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New York Giants 1st Round Pick: OT Ereck Flowers (Miami)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2015 9:05 pm
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RE: I'm excited about our offense  
Britt in VA : 4/30/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12260387 dune69 said:
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Now let's help our defense.


This.
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Micko : 4/30/2015 9:44 pm : link
Sounded okay to me. I'm always impressed when these guys can put a couple of thoughts together.
RE: I imagine that MiamiHurricanesFan poster is masterbating right now?  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12260364 GMenLTS said:
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lol

RE: Pick  
chris r : 4/30/2015 9:45 pm : link
In comment 12260376 stretch234 said:
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People bitch Reese neglects the OL and does not get players with nasty streak. He has now used a 1, 1, & 2 the last 3 drafts and got a player with a nasty streak. Results - people still bitch

Proves the point that people bitch just to bitch

Unless Cooper fell, an OL was picked, and rather have a guy outside than inside


Perhaps you can understand the distinction between a) wanting Reese to steadily invest value picks in maintaining the OL time over instead of letting it fall of the cliff as it did a few years ago and b) not wanting Reese to out of desperation over the situation he created, all of a sudden use a lot of premium picks on OL when there are tons of other holes on the team.
The offensive line desperately needed  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2015 9:46 pm : link
an OL with a mean streak who was a good run blocker which is just what they got. Flowers has a big upside I am not sure why so many hate the pick. I like Peat more but I am happy with Flowers.
John Mara  
RetroJint : 4/30/2015 9:46 pm : link
remains the best evidence Thing about Pugh moving inside. If you don't think he can run block at tackle, why can he at guard? I think Flowers will play ROT for the Giants. Pugh will go to LG, Left Hemisphere deal, for a year, then he replaces Beatty at LOT, which is his position. Schwartz is a Right Hemisphere guy. He goes to RG.
RE: Peat should have been the pick there.  
BlueLou : 4/30/2015 9:46 pm : link
In comment 12260340 Sy'56 said:
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My only question about Peat was attitude. And frankly I want attitude even more than technical ability, just difficult to see that as clearly as technique on tape.

IMO, the Giants picked badass attitude over technique tonight, and who knows if that's right or wrong.
RE: The offensive line desperately needed  
chris r : 4/30/2015 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12260402 Jay on the Island said:
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an OL with a mean streak who was a good run blocker which is just what they got. Flowers has a big upside I am not sure why so many hate the pick. I like Peat more but I am happy with Flowers.


The 9th pick is a premium pick. Unless he's playing LT, he's not playing at a very high leverage position so he's going to have to be all pro level to be good value so high. That's a risk.
Watching film this guy can move for a guy. reminds me of Young's  
Jay in Toronto : 4/30/2015 9:47 pm : link
Famous dictum
Those Who Wanted Gurley  
looie : 4/30/2015 9:48 pm : link
You're kidding, right? 1) Drafting RBs in the 1st round is much too risky (see David Wilson), 2) SirYesSir is right: they last on avg. only 3-5 yrs. and 3) there was no need; we already have a nice stable of backs with Williams, Jennings and Vereen. Once we signed Vereen, that took care of any remote possibility of drafting an RB in the 1st round. Plus the need for an OL was just too great. I'm very happy with this pick.
Good start to the draft  
Beer Man : 4/30/2015 9:49 pm : link
Build up the trenches, helps the run game, provides more protection for Eli.
RE: RE: The offensive line desperately needed  
Britt in VA : 4/30/2015 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12260412 chris r said:
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an OL with a mean streak who was a good run blocker which is just what they got. Flowers has a big upside I am not sure why so many hate the pick. I like Peat more but I am happy with Flowers.



The 9th pick is a premium pick. Unless he's playing LT, he's not playing at a very high leverage position so he's going to have to be all pro level to be good value so high. That's a risk.


With the benefit of hindsight and knowing the end of the story, would you draft Dave Diehl, a 5th round pick, with the #9 pick overall? I would.
Flowers is a monster  
Rjanyg : 4/30/2015 9:49 pm : link
Dude can step right into the RT position. Great pick. Strongest guy in the draft. Young, nasty. Huge!

Literally a Giant!
I like it  
SomeFan : 4/30/2015 9:50 pm : link
This guy is powerful. He will do some ass kicking for us on the oline.
RE: Kid is a moron.......  
Model4001 : 4/30/2015 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12260324 Dry Lightning said:
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Just listen to this. How can you draft a guy this stupid? Link - ( New Window )

And what may I ask is your IQ, you fucking shitbag? I can't imagine it reaches three digits...
RE: RE: The offensive line desperately needed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2015 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12260412 chris r said:
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an OL with a mean streak who was a good run blocker which is just what they got. Flowers has a big upside I am not sure why so many hate the pick. I like Peat more but I am happy with Flowers.



The 9th pick is a premium pick. Unless he's playing LT, he's not playing at a very high leverage position so he's going to have to be all pro level to be good value so high. That's a risk.


