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nyjuggernaut2 : 4/30/2015 1:06 pm
So I've been part of BBI for years now (old handle was nyjuggeranut before the BBI hacking incident). I normally don't start too many threads, moreso just chime in here and there but enjoy everything about the site and wanted to share some info.

Shortly after the 2009 draft Jerry Reese visited the church I attend. I started a post on his visit where he made several comments, one of which had to do with the Giants being extremely high on Darius Heyward-Bey. Well, I got talking to the person at my church yesterday who has connections with the Giants and set-up not only Jerry Reese's meeting, but Coach Spags visit as well a year prior to that. He told me how certain people within the organization are "ga-ga" (his words) over Todd Gurley. I asked him if Jerry Reese is one of them, and he said he wasn't sure where Reese stands but the people he knows are high on Gurley and have some influence on the draft selection. I then asked if Gurley is there at #9 and Schreff is too would the pick be Gurley? He responded by saying that if these guys had the final say then it would be Gurley hands down.

He then went on to talk about the philosophy of the organization when drafting in the 1st round and how they look for the best player, even if at times it goes against more crucial need (like OL is this year), and how he wouldn't be shocked if we heard Gurley's name being called when the Giants pick tonight.

Anyway, just wanted to pass along this little bit of info as I know Gurley's name was mentioned on here recently.

Here's hoping whomever we draft has a lengthy, impactful career with Big Blue!
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Giants haven't had a running game  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2015 1:40 pm : link
to speak of for years. Are WR to C and Schwartz back on the field (maybe) going to make such a difference that you choose Gurley to run behind a running game challenged line?
Can you imagine  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 1:41 pm : link
the Giants with back to back Offensive Rookie of the Year's? Mind boggling
yikes, and I meant  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2015 1:41 pm : link
to say, thank you for posting this, nyjugs, interesting to be sure; my post was my skepticism, hope, vs. Giants doing this, not to the value of your post
I'm  
AcidTest : 4/30/2015 1:42 pm : link
sure there is support for Gurley within the organization. There is undoubtedly support for many players. But he tore his ACL less than a year ago. He has played no football since, and never in the NFL. It would also only take the slightest diminution in ability for him to lose the power and explosiveness that make him great. The difference between being great and average is decided by the smallest of margins at the highest levels of any profession, including sports. This team was also terrible running the ball, and even worse stopping the run. Reese has been moving away from players with questionable character by taking a lot of team captains. Let's hope he understands that it is also too much of a risk to use the #9 pick on a player with a major injury in the last year.
RE: I better start watching Gurley videos  
Big Rick in FL : 4/30/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12258278 blueblood said:
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just in case..


You are in for a treat!! The guy is the real deal. He is a complete fucking stud that can do everything.

People are ok with a WR at 9, but not a RB? Makes no sense to me as we are in a way better situation at WR then RB. We don't have a RB on our roster who has ever had more then 800 rushing yards, 500 receiving yards or 7 total TDs in a season.

Gurley is a guy who can run for 1300 yards, have 400 receiving yards & 15 TDs.
I would like to think that if Gurley was indeed their man  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 1:44 pm : link
that the team has gone over his latest medical records backwards and forwards many times
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2015 1:44 pm : link
RE: Giants haven't had a running game  
BigBlueShock : 4/30/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12258376 ColHowPepper said:
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to speak of for years. Are WR to C and Schwartz back on the field (maybe) going to make such a difference that you choose Gurley to run behind a running game challenged line?

There ARE more than just one pick in the draft. And by all accounts, very good OL will be available in the 2nd.

This has been explained a million times. Why do people keep acting as if this roster is final after the 1st round?
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arcarsenal : 4/30/2015 1:47 pm : link
I think most who are opposed to this just didn't see much of him. He's amazing. It would be really hard to be angry about picking him if his ACL isn't going to slow him down.
thanks for posting  
ZogZerg : 4/30/2015 1:48 pm : link
Bold move for sure. At the end of the day, I just don't see Rees pulling the trigger.

Although, I would be excited with that pick.
Eric are you trying to tell us something?  
Coach Mason : 4/30/2015 1:51 pm : link
;)
If we pick Gurley we would have to be the dumbest team in football  
Essex : 4/30/2015 1:51 pm : link
1. The guy already tore his ACL, ready or not that is a risk you don't have to take at 9. But the same people on here will say you can't blame injuries on the Giants. You want to be you can? Draft a guy like Gurley and you are asking for trouble.
2. The reason why the Giants haven't been able to run for the last how many years is because our oline has stunk. You need to repair that before you draft a running back. We do not have a right tackle for this season!!!

