Other tidbits: Had Scherff and Flowers ranked very close
-Loves Flowers' nastiness..
-When he picks he tries to combine value and need..Not sure if he meant in general or lower rounds
-He sees Flowers as an OLT as well...
-Re Landon Collins: Oft times players come in lighter when they report, but he timed really well at the combine..If LC can handle the weight, that's fine, otherwise he sees 220 as an ideal weight
-Geremy Evans: Not a vertical guy per se, more the intermediate guy who posts up the DBs as well..Very good route runner
Now for Thompson:
-Height/weight guy
-Loves that he's a "Calm in space" player, that is, he can protect deep and run down guys giving the Giants that "extra down" on Defense by preventing scores..
-Loved the tape they saw on him combined with Scout recommendations
Solly Wilcotts said after the interview that Flowers is definitely an OT and Scherrf definitely an OG, with both better at those respective positions..
If I think of anything else (and/or others can fill in or correct what I heard), I'll post it
I do have extra info on here, but if the mods think I should delete this, I will and post the extra info on the other thread
As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.
As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.
Looks like Jerry is trying to motivate both of his tackles. Wouldn't be a surprise to see Flowers start at RT and eventually move to the left in a few years.
Nope and not like him. He seems to saying everywhere he goes that he intends on replacing Beatty with either Pugh or Flowers. I thought on Thursday night he was misunderstood but it is hard to keep misspeaking about the future of a player.
Looks like Jerry is trying to motivate both of his tackles. Wouldn't be a surprise to see Flowers start at RT and eventually move to the left in a few years.
Yes..I think his point(my take) was that he can play both OT spots which is why he was taken..Iirc, most reports on Scherff were that he was an inside guy who could play ORT..Some, not many, said he had the feet, etc., to play OLT..Flowers otoh, could play OLT..
Thanks for weighing in
What he meant was that MT can prevent tds which will allow the D to 'live another day' to keep a td from occurring.. Nothing to do with bend but not break
Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger
Much better than allowing a breakaway TD from occurring, which was his only point..The choice being, allow a TD or giving the D once more chance to stop a drive..
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and is potentially the 'blue-goose' LT that Reese has waxed poetic about. The stars aligned this year and we were able to draft a guy to become that.
As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.
Coach, do you think he's a lb at that weight?
No, but he may be more limited in roles that focus on range and coverage ability. It depends on the role they want to play him. Do they want to re-establish the 'Deon Grant' role and have him predominantly playing close to the LOS and also playing Nickel pseudo-LB.
On the surface my guess is 215-220 would be ideal as he could play almost any role without being exposed. He may not have as much ruggedness in the run game but the speed/quickness/fluidity he gains will more than make up for it.
Roster competition in football is a good thing. Turnover is often 25% or higher year after year, and being a sport of attrition the average career is only ~4 years. It's time to get his potential successor in the pipeline, and push Beatty at the same time.
Landon's a S. He might play LB in some different looks, but he's a safety. Get that weight down around 220 and it will help his cause.
Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger
I won't call you crazy. Give me a guy that projects as a dominant LT any day of the week and 2X on Sunday.
Scherff may be the better play year 1 though. We'll see how quick Ereck takes to NFL coaching.
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thompson: giants feel everything clicked for him midway thru Senior year. started hitting people
Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger
I won't call you crazy. Give me a guy that projects as a dominant LT any day of the week and 2X on Sunday.
Scherff may be the better play year 1 though. We'll see how quick Ereck takes to NFL coaching.
Essentially an Erecktion? :)
MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.
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NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.
MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.
You see the analogy there? I have no idea..Just askin'
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NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.
MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.
You see the analogy there? I have no idea..Just askin'
From what I see on tape, he looks like a very smooth athlete who can fly to the ball and make a sure tackle, not necessarily a thumper but he brings the guy to the ground. If memory serves, this is how I think of Ross....obviously Ross had better cover corner skills but I mostly remember Ross in the same vein as what I see from this kids tape...albeit a faster version.
As far as Beatty don't think it means his days are numbered, always thought he'd make a better RT. Hopefully for a little less money or then his days are numbered.
With Scherff there is no need to move Pugh and there is more flexibility. Scherff plugs in at Guard.
Flowers however forces Pugh to move to guard.
Maybe they were more comfortable adding Scherff to guard?
Either way it likely will work out for the better.
I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.
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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?
I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.
2013 he was hurt most, if not all year and it affected his play..He had a fine year in 2014, especially with an unstable line
Hopefully, with Pugh next to him (especially on passing downs), Beatty won't have to worry as much, trying to help, inside.
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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?
I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.
Fans are probably a lot more frustrated with Beatty than the team is. An average left tackle is still a starting LT. To get one in the second round of the draft is an organizational success. He had a bad year, then bounced back nicely.