So I've been part of BBI for years now (old handle was nyjuggeranut before the BBI hacking incident). I normally don't start too many threads, moreso just chime in here and there but enjoy everything about the site and wanted to share some info.
Shortly after the 2009 draft Jerry Reese visited the church I attend. I started a post on his visit where he made several comments, one of which had to do with the Giants being extremely high on Darius Heyward-Bey. Well, I got talking to the person at my church yesterday who has connections with the Giants and set-up not only Jerry Reese's meeting, but Coach Spags visit as well a year prior to that. He told me how certain people within the organization are "ga-ga" (his words) over Todd Gurley. I asked him if Jerry Reese is one of them, and he said he wasn't sure where Reese stands but the people he knows are high on Gurley and have some influence on the draft selection. I then asked if Gurley is there at #9 and Schreff is too would the pick be Gurley? He responded by saying that if these guys had the final say then it would be Gurley hands down.
He then went on to talk about the philosophy of the organization when drafting in the 1st round and how they look for the best player, even if at times it goes against more crucial need (like OL is this year), and how he wouldn't be shocked if we heard Gurley's name being called when the Giants pick tonight.
Anyway, just wanted to pass along this little bit of info as I know Gurley's name was mentioned on here recently.
Here's hoping whomever we draft has a lengthy, impactful career with Big Blue!
Yes, thank you x 10.
It will be a facepalm of epic proportions if we draft this guy. If there is one position where we are set, it is RB. No superstars there, but 3 very capable backs. I have to believe at #9, there will be a high quality player at an area of greater need.
If they feel Gurley is that caliber player, then how could you complain?
Study of reinjuring and ACL - ( New Window )
Really dude?
B) it has the word athlete
C) it has ACL
The Giants would be a great landing spot for him. He would hardly ever face 8 in the box, and he would be with a trio of RBs, which he would need at first, given his recovery from knee surgery. Have to keep the carries manageable.
I want the Giants to fix the OL too, but if Scherrf is gone at #9 and Gurley is there, you can't blame the Giants if the take a RB.
If anyone missed it, Bill Polian had an excellent interview with Gurley, The young man came away as very football savy and cleary spends time watching tape.
None of the RBs on our roster have ever had over 780 rushing yards, 460 receiving yards or 7 TDs in a season. That's a huge problem. If you can go out & get a guy that has potential to have 2,000 total yards & 10-15 TDs a year you take him.
But if you want to ignore evidence both anecdotal (Hixon, T2, Bradford, Casey Hampton, etc) and statistical, be my guest.
How has Derrick Rose been since he tore his ACL? But he is a basketball player.
I am glad you are not my doctor.
Really dude?
Female athletes tear their ACLs at a far greater frequency than male athletes. That's where I would start the study.
But if you want to ignore evidence both anecdotal (Hixon, T2, Bradford, Casey Hampton, etc) and statistical, be my guest.
How has Derrick Rose been since he tore his ACL? But he is a basketball player.
I am glad you are not my doctor.
How bout' the players who never re-torn their ACL? You listed 4 NFL players who have re-torn + and NBA player.
What do you expect us to do with that?
I wouldn't draft the ninth pick with him. And, if it was insignificant, how come he is not going third then?
I think this is what you are getting at from the article:
"And the odds of tearing a reconstructed ACL are just 2 percent, said orthopedic surgeon Harlan Selesnick, the Miami Heat’s team physician.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article19553817.html#storylink=cpy"
2% is far higher than the likelihood of initially tearing the ACL, so that's where the increased risk comes in. Still 2% is a pretty small risk. Advances in the angle of the graft, using autologous prp or stem cells as adjuvants also make the repair stronger. Of course the knee is never the same...
I went to UM, live/work about 20 mins. from campus which is right next to Salesnick's practice and have friends who are close to Salesnick. He is ridiculously highly respected down here and has the reputation as "the guy" to go to for knee surgeries down here. (Not that we don't have other capable orthos down here, that's just his reputation).
Where in Fla. are you, btw?
Hh,
- first, you're baiting, because you know there is no mathematical certainty to a question youo pose as if there were,
- second, at #9, it comes down to differences among Scherff (if he's there), Flowers, or Peat, three guys who were heavily scouted by us and for whom the scouts/FO have a strong feel and reasonable certainty that they can slide in and play, either G or RT, THIS YEAR
- third, at #40, yes, the draft is said to be deep at OL, ok; but we haven't done the same work on Erving (the guy I would want if we weren't going OL at 9), Tomlinson, Fisher, Marpet, etc. The term "plug in" has been thrown around a lot on these threads by certain posters who feel strongly that there is greater value at #9 at positions other than OL, but is it true? Are their experience and skill sets and talent really the functional equivalent of Scherff et. al, minus maybe a small dropoff? What's the level of conviction on this? Have we heard plug-and-play on these guys from the scouts? You mean like Sintim and Austin were on d (both second rounders, but lower)?
And we're talking 2015, this year: so, while your question is straightforward and simple, the answers are not. Maybe Gurley's talent and its gap between him and the alternatives is so great, in the minds of the scouts and GM, that you take the risk that the answer to your question at #40 is no. I certainly don't know the answer to that.