Yeah, there's some projecting involved in the pick. If a guy has Left Tackle potential to your scouts, how do you say no?

Tyron Smith was also a very young unfinished high-potential player who started paying dividends after a couple of years.
RE: RE: I'm excited about our offense  
Beer Man : 4/30/2015 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12260393 Britt in VA said:
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Now let's help our defense.



This.
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I pretty much agree  
old man : 4/30/2015 9:51 pm : link
with whoever said all D the rest of our draft.
DT, then S or DE in the 3rd.
Model......  
Dry Lightning : 4/30/2015 9:51 pm : link
Definitely higher than yours. A lot higher.
Flowers looks very athletic  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/30/2015 9:51 pm : link
I am impressed with his drills. He is big and plays with a nasty attitude. Giants filled a huge need with the pick.
This is one of those guys  
illmatic : 4/30/2015 9:51 pm : link
due to his age and potential, we won't know how well or poorly the Giants did until 2 or 3 years from now. But if we can play and contribute from day 1, things will be looking pretty good in my opinion. He'll only get better with time and experience in the NFL.

I wasn't crazy about Peat so I'm not upset about that. I'd rather get the nasty guy with the higher ceiling anyway if I had to choose. Not a sexy pick but it's nice that they have another guy on the OL now. I just hope he can contribute right away at least decently like Richburg did last year despite being only 21.
RE: John Mara  
blueblood : 4/30/2015 9:53 pm : link
In comment 12260404 RetroJint said:
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remains the best evidence Thing about Pugh moving inside. If you don't think he can run block at tackle, why can he at guard? I think Flowers will play ROT for the Giants. Pugh will go to LG, Left Hemisphere deal, for a year, then he replaces Beatty at LOT, which is his position. Schwartz is a Right Hemisphere guy. He goes to RG.


agree 100%
I did want Peat  
JonC : 4/30/2015 9:54 pm : link
but the info was Flowers if Scherff was gone. Thanks, dudes.

RE: This is one of those guys  
SGMen : 4/30/2015 9:56 pm : link
In comment 12260445 illmatic said:
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due to his age and potential, we won't know how well or poorly the Giants did until 2 or 3 years from now. But if we can play and contribute from day 1, things will be looking pretty good in my opinion. He'll only get better with time and experience in the NFL.

I wasn't crazy about Peat so I'm not upset about that. I'd rather get the nasty guy with the higher ceiling anyway if I had to choose. Not a sexy pick but it's nice that they have another guy on the OL now. I just hope he can contribute right away at least decently like Richburg did last year despite being only 21.
Nasty man who can maul but needs work in pass protection. I just think he ends up "learning" his rookie year. I don't think he starts at RT at least. Maybe OG if he works hard.
If he pans out at LG or RT  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/30/2015 9:57 pm : link
the trickle down effect could be huge. Shifting Pugh to LG and the return of Schwartz. Weston in his 2nd year. They could really have a power run game reminiscent of 2008.
My mock is off to a good start  
Mason : 4/30/2015 9:57 pm : link
Now only need to land McKinney or Jones in round 2.
RE: Model......  
David in LA : 4/30/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12260440 Dry Lightning said:
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Definitely higher than yours. A lot higher.


I'd like you to clarify your observation that the kid is a moron based off an interview. Point out specifics.
RE: This is one of those guys  
David in LA : 4/30/2015 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12260445 illmatic said:
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due to his age and potential, we won't know how well or poorly the Giants did until 2 or 3 years from now. But if we can play and contribute from day 1, things will be looking pretty good in my opinion. He'll only get better with time and experience in the NFL.

I wasn't crazy about Peat so I'm not upset about that. I'd rather get the nasty guy with the higher ceiling anyway if I had to choose. Not a sexy pick but it's nice that they have another guy on the OL now. I just hope he can contribute right away at least decently like Richburg did last year despite being only 21.


Agreed 100%. We haven't had any nastiness since Snee. I'm looking forward to seeing this kid blow up the guy in front of him every Sunday.
Now I want  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2015 10:03 pm : link
Stephone Anthony, Odi, or Preston Smith in the 2nd.
From Tom C, who does not trade in hyperbole often  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2015 10:03 pm : link
Dan Salomone

Coughlin said Flowers is a tackle and could play either side. #GiantsDraft
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Don't be shocked if OL  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2015 10:04 pm : link
Isn't the 2nd or 3rd pick too.

This OL had zero depth.
Thrilled with this pick  
arniefez : 4/30/2015 10:06 pm : link
put Schwartz next to him at RG and the Giants have a power right side of the line. They won 2 super bowls with a power RG and RT.
RE: RE: Its not a reach pick  
81_Great_Dane : 4/30/2015 10:09 pm : link
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The beat writers have been saying for weeks they were high on him

. Yes but did you ever see any mocks with him going in the too 10 to anyone besides us? No. Because he's not a top 10 talent. He's just the top linemen on their board.

