I heard this yesterday morning, but didn't believe it since I didn't believe this 'source' would be exposed to the info. He said Zucc was told he'd only re-gain 80% of his motor skills and that he's in awful shape.
The last guy I know of to have a fractured skull was Blake Geoffrion, and he had to retire.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
it makes the Yandle trade a double gut punch since a) Yandle hasn't been the offensive force we thought we'd be getting and b) Duclair was traded and he could have been a potential (imperfect) substitute.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
maybe it was testerdays game thread,,,? Anyhoo, he said he wasat game and heard it was bad news for Zucc, worse than a concussion. I feared the worst with this ass soon as it happened... fractured skull doesn't surprise me 1 bit!! I feel for Zucc & the whole Org... We're jst under this black cloud with career ending inuries (or deaths) Goal scorers can't score, heart beat of team is done for season...(hopefully he will still have a normal life)
We just seem to have to persevere thru more than most!!!
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Overage 6'3 guy. I havent seen him or any great writeup of his development this year, but even if I had it would be hard to tell if he's just bigger, older, stronger than the competition or if he turned a corner. I wouldnt expect him to play in NY at all next year, but who knows -- Slats isnt shy about rushing prospects with little AHL experience.
What I have read indicates that he still isnt a power forward type -- more in the mold of a lesser Rick Nash who doesnt throw his size around with hits and establishing position down low.
People on HF who claim sources (some of whom have posted correct info before) are hinting at the same thing. Mods over there delete anything not from a verified source because they suck, though.
that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Being out for the season would be likely.
He was in the hospital. Brooks said he was in for at least one night.
I have a hard time buying the motor skills thing too - it just seems too soon to know (and like I said, I don't think the guy I heard that line from is someone in the know).
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
I was being glib.
I know. You only post on this board to bust my balls. You're kind of like a more selective MiamiHurricanesFan
that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Being out for the season would be likely.
I remember reading on snyrangersblog that he spent a night at the hospital.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
I was being glib.
I know. You only post on this board to bust my balls. You're kind of like a more selective MiamiHurricanesFan
Yep, that's precisely the right analogy.
Zucc also hasn't opened my snapchats in like a fucking week.
that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Being out for the season would be likely.
He was in the hospital. Brooks said he was in for at least one night.
I have a hard time buying the motor skills thing too - it just seems too soon to know (and like I said, I don't think the guy I heard that line from is someone in the know).
One night is observation - anybody that gets smacked that hard in the head is should spend the night in the hospital.
Just hope he gets better and is not left with concussion symptoms for an extended period.
that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Being out for the season would be likely.
I'm hoping this is the case. Seems believable that this is the injury and his season is over. But hopefully the motor skill part is off and his career isn't over.
But if it really is a situation where not only his career, but his life-long health is in jeopardy, that's just awful. Best wishes to him in being able to get back to, at the very least, good health and a normal life.
Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
Hockey players, tradition bound (lose a couple of teeth taking a puck in the chops, stitched up, return next period), old fashioned suck it up and return to the ice: the comments of AV and McDonough, I fear, may be the bravado, the refuse-to-acknowledge-the worst warrior types of Canada and the north--we're going to muster through regardless, a type of noble obliviousness to the worst...
just horrible news if true. Last year, MSL's mom, this year, Zuccs, Blueshirts don't need any more of these
Who said that he's just got a concussion and has to avoid lights, TVs, etc. so he's very bored. FWIW, it just sounds like a concussion that's a wait and see injury, not a skull fracture/brain damage situation.
We heard similar stuff about Hank while he was out. "Career might be over.. might be at high risk for strokes, etc"
A lot of it turned out to be bogus.
The stroke thing came from Lundqvist himself. The career might be over stuff came from fans worrying - there was never a source, and the beat reporters said there was no career risk the day he was diagnosed.
The overall point is that tons of misinformation gets thrown around. I'm glad the info was shared but I can't take 2nd/3rd hand stuff as fact until it comes from a more reliable source.
But this is different than the Lundqvist situation where it was strictly fans speculating about the severity of the injury rather than people claiming information.
