So I've been part of BBI for years now (old handle was nyjuggeranut before the BBI hacking incident). I normally don't start too many threads, moreso just chime in here and there but enjoy everything about the site and wanted to share some info.
Shortly after the 2009 draft Jerry Reese visited the church I attend. I started a post on his visit where he made several comments, one of which had to do with the Giants being extremely high on Darius Heyward-Bey. Well, I got talking to the person at my church yesterday who has connections with the Giants and set-up not only Jerry Reese's meeting, but Coach Spags visit as well a year prior to that. He told me how certain people within the organization are "ga-ga" (his words) over Todd Gurley. I asked him if Jerry Reese is one of them, and he said he wasn't sure where Reese stands but the people he knows are high on Gurley and have some influence on the draft selection. I then asked if Gurley is there at #9 and Schreff is too would the pick be Gurley? He responded by saying that if these guys had the final say then it would be Gurley hands down.
He then went on to talk about the philosophy of the organization when drafting in the 1st round and how they look for the best player, even if at times it goes against more crucial need (like OL is this year), and how he wouldn't be shocked if we heard Gurley's name being called when the Giants pick tonight.
Anyway, just wanted to pass along this little bit of info as I know Gurley's name was mentioned on here recently.
Here's hoping whomever we draft has a lengthy, impactful career with Big Blue!
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All picks are risks. Was Chad Jones a risky pick?
Nobody is counting Jones. He was injured in a car accident after the draft.
Sintim, Beckum, Barden, and the entire '09 draft except for Nicks and Beatty, the entire 2010 draft after JPP and Joseph, the entire 2011 draft except for Prince, and possibly the entire 2012 draft except for Randle.
Shit happens. BBI doesn't seem to get that. No GM hits 100%.
I'm in the Flowers camp, but if Gurley is an AP type prospect, count me in.
But would you really be shocked if Reese took Gurley?
Also, you could make a strong argument that Gurley is a top 5 player in this draft.
But would you really be shocked if Reese took Gurley?
Also, you could make a strong argument that Gurley is a top 5 player in this draft.
Exactly. This could be the greatest test of whether Reese opts for BPA over need. I think a lot of teams might have a top 5 grade for that guy. It's not nuts to think the Giants might be one of them. And if a top 5 guy falls to 9 you might choose to address your OL needs in Round 2.
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are some signs here pointing to Gurley...
(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.
Reese loves those kind of guys.
Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.
Football is won on the lines, all that talent is meaningless if our qb can't get enough time to pass and the stud rb doesn't get the holes to run through.
Then how did Odell Beckham have a record setting rookie year?
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very high on Gurley, but it seems Jerry (and maybe TC) generally have looked to day-2 or 3 for RBs (exception being Wilson)
Then again, the Giants haven't been near a position to draft a RB of this level.
A number of months ago, I think during the football season last year, I saw a piece on Gurley on CBS Sunday Morning about Gurley being the only man on a Women's book club. He joined the club because he had committed himself to improve his reading skills. If I remember correctly, he was near illiterate when he got to college, and made the active decision to work on his reading and writing skills at the same time as his physical football skills. He's a good kid, who wants to grow his mind along with his body. I like that self-awareness that he has, which is a good sign of strong character and commitment.
Then how did Odell Beckham have a record setting rookie year?
Part skill, part Eli, and part because our pass blocking was a lot better than what some posters seem to remember.
we clearly have an okay oline...it def improved last season as eli was around 9th moist protected QB i think. and our offense didnt really sputter at all...running game struggled at times yes but lack of talent maybe? i wouldnt mind a skill position ie cooper or gurley or ANYWHERE on defense except CB...i want beasley he is my first choice but people act as if we have nobody on the oline...it isnt as grim as some people think
I'm not asking for 12 years from Gurley. I just want him to be healthy and play well for the remainder of Eli's prime. That would give this team a Franchise QB, Franchise WR, and Franchise RB. Draft OL in the 2nd and keep building that line up and you have a potentially scary offense.
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are some signs here pointing to Gurley...
(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.
Reese loves those kind of guys.
Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.
Football is won on the lines, all that talent is meaningless if our qb can't get enough time to pass and the stud rb doesn't get the holes to run through.
Then how did Odell Beckham have a record setting rookie year?
What was our record the last two years? Better yet, what was our record against playoff teams the last two years??
But would you really be shocked if Reese took Gurley?
Also, you could make a strong argument that Gurley is a top 5 player in this draft.
No I wouldn't be surprised but I won't like it. The ACL scares me and I like A. Williams. And I would like to think that intelligent people learn from mistakes. Taking injured players with the 9th overall pick is fraught with danger, especially for a team that has led the league in nothing except for players on IR in recent years. Reese should know better.
we clearly have an okay oline...it def improved last season as eli was around 9th moist protected QB i think. and our offense didnt really sputter at all...running game struggled at times yes but lack of talent maybe? i wouldnt mind a skill position ie cooper or gurley or ANYWHERE on defense except CB...i want beasley he is my first choice but people act as if we have nobody on the oline...it isnt as grim as some people think
Was the Jacksonville game at the beginning of the year or at the end of the year?
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Then how did Odell Beckham have a record setting rookie year?
Part skill, part Eli, and part because our pass blocking was a lot better than what some posters seem to remember.
Right, which is basically my point.. despite so many believing our line is just in pitiful shape, Beckham lit up the league last year anyway.
Special talents like these are going to make plays regardless. Like I said before, my only reservation about Todd Gurley is his knee. Outside of that, I would have zero issue taking him at 9.
Just last year people killed the OBJ pick because we passed on OL in the 1st round.. particularly Martin. Despite Martin turning out to be very good, would anyone do it differently if they had a do-over? Of course not. Every single person would still take Beckham.
we clearly have an okay oline...it def improved last season as eli was around 9th moist protected QB i think. and our offense didnt really sputter at all...running game struggled at times yes but lack of talent maybe? i wouldnt mind a skill position ie cooper or gurley or ANYWHERE on defense except CB...i want beasley he is my first choice but people act as if we have nobody on the oline...it isnt as grim as some people think
They either don't watch it, don't understand it, or have short memories. How else could a person watch last season and come away with the notion that the pass protection was bad? Thet get the idea in their heads and won't let it go.
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In comment 12258451 Eric from BBI said:
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are some signs here pointing to Gurley...
(1) Junior entry - young.
(2) Highly-regarded play-maker.
Reese loves those kind of guys.
Also, if you team him with Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Randle, that's pretty scary.
Football is won on the lines, all that talent is meaningless if our qb can't get enough time to pass and the stud rb doesn't get the holes to run through.
Then how did Odell Beckham have a record setting rookie year?
What was our record the last two years? Better yet, what was our record against playoff teams the last two years??
And this directly correlates to the OL why exactly? It doesn't.
Strictly an OG but perhaps the top OG in this draft. He was the only OG I beleive ranked top 10 in both run and pass block in PFF
Gurley @ 9 and then Tomlinson @40 would not be a bad start to the draft
i would be torn about this pick too,love the guts and the possible upside,and in response to some previous comments i absolutely believe a stud OL gets them extra wins as they could control the ball and hold a lead which they havent managed since spags last tenure with the team
i hope this is leverage for a trade back to gain an extra 2nd round pick to spend on either a Safety or DE plus swap firsts and still take the OL they need win-win
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I'm not diminishing the importance of a strong OL but there's more than 1 round in the NFL draft. Picks have to be about maximizing value. The odds of getting a player as good as Gurley later in the draft are slim to none. There's a much better chance we can get a solid/good OL in the 2nd or 3rd round.
This is all likely moot because I don't see us taking Gurley but the guy is the real deal. I don't see how anyone could be angry at the selection after seeing what OBJ did for this offense last year all on his own.
Richburg at his natural position & Schwartz on the field is two upgrades already.
8-man box - throw to Beckham working 1on1.
2 safeties deep - hand to Gurley.
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A great RB can make a bad line look a lot better.
The value is too good to pass up IMO.
