Is Pete Prisco An Idiot

who I've respected through the years..He SEEMS way off on this..Hey, Cosell, whom I think is among the top evaluators, has been off on his "A" game lately, imo

"Pot is only a big deal to NFL teams because the league suspends players for it."

Which, of course, makes it a very very big deal no matter what else.

Was that a learning lesson too?

I like Gregory, but he's clearly a kid who teams were scared of. His mental stability has been questioned. He's constantly getting in trouble with weed. I get what Prisco means when it comes to him.

But he's absolutely a buffoon when it comes to the Collins situation. That situation doesn't apply at all in this context.

Pot isnt as big a deal as steroids or hard drugs. It's fully or partially in half the country. I think if the NFL didnt ridiculously suspend players for smoking pot that a lot of teams would treat it no differently as a guy who has an occasional beer -- a non issue.

Randy Gregory slid some because of the pot. But most of the slide was the "other" issues, otherwise he would have gone before the injured Ray.

it is not necessarily the case that Collins will have to sign for peanuts.

If the police were to announce that he had absolutely nothing to do with the death, or anyone associated with it, then magically his value goes back up to being nearly that of a first rounder, without the team who signs him having to use a draft pick, or trade a player, to get this talented player.

A significant bidding war could ensue.

And btw, he and his agent were wrong about him needing to get into next year's draft. He is worth more today, while he is close to playing shape and doesn't cost a high draft pick.

I am surprised no one figured this out, that I can find.

And what is up with this line?

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He could have been a top-15 pick if this horrible crime didn't surface.

Should he have tried to cover it up until after he was drafted? He is making this sound like Collins had control over the situation like Gregory had over his situation. I am giving Collins the benefit of the doubt here. He has been very willing to cooperate and he did cooperate today. I just don't get what he is trying to imply.

has bungled this in just about every way possible.

Someone on the NFL channel reported a few days ago that Gregory didn't show up for a scheduled meeting with one team and was very late for meeting with a few other teams. It's possible that a team leaked this as a way to drive others away but the fact that he went late in the 2nd round would suggest otherwise. Also, smoking pot is no big deal in my opinion (I'm still in the we should have kept Will Hill camp) but smoking when you know you're going to get tested in a few days is a sign of illness, stupidity or extraordinary bad judgement.

In comment 12270790 Samiam said:

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Someone on the NFL channel reported a few days ago that Gregory didn't show up for a scheduled meeting with one team and was very late for meeting with a few other teams. It's possible that a team leaked this as a way to drive others away but the fact that he went late in the 2nd round would suggest otherwise. Also, smoking pot is no big deal in my opinion (I'm still in the we should have kept Will Hill camp) but smoking when you know you're going to get tested in a few days is a sign of illness, stupidity or extraordinary bad judgement.

Then why are you in the we should have kept Will Hill camp? Those comments don't seem to mesh.

In comment 12270786 robbieballs2003 said:

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And what is up with this line? Quote: He could have been a top-15 pick if this horrible crime didn't surface. Should he have tried to cover it up until after he was drafted? He is making this sound like Collins had control over the situation like Gregory had over his situation. I am giving Collins the benefit of the doubt here. He has been very willing to cooperate and he did cooperate today. I just don't get what he is trying to imply.

Like my mother always told me: "Dont fuck someone unless you can GUARANTEE they wont be home-invasion murdered right before your big job interview."

What a tool Prisco is.

but if he had absolutely zero to do with this, then he should have been able to attend the draft, and quite possibly had his name cleared already.

In comment 12270782 Deej said:

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Pot isnt as big a deal as steroids or hard drugs. It's fully or partially in half the country. I think if the NFL didnt ridiculously suspend players for smoking pot that a lot of teams would treat it no differently as a guy who has an occasional beer -- a non issue. Randy Gregory slid some because of the pot. But most of the slide was the "other" issues, otherwise he would have gone before the injured Ray.

So if your employing an athlete and paying him, oh, 4/5/6 mil a year are you treating "it no differently as a guy who has an occasional beer -- a non issue." ? I'm not b/c know what "it" is.

If I understand it correctly. He said these should serve as cautionary tale, no? What are we to be cautioned about? Be cautioned that for these athletes the stakes are very, very high. These young athletes are like other young people in many ways, and different in ways too. They often engage in risky behavior (smoking dope, casual sex) and don't consider the possible costs. He's not saying that Collins or Gregory did anything "wrong", just that they feel far, and it makes sense for young athletes to notice how easy it is to lose tons of money through no real fault of your own, so stay super clean and avoid risky behaviors.

That's all, nothing wrong with that viewpoint IMO.

don't date girls who are going to be murdered in the future.

about Gregory anyway.
Collins provides no lesson at all except for make sure no one you know gets killed close to draft day.