I can't fathom though if he really had a fractured skull that the Rangers wouldn't just come out and say he's out for the year. I did see that fulltilt link yesterday, but it's all speculation.
IIRC, he was on the "Beginnings" for Zuccarello and they grew up together playing hockey in Norway. So of anything that's come out so far, I'd be inclined to think he's at least got some sort of idea what's going on.
but i'm not buying it. If he had a fractured skull or loss of motor skills, the team or Zuccs family would have come out and said something.
He might very well be done for the season, no idea... but I seriously doubt his career is in jeopardy.
Just such a senseless, preventable fucking injury. People mention helmets above but he took a direct shot with a puck in an exposed earhole. Its criminal that the NHL doesn't do more to protect its players. And you would think by now the Rangers would be driving this research by now too - from losing Staal for the year to an eye injury, to Hank getting hit in the neck because his helmet came off waaay too fucking easily, to Sauer's career ending because his helmet wasn't on right... you've gotta be fucking kidding me. Start protecting your billion dollar enterprise goddamnit.
but i'm not buying it. If he had a fractured skull or loss of motor skills, the team or Zuccs family would have come out and said something.
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HIPPA - without his consent nobody can say anything. He could be on close supervision due to swelling, blood thinners to prevent a clot, etc. You're not going to get updates on those conditions b/c it's ongoing and if this was just a concussion you woukd likely have an update.
also, if this injury is serious it becomes the story. Rangers players will be peppered with questions regarding Zucs more than the game while the media would be mentioning it and writing about it non-stop.
so you really think Zuccs has put a gag order on everyone?
"Hippa" - yeah ok... anyway, back to the conversation.
If his season was definitely over, the team would have brought some of the kids up during the week long break before the Caps series to get as much practice as possible with their new teammates, etc.
And of all the pitchers struck by baseballs at 100mph+ ... the most serious one that I know of was Brandon McCarthy... who had to have surgery, missed a year, but has been back in the big leagues for 2 years now.
I just find it very hard to believe a puck shot to the ear (which the helmet probably absorbed at least some of the blow) would cause someone permanent motor injury. It would be this team's Luck ... don't get me wrong... but its just very hard to believe.
also, if this injury is serious it becomes the story. Rangers players will be peppered with questions regarding Zucs more than the game while the media would be mentioning it and writing about it non-stop.
Nah, its actually more of a story because the Rangers don't say anything. Were the Habs peppered with non-stop questions about Carey Price last ECF? No.
The only story here is that the NHL and Bettman should be sued for willful negligence towards player safety. It's absolutely disgusting that something like this could have happened.
the Rangers pull out all the stops to get Buch over here this summer if there was risk Zuccs career was over.
The actions of the franchise the past week just aren't supporting this worst case scenario rumor.
Right, the actions don't support a worst case scenario for Zucc.
With that said, it's not like a concussion (which seems to be the optimistic scenario) is anything the team could pretend to have certainty over either (Sauer comes to mind).
I mean i'm at a loss for words. The Rangers aren't saying anything because they are worried about Zuccs suing them apparently.
Is this the same guy that said the NHL (Winter Classic) was test running something for the NFL?
Kids - no, that's not the point. It's not a matter of suing as much as it's a matter of not being able to make an announcment during ongoing supervision. This is a head injury and docs do not convey info to anybody without consent nor can Zuks himself provide an explanation during on going supervision.
With that said, it's not like a concussion (which seems to be the optimistic scenario) is anything the team could pretend to have certainty over either (Sauer comes to mind).
True. It's also why I fell out of my chair when I read someone post here a week ago that we'd be lucky if Zuccs had a concussion rather than a broken jaw. The former is career threatening - the latter can be played with and fully recovers in 4-5 weeks.
I know you don''t understand much and need some Zuks info to fill that empty schedule but you can learn at your own pace. You may not understand head injuries and obviously guessed wrong on a concussion just as you guessed wrong on claims Flores is a natural SS but hang in there. You will get one right. Just try not to meltdown kid.
is too stupid to realize that when an athlete signs a professional contract they also sign a hippa waiver.
