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NFT: Game 3: New York Rangers @ Washington Capitals Game Thread

BrettNYG10 : 5/4/2015 7:29 am
Best road team in the league this year.

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RE: not shitting on it  
Kyle in NY : 5/5/2015 7:24 am : link
In comment 12271414 MetsAreBack said:
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just hoping losing in 5 isn't this team's peak. I want Hank to look back on his career with a Cup. He goes down IMO as the all-time greatest NY Ranger if he gets that done.

Better than Richter at his craft and more longevity here than Messier. He deserves it and we are just as good as any team remaining, even without Zucc - just need some puck luck and some guys to step up, maybe start taking some chances, and to be better than the other guy.


I agree, I want it badly for Hank. He deserves better than the goal scoring he's gotten through the years.
What's especially frustrating  
Kyle in NY : 5/5/2015 7:27 am : link
is this season we finally had a top offense. 3rd in the league in scoring. The first time we've ever had a top 10 goal scoring offense during Hank's career. We had/have true scoring depth. And yet, we're still seeing the familiar pattern in the playoffs with the offense.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 7:32 am : link
Nash looked great last night... But it means nothing if he's not scoring. Fucking Christ.

I thought MSL and Boyle both had decent games, actually. Maybe my bar is just so low.

Yandle looked as lost as chopperhatch. Atrocious game from him (and that's ignoring the unlucky bounce).

WHY AREN'T YOU FUCKING HUGGING THE POST THERE HENRIK?!

On to the next one.
RE: What's especially frustrating  
Essex : 5/5/2015 7:35 am : link
In comment 12271513 Kyle in NY said:
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is this season we finally had a top offense. 3rd in the league in scoring. The first time we've ever had a top 10 goal scoring offense during Hank's career. We had/have true scoring depth. And yet, we're still seeing the familiar pattern in the playoffs with the offense.


I agree and the more frustrating part is that our shooting efficiency in the regular season I think was tops in the league. In the playoffs it has been awful. Last night, besides faceoffs and shooting efficiency, we played the exact game we wanted to play and we played well. That is both frustrating and frightening.

I think we could win the next three games if we shoot the puck better. We have been the better team in the two games we lost, which is also very frustrating. This whole playoffs have been frustrating.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 7:38 am : link
I'm surprised we haven't had more success in transition. The Caps are sending two forecheckers in consistently. Really frustrating.
last night was kind of the reverse of game 3  
Essex : 5/5/2015 7:44 am : link
of the 2012 ECF, we won that game, but the Devils were the better team that game and in the first three games and were down 2-1. They won the next three against us. I am hoping we do the same.
RE: ....  
Giants2012 : 5/5/2015 8:08 am : link
In comment 12271521 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'm surprised we haven't had more success in transition. The Caps are sending two forecheckers in consistently. Really frustrating.


IMO, it's usually a long cross ice pass which leaves the winger one on two while skaing on the outside. They skate/fly around the outside and rarely penetrate the middle.

Wish they would just skate it up rather than the cross ice pass or dumping it in. It helps the defenders keep up too as they're miles behind the play.
They had better win tomorrow, because this team is not going to  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 8:31 am : link
lose 3 straight like the Penguins did.

The NHL is about your stars playing at a high level and producing in the playoffs. It Nash is "not that guy" to carry the team, then he can not be allowed to take up $7.8 million in cap space. His game degenerates into a perimeter player when the going gets tough. I respect his work ethic and professionalism, but but I really don't give a shit that he kills penalties and backchecks if he's not scoring. You can get guys to do that for 1/10 of his salary. Loved the hit on Wilson though.

Kevin Hayes was a beast last night. Great game in all 3 zones, created and had many chances, but again, nobody lights the lamp.
I don't think it  
Stufftherun : 5/5/2015 8:48 am : link
has anything to do with their breakout or manuvering through the neutral zone rather it has to do with getting pucks to the net with traffic in front once they've gained the zone. The Caps D have been doing a good job of keeping the area in front of Holtby clean enabling him to see the puck and when pucks do get by the defending winger up high there's invariably another Cap defender in the shooting lane.

There are those who disagree but I thought we carried the play last night and just didn't get a bounce or two. As far as Hank not getting to the post in time to prevent that puck from going in goes, Beagle's stick wasn't even close to being in position for a wrap around, it looked more like an inadvertant pass or loss of possession that made its way off of Yandle's skate and into the net. Yandle has rarely been in the proper position to make a play in any of the 3 zones. I too thought Boyle had a decent night, he was very active jumping into the play ...we all know how often he can be overwhelmed in the D zone but that's nothing new. I think we all know the pairing of the two is as scary as it gets when they're hemmed in their own zone.