He screwed up by lumping them both together. The similarity is they both may have lost a lot of money but one situation was avoidable, the other (if innocent) is not.

In comment 12270823 BillT said:

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So if your employing an athlete and paying him, oh, 4/5/6 mil a year are you treating "it no differently as a guy who has an occasional beer -- a non issue." ? I'm not b/c know what "it" is.

Bill, if I may: I think the problem with the pot smoker isn't really one of performance, it's risk. Risk of having that player suspended as long as the NFL views pot the same was as heroine.

go into witness protection for the entire time between the combine and the draft. Only come out for your Pro Day and during that time, have a former federal marshall watching and accounting for the whereabouts the entire time. In fact, log it in a journal and have it notarized.

If you want to be extra sure, go into witness protection between the time of your last game and the combine.

If you are innocent, that is really the only learning you can take from this.

In comment 12270829 Dan in the Springs said:

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If I understand it correctly. He said these should serve as cautionary tale, no? What are we to be cautioned about? Be cautioned that for these athletes the stakes are very, very high. These young athletes are like other young people in many ways, and different in ways too. They often engage in risky behavior (smoking dope, casual sex) and don't consider the possible costs. He's not saying that Collins or Gregory did anything "wrong", just that they feel far, and it makes sense for young athletes to notice how easy it is to lose tons of money through no real fault of your own, so stay super clean and avoid risky behaviors. That's all, nothing wrong with that viewpoint IMO.

Dan, so these players aren't supposed to talk to anybody? He is being questioned because of his relationship to her not because he had sex with her. If this was Winston and talking about having sex then fine. But it isn't. It is because he was friends with her. You can point to the child but nobody seems to know whose child it was.

Just be aware that everything you've worked so hard for, for so many years, things you've sacrificed for, your lifelong dream, can all new lost through no fault of your own, so be safe, be smart, and don't take unnecessary risks.

These athletes are special, they're not like other college kids in terms of what's at stake. They should be aware of how quickly it can all go away. That's all.

In comment 12270809 barens said:

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but if he had absolutely zero to do with this, then he should have been able to attend the draft, and quite possibly had his name cleared already.

Isn't this the same police department under fire for how they handled the Sharper case?

In comment 12270851 nyynyg said:

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go into witness protection for the entire time between the combine and the draft. Only come out for your Pro Day and during that time, have a former federal marshall watching and accounting for the whereabouts the entire time. In fact, log it in a journal and have it notarized. If you want to be extra sure, go into witness protection between the time of your last game and the combine. If you are innocent, that is really the only learning you can take from this.

And never associate with a possible murder victim. Good luck.

is hardly an idiot. This was not very good commentary, obviously. I think he was trying to get to what Kornheiser says all the time. Nobody ever gets in trouble at church or in the library. These guys are not monks. They are young men. Guys like Gregory can function with support & Meds. The pot, however, is especially bad for him. I speak from family experience.

making comments as though Prisco's point is that Collins has done something wrong.

He hasn't. That's the point.

Because of the extraordinarily high stakes these athletes face they need to behave differently than average college students, or risk losing it all.

Be smart about who you hang around and what you do with your time, because it doesn't take much at all to lose everything, even when you've done nothing wrong. Isn't that a good message for these young people?

or can a team with cap space offer him more than the UDFA minimum, whatever they usually get? I'd imagine he'll sign anywhere if they're going to pay him like a second or third round pick.

Never drive on the freeway.

Stay off my lawn.

Just sounds like old man finger wagging.

I still dont see any valid point. Lets assume Collins had nothing to do with the murder (because otherwise the message is just: dont murder people). What's the "lesson" for football players Prisco wants to draw up? Dont fuck women who might get murdered? Or just dont fuck women? If that's his point he should just come out and say it. Do you think that's a valid point?

There is no lesson players can draw from the Collins situation other than "shit happens".

As for Gregory, pot would drop him maybe 10-15 picks max. Look at Sapp and Shane Ray. The rest of his "issues" seem to be mental disease/disorder. Prisco is clearly referring to the pot PLUS the other issues (otherwise he would have said Ray too). I think it is incumbent on Prisco to say what the other "issues" are that he's referring to, otherwise no lesson can be drawn other than dont have "issues". And if what Prisco means is what I think he means, then he's a piece of shit and he's just wrong. People dont choose to be bipolar.

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There is no lesson players can draw from the Collins situation other than "shit happens".

What's wrong with that as a lesson? Is it because it's so obvious everyone already knows that?

Turns out that while we've all heard that lesson many times, for many people it doesn't resonate. This is especially true for young people.

Now the analogy I'm about to make isn't a direct one to the Collins situation.

Why do young people smoke? Don't they know that it is highly addictive and is bad for your body? They know that but they do it anyway, because they aren't paying attention.