Mook too smart to realize without a diagnosis there is nothing to report. Apparently he hasn't followed along nor does he understand the topic in the first place.
Mook too smart to realize without a diagnosis there is nothing to report. Apparently he hasn't followed along nor does he understand the topic in the first place.
If you and others want the Rangers to make announcement of Zuks prior to diagnosis or make a false diagnosis that's your business but not the way it works. An upper body injury is what you have and if the speculation is too much to handle, that's too bad. Without a diagnosis the Rangers cannot make up a story simply b/c a few adults with kids schedules needs news so they can post about it.
If you and others want the Rangers to make announcement of Zuks prior to diagnosis or make a false diagnosis that's your business but not the way it works. An upper body injury is what you have and if the speculation is too much to handle, that's too bad. Without a diagnosis the Rangers cannot make up a story simply b/c a few adults with kids schedules needs news so they can post about it.
You seem completely unaware of your own posts. Mook's evaluation seems generous at this point.
The last guy I know of to have a fractured skull was Blake Geoffrion, and he had to retire.
Makes no sense.
Zucc had a concussion back in 2011 (I believe) with the Connecticut Whale, but only missed a few days.
Feel terrible for him.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
We just seem to have to persevere thru more than most!!!
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
I was being glib.
Being out for the season would be likely.
What I have read indicates that he still isnt a power forward type -- more in the mold of a lesser Rick Nash who doesnt throw his size around with hits and establishing position down low.
Being out for the season would be likely.
He was in the hospital. Brooks said he was in for at least one night.
I have a hard time buying the motor skills thing too - it just seems too soon to know (and like I said, I don't think the guy I heard that line from is someone in the know).
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
I was being glib.
I know. You only post on this board to bust my balls. You're kind of like a more selective MiamiHurricanesFan
Being out for the season would be likely.
I remember reading on snyrangersblog that he spent a night at the hospital.
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Also, I don't get the comments by AV after that game that Zucc was 'alright' and the comment from McDonagh the following Monday that it isn't too serious.
Makes no sense.
And Buch resigning for a season in the KHL because of the Rangers NHL level depth. If this was true, we'd need to replace one or two (MSL) NHL level scoring line wings.
Do you have any thoughts on Tambellini and his ability to be a top nine winger?
I don't follow the prospects as much as I used to, but he's apparently done really well this year.
Anak's the man to ask.
Tambo's absolutely tearing it up in the playoffs
I was being glib.
I know. You only post on this board to bust my balls. You're kind of like a more selective MiamiHurricanesFan
Yep, that's precisely the right analogy.
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that a guy that wasn't hospitalized is going to lose 20% of his motor skills. I can believe the fractured skull. Still if he had brain swelling that bad, he'd have been in the hospital.
Being out for the season would be likely.
He was in the hospital. Brooks said he was in for at least one night.
I have a hard time buying the motor skills thing too - it just seems too soon to know (and like I said, I don't think the guy I heard that line from is someone in the know).
One night is observation - anybody that gets smacked that hard in the head is should spend the night in the hospital.
Just hope he gets better and is not left with concussion symptoms for an extended period.
LGR.
Being out for the season would be likely.
I'm hoping this is the case. Seems believable that this is the injury and his season is over. But hopefully the motor skill part is off and his career isn't over.
Video at link.
Link - ( New Window )
Makes no sense.
Hockey players, tradition bound (lose a couple of teeth taking a puck in the chops, stitched up, return next period), old fashioned suck it up and return to the ice: the comments of AV and McDonough, I fear, may be the bravado, the refuse-to-acknowledge-the worst warrior types of Canada and the north--we're going to muster through regardless, a type of noble obliviousness to the worst...
just horrible news if true. Last year, MSL's mom, this year, Zuccs, Blueshirts don't need any more of these
A lot of it turned out to be bogus.
A lot of it turned out to be bogus.
The stroke thing came from Lundqvist himself. The career might be over stuff came from fans worrying - there was never a source, and the beat reporters said there was no career risk the day he was diagnosed.