Gotta bring it tomorrow boys!
I have a terrible feeling about this series  
Sonic Youth : 5/5/2015 9:39 am : link
I really hope we can close this out. If we lose in this round, it's going to feel like the 2008 Giants.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 9:40 am : link
I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.
RE: ....  
Sonic Youth : 5/5/2015 9:47 am : link
In comment 12271670 BrettNYG10 said:
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I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.

bench him. Start Cam.

/sarcasm
Give me Skapski!  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 9:49 am : link
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RE: ....  
Madden11 : 5/5/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12271670 BrettNYG10 said:
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I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.


I believe Curtis Joseph shares that honor.
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RE: ....  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12271670 BrettNYG10 said:
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I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.

Cujo has more and never won a cup. Hank is the only one who has them all with one team and no cup though.
Good catch, guys.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 9:58 am : link
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RE: ....  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12271670 BrettNYG10 said:
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I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.


Not true. Curtis Joseph played in 133 playoff games. Andy Moog doesn't technically qualify because he has three rings, but he got them backing up Grant Fuhr. He didn't backstop a team to a Cup and he played over 100 playoff games. That was after maybe 5 minutes of searches on Hockey Reference. I'm sure there are more.
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Madden11 : 5/5/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12271709 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12271670 BrettNYG10 said:


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I read that Lundqvist is the only goalie to play 100 playoff games and never win a Cup.



Not true. Curtis Joseph played in 133 playoff games. Andy Moog doesn't technically qualify because he has three rings, but he got them backing up Grant Fuhr. He didn't backstop a team to a Cup and he played over 100 playoff games. That was after maybe 5 minutes of searches on Hockey Reference. I'm sure there are more.


According to Hockey Reference, only 20 guys have played 100+ NHL playoff games in net. Lundqvist and Joseph are the only two without a Stanley Cup, though your point about starter vs. backup is definitely relevant beyond the numbers.
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We already proved me wrong.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 10:04 am : link
Way to fucking pile on, Greg.
I don't see where everyone thinks the Rangers sucked last night...  
TEPLimey : 5/5/2015 10:04 am : link
They carried the play for large parts of the game. They got out muscled in front of Holty for the most part, but they were a couple of flukey bounces from taking this game. Nash might not be scoring, but at least he is playing good hockey overall.

The sky is not falling.
hah....that's what I get for not refreshing before posting  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:05 am : link
Hextall was the first name that came to mind but he only made it to 93 games.
and Tony Esposito was only off by one with 99  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:08 am : link
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in any case  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:13 am : link
I'm not looking to start the tiresome Callahan trade arguments again because Callahan was never going to be on the 2015 Rangers regardless, but they do miss him because he was the only garbageman they've had in recent years. That's the kind of guy they really could use now to pick up an ugly goal when they can't score the pretty goals.

Whatever. I can't believe people are panicking at a 1-2 deficit. They've lost one game because they inexplicably stopped playing with 5 seconds to go and another because of one fluke goal. I get that they're not scoring, and yes it's infuriating, and yes they have to do better, but this isn't anything like the 2013 series with Boston (to use the last series they were just flat out outclassed as an example). The Caps simply aren't anything special outside of Ovechkin. The Rangers will have every chance to win this. Whether or not they take it, who knows, but they're absolutely in it.
Good post, Greg  
bigbluehoya : 5/5/2015 10:16 am : link
The level of doom and gloom here is not commensurate with the state of things.
RE: and Tony Esposito was only off by one with 99  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12271739 Greg from LI said:
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He deserved not to win it after giving up a goal from the red line to Jacques Lemaire in Game 7
I dont think anyone thought the Rangers "sucked" last night  
MetsAreBack : 5/5/2015 10:17 am : link
but its more general frustration with why this team is not scoring and, most nights, not generating high quality scoring chances either. Its not just this series, we lived it through that Penguins series.

I thought our best offensive game was game 2 on Saturday - we scored 3, if Holtby wasnt excellent could have had 6. Was hoping we'd build off that but we didnt.

