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B in ALB : 5/2/2015 7:57 pm
Can't believe it's here folks. It's almost surreal. Maybe a few years later but still. PfP immortality on the line tonight. As is Mayweather and his undefeated record. I really hope it lives up to the hype. Rarely do events like this satisfy the masses.

In rooting for Manny.

HBO is running a pre fight special at 8p.

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A lot  
Mr. Nickels : 5/3/2015 1:01 am : link
of hugging
If he's a boring fighter  
Knineteen : 5/3/2015 1:02 am : link
why do people pay to watch it then?

Is it a prestige thing among the rich an famous to be seen at these events? I don't get it. That fight put me to sleep...I don't care how good the man his, he's boring as hell.
RE: If he's a boring fighter  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:04 am : link
In comment 12267791 Knineteen said:
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why do people pay to watch it then?

Is it a prestige thing among the rich an famous to be seen at these events? I don't get it. That fight put me to sleep...I don't care how good the man his, he's boring as hell.


People pay to see him lose because he's such an unlikeable guy.
RE: RE: If he's a boring fighter  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:08 am : link
In comment 12267792 chris r said:
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why do people pay to watch it then?

Is it a prestige thing among the rich an famous to be seen at these events? I don't get it. That fight put me to sleep...I don't care how good the man his, he's boring as hell.



People pay to see him lose because he's such an unlikeable guy.


As he said he enjoys playing the villain because it pays well.
I wish Floyd  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/3/2015 1:10 am : link
would have been docked points for the clinching after some of Manny's good moments. He did the same thing against Mosely.

I think Mayweather's defense is insane. But this is why I can't really get into boxing. I don't think defense, no matter how amazing, should be enough. I still think you need to independently do work offensively and land some good power shots and threaten offensively. But that's not how the sport of boxing works. This felt like a game that ended 0-0.

But as much as I hate Floyd, focusing specifically on his defense makes your jaw drop. He seems to have the defensive reflexes of a cat. To be that quick and alert at 38 years old is nuts. It's a testament to how well he's done over the years at not getting hit and worn down.
Wow, Floyd even humbled Iron Mike  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:12 am : link
"It's his time. No one can beat him."
his reach advantage played out huge in this fight  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:13 am : link
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Man I am glad I didn't pay to watch that  
Daniel in MI : 5/3/2015 1:13 am : link
I can acknowledge FM as an effective tactical and defensive fighter, and still find him boring as shit. He's very effective mover, he's very fast when he does finally throw a punch, but a fighter avoiding as much fighting as possible is not very entertaining. For his part, Pac tried to bring the fight to him, but not enough. He was too tentative. When he really walked in through the jab he was at his best. But, he doesn't look as fast as he was once, when he was just unreal.

Aggression should be rated higher in the scoring if they want boxing to hold interest again as a sport in the mainstream. Here's your champion and pound for pound best, and he spends the vast majority of the fight backing up. Given that this was the "fight of the century" (obviously, it's a young century) it doesn't exactly encourage more people to tune in to another one. No wonder younger folks are flocking to watch MMA.

Man, do I miss watching Tyson in his early Cus D. days, when he'd come in and just beat the shit out of opponents. Then Cus died and he lost his compass (and his mind). But his early fights were fun to watch, even when short.

This fight likely set boxing back a lot  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:18 am : link
so hyped and so dull. Casual fans aren't going to give the sport a second chance for a long long time.
Prized fighter vs one of the best skilled fighters in history  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:18 am : link
Floyd put on boxing clinic.
PaulBlakeTSU  
Daniel in MI : 5/3/2015 1:22 am : link
If this was a football game, here's how I felt it was: a 3-0 game, with FM playing 3 yard and a cloud of dust offense rarely putting the ball in the air, and a defensive field position game. Not a bone crushing D, just smothering with lots of getting hands on the WRs, and clogging passing lanes with dime D.

Pac was tentative but at least tried to throw the ball some on a good D, but wanted to avoid the big mistake and couldn't string together enough plays for a scoring drive.

