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Flowers role in 2015

A1022 : 5/3/2015 2:27 pm
I know this is a "future" pick. He needs work on his technique and blah blah blah. But the thing I like most about this pick is he can/should challenge for a G spot right now. The interior line needs more help than outside right now. 2 340lb lineman help out a lot. The fact that both have experience at T is a bonus. If Flowers can't beat Jerry this year it isn't the end of the world. But I hope they take the same approach they did with Richburg(and I know injuries were involved)in regard to Flowers.

Please don't move Pugh inside. I constantly hear people say he would be better there, but nothing about his game tells me that's his best fit in our offense. If anything, I think he is the best player on our roster to play LT should we cut Beatty in the future. We need big, aggressive guys with a mean streak to flank our undersized and still very green Center. Flowers may be our LT for the future. Or RT. But in 2015, we need a Guard. And he fits the bill.
I too think that OG might be Flowers best position initially.  
yatqb : 5/3/2015 2:30 pm : link
It will be interesting to see how they use him.
in all the post pick interviews by the front office  
Coach Mason : 5/3/2015 2:33 pm : link
They talked about him being a Right or Left tackle. They are likely going to give him every opportunity to win the RT job and then in a year or 2 replace Beatty at LT (similiar to Tyron Smith).
I may be in the minority  
Marty866b : 5/3/2015 2:35 pm : link
But i think Pugh's best position is tackle and he has the feet to possibly play the left side. I like my guards with better lower body strength and girth then what Pugh has.
It will be interesting to see how they approach this  
BillT : 5/3/2015 2:36 pm : link
I think Pugh is a tackle as well but Flowers is too. I don't see where putting Flowers at guard is a great idea if they see him as a tackle and I'm sure they do. So they've got three tackles and still have to make a decision on who's the other guard opposite Schwartz. People may think this is nuts but Im not sure Flowers beats out Jerry. Playing guard is a tough transition for a rookie who has been a tackle for his career. Guard isn't an easy position to learn.
BillT  
A1022 : 5/3/2015 2:49 pm : link
I agree with everything you said. While he may not beat Jerry for a starting spot, again that's not the end of the world for a rookie with technique issues. But out of the 3 Tackles, which one would you feel more comfortable with kicking inside?
A10  
BillT : 5/3/2015 2:55 pm : link
That's just it I'm not comfortable kicking any of them inside. Of course, gun to my head it would be Pugh who has the experience to handle the transition better I would think. That "gives" the RT job to Flowers and I'm not sure he's a plug and play type even at RT. But I'm just guessing. I'm confident that the coaching staff isn't as clueless as me.
BillT  
A1022 : 5/3/2015 3:10 pm : link
Great response. Still, I think I would rather have Flowers kick inside this year while working on his flaws and coach him up for the future. He doesn't need to be a Pro Bowler or OROY, jut get used to the NFL. 2016 is a long way out. He could possibly help out now at a position of need.
He will start out at RT  
UberAlias : 5/3/2015 3:31 pm : link
And likely remain there in his time with us. Count on it.
He  
AcidTest : 5/3/2015 3:45 pm : link
will be given every chance at the RT job. My guess is he wins it. If not, inside to guard. Jerry is terrible, at least at run blocking, which is thankfully Flowers's strength. If he can't beat out Jerry, we drafted the wrong guy.
I don't remember where I read this, so I can't link it,  
81_Great_Dane : 5/3/2015 3:56 pm : link
but I seem to recall reading that Flowers isn't well suited to guard. Normally you'd put a guy like that inside, maybe at LG, and have him learn there while leaving Pugh alone at the position he was drafted to play. But if Flowers isn't a good guard, that won't work.
flowers or Pugh  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/3/2015 4:10 pm : link
will wind up at LT when Beatty is done
think they bith play rt  
Dankbeerman : 5/3/2015 4:18 pm : link
To start and if flowers takes the job from Pugh Pugh moves inside. Think flowers works with the 2's through a week I'd camp before they move anyone
think they bith play rt  
Dankbeerman : 5/3/2015 4:18 pm : link
To start and if flowers takes the job from Pugh Pugh moves inside. Think flowers works with the 2's through a week I'd camp before they move anyone
People say Flowers has a lot of technique issues  
Ira : 5/3/2015 4:24 pm : link
that need to be coached up, so I'm guessing a year at guard might be safer for Eli.
Don't agree  
jeff57 : 5/3/2015 4:25 pm : link
RT.
If he has to start at guard it would be kind of a disappointment.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2015 4:26 pm : link
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RE: think they bith play rt  
Milton : 5/3/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12268590 Dankbeerman said:
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To start and if flowers takes the job from Pugh Pugh moves inside. Think flowers works with the 2's through a week I'd camp before they move anyone

