TE and buyid themselves up to play the line opposed to fat guys that could only play the line because they couldn't play any other positions, are terrific athletes. He is healthy and put on 10lbs of muscle. He isn't giving up his spot without a fight

That is what I like about him. We know we will get his best effort. I just read a scouting report on him coming out of college that discussed how he could be limited in getting much bigger and needs to add more strength. He is athletic. It is his strength that concerns me. I always take the "well he added 10 pounds of muscle" with a grain of salt. Need to see it on the field. We shall see..

Non-mauler type OG - Pro Bowl
Mauler type OG - Backup, but won't lose games for you
LT - Backup, if healthy won't lose games, if dinged will
RT - Starter you will always be looking to upgrade

The physical limitations are real and he was definitely over-drafted.

the Giants can take a 5th round OG name David Diehl and make him into an OLT, but they can't take a 1st round, 3-year All-American OLT and turn him into an OLT.

They also couldn't -- in 4 years -- find a way to give 6'-6" Ramses Barden ONE friggin' play to run -- a jump ball fade in the endzone -- even as a damned decoy.

There are some things about football I'm just not meant to understand.

I don't have too much company with this minority opinion though.

In comment 12254206 David B. said:

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the Giants can take a 5th round OG name David Diehl and make him into an OLT, but they can't take a 1st round, 3-year All-American OLT and turn him into an OLT. They also couldn't -- in 4 years -- find a way to give 6'-6" Ramses Barden ONE friggin' play to run -- a jump ball fade in the endzone -- even as a damned decoy. There are some things about football I'm just not meant to understand.

Been a long time since we've had a stupid Ramses Barden complaint. The guy was a stiff. Period. Unathletic, poor route runner, couldn't get separation, couldn't jump. Being as tall as Plaxico Burress doesn't give you his skill set. Unfortunately.

Pugh played LT in college. Wouldn't he be better at LG than RT?

In comment 12254216 GMenLTS said:

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I don't have too much company with this minority opinion though.

I agree with that. LT is probably his best position.

In comment 12254206 David B. said:

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the Giants can take a 5th round OG name David Diehl and make him into an OLT, but they can't take a 1st round, 3-year All-American OLT and turn him into an OLT. They also couldn't -- in 4 years -- find a way to give 6'-6" Ramses Barden ONE friggin' play to run -- a jump ball fade in the endzone -- even as a damned decoy. There are some things about football I'm just not meant to understand.

You don't understand why Ramses never played despite the fact that the guy hasn't sniffed an NFL field since being released by the Giants?

Ramses wasn't an NFL WR. THe Giants hoped he would be but he wasn't. End of story. I think the Giants track record of developing WR talent speaks for itself don't you?

David Diehl was a good football player. The Giants got lucky when the drafted him in round 5. That's why the NFL draft is often referred to as a crap shoot. After round 1 the success rate gets dicey to say the least.

If, while in the red zone, the guy cant run into the corner of the endzone and either wait for a jump ball or merely draw a defender away from someone else, why keep him on the roster for 4 years?

Smart doesn't help much you're getting pushed into the backfield by Connor Barwin on Sunday night football.

In comment 12254252 David B. said:

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If, while in the red zone, the guy cant run into the corner of the endzone and either wait for a jump ball or merely draw a defender away from someone else, why keep him on the roster for 4 years?

Because they traded away an extra pick to move up to get him. When he wasn't on the exercise bike he showed ZERO while he was here. He couldn't run away from anybody.

Here are negatives (all of watch were readily apparent) from his scouting report. After reading this you scratch your head at why anyone would trade up for a guy like this:

"Negatives: Lacks the straight-line speed to get separation from top corners, and must be more consistent using his length to create last-second separation as the ball arrives. Inconsistent hands on jump balls, where he always has the advantage. Played most of his games against a lower level of competition. Does not have the open-field quickness to evade NFL corners on the edge. Tackled easier than you'd expect because of his high pad level. Must use his size better to latch onto smaller corners when run blocking."
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Players get better Strahan for example, and players get injured, the whole Goddamn team for example.

He's an NFL starter for sure, but beyond that it is anybody's guess.

was taken by the Bears with the very next pick but I guess that's the draft for you

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articles suggesting that the Giants' running game would improve if he moved to guard. Irritated or not, if Cooper and White are gone, I'd like to see Scherff in a Giants uniform, playing RT. If that were to happen, watch the running game go. As for Pugh, I think he has the quickness to play LG. He won't like it, but I see a lot of Rich Seubert in Pugh, and not just because they're both the same size.

Never quite elite but tough, versatile, likely to play multiple positions while here, and a team first guy.

If we add some talent to the OL early and Pugh can prove up his versatility to us then he becomes very valuable.