In the end, FM basically won by getting good field position on a bad punt that put him in position to get a 3rd quarter FG that he held on to win.
B.S. about boxing clinic  
idinkido : 5/3/2015 1:26 am : link
Floyd is not half the fighter Sugar Ray Robinson was.
Mason  
Daniel in MI : 5/3/2015 1:28 am : link
I'll acknowledge that it's true. But the clinic felt like an accounting seminar about the obscure rules the IRS uses to amortize different business expenses. Sure, a few accountants will be geeked about it, but most people find it painful and frustrating to sit through.
RE: B.S. about boxing clinic  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:31 am : link
In comment 12267812 idinkido said:
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Floyd is not half the fighter Sugar Ray Robinson was.


A boxing clinic. I can't wait to get that gif of a humbled Mike Tyson just in awe of Floyd.
RE: This fight likely set boxing back a lot  
Anakim : 5/3/2015 1:32 am : link
In comment 12267807 chris r said:
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so hyped and so dull. Casual fans aren't going to give the sport a second chance for a long long time.


Somewhere, Dana White is smiling
RE: This fight likely set boxing back a lot  
Mdgiantsfan : 5/3/2015 1:32 am : link
In comment 12267807 chris r said:
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so hyped and so dull. Casual fans aren't going to give the sport a second chance for a long long time.

Exactly. Sadly I was hoping this fight would drum up my interest in boxing game, but it turned out just like I thought. Actually it turned out worse than I thought! I am not a Mayweather fan nor Manny fan, but I was hoping to see a decent fight. That was a waste! Now what? IF they have a rematch, who would really want to see it. What was worse for me was listening to the coverage leading up to the main event. It seemed like everyone was trying to hype up boxing and throwing the gaudy numbers out there about how much money this fight was making. As if that was a true indicator of the real interest in the sport. It was like they were begging and pleading with us to be interested in boxing again. I found myself wishing it would turn it to a UFC match so we could get some action; and I don't like UFC at all.
RE: Mason  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:33 am : link
In comment 12267813 Daniel in MI said:
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I'll acknowledge that it's true. But the clinic felt like an accounting seminar about the obscure rules the IRS uses to amortize different business expenses. Sure, a few accountants will be geeked about it, but most people find it painful and frustrating to sit through.


Well as an accountant and a boxing purist I enjoyed it. :)

If it was a heavyweight fight then I would expect type of fight. With guys standing in the middle of the ring laying lumber on each other.
RE: RE: B.S. about boxing clinic  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:34 am : link
In comment 12267814 Mason said:
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Floyd is not half the fighter Sugar Ray Robinson was.



A boxing clinic. I can't wait to get that gif of a humbled Mike Tyson just in awe of Floyd.


Tyson didn't say anything about Floyd the boxer. He said he's a coward of a man as evidenced by the fact that he can't go anywhere without five 400 lb men with him and the fact that he beats up women.

Tyson is right.
sorry meant different type of fight  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:34 am : link
..

Floyd fights are not for everybody.
RE: RE: RE: B.S. about boxing clinic  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:36 am : link
In comment 12267818 chris r said:
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Floyd is not half the fighter Sugar Ray Robinson was.



A boxing clinic. I can't wait to get that gif of a humbled Mike Tyson just in awe of Floyd.



Tyson didn't say anything about Floyd the boxer. He said he's a coward of a man as evidenced by the fact that he can't go anywhere without five 400 lb men with him and the fact that he beats up women.

Tyson is right.


I don't like Floyd antics but as a boxer I think he is one of the best of his generation.
The irony is  
Daniel in MI : 5/3/2015 1:36 am : link
They sold tickets to the wrong thing. The real action in this was the punches l were anded in getting the fight scheduled to begin with. The negotiations should have been ppv.
RE: RE: RE: RE: B.S. about boxing clinic  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:36 am : link
In comment 12267820 Mason said:
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Floyd is not half the fighter Sugar Ray Robinson was.



A boxing clinic. I can't wait to get that gif of a humbled Mike Tyson just in awe of Floyd.



Tyson didn't say anything about Floyd the boxer. He said he's a coward of a man as evidenced by the fact that he can't go anywhere without five 400 lb men with him and the fact that he beats up women.

Tyson is right.



I don't like Floyd antics but as a boxer I think he is one of the best of his generation.


He is. My point is that Tyson didn't question that.
RE: PaulBlakeTSU  
Mr. Nickels : 5/3/2015 1:37 am : link
In comment 12267810 Daniel in MI said:
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If this was a football game, here's how I felt it was: a 3-0 game, with FM playing 3 yard and a cloud of dust offense rarely putting the ball in the air, and a defensive field position game. Not a bone crushing D, just smothering with lots of getting hands on the WRs, and clogging passing lanes with dime D.