Game 1 we had high quality chances too, but guys just couldnt put fucking wood on the puck for some reason. Last night was different - IMO Holtby didnt have to work nearly hard enough.
That was in the 1971 Finals  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 10:17 am : link
one of the all time bad goals
MAB, as we dicussed yesterday, they don't shoot enough. Even McGuire  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 10:19 am : link
called them out on it last night, said they were "too cute" and need to start "pile driving pucks" to the net.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 10:19 am : link
And it looks like it's just with one team, which is only ten goalies according to Twitter.

I'm missing one:

Roy, Brodeur, Smith, Fuhr, Dryden, Barrasso, Broda, Osgood, and Lundqvist.

Maybe Roy is counted twice?
RE: in any case  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12271751 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not looking to start the tiresome Callahan trade arguments again because Callahan was never going to be on the 2015 Rangers regardless, but they do miss him because he was the only garbageman they've had in recent years. That's the kind of guy they really could use now to pick up an ugly goal when they can't score the pretty goals.

Whatever. I can't believe people are panicking at a 1-2 deficit. They've lost one game because they inexplicably stopped playing with 5 seconds to go and another because of one fluke goal. I get that they're not scoring, and yes it's infuriating, and yes they have to do better, but this isn't anything like the 2013 series with Boston (to use the last series they were just flat out outclassed as an example). The Caps simply aren't anything special outside of Ovechkin. The Rangers will have every chance to win this. Whether or not they take it, who knows, but they're absolutely in it.


Good post.
RE: That was in the 1971 Finals  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12271766 Victor in CT said:
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one of the all time bad goals



Before my time - was it as bad as the goddamned Ron Francis goal in 1992 that still haunts my memories after 23 years?
RE: MAB, as we dicussed yesterday, they don't shoot enough. Even McGuire  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:28 am : link
In comment 12271769 Victor in CT said:
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called them out on it last night, said they were "too cute" and need to start "pile driving pucks" to the net.


and this is a fair criticism. They have a lot of guys who are unselfish and want to make plays. That's great, but someone's got to have an attitude that "I'm gonna be the guy who scores here".
Rangers had trouble scoring in the last series too  
Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:28 am : link
Truth be told with Nash mysteriously fizzling out after 3/4 of an MVP caliber season, we lack great finishers around the net.

MSL used to be one of those guys, but he isn't the same player of earlier in his career either. Stepan,Kreider,Brassard are all well rounded players but you wouldn't call any great goal scorers.

Does this mean we can't win the series? Absolutely not. But unless Nash magically regains his shooting touch of earlier in the season, we will likely have to squeak out low scoring wins throughout the rest of the playoff run. And judging by Nash's career playoff numbers, it don't look promising for him to do that.

This teams first priority in the off-season should be somehow landing a guy with great scoring ability.



I hear you Greg  
Sonic Youth : 5/5/2015 10:29 am : link
For some reason, I'm way more negative with the Rangers than the Giants. Plus the two Superbowls took the sting out of a lot of Giants losses. Seeing them climb the mountaintop twice gives me something to take the edge off.

With the Rangers, I feel like they will always find a way to disappoint me in the end, the way I felt about the Giants pre-07.

But honestly, it's just a psychological thing, as I am usually wrong... Rangers win when I think they'll lose, and lose when I think they win, so I set myself up for a loss and hope for the best so I don't get too disappointed in the end. Sorry for going all StealingSociety on you guys (remember him? Fuck that dude).
they've tried to find that guy for years  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:30 am : link
First Gaborik was going to be that guy, now Nash. I still think Kreider has that kind of potential but he's not there yet.
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arcarsenal : 5/5/2015 10:30 am : link
Every single team in the NHL is looking to add a guy with "great scoring ability"

Easier said than done. And there's a salary cap.

Hopefully we see Buchnevich next season rather than the 2016-17 season.
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arcarsenal : 5/5/2015 10:31 am : link
StealingSociety is back.. he posts as "chopperhatch" now.
RE: RE: That was in the 1971 Finals  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12271786 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12271766 Victor in CT said:


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one of the all time bad goals




Before my time - was it as bad as the goddamned Ron Francis goal in 1992 that still haunts my memories after 23 years?


From purely a goaltending standpoint yes, further away. From a personal standpoint, no, the Francis goal was a killer. Turned that whole series around. They were about to go home up 3-1 before that fiasco despite the Lemieux Academy Award performance that led to Graves suspension.
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Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12271802 arcarsenal said:
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Every single team in the NHL is looking to add a guy with "great scoring ability"

Easier said than done. And there's a salary cap.

Hopefully we see Buchnevich next season rather than the 2016-17 season.


