And let him sort through his legal troubles as a NYG in wait ? I think this guy is going to be a premier tackle, when he is able to resume his football career. He instantly becomes the teams best tackle on paper. He does not need to start right away, let him learn the pro game, and let him impose pressure on Softy Beatty ... Is something like this far to hard for Reese to comprehend ? Here you have a guy who could anchor your line for he next decade dangling.
I questioned the release of Will Hill, and always thought special players leashes should be just a bit longer.
Once the legal process plays out and La'El is hopefully clean, you have 3 1st round talents yielded from the 2015 class. Worse case he is found guilty of some role in this problem he is having you say good bye.
I don't see the harm and only upside to this. Unless I am missing something.
Especially considering the struggles we have seen recent tackle prospects have had adjusting to the NFL? I like the guy too but at the same time, I'm not sure that either him or Flowers will be able to beat out Pugh in training camp if Pugh's regression last year was due to an injured elbow which has healed.
Then that leaves the guard positions, and quite frankly anyone discarding Schwartz as a non-factor is being foolish. So you are likely committing some high price commodity to the bench needlessly for the sake of a minor upgrade. Why would you waste resources like that?
And finally, when do you expect to hear that he is cleared? Seriously, this isn't a freaking Law and Order episode. The lack of clear suspects probably works against him as the cops have to keep open the possibility that he had something to do with it by using a proxy.
Sometimes when it comes to draft discussions on BBI, I keep thinking that there should be a "oh look, new shiny thing!" gif below some people's post.
There's no rush for him to sign or a team to sign him. no one is getting a discount for signing him this week vs two weeks, or a month from now. It's a mutual interest for the dust to settle.
So what you are saying is the Giants should bank on all 5 players working out for the long term? Based on your experience following this sport, would you say that is likely?
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it doesn't make any sense on his part to sign with a team now.
The NFL has already said if he is not drafted he can not apply for the NFL draft next year
That doesn't matter. My point is why sign with just anyone today when more opportunities will arise after being cleared? Since you're going to get the same contract from any team, why not wait until a good one comes calling?
Today, he's a beggar. After he's cleared, he's a chooser.
Pure and simple, to replace Beatty in my opinion, should be a serious top ten left tackle candidate. Is Flowers or La'El at that level right now? Then how is either man, pushing "the underperforming" Beatty?
They're talking up Flowers as having LT abilities, and he is a top 10 talent. Given that, given Beatty's age and ok playing career, it's not a stretch to suggest they view Flowers as being his successor in the relative near future. 2016? It remains to be seen, but Beatty is now playing for his job year to year and it will be expected that Flowers will push him at some point. A good thing for NYG. In the meantime, first step is for EF to win the RT gig and for Beatty to continue to improve at his craft.
Like you said, Beatty was the #60 pick of his draft, and he's a serviceable LT. It shouldn't require only a top 10 talent to unseat him, logically, no?
I think La'el is an OG in the NFL, he's overrated by many here, imo. I can almost hear the regime say how similar he is to Pugh, in their view.
Here's the thing. Most teams have limited offensive line depth especially considering the fact that you don't rotate offensive lineman like you do other positions like cornerbacks and defensive ends. If someone isn't a starter then they are going to sit and only get on the field for special teams until their is an injury.
In the salary cap era with limited resources, team deal with their offensive line depth situation by developing mid and late round picks or signing experience veterans stopgaps. John Jerry fits into the stopgap category just like K. Booth did. The Giants also brought in Newhouse to be the swing tackle if others don't beat him out in training camp. The Giants still have some of their recent mid to late round draft picks (Mosley and Herman) who will get a chance to show that they can be depended on.
I just don't see La'El doing us the favor of being that super important backup guy that everyone is happy with. It doesn't match the reality of today's NFL and it isn't in his best interests
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it doesn't make any sense on his part to sign with a team now.
The NFL has already said if he is not drafted he can not apply for the NFL draft next year
That doesn't matter. My point is why sign with just anyone today when more opportunities will arise after being cleared? Since you're going to get the same contract from any team, why not wait until a good one comes calling?
Today, he's a beggar. After he's cleared, he's a chooser.
Ahh ok got ya, i thought you meant he can wait until next year, my bad
Like you said, Beatty was the #60 pick of his draft, and he's a serviceable LT. It shouldn't require only a top 10 talent to unseat him, logically, no?
Actually, yes it should. By second tier, I'm saying that Beatty is outside the top ten. But his recent rankings on some of the football analytics sites show that he wasn't that far outside the top ten. I'm not talking about the 20th or 25th best LT but rather the PFF 11th and 14th ranked (Going off memory here some I could be off a bit) in 2012 and 2014. That's why I feel that Beatty is not a Just Another Guy or jag type which is the impression I get reading BBI.
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...because if you look past this season, there is a need for more young OL. The Giants have zero depth. Who is their no.1 bench player?
Here's the thing. Most teams have limited offensive line depth especially considering the fact that you don't rotate offensive lineman like you do other positions like cornerbacks and defensive ends. If someone isn't a starter then they are going to sit and only get on the field for special teams until their is an injury.
In the salary cap era with limited resources, team deal with their offensive line depth situation by developing mid and late round picks or signing experience veterans stopgaps. John Jerry fits into the stopgap category just like K. Booth did. The Giants also brought in Newhouse to be the swing tackle if others don't beat him out in training camp. The Giants still have some of their recent mid to late round draft picks (Mosley and Herman) who will get a chance to show that they can be depended on.
I just don't see La'El doing us the favor of being that super important backup guy that everyone is happy with. It doesn't match the reality of today's NFL and it isn't in his best interests
Le'al Collins may have had similar problems in his background. Maybe he needs to get away from his problems too, but is NYC the place to do that?
He is probably attracted to New Orleans, Miami, NYC when he really should be looking at Green Bay, Minneapolis, Kansas City.
I am just curious as to how things change if he doesn't sign an NFL contract and plays 2015 in Canada. Do the rules change for how much they can sign him for? I don't think he would still factor into the rookie wage pool or UDFA cap. So he may be able to sign for much more money next off-season. But I don't know exactly how that works.
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I disagree. Besides the distraction his signing provides, offensive line play depends on much on unit cohesion as it does individual talent. To get the most out of the unit, a stead consistent lineup needs to be decided on early. Bringing in La'El as a heir apparent to about to leave player is one thing, bringing him in to have "open" competition when you already have a young set lineup is another. You will either be wasting La'El potential to develop by sitting him behind someone or you will have wasted the resources you have already spent to get the guy you are replacing him with.
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...I'd probably look for a team with an open spot if I were him too. But that wasn't the point he was arguing, he spoke of limited resources for the team. Reality is, if he is cleared of all wrongdoing in this legal case, there is no downside for any team to sign him this off-season as an UDFA.
I disagree. Besides the distraction his signing provides, offensive line play depends on much on unit cohesion as it does individual talent. To get the most out of the unit, a stead consistent lineup needs to be decided on early. Bringing in La'El as a heir apparent to about to leave player is one thing, bringing him in to have "open" competition when you already have a young set lineup is another. You will either be wasting La'El potential to develop by sitting him behind someone or you will have wasted the resources you have already spent to get the guy you are replacing him with.
I posted this in another thread. People are having trouble grasping it as evidenced by this thread.