I'm sure it played out in a similar way for all 32. Clearly more than just a question of risk as the value in the very late picks are so marginal. I'm sure many were conflicted. Link - ( New Window )
If you can get a 1st round talent for a 7th round pick, even if there's a good chance he won't play for you, it seems worth it. Maybe it was more about PR blowback after all the domestic violence stuff.
If you can get a 1st round talent for a 7th round pick, even if there's a good chance he won't play for you, it seems worth it. Maybe it was more about PR blowback after all the domestic violence stuff.
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
I guess you could also ask yourself why would Aaron Hernandez risk 40 million by killing someone? Not saying Collins did it but lets wait to see how it plays out..
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
NFL Security may have only provided statistics which probably would be enough to scare off teams.
is the best thing that could have happened to him. Let him clear his name and the NFL will bid on him.
This is exactly what I was thinking. He should end up going to the highest bidder with no draftee restrictions. If cleared, he could end up with more money than if he entered the draft normally and was selected at the end of the 1st round.
If there are none, it would seem that you could offer a "conditional" contract that mirrors say the 25th pick on the 1st round.
The only point of contention would be at what point the signing bonus equivalent kicks in.
This would be fair to the player and the team.
Reading about this story, I believe the kid (if actually innocent, or whatever) should sue the League for $ 10 million + punitive damages.
The thing is, he's not just an undrafted free agent, he's an undrafted ROOKIE free agent. The league may have special rules for that, and it would make sense. Why should drafted rookies be restricted by salary limitations and undrafted rookies not be.
If he was drafted and didn't sign he could enter the 2016 draft
So any team taking a flyer on him (on the 7th round or something) would have done him a HUGE favor since all he would have to do is not sign and it was his ticket back into the draft.
What team is filling to throw away a 7th round pick?
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
People make horrible decisions all the time.
He was about to come into serious money. He said the kid isn't his, she did. . .
Not saying he's guilty, but in response to your question, this came to mind.
The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Agreed. I bet teams put a considerable amount of resources into this and my guess is they found some serious skeletons (maybe not murder but serious) otherwise he wouldve been drafted at some point.
If he had nothing to do with this, he was screwed.....
The NFL may have contacted all Teams to Not
draft Collins .If Jerry Jones didn't take a flyer
they may have had some pertinent information that
he is in deep shit .
There are restrictions on how much he can get in Free Agency
There is a pool of money available and thats it. It is not open bidding. He will not get anywhere near the contract a 1st or 2nd rounder would get. I believe they did this calculation, which is why they said after the 3rd round they were signing.
If you can get a 1st round talent for a 7th round pick, even if there's a good chance he won't play for you, it seems worth it. Maybe it was more about PR blowback after all the domestic violence stuff.
I think it is clear he would not report and would sit out the year. Any team that drafted him late would be disrespecting him in a major way. All of my thoughts are assuming he is not connected with his ex-girlfriends death.
Bluebreaker - as I commented before just sharing statistics would be
If there are none, it would seem that you could offer a "conditional" contract that mirrors say the 25th pick on the 1st round.
The only point of contention would be at what point the signing bonus equivalent kicks in.
This would be fair to the player and the team.
Reading about this story, I believe the kid (if actually innocent, or whatever) should sue the League for $ 10 million + punitive damages.
The thing is, he's not just an undrafted free agent, he's an undrafted ROOKIE free agent. The league may have special rules for that, and it would make sense. Why should drafted rookies be restricted by salary limitations and undrafted rookies not be.
There isn't any restriction to the best of my knowledge. Case in point is the OT we picked up, Michael Bamiro. He planned on playing college ball one more year but was declared inelligible after the deadline for declaring for the draft, wasn't eligible for the Supplemental based on that. He was signed by Philly as an UDFA for, I believe, 7 figures.
RE: RE: RE: What are the CBA limits on contracts for Undrafted Free Agents?
There isn't any restriction to the best of my knowledge. Case in point is the OT we picked up, Michael Bamiro. He planned on playing college ball one more year but was declared inelligible after the deadline for declaring for the draft, wasn't eligible for the Supplemental based on that. He was signed by Philly as an UDFA for, I believe, 7 figures.
You can post this in multiple threads, but it doesn't change the fact that it's incorrect. There is a restriction, and just like any other udfa, Bamiro was subject to it. The fact that it was 7 figures isn't particularly meaningful - the league minimum for rookies over 3 years comes to a 7 figure total.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What are the CBA limits on contracts for Undrafted Free Agents?
There isn't any restriction to the best of my knowledge. Case in point is the OT we picked up, Michael Bamiro. He planned on playing college ball one more year but was declared inelligible after the deadline for declaring for the draft, wasn't eligible for the Supplemental based on that. He was signed by Philly as an UDFA for, I believe, 7 figures.
You can post this in multiple threads, but it doesn't change the fact that it's incorrect. There is a restriction, and just like any other udfa, Bamiro was subject to it. The fact that it was 7 figures isn't particularly meaningful - the league minimum for rookies over 3 years comes to a 7 figure total.
Bamiro will make $435K this year -- the rookie minimum. That's if he makes the team -- he received no guarunteed money.
I heard he passed a lie detector test but wasn't sure what was in it. You are saying that he denied that he was the father. Did he deny that he killed her also or had any involvement?
