Looking at Odi, Preston Smith, Eddie Goldman, Carl Davis, Ja'len Collins, Landon Collins.
Eric, out of those listed, do you think any of them slip to round 3. Perhaps Davis or Smith? I'm of the opinion that the Giants don't really need 8 draft picks this year and if the chance to move up (either in the 2nd or 3rd) presents itself, they should take it.
The immediate starter at ss.he is great against the run and has the talent to get better against the pass.It is also a huge need, bigger than dt or de.We already have alot of guys on the dline.Moore,ayers,jpp,eliis,bromley,wynn.Don't want a guy, who's going to sit and not play much. Collins, provides immediate help at a position of need.
Combine the fact that the Giants were terrible up front stopping the run combined with Coughlin's comments yesterday, and I think we are looking at a DL. (and rightfully so...the value should be there too)
Combine the fact that the Giants were terrible up front stopping the run combined with Coughlin's comments yesterday, and I think we are looking at a DL. (and rightfully so...the value should be there too)
agreed....Goldman , Davis , Phillips make a lot of sense.
Preston Smith is a good run stopping DE>...same with Mario Edwards....Za'Darious Smith.
Is PURE Value at this point. The caliber of player now outweighs the risk. You are talking about getting perhaps the best pure pass-rusher in this draft at 40.
Will his seemingly genuinely remorseful comments be enough to sway the Giants?
DE Randy Gregory (depending on Giants personal background check could be lower on list)
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
DE/DT Preston Smith
DT Carl Davis (load at Senior Bowl)
ILB Benardrick McKinney
CB Ronald Darby
S Erik Rowe
S Quentin Rollins
WR Devin Smith
DE/DT Henry Anderson
WR Chris Conley
WR Jalean Strong
RB Tevin Coleman (David Wilson part II)
Right eric, but there is quite a logjam on the dline.It would be hard to get playing time.they are pretty much devoid at safety, no experience and all lower rd. Picks.If they don't take a quality safety early, they won't get a good one.
Eric Rowe is a better fit than Collins but
I would Prefer Goldman or Davis DT to go
along side of Hankins . In round 4 I would
go right back to the Defense with a LB .
If none of them are there in round 2 then
Kenricks would be the guy at #40.
Looking at Odi, Preston Smith, Eddie Goldman, Carl Davis, Ja'len Collins, Landon Collins.
I think they want to take Collins, but he'll be gone. Raanan was saying Pitt was trying to move up. Wonder if they're targeting Collins since Polamalu is retired. Hitdog also said the Giants might trade up. I hope not. There is plenty of talent left. Let the draft come to us. If anything, trade down. But if they stay put and Collins is gone then I think it will be Goldman or Davis, in that order.
place awhile ago at Giants headquarters: Kenrick Ellis, 6'4", 346 lbs. I mean, we can always use another big body in Goldman, but it's not so much a priority in my mind. If Gregory is there, grab him. Maybe even consider Dorial Green-Beckham.
With Collins, Odi, Goldman, Rowe and at this point yes even Gregory.
With out history of 2nd round surprises and success, I'm almost thinking it's someone who no one is mentioning. Hankins, Strahan, Osi, Randle, Richburg, Linval Joseph, all guys who have or are panning out and ones no one really had on the radar.
I'm not going to freak out if it's an offensive player, but I'd really prefer we go D in this round. I think our options are going to be stronger on D than O anyway.
Odi, Carl Davis, and Gregory. Those are the 3 I'd really like. But there are a handful of other defenders in the mix that I'd be cool with as well.
Maxx Williams and Devin Smith. I like both of those guys as offensive weapons in the NFL. I think Maxx will surprise people at the next level who overlooked him because of his lack of elite athleticism, and I think Smith is the type of burner who has serious potential if he learns all the subtleties of becoming a professional receiver. Still... I'd have a hard time taking either of them over one of the D prospects.
to me. He is NOT a 4-3 DE. His body is maxed out, he doesn't fit our scheme, and he has huge red flags to boot. He can be a very good player in certain schemes, just not ours. Plus I believe another space-eater up front would help out both our DE's and LB's.
if Eli Harold would fit our scheme. He's a good player.
Very good player. Can bend the arc. But might be best suited for OLB in a 3-4. Not saying he can't be an every down DE, but it's not a given. Even so, he'd be a very good pass rushing DE.
A risk....but to get him in the 2nd is in sane.
Eric, out of those listed, do you think any of them slip to round 3. Perhaps Davis or Smith? I'm of the opinion that the Giants don't really need 8 draft picks this year and if the chance to move up (either in the 2nd or 3rd) presents itself, they should take it.
agreed....Goldman , Davis , Phillips make a lot of sense.
Preston Smith is a good run stopping DE>...same with Mario Edwards....Za'Darious Smith.
Is PURE Value at this point. The caliber of player now outweighs the risk. You are talking about getting perhaps the best pure pass-rusher in this draft at 40.
Will his seemingly genuinely remorseful comments be enough to sway the Giants?
I hope so.
DE Randy Gregory (depending on Giants personal background check could be lower on list)
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
DE/DT Preston Smith
DT Carl Davis (load at Senior Bowl)
ILB Benardrick McKinney
CB Ronald Darby
S Erik Rowe
S Quentin Rollins
WR Devin Smith
DE/DT Henry Anderson
WR Chris Conley
WR Jalean Strong
RB Tevin Coleman (David Wilson part II)
Randy gregory
Kendricks
Perryman
Carl davis
Jalen collins
Eddie goldman
I think bbi is much more excited about odi then the Giants- and no Gregory
I would Prefer Goldman or Davis DT to go
along side of Hankins . In round 4 I would
go right back to the Defense with a LB .
If none of them are there in round 2 then
Kenricks would be the guy at #40.
I think they want to take Collins, but he'll be gone. Raanan was saying Pitt was trying to move up. Wonder if they're targeting Collins since Polamalu is retired. Hitdog also said the Giants might trade up. I hope not. There is plenty of talent left. Let the draft come to us. If anything, trade down. But if they stay put and Collins is gone then I think it will be Goldman or Davis, in that order.
With out history of 2nd round surprises and success, I'm almost thinking it's someone who no one is mentioning. Hankins, Strahan, Osi, Randle, Richburg, Linval Joseph, all guys who have or are panning out and ones no one really had on the radar.
Odi, Carl Davis, and Gregory. Those are the 3 I'd really like. But there are a handful of other defenders in the mix that I'd be cool with as well.
Maxx Williams and Devin Smith. I like both of those guys as offensive weapons in the NFL. I think Maxx will surprise people at the next level who overlooked him because of his lack of elite athleticism, and I think Smith is the type of burner who has serious potential if he learns all the subtleties of becoming a professional receiver. Still... I'd have a hard time taking either of them over one of the D prospects.
I hope you're right, but I thought hotdog said Collins was one of the players at the top of their list for this round.
Value!
How is Ellis
a) unproven
b) on a rookie deal?
Very good player. Can bend the arc. But might be best suited for OLB in a 3-4. Not saying he can't be an every down DE, but it's not a given. Even so, he'd be a very good pass rushing DE.
Let's see....