And let him sort through his legal troubles as a NYG in wait ? I think this guy is going to be a premier tackle, when he is able to resume his football career. He instantly becomes the teams best tackle on paper. He does not need to start right away, let him learn the pro game, and let him impose pressure on Softy Beatty ... Is something like this far to hard for Reese to comprehend ? Here you have a guy who could anchor your line for he next decade dangling.
I questioned the release of Will Hill, and always thought special players leashes should be just a bit longer.
Once the legal process plays out and La'El is hopefully clean, you have 3 1st round talents yielded from the 2015 class. Worse case he is found guilty of some role in this problem he is having you say good bye.
I don't see the harm and only upside to this. Unless I am missing something.
I understand this, but as I prefaced, let the legal woe's play out and have him on your roster in wait. If it turns out he is completely clear of any connection to this issue, you will see teams scampering to grab him. Instead we are sending invitations to Candadian football players.
Absolutely not. I've seen this guys instagram and what he posts daily, and who he surrounds himself with. I think that is the issue this organization had with him, and for that, I can completely understand.
I don't have a "win at all costs" mentality, there are simple moral obligations. If he's cleared entirely, by all means bring him in, but right now? It does not compute yet.
So my question is, how does it hurt to think forward and bring this guy in ? Its only upside, if he is found guilty in any way, cut him loose.
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Absolutely not. I've seen this guys instagram and what he posts daily, and who he surrounds himself with. I think that is the issue this organization had with him, and for that, I can completely understand.
Really? It wasn't the multiple suspensions? Especially the last one when they had already built their secondary around him playing a big role?
I understand this, but as I prefaced, let the legal woe's play out and have him on your roster in wait. If it turns out he is completely clear of any connection to this issue, you will see teams scampering to grab him. Instead we are sending invitations to Candadian football players.
easy enough for you to say because you aren't the owner of the team and it wouldn't be your PR nightmare to deal with if he did had big legal issues.
No organization wants to have connection with a possible homicide. So the Giants should due there due diligence here. If he checks out I am all for it, but I understand why the organization wants to turn over every stone on the matter.
So my question is, how does it hurt to think forward and bring this guy in ? Its only upside, if he is found guilty in any way, cut him loose.
The PR nightmare it would be???
I would take the chance. He's nobody right now, as far as locker room or team distractions. He's not Aaron Hernandez. He's not a fixture. Its a gamble, but I'd take it personally.
All that said, I don't expect the Giants to do it.
If he is cleared NFL will find a way to get him paid like a first rdc or fave lawsuit.
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that puts me on alert that his woes aren't over, and it makes sense that NYG would prefer to avoid ANY potential connection to a double homicide.
I understand this, but as I prefaced, let the legal woe's play out and have him on your roster in wait. If it turns out he is completely clear of any connection to this issue, you will see teams scampering to grab him. Instead we are sending invitations to Candadian football players.
First of all, La'el Collins was not going to accept only a tryout. Second, we have not signed any of the Canadian football players. If they stink at rookie camp they get nothing except a plane ticket home. As you need bodies for rookie camp I have no problem with the team reaching out to the top Canadian college players. Finally, unless we had a deal in place with Collins which would likely take up most or all of our allotted bonus pool for UDFA's, we could potentially be screwing ourselves because all of the talent we would have otherwise signed would have gone somewhere else and we would be stuck with table scraps. Personally I would have considered taking La'el Collins in the spot we took Bobby Hart, but we were not the only ones who passed
Thats true, but even without Hernandez and with all the distractions is arrest caused, the team didn't miss a beat really. They just won the Super Bowl a year later.
Can't really argue with not bringing him in, I totally get it. Concerns are definitely valid, and the Giants are a team that usually errs on the side of caution - which is something we all appreciate about them.
I know they won't do it. I just want that line to dominate. =)
Is it really that hard to figure out why NO team is going to sign him until he's cleared?
Yup, He already said if not drafted in the first 3 rounds he was going to sit
Talk about a PR nightmare; that's something that the Image Is Everything Giants want to avoid like the plague.
Save the flair for dramatics here, we are talking football players, not cube monkeys, very different culture then I am sure you and I are accustomed ...
All I was saying here, if indeed his name is cleared, we will miss out on a guy that was regarded top 15 in this years draft, and would be a great addition to a position of need ...
There are teams speaking to him now, but I doubt any team will sign him until the police make a public statement that he has been cleared and is not a suspect. Maybe a team will take a chance if the paternity test comes back negative, but I don't think it will be NYG.
It would be nice to have a guy of La'El's ability in your pocket. Don't be so quick to anoint the line set, Schwartz is a huge question mark, he still can not run, and even when healthy may we be the weak link this year ...
If we miss out on him if he turns out to be innocent, so be it, so will everyone else except for 1 team. Those are how things fall sometimes.
If he was totally clean, I think someone would have ventured a late round pick...I realize it's not the same crime as Ray and Gregories, but they were guilty, if he was innocent that would have gotten back and he goes like them...Or so it seems to me.
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you just don't know if he's not another Hernandez yet.
Thats true, but even without Hernandez and with all the distractions is arrest caused, the team didn't miss a beat really. They just won the Super Bowl a year later.
Can't really argue with not bringing him in, I totally get it. Concerns are definitely valid, and the Giants are a team that usually errs on the side of caution - which is something we all appreciate about them.
I know they won't do it. I just want that line to dominate. =)
As soon as Hernandez was arrested, NE cut bait and severed all ties with him. That was necessary and significant and served as a moving on point for the franchise. Sure, many were watching and probably rooting for AH to be cleared, but the team GTFO, they wanted to be as far from the guy as possible.
2) No one took him late in the draft because if they had, Collins could have passed on signing a low contract and entered the 2016 draft (and "yes", if a player is drafted and doesn't sign, he can be in the next years draft). Thus the drafting team just wasted a pick and punched his ticket into the 2016 draft.
In both cases, the drafting team is in a very bad spot. Why would a team do that?
2) No one took him late in the draft because if they had, Collins could have passed on signing a low contract and entered the 2016 draft (and "yes", if a player is drafted and doesn't sign, he can be in the next years draft). Thus the drafting team just wasted a pick and punched his ticket into the 2016 draft.
In both cases, the drafting team is in a very bad spot. Why would a team do that?
Best case for him now is to go to Canada and come back and allow the bidding next year. If he signs now he is subject to the rookie wage scale. If he plays in Canada, he would be like any street FA next year. Sure he will be locked in, to the same ERFA, then RFA rules of any new player, but at least his signing bonus and salary will be limited by the salary cap and not the rookie scale. Unless of course I am understanding the FA rules incorrectly.
That's great, kid, all you need to do is clear your name first ...
Beatty
Schwartz
Pugh
Richburg
Flowers
Collins
Newhouse/Jones/Reynolds/Jerry/Mosley/Herman/Gettis fighting for the last 2 spots. Definitely space.
I think both OGs are upgradeable, but would agree NYG would choose loyalty. Is Collins going to accept a roster spot given the above? I tend to doubt it.
Whether the Giants can sign him or not, if he is cleared, they should at least pursue it.
There is a cap on what undrafted free agents can sign for...
The only upside is he is a free agent after 2 years rather than 3...
The NFL has already said if he is not drafted he can not apply for the NFL draft next year
I think both OGs are upgradeable, but would agree NYG would choose loyalty. Is Collins going to accept a roster spot given the above? I tend to doubt it.
don't the Giants also like to create competition at spots. just saying..