If Gurley was healthy, then I could live with it. Coming off an ACL, I can't see why they don't address either line first.
we clearly have an okay oline...it def improved last season as eli was around 9th moist protected QB i think. and our offense didnt really sputter at all...running game struggled at times yes but lack of talent maybe? i wouldnt mind a skill position ie cooper or gurley or ANYWHERE on defense except CB...i want beasley he is my first choice but people act as if we have nobody on the oline...it isnt as grim as some people think
GMEN, we all watch and many of us disagree with you. GMEN, we all watch and many of us disagree with you. Last year’s line play was a tale of two cities. On one hand, they did a very good job pass blocking. But on the other hand, their run blocking was horrendous. When it comes to run blocking John Jerry is about as milk toast as they come, he cannot be a starter this year. You want to extend Eli’s career, improve the run blocking so that other teams can’t load up the box to come after him. Gurley as good as he has been, is not going to improve the run blocking (and his knee is a big?)
8-man box - throw to Beckham working 1on1.
2 safeties deep - hand to Gurley.
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A great RB can make a bad line look a lot better.
The line with some health , year 2 of McAdoo's system and a plug and play guy @40 will be very good.
If Gurley was healthy, then I could live with it. Coming off an ACL, I can't see why they don't address either line first.
He alluded to our struggles in each of the last 2 seasons being because of the OL. The RB situation was pitiful in 2013 and I'd argue that had just as much to do with the complete ineptness of the offense as anything else did.
The RB situation is a lot better now than it was 2 years ago but none of these 3 guys are as talented as Todd Gurley.
And if he's not healthy, they wouldn't consider him. I'm sure they'd do their diligence in that regard.
I think if they take an OL at #9, that pick has to be an OT and possible future LT. That player to me is Flowers.
If not, draft the G or someone like Donovan Smith at #40.
In the second round, they could pick a Tomlinson or one of the many other good guard prospects. They could even take a Cedric Ogbuehi and have Jerry hold the fort until he's better. A guy like Donovan Smith should be there (prob a reach at 40 though).
It's ridiculous to think they can't be better on the line unless they pick an OL in round 1.
And if you are hell bent for shoring up the trenches you ought to look at the horrible job the Giants did at stopping the run first.
2) Some of you are acting like you have access to Gurley's medical records. The guys that are actually connected to pro teams are all saying the knee looks fine and is ahead of schedule
3) The OL or bust crowd are the same morons killing the team for taking some WR last year over Martin.
So, if Gurley were 100% healthy, and the knee thing never happened, Gurley would be right there with Cooper/Williams/White. And, if the medical people are telling you that the knee is good, then you've got to put him in with Cooper/Williams/White.
And there's your playmaking 1st round draft pick - Todd Gurley. It is not at all far-fetched, it is very real.
Good OL will be available in Round 2.
Safety Round 3.
I would be fine with Gurley although I'm intrigued (maybe obsessed) with the possibility of trading up for Williams.
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2015 has already been improved with Williams having a full year under his belt, Vereen signing here and Jennings hopefully healthy and staying that way with a reduced workload. The biggest problem in the run game last year was that the middle of the OL sucked, especially Walton
If Gurley was healthy, then I could live with it. Coming off an ACL, I can't see why they don't address either line first.
He alluded to our struggles in each of the last 2 seasons being because of the OL. The RB situation was pitiful in 2013 and I'd argue that had just as much to do with the complete ineptness of the offense as anything else did.
The RB situation is a lot better now than it was 2 years ago but none of these 3 guys are as talented as Todd Gurley.
And if he's not healthy, they wouldn't consider him. I'm sure they'd do their diligence in that regard.
I am sure Gurley is healthy in terms of being ready for camp or he wouldn't be talked about at 9. However, look at the odds of a person tearing a second ACL after tearing the first compared to a guy who never tore one before. It is astronomically different.
when jennings was healthy he was one of the leading rushers in the NFL.
Our O-Line has already significantly improved with Schwartz in for Jerry + year 2 Richburg replacing Walton. we will add another piece in round 2 or 3, probably Marpet