This is what I hope they don't do. If Pugh is going to start the season at left guard, I'd rather he was playing there all through camp. And not just for his sake, but for the sake of Beatty and Richburg, too. Let Flowers begin camp behind Newhouse at right tackle.
Flowers isn't beating Pugh out at RT  
BillT : 5/3/2015 4:30 pm : link
And like others here have said he's not a guard and I think will have trouble beating out Jerry at guard. Now, they may move Pugh no matter and I think Pugh is better that Jerry and give Flowers the RT spot and that may be the best OL overall but it's possible they could think they are better off with Jerry at guard given his exoeriance.
RE: Flowers isn't beating Pugh out at RT  
SGMen : 5/3/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12268612 BillT said:
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And like others here have said he's not a guard and I think will have trouble beating out Jerry at guard. Now, they may move Pugh no matter and I think Pugh is better that Jerry and give Flowers the RT spot and that may be the best OL overall but it's possible they could think they are better off with Jerry at guard given his experience.
This will be a developmental year for RT Flowers. I just don't think at age 21 and with his technique issues that he'll beat out Pugh for RT. For him to learn OG, well, I just don't see it happening.

I see Flowers playing OT on special teams; I see Flowers on 3rd and short, but I don't think he starts this year over Pugh. He plays if injuries hit and lets face it they often do.

Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Jerry-Pugh will likely be our opening day starters.

I do love our future potential with B. Jones & E. Flowers though. I think both of them will learn this year and blossom by next year.
The Jints drafted Flowers the #9 over all pick, that is a huge  
213374 : 5/3/2015 4:58 pm : link
investment, if anyone thinks Flowers will play ST or come in on 3rd down they are nuts! Flowers will start some where on the Oline, if he doesn't the Jints made a mistake drafting him where they did. The thing I want to hear coming out of camp is that he is mean, nasty, and crushes people!
RE: He will start out at RT  
BlueLou : 5/3/2015 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12268533 UberAlias said:
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And likely remain there in his time with us. Count on it.


This kid is a born ORT. Bet on it. Pugh is more suited to OG, he has excellent movement in space to pull and trap.
You do not pick an OG who is a development player  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/3/2015 5:53 pm : link
with the 9th pick in the draft.

Even though the Giants have believed it, despite all proof to the contrary, most OL are not that interchangeable.

You stick Flowers at RT, simplify by not having to learn 500 positions, and stick the short-armed guy who is not all that powerful, but can move, at LG.

And the key point is that they be good at their starting positions, versatility is not all that important for the starters.
I'd be betting on Flowers  
mrvax : 5/3/2015 6:00 pm : link
NOT unseating Pugh at RT this year, no way no how.
I see him probably doing enough to be placed at guard to get used to the NFL game in his 1dt season while he works on his technique.

An educated guess is that Pugh is the future LOT and Flowers is a nice replay of Kareem McKensie at ROT.
They made a mistake drafting Pugh ...  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2015 6:01 pm : link
Now they're trying to correct it by drafting Flowers. The question - what to do with Pugh ?

The only answer, move Pugh to LG.

I agree, you don't draft somebody #9 over-all, to sit him and treat him as a "developmental" player. Maybe in the NFL of 20 years ago, but not today.
I could agree with that.  
barens : 5/3/2015 6:14 pm : link
The thing that scares me is if they move Pugh to guard, and he struggles. Then we have a rookie right tackle, and a liability at guard.
How many rookies come in and  
RollBlue : 5/3/2015 6:32 pm : link
excel at Tackle??? Even top over all picks tend to struggle. The kid is 21, plug him in at LG this year (similar to Martin) and let him move to Tackle in a year or two.
He's gonna be the starter at RT.  
drkenneth : 5/3/2015 6:38 pm : link
I expect him to win the job, and I think the Giants do as well. He's a top 10 pick.

Whether or not he is a LT is up in the air, but his ceiling is huge.

There's nothing not to like about this pick.
RE: How many rookies come in and  
mrvax : 5/3/2015 6:39 pm : link
In comment 12268775 RollBlue said:
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excel at Tackle??? Even top over all picks tend to struggle. The kid is 21, plug him in at LG this year (similar to Martin) and let him move to Tackle in a year or two.