We bring the emphysema patient into the high schools to talk about smoking to serve as a cautionary tale to young people. To remind them of the dangers of smoking. Not because by high school they haven't heard. But because they don't think that lesson applies to them. It's just difficult to connect those dots. Knowing a long-time smoker who has emphysema helps them see the risks inherent in smoking.

Why would you want to make a case out of guys falling in the draft? Because it makes losing what you've worked hard at real. Is Collins story cautionary because he did something wrong? Not at all. It just might scare someone into thinking about protecting themselves from bad things happening.

No need to be extreme about it and not meet new people. You can still have a girlfriend. No need to rule out a sex life altogether.

But don't take unnecessary risks. Don't associate with the type of people who might get you interviewed about a crime the day before the draft. Is that exactly what Collins did? No, but you can see that it doesn't really matter in the NFL. Just the fact that you're going to be questioned is enough to cost you millions of dollars.

If I'm getting ready for my senior year and I'm a top-rated player I'm going to think real hard about everything I do and am involved in over the next 12 months. I don't have to be convicted to lose millions of dollars. Hell, I don't have to actually do anything wrong. Fate could just single me out and deal me a bad hand like it appears has happened to Collins. No need for me to tempt fate though.

Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter?

Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick?

Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out.

In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said:

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Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out.

So the lesson is fuck someone your own age? That's a really weird lesson. The rest of your post is based on bizarre speculation that (1) suggests they were still seeing eachother (no evidence) and (2) either suggests that Collins was involved in her death or else I have no idea what you're insinuating.

Surprising number of people on this thread seem okay with the "that's what you get for fucking a murder victim" stance.

He occasionally has some interesting football insights, but his pseudo-social commentary is brutal (like when he blamed Parcells for LT's underaged hooker incident.).

In comment 12270809 barens said:

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but if he had absolutely zero to do with this, then he should have been able to attend the draft, and quite possibly had his name cleared already.

Makes you wonder.

In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said:

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Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Sick and tired of watching momos dancing around it on the thread.
No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are.

Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women?

Collins situation. Period. It was a stupid premise by Prisco. He probably wrote this column a week ago with the intention of making this statement about Shane Ray and Randy Gregory . . . . . but then Shane Ray got drafted in the 1st round by the Broncos, and will eventually be making a seven figure salary. Whoops.

In comment 12271646 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said: Quote: Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sick and tired of watching momos dancing around it on the thread. No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are. Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women?

And being a gigantic piece of shit in the process. Victim blaming seems par for the course with your other rhetoric. Please find me a single news report about Brittney Mills that fits with your proposed story line and the beliefs you espouse in your post. By all accounts, she was a woman on the right track who was murdered by someone she knew.

But I guess if she knew someone who would murder her, and was 8 months pregnant at the time, then that must mean she is "unclean". What a fucking asshole you are.
She sure does seem like a piece of garbage... - ( New Window )

In comment 12271641 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12270809 barens said: Quote: but if he had absolutely zero to do with this, then he should have been able to attend the draft, and quite possibly had his name cleared already. Makes you wonder.

Makes you wonder what? Honestly, I think both of these comments are off base. The cops wouldn't interview him until Monday. How is he going to clear his name? What's he supposed to do, sit around the green room at the draft when he knows he's not going to get drafted to pretend like it's not an issue. Asking them to go quicker? Making a statement to the media?

Maybe he did it, I don't know. But it's hardly a matter of him just being able to clear his good name by claiming innocence and sitting around in Chicago.

It's an ongoing murder investigation, and if he didn't have anything to do with it, that police department better have some damn good lawyers.

off the field issues in this draft. This has been the most controversial one that I can remember in recent memory for kids coming out with issues.

And yes it's an issue because who goes to an interview high. The month before the draft is one big interview from the combine to the draft. If you can't keep your nose clean for that one month your going to lose money in the draft.

In comment 12271646 Great White Ghost said:

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No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are. Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women?

Please go away.

Idiot.

In comment 12271851 Cap'n Bluebeard said:

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In comment 12271646 Great White Ghost said: Quote: In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said: Quote: Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sick and tired of watching momos dancing around it on the thread. No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are. Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women? And being a gigantic piece of shit in the process. Victim blaming seems par for the course with your other rhetoric. Please find me a single news report about Brittney Mills that fits with your proposed story line and the beliefs you espouse in your post. By all accounts, she was a woman on the right track who was murdered by someone she knew. But I guess if she knew someone who would murder her, and was 8 months pregnant at the time, then that must mean she is "unclean". What a fucking asshole you are. She sure does seem like a piece of garbage... - ( New Window )

All I read is she had a funeral and was going to beuty school, and noone knows who the father of her child even was. Sure sounds like the right track to me. Unmarried with children by several different fathers.and is banging an NFL draft prospect.Winner. She was some skank he used to bang, nothing more. She didn't become a saint by virtue of getting murdered, sorry.