Gurley would be the dumbest pick we could make.
I'm sure very valid and reasonable  
santacruzom : 4/30/2015 1:52 pm : link
arguments could be made that it would be the wrong pick even if his knee were fine, given other needs on the team. But holy goddamn would I be excited to have him on the Giants!
OL would be a MUST pick in round 2  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
They had better be right about Gurley. He better be the Beckham of RB.
man  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
I would hate a running back at 9
We don't have a right tackle?  
BigBlueShock : 4/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
Huh? You guys should be embarrassed at the disrespect given to Pugh around here.
Give me a draft with the 1st four rounds like this  
Big Rick in FL : 4/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
1. Todd Gurley
2. Laken Tomlinson/Sambrailo
3. Jaquiski Tartt/Adrian Amos
4. Trey Flowers/Anthony Chickillo

Guess we cut Pugh?  
GiantFilthy : 4/30/2015 1:54 pm : link
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RE: If we pick Gurley we would have to be the dumbest team in football  
Coach Mason : 4/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12258396 Essex said:
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1. The guy already tore his ACL, ready or not that is a risk you don't have to take at 9. But the same people on here will say you can't blame injuries on the Giants. You want to be you can? Draft a guy like Gurley and you are asking for trouble.
2. The reason why the Giants haven't been able to run for the last how many years is because our oline has stunk. You need to repair that before you draft a running back. We do not have a right tackle for this season!!!

Gurley would be the dumbest pick we could make.


Gurley with one of the plug and play OL @ 40 would work quite fine actually.

You are getting arguably the top playmaker in the draft (according to some) at 9.
Ok then we don't have a guard then  
Essex : 4/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
Every indication is that the Giants want him at guard. It is not disrespect, it is the reality of the situation, BBS.
I would hate an RB at #9  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
but I would love Gurley at 9 because he is heads and shoulders above any RB since AP
Eric,  
Blackbeard : 4/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
I scrolled all the way down here to read your comment and all I found was three dots!
RE: RE: What would you do as a defense with  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/30/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12258361 njm said:
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In comment 12258342 mrvax said:


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Gurley, Vareen & Beckham onfield?



Sack Eli


+1
I hate to admit it if the Cowboys get him, it would suck so bad  
Mason : 4/30/2015 1:56 pm : link
I just don't see the Giants taking him at this point due to his injury but damn this guy has a first and second gear that some team fanbase will absolutely go nuts on.

IF the Giants still want a RB, Duke Johnson will be available later on. But the same could be said for solid OGs and WRs.
Gurley's impact is most felt  
JonC : 4/30/2015 1:56 pm : link
in yards after contact, he's a beast to tackle.

But, in pro football, a tailback tends to have a very short career, even shorter as a high-level performer. Perhaps no other position on the field absorbs the cumulative contact of a tailback. I'd be very torn to pick Gurley.
BigBlueShock  
Big Rick in FL : 4/30/2015 1:57 pm : link
I agree! I think we need a LG & I don't see that in the top 10.

Pugh is healthy again. Then we have Richburg is back at his natural position & Schwartz to RG. That is 2 upgrades without signing or drafting a single player.

Go out & get a Safety & Guard in Rounds 2 & 3. Either Jaquiski Tartt, Randall, Amos, Tomlinson, Cann, Marpet, Sambrailo, Tre Jackson.
RE: Give me a draft with the 1st four rounds like this  
Coach Mason : 4/30/2015 1:57 pm : link
In comment 12258408 Big Rick in FL said:
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1. Todd Gurley
2. Laken Tomlinson/Sambrailo
3. Jaquiski Tartt/Adrian Amos
4. Trey Flowers/Anthony Chickillo


Slight twist:

1. Todd Gurley
2. Laken Tomlinson or if one of the plug/play first round OL fall
3. Henry Anderson/Chris Conley
4. Adrian Amos
5. Durrell Eskridge/Drummond
cumulative punishment  
JonC : 4/30/2015 1:57 pm : link
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I've  
AcidTest : 4/30/2015 1:57 pm : link
seen those highlights, and also seen him in games. Great player. Power. Explosion. Speed. He's got everything. Now let's see the highlights of him running since he tore his ACL. His knee being structurally sound doesn't mean he'll have the same power, explosion, and speed when he starts playing again, especially since he's never played in the NFL. He might. But he might not. There's no way to know because he hasn't played since the injury. Reese has made a lot of risky picks over the years, which is why this roster is so depleted. He's recovered somewhat the last two years by emphasizing high character guys, but will he take this big a risk with the #9 pick?
Give me 5 years  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 1:58 pm : link
of Gurley at his best.
Acid: Who are Reese's "risky" picks?  
drkenneth : 4/30/2015 2:00 pm : link
All picks are risks. Was Chad Jones a risky pick?