This is correct. Pugh who was more polished coming out only played ROT because of injuries. I fully expect it to take at least 1 year at guard before Flowers is NFL ready to move up to tackle. Remember, very highly rated future tackles like Robert Gallery never did become a tackle. He remained a good guard. If Flowers makes a smooth transition to tackle (either side) by year 2-3, he will be a good pick, IMO. The guy is a mauler in the run game and I expect even at guard his 1st year, he will help our run game a bunch.
I dont see him at guard  
BillT : 5/3/2015 6:49 pm : link
He's got no experience there and he's not built like a guard and guard isn't necessarily any easier to learn. I think they'll try and get him going at RT but it's not a given he's ready for that this year. I hope he is.
This thread is hilarious.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/3/2015 7:52 pm : link
Flowers Is An Ass Kicker And Will Start From Day One. Coughlin And Reese Were Very Clear With Their Comments About Pugh That He'll Go Wherever They Decide To Place Him.
RE: I may be in the minority  
giantgiantfan : 5/3/2015 8:00 pm : link
In comment 12268461 Marty866b said:
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But i think Pugh's best position is tackle and he has the feet to possibly play the left side. I like my guards with better lower body strength and girth then what Pugh has.


I agree here. I think Pugh can move, but isn't a power guy which is what you want more out of an LT. But for this thread, I would be happy to see:

Beatty - Schwartz - Richburg - Flowers - Pugh.

It's possible that you swap Schwartz and Flowers (good arguments for both) but then you have two guys out of position. Now we still lack some legit depth, but if we can get lucky with one guy that can play G or RT good enough that gives us some flexibility if we go down a guy.
Sorry a mistake in my post  
giantgiantfan : 5/3/2015 8:01 pm : link
you want more of a power guy at RT than LT if you have to pick.
it has nothing to do with Pugh vs Flowers  
George from PA : 5/3/2015 8:05 pm : link
More to do with John Jerry.

Is it better to have Jerry at LG and Pugh at Rt

Or

Pugh at LG and Flowers at Rt seems be what would be favored
Flowers  
Percy : 5/3/2015 8:17 pm : link
Will start. G or OT, who cares? Pugh will keep RT or not. One will play G, one will not. Both will start. This is not a bad thing.
I think they'll  
bluepepper : 5/3/2015 8:49 pm : link
give Flowers every opportunity to start at RT. That means Pugh to G early in camp. At some point if it appears Flowers can't cut it as a starter, Pugh is back to RT and Flowers is depth at both LT and RT. With injuries, he will get a decent amount of playing time even as a backup. And then start in 2016.
Surprised at the Flowers to OG comments..  
yungdeeks : 5/3/2015 11:56 pm : link
This guy is a tackle -- this year he is the starting RT. I am holding out hope that Pugh will turn a corner this season but he was simply atrocious at RT last season. We better hope that Flowers can beat him out there and I don't see two out of our three most recent first round draft picks rotting on the bench when our next best alternative is John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse.
Pugh who was drafted at the end of the first round started out  
BSIMatt : 5/4/2015 1:26 am : link
at tackle, not guard. If Pugh had lit the world on fire at tackle then I dont think the Giants would have spent the 9th overall pick on a player Reese and Coughlin kept emphasizing was a tackle. I think Flowers is the RT for 2015.
Wen they drafted Pugh they said  
nicky43 : 5/4/2015 9:21 am : link
they loved how he can play any position on the line. He's going to Guard and Flowers to RT would be my guess.

Flowers at RT, Pugh at LG  
JonC : 5/4/2015 9:26 am : link
It's going to happen, dudes. Flowers is the powerful mountain you want at RT, and he's not well suited to OG Pugh is going to get a look to be what Seubert was, in plain terms.
Flowers at rt  
DavidinBMNY : 5/4/2015 10:49 pm : link
Pugh to LG. This has been plan a. If Flowers crashes and Burms they need a plan b.

This offers power running right and pulling options with Pugh and Richburg we haven't had inside in a while.
I will be absolutely shocked  
Matt M. : 5/5/2015 10:37 am : link
if he isn't the starting RT with Pugh at LG. If either of these things is not the case, either 1 of them is hurt or crashed and burned.
RE: Flowers at RT, Pugh at LG  
Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:38 am : link
In comment 12269616 JonC said:
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It's going to happen, dudes. Flowers is the powerful mountain you want at RT, and he's not well suited to OG Pugh is going to get a look to be what Seubert was, in plain terms.


Unless he clearly bombs early, that is the plan..
On completing the O-line rebuild  
#10* : 5/5/2015 11:45 am : link
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