Pac was tentative but at least tried to throw the ball some on a good D, but wanted to avoid the big mistake and couldn't string together enough plays for a scoring drive.

In the end, FM basically won by getting good field position on a bad punt that put him in position to get a 3rd quarter FG that he held on to win.


Great analogy pretty accurate
Tyson did questioned it when after scoffing at Floyd's claim to be  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:42 am : link
pound for pound best ever. I don't agree with him but it was funny to see Tyson after the fight just in awe.
RE: Tyson did questioned it when after scoffing at Floyd's claim to be  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:45 am : link
In comment 12267824 Mason said:
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pound for pound best ever. I don't agree with him but it was funny to see Tyson after the fight just in awe.


True.
Floyd doesn't take chances because  
Essex : 5/3/2015 1:53 am : link
He doesn't have to. He hits without getting hit, seems like the best of all time. He fought everyone and beat them. Nobody else can really say that in the goat conversation besides Marciano and he fought a lot bums.
he didn't fight everyone  
chris r : 5/3/2015 1:54 am : link
not Margarito, not prime Mosley, not prime Pacquaio, not Paul Williams.

He ducked a lot of guys.
Margarito with or without brass knuckles?  
Essex : 5/3/2015 1:59 am : link
He fought Mosley, when Mosley challenged him in the ring. Paul Williams was a bum and not even in same breath as mayweather.
RE: Margarito with or without brass knuckles?  
chris r : 5/3/2015 2:06 am : link
In comment 12267831 Essex said:
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He fought Mosley, when Mosley challenged him in the ring. Paul Williams was a bum and not even in same breath as mayweather.


Floyd didn't know Margarito was loading his gloves so its still a duck. Mosley was not in his prime. Paul Williams was not a bum at all and was all wrong for Floyd stylistically. Had the reach advantage, reasonable fast hands and threw a ton of punches.
If you told me Mayweather's  
MookGiants : 5/3/2015 2:18 am : link
final fight was taking place in my backyard and I could get a front row seat for free I still wouldn't watch it.

Chick basketball is more entertaining than Floyd Mayweather boxing matches
Manny trying to claim a shoulder injury and he couldn't get some "help  
Mason : 5/3/2015 2:47 am : link
It's a bad look from him. Reminds me of Harbaugh chasing Manningham and Jacobs around Niners facility talking about how the Niners really won that NFC championship game. Very sad.
If the boxing Gods are good  
j_rud : 5/3/2015 3:08 am : link
and Floyd really wants to go out on top he'll fight Gennady Golovkin in his final fight. Pound for pound champ and one of the greatest defensive fighters ever against an undefeated knockout machine (32-0, 29 KO, current streak of 19 KOs) who might be the biggest puncher in boxing today.
RE: Manny trying to claim a shoulder injury and he couldn't get some  
chris r : 5/3/2015 3:48 am : link
In comment 12267837 Mason said:
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It's a bad look from him. Reminds me of Harbaugh chasing Manningham and Jacobs around Niners facility talking about how the Niners really won that NFC championship game. Very sad.


Do you know that its not true?

In any case, it was his movement that was the problem.
Up early and see the result and responses  
Giants2012 : 5/3/2015 6:02 am : link
People are shocked this wasn't a Gatti fight? You were not going to be entertained like a Gatti battle.

So I am  
rocco8112 : 5/3/2015 6:39 am : link
no boxing expert that is for sure. The clinching that Mayweather does, how is that legal? Everytime Pacquiao got in on Mayweather and went to work, Mayweather just hugs him which stops the "action" and kind of hits the reset button on all the work it took for Pacquiao to get in on his defense.

How is that boxing and why is there no penalty? I can understand the constant moving and timing Mayweather uses and how someone who really understands the sport of boxing could admire that, but boy is it boring The clutching though, that is bullshit.

