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NFT: Natsat Mets Game 4

ZGiants98 : 5/3/2015 1:12 pm
Mets

Curtis Granderson, RF

Juan Lagares, CF

Lucas Duda, 1B

Michael Cuddyer, LF

Daniel Murphy, 3B

Kevin Plawecki, C

Ruben Tejada, SS

Dilson Herrera, 2B

Dillon Gee, RHP

Nationals

Denard Span, CF

Yunel Escobar, 3B

Jayson Werth, LF

Bryce Harper, RF

Ryan Zimmerman, 1B

Ian Desmond, SS

Danny Espinosa, 2B

Jose Lobaton, C

Doug Fister, RHP
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The "starter" Flores benched again with an offday tomorrow  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 1:16 pm : link
in favor of the vaunting Tejada.

Just exudes "patience and confidence"
Grandy leads off with a hit  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
Sweet bunt by Lagares for base hit. Would be nice to have a big first inning.
The three days off may be just what Flores needs  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 1:26 pm : link
Hopefully he comes back with a clear head and goes on a tear at the plate.
we can only hope, I guess,  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 1:30 pm : link
that this results in a positive than a negative.

Jury is out on that one.
Team stinks offensively  
Rflairr : 5/3/2015 1:32 pm : link
need Wright back badly
Really tough when you have two on with no outs  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 1:34 pm : link
and your 3, 4 & 5 hole hitters can't even drive in at least one run.

They have to take advantage of those spots if they expect to beat a good team. They're not getting the timely hits they were to start the season.
Sometimes I just want to  
Headhunter : 5/3/2015 1:35 pm : link
chew glass.
Hate to say it  
Rflairr : 5/3/2015 1:39 pm : link
but it all of sudden looks exactly like the team of last season. Awful hitting with RISP. Terrible defense. And striking out a ton. Looks like they're going to need everyone of those games from that hot start.
RE: Hate to say it  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12268361 Rflairr said:
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but it all of sudden looks exactly like the team of last season. Awful hitting with RISP. Terrible defense. And striking out a ton. Looks like they're going to need everyone of those games from that hot start.


I think when DW and TDA return it will be different.
They need  
Headhunter : 5/3/2015 1:43 pm : link
David Wright and TDA, they need Steven Matz getting the ball every 5th day. They need Noah Syndergaard getting the ball every 5th day
Truth is the only place they're truly better than most teams they face  
Eric on Li : 5/3/2015 1:47 pm : link
is in the starting rotation. The BP should develop into an advantage as they get healthier too. But the defense is at best average everywhere except Lagares and the lineup is a bag of somewhat mismatched parts. A lot of guys at various stages of their careers, but really very few of them in their "prime". Probably just Duda/Murphy honestly. This team should be a playoff contender all season and has the upside for even more thanks to all the young talent, but it has legitimate weaknesses.
Yes, I'd love to see Matz and Thor also  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 1:49 pm : link
but it doesn't really matter if they still can't score runs.

Let's hope that DW picks up where he left off but even that's not a given. DW and TdA weren't ALL of their offense before they got hurt. And you can even say that Murphy and Legares have picked up their slack.

They need to be better offensively...period. DW and TdA's absence doesn't excuse that.
I understand that statistically  
Headhunter : 5/3/2015 1:53 pm : link
Matz & Thor over the course of their first season might statistically have the same or higher ERA's than the guys they replace. But the one thing they bring to the table is the ability to dominate the other team and put fear of domination in their opponents if they have their good stuff that day. Sure they will have days that they are mediocre, but the fear of playing the Mets know you can be embarrassed is more important than the fear of being shut down by a crafty pitcher who locates and changes speeds. They change the whole perception of the Mets
Nice play by Duda  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 1:55 pm : link
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RE: I understand that statistically  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12268387 Headhunter said:
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But the one thing they bring to the table is the ability to dominate the other team and put fear of domination in their opponents if they have their good stuff that day.


