If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
If he was as useless as you're indicating, the Giants and Steelers - and their combined 10 Lombardi trophies - wouldn't have been vying for the 33rd pick to get him.
very good point. I guess when Reese went to Alabama pro day, we all thought it was to scout Cooper. I guess they were very impressed with Collins. I saw him on tape, he has Ronnie Lott stuff. :)
You're on top of it. Collins at SS and he probably gets the gig if they deploy a big nickel package, Behre should get some burn when they move Collins around. I do expect them to pick Eskridge or another FS tomorrow.
huge need, great value. Don't love giving up the 4th but if they feel he wasn't going to last then go get what you want. The Giants normally don't trade up unless they really like a guy.
very good point. I guess when Reese went to Alabama pro day, we all thought it was to scout Cooper. I guess they were very impressed with Collins. I saw him on tape, he has Ronnie Lott stuff. :)
blapre.. that's what I see too -- I think he's a lot like Ronnie Lott
If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
Dude ypure insufferable. People said he gets lost deep, thats coachable. What you cant coach are his abilities vs. the run. And if he can keep Witten from catching that 10 yard seam, Im fine with it. He was arguably the best talent and also filled a need. How do you NOT like this pick?
He may not be a great cover guy, but, it's not like he's completely incapable of making plays on that end. Let's see what happens when he gets coached up. At the very least he is an asset inside the box, hopefully from Day 1.
Collins may have flaws, but what he does, he does very well and that's why he was considered a top 15 talent by various analysts throughout the process.
Also, there is nothing to say he cannot improve with good coaching and I trust Spags much more than any other coordinator we've had in recent memory to put our players in the best position to succeed.
afraid to hit someone. He wants to do that. It's hard to teach a guy to tackle well and this guy has the natural motivation to do it. I'd like to think it's easier to coach up his cover skills than it would be to turn a below average tackler into a great one.
you do know that he hits like a truck. He played in a scheme
We do know he's not a cover guy...he got smoked by Ole Miss. Even all the draft information from various sources consistently said the same thing about this guy...this is a Spagnuolo pick. I'm not mad, though. We're gonna be enjoying some hits for years to come between Collins and Berhe.
Some had the Giants selecting Collins at 9 for crying out loud. You've got to be happy with getting Collins at 33, and I'm much higher on Flowers than most. The kid is 20 and one of the strongest players in the draft. This is a heck of a start if you ask me.
don't forget, Giants are looking to stop the run, one of their biggest weaknesses. This guy is a terrific run stopping safety. I am so psyched. This draft is so exciting! Go Jerry. Wait until Witten gets his teeth rattled! lol
NFLDraftScout.com's Rob Rang and Dane Brugler: "Better working downhill when he can attack the action, but has shown improvement in pass coverage, learning from past mistakes and improving his awareness in the deep half of the field. Fluid in space and displays cornerback traits with his footwork, hips and transitional quickness to line up in man or zone coverage. At his best reading and reacting in the run game, attacking downhill like a physical missile with the technique and power to finish stops without hesitation."
If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
If he was as useless as you're indicating, the Giants and Steelers - and their combined 10 Lombardi trophies - wouldn't have been vying for the 33rd pick to get him.
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This is the kind of move that changes your Defense
An in the box safety changes your defense?
Yes. Next question.
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changes your Defense
Please name the last safety who was not good vs the pass who was an impact player. Thanks.
Has anyone said he's POOR against the pass? Actually people have been falling over themselves to say he has more range than you might think.
Don't you think your assumption might be sloppily deduced from his pre-draft characterization as an in-the-box safety?
If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
Logic makes little sense. Bottom line is that safeties like him don't go in the 1st round, they go in the 2nd.
Tom Coughlin said the Giants had a first-round grade on Landon Collins.
Tom Coughlin: "Couldn't be a better situation for us. ... He's very skilled. He's very motivated."
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Tom Coughlin said the Giants had a first-round grade on Landon Collins.
Nice to see Tom got in before Reese said it.
In this case I think it's probably right.
Sanders (like Troy P) was fast as fuck and made plays all over the field. This guy isn't that fast.
I'm hoping I'm wrong of course but I don't like this pick. I
blapre.. that's what I see too -- I think he's a lot like Ronnie Lott
If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
Dude ypure insufferable. People said he gets lost deep, thats coachable. What you cant coach are his abilities vs. the run. And if he can keep Witten from catching that 10 yard seam, Im fine with it. He was arguably the best talent and also filled a need. How do you NOT like this pick?
Especially on defense.
Coughlin said of second-round pick, "I was anxious that it would be a defensive player."
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Coughlin on paying the 3-pick price for Landon Collins: "If you want something and it's above you, you've got to give it up."
Would be incredible, just not sure where Gregory lines up for the GMEN.
Don't count Taylor out yet.
One thing I know draft day won't define me but will motivate me to prove the doubters wrong & confirm what I already know. #BamaStrong
And Spags likes to send the safeties.
Also, there is nothing to say he cannot improve with good coaching and I trust Spags much more than any other coordinator we've had in recent memory to put our players in the best position to succeed.
We do know he's not a cover guy...he got smoked by Ole Miss. Even all the draft information from various sources consistently said the same thing about this guy...this is a Spagnuolo pick. I'm not mad, though. We're gonna be enjoying some hits for years to come between Collins and Berhe.
BPA - gravy baby
Especially on defense.
Eh. i don't know how true that is. nobody complaining about Clinton-Dix, Eddie Lacy, Julio Jones or marcel dareus.
If this guy was as good as people thought he was, Someone would have grabbed him yesterday.
So everybody not drafted in the top 32 sucks, huh?
I remember people saying the same thing last year when they were whining about the OBJ pick. "If he's so good, why did so many teams pass him up?".
It's ridiculous reasoning.