Overall it would be difficult to think of another major
sporting event that was as boring to watch as the Fight of the Century last night. If I was not watching that match in the presence of other people I think I would have fallen asleep.
Mason  
idinkido : 5/3/2015 7:08 am : link
I understand your thinking. IMO, fighters fight. They sell the tickets, they have to back it up. Yes, defense is an art, but this was shitting on the paying customers.
I do feel bad for the general public  
Essex : 5/3/2015 7:10 am : link
Who tuned in last night, but thought a fight would break out. Anyone who followed Floyd's career basically knew if he was going to win a fight it would look like that, especially since Manny did not open up. for the fight to be exciting, Manny was the one who needed to take risks. He needed to open up at the center of the ring, not only on the ropes. He probably would have gotten knocked out if he did that, but the fights excitement level really depended on how courageous Manny wanted to be. Instead, many really on threw his trademark multiple punches when he had Floyd on the ropes and Floyd covered up (meaning manny had no fear of the counter that he would have gotten nailed with in the center of the ring).
the fight was brutal- but  
hitdog42 : 5/3/2015 7:17 am : link
the winner was obvious and not close. those say "manny tried to exchange"... ummm yeah maybe every other round 2-3 times per round. He fought tentative and scared... which let floyd be defensive floyd---- not Cotto fight floyd. Prime Manny- whenever Manny, doesnt look like he would have had any shot at floyd-- awful matchup for him----the crowd getting excited when manny had his "flurries"... and we couldnt even land a punch on the ropes during those---- aimlessly throwing and not connecting. The fight was as brutal as it was for as much as what Manny didnt do as what floyd did.

i agree a GGG fight would be pretty cool- just not sure that happens. Not a great fight for boxing, and this doesnt deserve a rematch- Cotto deserves one more then Manny.
RE: the fight was brutal- but  
j_rud : 5/3/2015 8:17 am : link
In comment 12267880 hitdog42 said:
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i agree a GGG fight would be pretty cool- just not sure that happens. Not a great fight for boxing, and this doesnt deserve a rematch- Cotto deserves one more then Manny.


Unfortunately I agree, I don't think Floyd will fight him. Very little incentive other than pride and cementing his legacy. Golovkin would be a pretty big underdog but he stands the best chance of beating Mayweather.
RE: This fight likely set boxing back a lot  
illmatic : 5/3/2015 8:39 am : link
In comment 12267807 chris r said:
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so hyped and so dull. Casual fans aren't going to give the sport a second chance for a long long time.


Agreed. EVERYONE was talking about this fight. I never hear people talk about boxing anymore but I heard random women who aren't even into sports talking about it, wanting to watch it, lots of people going to fight parties for it. And then you get to watch that dud of a match after all that hype and the lol worthy "fight of the century" talk? Wow. This was boxing's chance to really garner interest from casual viewers again and both fighters blew it. I have to imagine a bunch of the casuals who wanted to see this won't tune in for a rematch... or any other boxing matches anytime soon.

I don't know if there will be a rematch. Honestly, I really hope there is one. Because after all the backlash from viewers who said how boring and lame this was, I have to imagine both guys will come out swinging to prove a point. Floyd did his usual defensive stuff which is always boring to watch unless you're a boxing purist, and the vast majority aren't. And Manny looked like he just didn't want to risk getting knocked out with the whole world watching. Looked like he was thrilled to go to a decision and lose like that. But yeah, if there's another fight, I think they both actually do something. So I hope it happens.
floyd fought how floyd does  
hitdog42 : 5/3/2015 9:07 am : link
so the onus is on Manny to make it more exciting... and he didnt fight how "manny does" - as he couldnt figure floyd out- the reach is a problem- and if he came in aimlessly the pot shots would have gotten worse.
I also think little incentive for Manny to really go for it when he was making 100m--- the money was absurd for these guys- and i think that played a factor- do you think guys are tapping gloves so nicely when they are fighting for their financial lives.... too much money to really go all out- guaranteed 100m and like 180m or whatever for floyd.
I dont want to see a remach because listening to the manny whine about floyd ... when he is actually fighting how he fight... is just annoying.
also sadly the best analysis  
hitdog42 : 5/3/2015 10:49 am : link
of the fight and why it wasnt great... is by loud mouth steven A... and his debate with the idiot on ESPN (this is on ESPN.com)--- people didnt show up to watch floyd fight different... they came with the hope that manny would press him and bring something floyd hadnt faced... and we didnt get that.
RE: also sadly the best analysis  
Mason : 5/3/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12268113 hitdog42 said:
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of the fight and why it wasnt great... is by loud mouth steven A... and his debate with the idiot on ESPN (this is on ESPN.com)--- people didnt show up to watch floyd fight different... they came with the hope that manny would press him and bring something floyd hadnt faced... and we didnt get that.