That actually depends. Sometimes they take a part of another tendon in your body, other times they use a ligament from a cadaver.
http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/apr12/cover1.asp
It's still not as stable. It's a solder, not a weld.
Plus the scar tissue issues that can come up that are a complication of any surgery, especially knee surgeries.
It's still a risk. And if you do an autograft, you have a secondary injury/surgical site.
[quote] But I thought if we were to discuss the topic we should use the only study that is out there for the long term. Female athletes apparently tear it more often, but it is still useful. Plus, we have seen anecdotally about athletes having tons of issues after ACLS with there knee and other parts of their leg.
/quote]
Hamstring tears are very common after acl repairs, especially when the autograft comes from the hamstring tendon.
This article touches on it:
http://www.regenexx.com/2014/03/hamstrings-acl-surgery-complications/
Lol, I'm being totally objective.
I'm only pointing out facts. Some of which weigh in favor of taking Gurley, despite the ACL repair. And some of which don't.
As a veteran of two ACL surgeries, I'm sure you understand the situation from a unique perspective.
Some guys bounce back from a repair and they are 99.9% of what they were. Other guys never even approach 50%.
Also remember at what stage he is in. It's not as if he had an acl repair, "fully" recovered and played another season. He's still recovering from the surgery. No one has any idea how he will recover or what he will be able to do.
I understand the concern. But if the Drs say he's ok..They I'm fine with picking him.
We finally draft within the top 10 and Gurley is getting very little respect from the so-called draftniks and draft experts re: Giants.
How foolish. Gurley is a once-in-every five or ten year talent.
To even question this pick if he is there at #9, is nonsense. He should be the pick at #9 without any hesitation (if JR and the Giants brass have any clue).
Draft Gurley and hit two consecutive HRs (Beckham in 2014; Gurley in 2015).
I agree totally with you. Plus, Gurley can not only help the offense, but he can help keep our lousy "D" off the field with time of possession.
Draft your OLman in Rds. 2 or 3; there will be several who are not too far down the list in talent from Sherff and Peat.
GURLEY IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which will mean an entire transition in the organization over the next two years!!!!!!!!!!!
(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.
Reese loves those kind of guys.
Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.
Also, I just found all the Scherff talk to be too blatant for an organization that is known for keeping things close to the vest. Now, I wouldn't be disappointed if Scherff ended up as the pick, but Gurley strikes me as a Reese-type move. He's talked about how much better the offense would've been had David Wilson stayed healthy, but if Gurley's medical checks out, you're getting a considerably better back than DW.
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Sounds like there are those in the ranks that are
Beer Man : 2:19 pm : link : reply
very high on Gurley, but it seems Jerry (and maybe TC) generally have looked to day-2 or 3 for RBs (exception being Wilson)
Then again, the Giants haven't been near a position to draft a RB of this level.
Filthy, before the injury I would have agreed with you. After the injury there is a lot of uncertainty. Jerry has to be concerned if he picks him and he is not the same player or never comes back, that his job will be in jeopardy (and I bet there will be more than a few on BBI calling for his head, some of them who have argued passionately for Gurley to be the pick)
.....those are from the previous, can't miss, sure hall-of-famer Trent Richardson. So seriously, all these "can't miss, no brainer" type posts have just got to stop. IMO no RB is worth a top 10 pick in today's NFL.
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...as compact and coiled an athlete as the position has seen since Adrian Peterson.
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...has a strong core that he uses to break arm tackles and get physical leverage under blitzers in pass protection. He is a true three-down back who can be effective on screens.
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...elite combination of strength and speed. He gets yards after contact from his strength, and is fast enough to break off long touchdowns on a carry or reception. He has the rare combination to ram through linebackers and run away from defensive backs.
.....those are from the previous, can't miss, sure hall-of-famer Trent Richardson. So seriously, all these "can't miss, no brainer" type posts have just got to stop. IMO no RB is worth a top 10 pick in today's NFL.
We can play that game with any position in the NFL. You using Richardson is as bad as those guys that claim Scherff won't be any good because of other Iowa OL in the past have sucked. It's just stupid. Different players.
I understand the concern. But if the Drs say he's ok..They I'm fine with picking him.
I agree it's definitely not what it used to be. After posting, I read a recent article where it says he's already doing change of direction at speed and resistance training at speed, and has no recurrent swelling. He's far past the worst, if that's the case. Plus he's still very young, so that helps him.
If that's the case, and there is a steep drop-off between Gurley and next BPA, I guess I'm ok with it, assuming they draft another o-lineman in round 2, or have some plan to get someone else so Jerry is not a penciled-in starter.
This is why I can't believe they didn't sign another at least middle-of-the-road lineman in FA, though. We need a RT or RG (depending on where they put Pugh) b/c Jerry isn't starting quality.
It would massively suck to draft this guy, and watch our backs tackled in the backfield for 2 yard losses repeatedly, again.
Ah, gotcha, ok. I thought you might have been in Miami b/c of the Dolphins article.
Giants 101 7m
RT @McShay13: Three teams I’m hearing in Top-10 considering RB Todd Gurley
We need another impact player on offense especially for the running game. I'd love to see a bad ass take no prisoner RB on this team again. It's been ages...
He's a workhorse.