Oh, and that's "Blame"? Way to get hysterical.You're ignorant.

In comment 12271646 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said: Quote: Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sick and tired of watching momos dancing around it on the thread. No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are. Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women?

Complete and utter nonsense.

don't fuck that hot older woman because there's a .0000000000000000000000000000000001% chance she might be murdered one day at the worst possible moment for your financial future.

for that percentage.

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i mean....wow...

You're one more word away from removing all doubt to anyone that wants to give you some benefit here...

In comment 12270842 mrvax said:

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about Gregory anyway. Collins provides no lesson at all except for make sure no one you know gets killed close to draft day. He screwed up by lumping them both together. The similarity is they both may have lost a lot of money but one situation was avoidable, the other (if innocent) is not.

Exactly about Collins. Holy shit if he gets cleared this kid has gotten the screwing of a lifetime over this. The assumption he is some bad guy for having an ex-GF is amazing.

In comment 12271646 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12271359 Ivan15 said: Quote: Why was a 21-year old star athlete who is likely to be drafted high, hanging around with a 29-year old woman? Do you think she was his babysitter? Do you think her attention increased when she realized he probably was going to be a 1st round pick? Maybe it took Collins too long to figure it out. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sick and tired of watching momos dancing around it on the thread. No, just fuck anyone indiscriminately, and then when it all goes to shit because of your connections when they turn up dead, pretend there are absolotely no factors that anyone with half a fucking brain or any morals might avoid. Don't evolve,. stay broke, don't learn shit other people have learned, cause it's a waddya cal, inconvenient truth. If there was something to learn then you migth have to use some discretion as to where you put your cock. Much easier to pretend there's nothing to be learned and fucking cry about it afterwards.If you can't learn anything from it you may not be as perceptivet as you think you are. Didn't yo pappy ever tell you stay away from unclean women?

You really are a huge festering dickstain. Go the fuck away

In comment 12272545 djm said:

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i mean....wow... You're one more word away from removing all doubt to anyone that wants to give you some benefit here...

I think we're at the point where you start to doubt the people who give him too much benefit of the doubt anymore

In comment 12272545 djm said:

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i mean....wow... You're one more word away from removing all doubt to anyone that wants to give you some benefit here...

I'm pretty sure the point prisco was trying to make was that a players choices about a players associations can have a major impact on them.I agree.It doesn't necesarilly say anything about the players character, and it may not even say anything about the person they associate with, but bottom line they have choices, free will, and those choices have consequences. If you think not, ask Collins, I guarantee today he feels he is suffering the consequences of being with this woman.Doesn't necesarrily say anything about him, or her really. I'm sure she was a lovely woman, but it's pretty clear at 29 she didnt have it all figured out, and was suffering some consequences from her own previous life choices, it's also pretty Clear Collins is sharing in those consequences. Do you disagree?

The only question that remains is whether or not a player makes any judgement about who he associates with, or whether he has the ability to make any judgements.The judgement may be no more than, "This is not the best thing for me to do" or " this may not be the best person for me to associate with." Now, you can NOT make that judgement, but if he HAD, he probably would be looking at many more millions.I don't think that can be argued either.

The point of my post and it's wording was simply to point out that there ARE factors people can look at to use to make choices in a particular situation. I may be an asshole, but had Collins been the same asshole, he'd probably have gone in the first round and be a rich man today. I don't think that can be argued either.Being a judgemental asshole would have made him a rich man today.
Bottom line, people have choices, and not all people are the same.

being a judgmental asshole and a racist bag of shit. But congrats, you're both.

In comment 12272830 Chris in Philly said:

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being a judgmental asshole and a racist bag of shit. But congrats, you're both.

You have a nice day.

In comment 12272770 Great White Ghost said:

See, the first two paragraphs of this post are reasonably well thought out and not controversial. Then you post this:

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The point of my post and it's wording was simply to point out that there ARE factors people can look at to use to make choices in a particular situation. I may be an asshole, but had Collins been the same asshole, he'd probably have gone in the first round and be a rich man today. I don't think that can be argued either.Being a judgemental asshole would have made him a rich man today. Bottom line, people have choices, and not all people are the same.

There is literally nothing written about this woman anywhere to suggest that she is a questionable human being. She may be, she may not be. What we do know is that she had a job, had her own apartment, and was working toward making a better future. The article I posted earlier is full of quotes from people (including a minister who had known her for most of her life) attesting to her decency as a human being. For you to make negative assumptions about her character based on the fact that she has one child and was pregnant with another one (and also probably her race, considering your past here) says more about you than it does her.

But, you know, I'm the ignorant one. Somehow.