I saw several Flowers-to-the-Giants predictions, not sure where, don't have a link. It was a popular prediction among people who thought 1) the Giants HAD to go O-line and 2) Scherff would be gone.
Flowers is going to RT  
gmenrule : 4/30/2015 10:10 pm : link
for one year. Then he will replace Beatty at LT when his contract expires. We will be drafting another RT in a year or 2. Flowers is young, huge, and nasty. What the hell is not to like ?
If he can replace Beatty  
Mr. Nickels : 4/30/2015 10:10 pm : link
and is meaner than Peat (who reminds me of Beatty) than fine. Long term picking this high we should get our future Left tackle.
He is not BPA at 9  
MotownGIANTS : 4/30/2015 10:11 pm : link
but from what it seems is the areas he lack in are all coachable and technique based....

Hopefully it pans out ....
RE: Don't be shocked if OL  
Mason : 4/30/2015 10:14 pm : link
In comment 12260528 Giants2012 said:
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Isn't the 2nd or 3rd pick too.

This OL had zero depth.


I still thinking the Giants are somehow going to get Marpet. Another guy they really like.
RE: RE: RE: Its not a reach pick  
UberAlias : 4/30/2015 10:15 pm : link
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The beat writers have been saying for weeks they were high on him

. Yes but did you ever see any mocks with him going in the too 10 to anyone besides us? No. Because he's not a top 10 talent. He's just the top linemen on their board.


I saw several Flothe-Giants predictions, not sure where, don't have a link. It was a popular prediction among people who thought 1) the Giants HAD to go O-line and 2) Scherff would be gone.
. Yes, he made a lot of sense for the Giants. it was not a well kept secret they liked him. But was a need based pick, imo. The selections ahead of us did not help.
RE: RE: RE: Its not a reach pick  
Mason : 4/30/2015 10:15 pm : link
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The beat writers have been saying for weeks they were high on him

. Yes but did you ever see any mocks with him going in the too 10 to anyone besides us? No. Because he's not a top 10 talent. He's just the top linemen on their board.


I saw several Flowers-to-the-Giants predictions, not sure where, don't have a link. It was a popular prediction among people who thought 1) the Giants HAD to go O-line and 2) Scherff would be gone.


WalterFootball had Flowers to Giants two months ago. I don't get the shock or awe.
what was ef wonderlick score?  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 4/30/2015 10:17 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Its not a reach pick  
blueblood : 4/30/2015 10:17 pm : link
In comment 12260602 UberAlias said:
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. But was a need based pick, imo.


a team that finished 6-10 has a LOT of needs.. so almost ANY pick technically could be NEED based..



Reese said he was the highest rated player on their board  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 10:19 pm : link
or do I listen to fans who say he is a reach. I'm going with Reese
RE: RE: RE: RE: Its not a reach pick  
UberAlias : 4/30/2015 10:19 pm : link
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The beat writers have been saying for weeks they were high on him

. Yes but did you ever see any mocks with him going in the too 10 to anyone besides us? No. Because he's not a top 10 talent. He's just the top linemen on their board.


I saw several Flowers-to-the-Giants predictions, not sure where, don't have a link. It was a popular prediction among people who thought 1) the Giants HAD to go O-line and 2) Scherff would be gone.



WalterFootball had Flowers to Giants two months ago. I don't get the shock or awe.


No shock at all. Who said there was shock??? I have been saying Flowers was my prediction, as has many others. That doesn't make him a top 10 overall talent.
RE: Reese said he was the highest rated player on their board  
chris r : 4/30/2015 10:19 pm : link
In comment 12260631 Headhunter said:
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or do I listen to fans who say he is a reach. I'm going with Reese


He says that every single year. So either the Giants have been incredibly lucky over the years with the convergence of BPA and need or he's shitting us.
Rich  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 10:19 pm : link
about a minimum of 12 points higher than yours
He wasn't asked  
Headhunter : 4/30/2015 10:21 pm : link
he flat out started off by saying this guy was the highest rated player on their board
very happy with pick  
micky : 4/30/2015 10:21 pm : link
Great start
RE: RE: Reese said he was the highest rated player on their board  
blueblood : 4/30/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12260636 chris r said:
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or do I listen to fans who say he is a reach. I'm going with Reese



He says that every single year. So either the Giants have been incredibly lucky over the years with the convergence of BPA and need or he's shitting us.


Yes because you know Reese and their staff of scouts job is to appease the fan base about the draft...

/eyeroll
The OL has been so pathetic they needed  
Giants2012 : 4/30/2015 10:22 pm : link
To draft Pugh, reacha bit for Richburg and select Flowers. The OL was awful.
RE: RE: Reese said he was the highest rated player on their board  
David in LA : 4/30/2015 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12260636 chris r said:
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or do I listen to fans who say he is a reach. I'm going with Reese



He says that every single year. So either the Giants have been incredibly lucky over the years with the convergence of BPA and need or he's shitting us.


What does it say that we wasted little time to make the selection?
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