The overall point is that tons of misinformation gets thrown around. I'm glad the info was shared but I can't take 2nd/3rd hand stuff as fact until it comes from a more reliable source.
MYSTERY AROUND SEVERITY OF MATS ZUCCARELLO INJURY LEADING TO WILD SPECULATION - ( New Window )
Not really speculation when someone is claiming information from a source. Speculating is what we're with that information.
You're welcome for today's lesson.
Also, the player quoted in the link is wrong because Zucc did suffer a concussion before.
I can't fathom though if he really had a fractured skull that the Rangers wouldn't just come out and say he's out for the year. I did see that fulltilt link yesterday, but it's all speculation.
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...I'd say there's plenty of speculation with no concrete info behind it being passed around.
Not really speculation when someone is claiming information from a source. Speculating is what we're with that information.
You're welcome for today's lesson.
Also, the player quoted in the link is wrong because Zucc did suffer a concussion before.
to be fair, the guy said he didn't think, not that he didn't.
He might very well be done for the season, no idea... but I seriously doubt his career is in jeopardy.
Just such a senseless, preventable fucking injury. People mention helmets above but he took a direct shot with a puck in an exposed earhole. Its criminal that the NHL doesn't do more to protect its players. And you would think by now the Rangers would be driving this research by now too - from losing Staal for the year to an eye injury, to Hank getting hit in the neck because his helmet came off waaay too fucking easily, to Sauer's career ending because his helmet wasn't on right... you've gotta be fucking kidding me. Start protecting your billion dollar enterprise goddamnit.
t.
HIPPA - without his consent nobody can say anything. He could be on close supervision due to swelling, blood thinners to prevent a clot, etc. You're not going to get updates on those conditions b/c it's ongoing and if this was just a concussion you woukd likely have an update.
"Hippa" - yeah ok... anyway, back to the conversation.
If his season was definitely over, the team would have brought some of the kids up during the week long break before the Caps series to get as much practice as possible with their new teammates, etc.
And of all the pitchers struck by baseballs at 100mph+ ... the most serious one that I know of was Brandon McCarthy... who had to have surgery, missed a year, but has been back in the big leagues for 2 years now.
I just find it very hard to believe a puck shot to the ear (which the helmet probably absorbed at least some of the blow) would cause someone permanent motor injury. It would be this team's Luck ... don't get me wrong... but its just very hard to believe.
Nah, its actually more of a story because the Rangers don't say anything. Were the Habs peppered with non-stop questions about Carey Price last ECF? No.
The only story here is that the NHL and Bettman should be sued for willful negligence towards player safety. It's absolutely disgusting that something like this could have happened.
The actions of the franchise the past week just aren't supporting this worst case scenario rumor.
Is this the same guy that said the NHL (Winter Classic) was test running something for the NFL?
The actions of the franchise the past week just aren't supporting this worst case scenario rumor.
Right, the actions don't support a worst case scenario for Zucc.
With that said, it's not like a concussion (which seems to be the optimistic scenario) is anything the team could pretend to have certainty over either (Sauer comes to mind).
Is this the same guy that said the NHL (Winter Classic) was test running something for the NFL?
Kids - no, that's not the point. It's not a matter of suing as much as it's a matter of not being able to make an announcment during ongoing supervision. This is a head injury and docs do not convey info to anybody without consent nor can Zuks himself provide an explanation during on going supervision.
The more you know.
With that said, it's not like a concussion (which seems to be the optimistic scenario) is anything the team could pretend to have certainty over either (Sauer comes to mind).
True. It's also why I fell out of my chair when I read someone post here a week ago that we'd be lucky if Zuccs had a concussion rather than a broken jaw. The former is career threatening - the latter can be played with and fully recovers in 4-5 weeks.
Mook too smart to realize without a diagnosis there is nothing to report. Apparently he hasn't followed along nor does he understand the topic in the first place.
Don't think we don't appreciate the irony.
You seem completely unaware of your own posts. Mook's evaluation seems generous at this point.
(P.S... it's HIPAA. If you're going to make some completely ridiculous/incorrect claim, at least get that much right... )
Hope Zuccs gets through it.
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