RE: I've  
BeerFridge : 4/30/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12258425 AcidTest said:
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seen those highlights, and also seen him in games. Great player. Power. Explosion. Speed. He's got everything. Now let's see the highlights of him running since he tore his ACL. His knee being structurally sound doesn't mean he'll have the same power, explosion, and speed when he starts playing again, especially since he's never played in the NFL. He might. But he might not. There's no way to know because he hasn't played since the injury. Reese has made a lot of risky picks over the years, which is why this roster is so depleted. He's recovered somewhat the last two years by emphasizing high character guys, but will he take this big a risk with the #9 pick?


If he didn't have the ACL he wouldn't be available at 9 anyway.
RE: Gurley's impact is most felt  
Coach Mason : 4/30/2015 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12258421 JonC said:
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in yards after contact, he's a beast to tackle.

But, in pro football, a tailback tends to have a very short career, even shorter as a high-level performer. Perhaps no other position on the field absorbs the cumulative contact of a tailback. I'd be very torn to pick Gurley.


Fairly light load in College for a feature back. Not a major injury history prior to ACL. Agreed on shelf life but if they think this is the second coming of AP you pull the trigger regardless.
RE: Acid: Who are Reese's  
ron mexico : 4/30/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12258431 drkenneth said:
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All picks are risks. Was Chad Jones a risky pick?


JPP was pretty risky
RE: ...  
Stupendamatic : 4/30/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12258388 Eric from BBI said:
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We can embed youtube now?
Stupendamatic  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2015 2:03 pm : link
No, not at this time.
Todd Gurley  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 2:04 pm : link
will turn 21 on August 3rd
Sometimes I Think  
MojoEd : 4/30/2015 2:04 pm : link
folks here talk more than they should. I hope no one outside of us NYG fans take it seriously. Reminds me of when a friend of Belichek's son put out around draft day that the NEP were targeting J. Mayo. No one that mattered paid attention to that apparently.
at this point  
theold5j : 4/30/2015 2:04 pm : link
i would not be surprised if he was the pick. very similar to the late interest with Beckham last year.
Tremendous RB  
ij_reilly : 4/30/2015 2:06 pm : link
Vision, power, acceleration. Knows how to use his blockers.

Huge upgrade over, well, just about anyone.

He's a lot of the things that Andre Williams is not. At least not yet. Such as seeing that a little seam is, in fact, a hole; and the ability to cut back and accelerate through that seam into the second level.

I'm all in.

yep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/30/2015 2:06 pm : link
Gurley/Tomlinson would be a hell of a 1st two rounds.
RE: Acid: Who are Reese's  
AcidTest : 4/30/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12258431 drkenneth said:
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All picks are risks. Was Chad Jones a risky pick?


Nobody is counting Jones. He was injured in a car accident after the draft.

Sintim, Beckum, Barden, and the entire '09 draft except for Nicks and Beatty, the entire 2010 draft after JPP and Joseph, the entire 2011 draft except for Prince, and possibly the entire 2012 draft except for Randle.
there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2015 2:07 pm : link
are some signs here pointing to Gurley...

(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.

Reese loves those kind of guys.

Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.
Coughlin  
Rflairr : 4/30/2015 2:07 pm : link
seat is hot as hell. There is no way in hell they will use that pick on Gurley with the holes on this team
RE: Coughlin  
BeerFridge : 4/30/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12258453 Rflairr said:
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seat is hot as hell. There is no way in hell they will use that pick on Gurley with the holes on this team


Coughlin doesn't make the picks.
i see very very little chance  
hitdog42 : 4/30/2015 2:09 pm : link
that Gurley is the pick. and its not because the team doesn't like him... its because they fear injury. Not happening.
RE: there  
Essex : 4/30/2015 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12258451 Eric from BBI said:
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are some signs here pointing to Gurley...

(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.

Reese loves those kind of guys.

Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.


Football is won on the lines, all that talent is meaningless if our qb can't get enough time to pass and the stud rb doesn't get the holes to run through.
RE: RE: What would you do as a defense with  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12258361 njm said:
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Sack Eli



Same old tired bullshit. The pass protection wasn't the problem last year, it was the run blocking. If you want to cite that as a reason to not draft Gurley then fine, it is a legitimate argument, but please stop spouting the same nonsense.
I didn't see this  
Tim in Capital City : 4/30/2015 2:11 pm : link
article linked:
"Georgia's Todd Gurley No. 1 player on one team's board".

Nothing groundbreaking, but interesting nevertheless.
Link - ( New Window )
Rflair  
Big Rick in FL : 4/30/2015 2:11 pm : link
Why not? You'd think Reese wants to get a guy that possibly has the impact that Beckham did last year. You know a guy who can actually win us games? A Guard or RT isn't winning us an extra game or two. Todd Gurley certainly can. If you are on the hot seat you take a chance on a guy that can turn a team around. Not Oline in the top 10.

Out of our top 3 RBs on the roster none of them has ever had more then 780 yards rushing, 460 yards receiving or 7 total TDs in a season. Gurley has potential to gain somewhere between 1500-1800 yards & score 10+ TDs.
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