I get it. But while many teams have other holes we have the rest. Great coach/system, goaltending, strong defense, speed to burn etc.

Teams that close to winning a cup are usually more aggressive finding that final piece.
ultimately, it's really hard to win a Cup  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:39 am : link
I mean, the 1994 Rangers barely squeaked by a mediocre Vancouver team to win that one, and good lord, look at the kind of talent that team had. Messier, one of the greatest to ever lace up skates. Brian Leetch at his peak. A perennial All Star at 2C in Steve Larmer. A budding All-Star in Zubov. One of the most talented Rangers ever in Kovalev. A tough as nails garbage guy who had a 50 goal season that year in Graves. If this team could add any of those guys they'd be so much better....and yet that team almost didn't even make it to the Final.
McD winding up not pulling the trigger with his momentum  
Stufftherun : 5/5/2015 10:40 am : link
moving toward the net and not far from the top of the faceoff circle with no one close to him was unforgiveable. Instead he chose to throw a pass down low to a winger who had his back to McD as he was doing the right thing by going to the net. That play exemplifies much of what we've been witnessing.

Always had sympathy for Stealing Society, he was/is one deeply tormented dude.
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MetsAreBack : 5/5/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12271802 arcarsenal said:
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Every single team in the NHL is looking to add a guy with "great scoring ability"

Easier said than done. And there's a salary cap.

Hopefully we see Buchnevich next season rather than the 2016-17 season.



What about this Tambellini kid we just signed to an ELC? He had a shitload of points this year - do they project anything on him?

And fuck -- why arent other teams losing key players to freak 'friendly fire' injuries like we seem to do all the time!?
"With the Rangers, I feel like they will always find a way to  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2015 10:43 am : link
disappoint."

Sonic, if you are old enough to remember, that has been the Rangers history. '71, beat the defending champion Bruins, lose to the Blackhawks in 7 in the semi finals. '72, Ratelle breaks his ankle,lose in the Finals to Boston, '73, beat Boston, lose to Chicago again, '74 lose to the Flyers in 7 in the semis, it goes on and on. JP PArise, Mikko Leninen whiffing on the winner against the Fishsticks, Ron Francis.
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MetsAreBack : 5/5/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12271825 Coach Mason said:
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Teams that close to winning a cup are usually more aggressive finding that final piece.



We just bet the house on Yandle. I thought we'd get more -- he still has a few games to turn this thing around.
Tambellini is a nice prospect  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:46 am : link
But he was an overage player in the WHL. Hard to get too excited about his numbers given that. I'd wait and see what he does in Hartford next year before projecting much from him.


I say this once a year, but fuck the Rangers' luck. Not just for the key injuries that happen every damn year around playoff time, but because Cherepanov was going to be that guy for them. That kid had true superstar potential.
Everyone blowing holtby in the press  
bxgiants4 : 5/5/2015 10:46 am : link
Is annoying the shit outta me. How about the rangers make him make a save in traffic for once this series. It's embarrassing.
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arcarsenal : 5/5/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12271825 Coach Mason said:
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In comment 12271802 arcarsenal said:


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Every single team in the NHL is looking to add a guy with "great scoring ability"

Easier said than done. And there's a salary cap.

Hopefully we see Buchnevich next season rather than the 2016-17 season.



I get it. But while many teams have other holes we have the rest. Great coach/system, goaltending, strong defense, speed to burn etc.

Teams that close to winning a cup are usually more aggressive finding that final piece.


Well, that's kind of how it goes.. it's nearly impossible to build the perfect/complete team. A lot of teams with an elite scorer are pining for help in net or on the blue line or don't have depth. The Rangers are pretty close to being a complete team. They're as close as I've seen since '94.

This team is good enough to win a Cup this year but as Greg said, it's really really fucking hard to do even with a really good team. It's a gauntlet and so many factors come into play.
I thought Boyle played his ass of last night  
bxgiants4 : 5/5/2015 10:47 am : link
Btw.
Victor  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:49 am : link
And in 1996 when the disasterous trade with the Kings sent the team into a tailspin late in the year. IIRC, the Penguins scored a goal in that series that deflected off Beukeboom's face, which I've never seen before or since.
Boyle always plays his ass off  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 10:52 am : link
Effort isn't his problem. His problem is that he's small and slow, and his superior puck skills and shot have deteriorated with age. I do feel for him because the guy clearly is giving it max effort, but he just isn't particularly good anymore. Same thing with Marty. Getting old is a bitch.
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