Bingo. Manny was actually scared of Floyd's counter punches and was content to wait for Floyd to go into the corner and then advance.

Also, Manny talking about he thought he won the fight shows me he is in a state of denial about his decline.
RE: also sadly the best analysis  
j_rud : 5/3/2015 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12268113 hitdog42 said:
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of the fight and why it wasnt great... is by loud mouth steven A... and his debate with the idiot on ESPN (this is on ESPN.com)--- people didnt show up to watch floyd fight different... they came with the hope that manny would press him and bring something floyd hadnt faced... and we didnt get that.


Agree people were dying for someone to bring it to Mayweather but its simply not true that he hasn't faced it before. Miguel Cotto went at him for 12 rounds and even busted Floyd's nose,that was a battle.

The best fight for fans is easily Mayweather/Golovkin. He'll press him like Cotto and he's a bigger puncher.
Manny had his moments  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/3/2015 2:58 pm : link
but that was a dominating performance by Floyd. Manny just had no answer for Floyd's length and quickness advantage. It honestly felt like Manny was under-prepared for the fight. Or maybe there's just no one Manny sparred with that did a good job of replicating Floyd.

It was boring because that's what Floyd does. He doesn't get hit, and he doesn't bring the power because of his weak hands. But I was absolutely in awe while watching him avoid any threat of a Manny flurry.

Maybe a younger more aggressive Manny might've made this a fight. But Manny fought scared and/or old. He needed to win with volume and by coming in and throwing from all different angles. He didn't do that at all. The fact that Manny thought he won was embarrassing, sore loser type stuff.

Mayweather is an asshole. But I also respect the type of boxer he is. He's just so damn smart, quick, and skilled. Overall that was definitely a disappointing fight from an action standpoint, but I blame that more on Manny's side. Manny was the guy who needed to get the action going.

I want no part of a rematch. The fight wasn't exciting and Floyd is clearly the superior boxer.
RE: also sadly the best analysis  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2015 3:14 pm : link
In comment 12268113 hitdog42 said:
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of the fight and why it wasnt great... is by loud mouth steven A... and his debate with the idiot on ESPN (this is on ESPN.com)--- people didnt show up to watch floyd fight different... they came with the hope that manny would press him and bring something floyd hadnt faced... and we didnt get that.


I'm Manny's biggest fan and I think it's safe to say he at this point in his career is FAR from what he used to be in terms of attacking. The sequence in which he had Floyd on the ropes and inadvertently pulled back (2nd or 3rd round maybe?) was the complete opposite of the Manny most people knew and loved. The knockout against Marquez changed everything... he could take a punch, but he was never going to be that all-out crazy attacker again.

It's easy for me to say because I'm not getting punched in the face, but I wanted to see Manny go out on his shield. As far as him saying he thought he won, boxers say that a lot. JCC said that 2 weeks ago and he quit in the middle of the fight.

I had the fight 116-112 Floyd.
And as motherfuckin' annoyed as the "this fight needed to happen 5  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2015 3:15 pm : link
years ago" crowd made me, they were 100% right.
DeLaJoya had the best shot of beating Mayweather ....  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2015 5:00 pm : link
But made the mistake of treating him as his equal.

(Lennox Lewis taught the boxing world how to box a smaller man - bully him when he does come inside and keep him at bay with jabs outside).

Floyd was scared to death of him (you could see it in his eyes all night long) because he knew Oscar had a big punch and was fast enough to catch him if he ran.

Instead, Oscar didn't press the issue and Mayweather did enough counter punching and dodging to win on points.



I can't see why the outcome would've been much different  
BlackLight : 5/3/2015 5:05 pm : link
had they fought 5 years ago.
Floyd still fights similarly to how he fought in his physical prime...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2015 5:24 pm : link
obviously not as good, but still excellent. Manny doesn't resemble the fighter he was in his prime or even before the knockout. Before the fight, it was mentioned numerous times that Manny's "punches thrown per round" numbers had gone down each of his previous 3 fights. Manny in his prime is a guy throwing tons of punches from tons of angles with a ton of power.

Floyd might still win convincingly 5 years ago, but I think we would see something remotely resembling top-level Pacquiao. Yesterday wasn't that.
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