I made statement which sounds like I"m rushing to judgement. I'm really not. If I"m the Giants, I would have drafted him (was pointing that out to my friend, how valuable the 2 other picks we gave up for Collins was with this specific example). As NOBODY picked him, including Jerry Jones as another poster put it, my thoughts are the NFL knows something.
imagine a few weeks from now he gets arrested. Headlines won't be "LSU" Player arrested for murder but "NY Giant" arrested for murder. No team wants that.
Agree..
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
The only point of contention would be at what point the signing bonus equivalent kicks in.
This would be fair to the player and the team.
Reading about this story, I believe the kid (if actually innocent, or whatever) should sue the League for $ 10 million + punitive damages.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
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The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
I guess you could also ask yourself why would Aaron Hernandez risk 40 million by killing someone? Not saying Collins did it but lets wait to see how it plays out..
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
NFL Security may have only provided statistics which probably would be enough to scare off teams.
This is exactly what I was thinking. He should end up going to the highest bidder with no draftee restrictions. If cleared, he could end up with more money than if he entered the draft normally and was selected at the end of the 1st round.
Teams have have the cap space, of course.
That's when he thought that he could re-enter the draft next year. But it turns out that's not the case so it would likely change his "strategy"
The only point of contention would be at what point the signing bonus equivalent kicks in.
This would be fair to the player and the team.
Reading about this story, I believe the kid (if actually innocent, or whatever) should sue the League for $ 10 million + punitive damages.
The thing is, he's not just an undrafted free agent, he's an undrafted ROOKIE free agent. The league may have special rules for that, and it would make sense. Why should drafted rookies be restricted by salary limitations and undrafted rookies not be.
What team is filling to throw away a 7th round pick?
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The risk of drafting an innocent (until proven guilty) talent as Collins isn't worth a 7th round pick especially for teams who have additional picks. I'm personally not buying it.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Perhaps, but why would he kill this woman right before the draft and risk millions? It's not even a case like Randy Gregory where a guy is addicted to weed.*
* - (please spare me the "you can't be addicted to weed" comments)
People make horrible decisions all the time.
He was about to come into serious money. He said the kid isn't his, she did. . .
Not saying he's guilty, but in response to your question, this came to mind.
The police are collecting information and have to follow a process in releasing information to the public or risk a potential lawsuit and hurting the case. The NFL and each team have their own security people with information that they never have to release to the public and releasing it would only risk a lawsuit with zero upside. My guess is that Collins will be implicated. The bigger question in my mind is that did each NFL team collectively come up with the information or did the NFL privately provide information to all teams.
Agreed. I bet teams put a considerable amount of resources into this and my guess is they found some serious skeletons (maybe not murder but serious) otherwise he wouldve been drafted at some point.
Then, there is the possibility, that he had something to do with it, even if he didn't do the actual killing.....
It's a mess, and hopefully we get to the truth about this...
I fear this could be another Rae Carruth situation however.
draft Collins .If Jerry Jones didn't take a flyer
they may have had some pertinent information that
he is in deep shit .
I think it is clear he would not report and would sit out the year. Any team that drafted him late would be disrespecting him in a major way. All of my thoughts are assuming he is not connected with his ex-girlfriends death.
1/3 of Female homicide victims- killer was an intimate partner
If the weapon was a gun the % goes up
If the victim was pregnant the % goes up
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If there are none, it would seem that you could offer a "conditional" contract that mirrors say the 25th pick on the 1st round.
The only point of contention would be at what point the signing bonus equivalent kicks in.
This would be fair to the player and the team.
Reading about this story, I believe the kid (if actually innocent, or whatever) should sue the League for $ 10 million + punitive damages.
The thing is, he's not just an undrafted free agent, he's an undrafted ROOKIE free agent. The league may have special rules for that, and it would make sense. Why should drafted rookies be restricted by salary limitations and undrafted rookies not be.
There isn't any restriction to the best of my knowledge. Case in point is the OT we picked up, Michael Bamiro. He planned on playing college ball one more year but was declared inelligible after the deadline for declaring for the draft, wasn't eligible for the Supplemental based on that. He was signed by Philly as an UDFA for, I believe, 7 figures.
You can post this in multiple threads, but it doesn't change the fact that it's incorrect. There is a restriction, and just like any other udfa, Bamiro was subject to it. The fact that it was 7 figures isn't particularly meaningful - the league minimum for rookies over 3 years comes to a 7 figure total.
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There isn't any restriction to the best of my knowledge. Case in point is the OT we picked up, Michael Bamiro. He planned on playing college ball one more year but was declared inelligible after the deadline for declaring for the draft, wasn't eligible for the Supplemental based on that. He was signed by Philly as an UDFA for, I believe, 7 figures.
You can post this in multiple threads, but it doesn't change the fact that it's incorrect. There is a restriction, and just like any other udfa, Bamiro was subject to it. The fact that it was 7 figures isn't particularly meaningful - the league minimum for rookies over 3 years comes to a 7 figure total.
Bamiro will make $435K this year -- the rookie minimum. That's if he makes the team -- he received no guarunteed money.
This was why he did not get drafted.
Supposedly he passed a lie detector test on Friday (one given by his own group though) and has denied paternity
I made statement which sounds like I"m rushing to judgement. I'm really not. If I"m the Giants, I would have drafted him (was pointing that out to my friend, how valuable the 2 other picks we gave up for Collins was with this specific example). As NOBODY picked him, including Jerry Jones as another poster put it, my thoughts are the NFL knows something.
He should fire them.
On what grounds? All the league did was not pick him. They don't have to pick him. Might have a case against the police department though. Maybe.