Do RB’s Vereen and Hunt Signal Changes to the Giants O?

They still prefer big backs, and they have often also had smaller, shiftier backs to change gears as part of the rotation.

perhaps, but Hunt is unlikely to even make the team.

In comment 12270270 JonC said:

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They still prefer big backs, and they have often also had smaller, shiftier backs to change gears as part of the rotation.

I wasn't suggesting that they plan on abandoning bigger RB's, but rather on adding new roles for the guys I mentioned.

is different to me JonC, he's the most elusive in space RB with good (no great) hands the Giants have had since Tiki.

I hope they don't just see him as a change of pace, but actually try and get the ball in has hands on the screen, wheel routes, even lined up wide out like the Pats used him (or even at a right tackle, LOL) - with an occasional shot gun draw just to piss people off

when you think the signing of an UDFA is a change in philosophy.

I wasn't suggesting that, but you've still got it a bit backwards. They've been trying to find players to perform these roles for some time, without much luck. They had to spend on Vereen to get what they wanted. They've avoided throwing to the backs very much because of poor hands, poor OL cohesion on screen plays, etc.

pj, those are typically change of pace plays.

They're probably going to use Vereen in a lot of the ways they had envisioned using Wilson. So I wouldn't say it's a change as much as it's just getting the guy to fill that role.

which will make pj happy because the screens, wheel routes, draws and getting any tailback out on the edge is what they've been itching to do (especially with Wilson) without the collective talent (OL, consistent inline blocking TE) to deploy it.

Neither Tiki nor Bradshaw were close to 230. I doubt either one of them ever got above 210 lbs.

Now if they sign Doug Martin, I would say they are changing their philosophy.

Vereen is going to be so fun to watch

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In comment 12270358 steve in ky said:

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Neither is Vereen. They're almost exactly the same size.

In comment 12270361 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 12270358 steve in ky said: Quote: . Neither is Vereen. They're almost exactly the same size.

That's my point in that I don't see any new or trend or shifting of preferences.

not this year.

about Vereen is his versatility, some of this was last man standing, but he led the Patriots in rushing attempts last year.

In addition to his 52 receptions, with an 8.something ypc. for a RB with 50+ catches, that's good, it was a higher ypc than Matt Forte (on half the receptions).

So, my point is the Giants can get really creative with their formations and use some deception - run or pass out of any formation. just make it harder on the defense.

Some of you laugh, but I am absolutely looking forward to seeing this offense with Eli, Beckham, Vereen, a better line, a disciplined Randle, a healthy Jennings, a more sure handed Donnell, and god willing a healthy Cruz.

it has the potential to be the best offense of Eli's career if people stay healthy.

Jennings is an ok receiver and Williams is pretty much inadequate. Vereen is one of the best around. And yes, a change to the O, in the sense that McAdoo probably wants to use the RBs differently than Gilbride did. He's pretty creative with formations, too, as you saw with how me moved OBJ around. Vereen has been used all over the field like that.

Hunt? He's so small and kinda unlikely to make the team that it's hard to see him being a part of any offensive changes in focus. He probably isn't an NFL player. But it will be fun to see him in preseason.

This should be a really dynamic, exciting Giants offense. I'm really optimistic about it. I just pray Odell stays healthy as well as the other key guys. Nothing sucks more than injuries derailing a unit and never allowing you to see the true potential. But unfortunately, that's football.

The Giants are really overdue for a season with few significant injuries. The odds have to come back to the norm at some point.

more versatility, and more worries for the D

In comment 12270417 steve in ky said:

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The Giants are really overdue for a season with few significant injuries. The odds have to come back to the norm at some point.

I go into every year thinking that and wind up disappointed. Hope you're right but at this point I just expect it.

In comment 12270272 pjcas18 said:

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perhaps, but Hunt is unlikely to even make the team.

Right, I don't think a UDFA signing signifies anything to anything. But I do think the Vereen signing means we plan on using running backs as receivers more often than in the past.

I think the last RB spot will come down to Darkwa vs. Hunt. We apparently really liked Hunt through the process and he has home run hitter type ability. His key will be learning how to block/pick up a blitz effectively during training camp. If he can't do that, he won't make the team.

since Tiki left. It adds another look and dimension too the offense. They took Wilson during Gilbride's O too.

he sets up blocks beautifully and has that short area quickness that is reminiscent of Bradshaw. He also returns kicks.

Hunt is a better all purpose back PROSPECT than Darkwa or Ogbannaya, IMO.

Good to great hands, also.

They always had larger and smaller running backs.
They like to have both available, IMO. Keeps the D off balance a little.