Don't you think they have to prove it at the MLB level before they start putting the fear of domination in their opponents mind? Neither of them have done jack at the MLB level and I highly doubt that opposing teams will fear them right off the bat. They have to prove it first. Just like Montero, right? :)
I was not a fan of the Tulo trade projection,  
GiantBlue : 5/3/2015 2:01 pm : link
But now I have changed my mind. He fixes. A few problems....including our constant goose eggs vs the Nationals.
I think you are right they haven't done it  
Headhunter : 5/3/2015 2:04 pm : link
in the Majors but their last couple of games they showed that they could. Matt Harvey wasn't anything more than a touted rookie when he took the mound in Arizona in 2012. He quickly changed that perception. Matz and Syndergaard have the ability and everyone in baseball knows it. You are correct that they haven't done it in the bigs, I can't argue that
Pitching hasn't been the problem  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 2:07 pm : link
Sure they eventually have to find spots for the young pitchers but when you lose games 1-0 like last night that really isn't the biggest concern.
RE: I was not a fan of the Tulo trade projection,  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12268400 GiantBlue said:
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But now I have changed my mind. He fixes. A few problems....including our constant goose eggs vs the Nationals.


At times I have felt the same...until I realized that the second he got to the Mets he would be hurt and out for the season lol.
Tejada's range is 1,000 times worse than Flores.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
How do you not get to that ball?
It drives me nuts they didn't upgrade Tejada in the offseason  
Eric on Li : 5/3/2015 2:22 pm : link
he is a losing player through and through. Stephen Drew would have been a massive upgrade.
Every game I see Tejada play he's diving for balls he should  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 2:23 pm : link
get to or the ball goes under his glove if he even gets there. He's truly awful.
Cuddyer witha SLOW break on that ball  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 2:43 pm : link
cost him
Thanks for the mess, Gee.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 2:47 pm : link
Jesus.
Cut Tejada  
spike : 5/3/2015 2:47 pm : link
And bring up tovar
Great job by Torres  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 2:58 pm : link
big time relief
You can't ask for more  
Headhunter : 5/3/2015 2:59 pm : link
if that doesn't light a fire under the offense I am a loss
Gee owes Torres a dinner!  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 2:59 pm : link
That was awesome
Duda is due for a HR  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:02 pm : link
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Almost (grin)  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:02 pm : link
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...  
92_Ms : 5/3/2015 3:04 pm : link
Amazing performance from Torres
Wow  
Rflairr : 5/3/2015 3:04 pm : link
After that pitching from Torres. That's how they respond?
the Mets couldn't let us enjoy that win streak for long  
chris r : 5/3/2015 3:05 pm : link
without reminding us that they're the mets.
The hitting is flat out cold right now  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Kevin Long is maybe not quite the genius he was being made out to be the first month of the season.

They need DW and TDA back asap. Too many holes in this lineup that negatively effects it as a whole.
brian Sabean of the Giants (GM) is personally scouting  
spike : 5/3/2015 3:09 pm : link
Niese,Gee and Murphy, so I foresee some of them will get traded soon.
I would hate to lose Murphy at this point  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:11 pm : link
I honestly don't know if they can afford to lose his bat.
OK lets see if they have enough pride to not get shut out two games  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:13 pm : link
in a row against a division rival.
The Nats have great pitching  
spike : 5/3/2015 3:16 pm : link
throwing 1's and 2's at you every night
Got to pinch hit for Tejada here  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
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please PH tejada  
spike : 5/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
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RE: The Nats have great pitching  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2015 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12268510 spike said:
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throwing 1's and 2's at you every night


Yeah well, everyone else has been seeming to hit them fine.
This makes no sense  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:20 pm : link
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we have no bench or what?  
spike : 5/3/2015 3:23 pm : link
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RE: we have no bench or what?  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12268521 spike said:
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I don't know what Collins is saving it for if not that situation?
I'm admittedly cranky watching  
LoudenSwain : 5/3/2015 3:26 pm : link
Right now, but for fucks sake do I really have to watch Ruben fucking tejada in the big spot. Fuck.
LoudenSwain  
Earl the goat : 5/3/2015 3:28 pm : link
Cooch and Shoot agree with you. Throw in Mr tanneman and Carly
Mets cant buy a run at this point  
Giants4246 : 5/3/2015 3:39 pm : link
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Nats doing everything to give this one to the Mets  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:46 pm : link
Will they take advantage
Man is this frustrating to watch  
steve in ky : 5/3/2015 3:53 pm : link
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Murph walks  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2015 3:58 pm : link
plawecki sacrifice, wilmer PH walk off HR
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