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Reese just now on Sirius re Mykkele Thompson and others

Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:34 am
Other tidbits: Had Scherff and Flowers ranked very close

-Loves Flowers' nastiness..

-When he picks he tries to combine value and need..Not sure if he meant in general or lower rounds

-He sees Flowers as an OLT as well...

-Re Landon Collins: Oft times players come in lighter when they report, but he timed really well at the combine..If LC can handle the weight, that's fine, otherwise he sees 220 as an ideal weight

-Geremy Evans: Not a vertical guy per se, more the intermediate guy who posts up the DBs as well..Very good route runner

Now for Thompson:

-Height/weight guy


-Loves that he's a "Calm in space" player, that is, he can protect deep and run down guys giving the Giants that "extra down" on Defense by preventing scores..

-Loved the tape they saw on him combined with Scout recommendations

Solly Wilcotts said after the interview that Flowers is definitely an OT and Scherrf definitely an OG, with both better at those respective positions..


If I think of anything else (and/or others can fill in or correct what I heard), I'll post it
With Beatty the current LT  
Giants2012 : 5/5/2015 10:36 am : link
I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?
Fellas, I now see there's another thread on this.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:41 am : link
I didn't see any post when I started collecting my thoughts and eventually start(slowly) typing..

I do have extra info on here, but if the mods think I should delete this, I will and post the extra info on the other thread
Btw, love that expression "calm in space."  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:42 am : link
Dorgan et al could certainly appreciate that..:)
Flowers projects as a top LT  
Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:42 am : link
and is potentially the 'blue-goose' LT that Reese has waxed poetic about. The stars aligned this year and we were able to draft a guy to become that.

As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.
RE: With Beatty the current LT  
blapre74 : 5/5/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12271820 Giants2012 said:
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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?
good point, and they have Flowers for a few years at his rookie pay, and by the time Beatty's contract is up, Flowers is the LT.
RE: Flowers projects as a top LT  
blapre74 : 5/5/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12271841 Coach Mason said:
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and is potentially the 'blue-goose' LT that Reese has waxed poetic about. The stars aligned this year and we were able to draft a guy to become that.

As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.
Coach, do you think he's a lb at that weight?
To clarify Reese's comments on Flowers:  
BH28 : 5/5/2015 10:45 am : link
He said he seems him as both LT and RT (with Pugh kicking inside). He said it will be up to the coaching staff to evaluate and decide what to do with him.

Looks like Jerry is trying to motivate both of his tackles. Wouldn't be a surprise to see Flowers start at RT and eventually move to the left in a few years.
RE: With Beatty the current LT  
Mason : 5/5/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12271820 Giants2012 said:
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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?


Nope and not like him. He seems to saying everywhere he goes that he intends on replacing Beatty with either Pugh or Flowers. I thought on Thursday night he was misunderstood but it is hard to keep misspeaking about the future of a player.
RE: To clarify Reese's comments on Flowers:  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12271855 BH28 said:
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He said he seems him as both LT and RT (with Pugh kicking inside). He said it will be up to the coaching staff to evaluate and decide what to do with him.

Looks like Jerry is trying to motivate both of his tackles. Wouldn't be a surprise to see Flowers start at RT and eventually move to the left in a few years.


Yes..I think his point(my take) was that he can play both OT spots which is why he was taken..Iirc, most reports on Scherff were that he was an inside guy who could play ORT..Some, not many, said he had the feet, etc., to play OLT..Flowers otoh, could play OLT..

Thanks for weighing in
I hate the "extra down on defense" comment  
jgambrosio : 5/5/2015 10:49 am : link
reminds me of bend but don't break...
When discussing the Giants D, an 'extra down' is nothing  
jcn56 : 5/5/2015 10:51 am : link
that you want to look forward to.
RE: I hate the  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12271866 jgambrosio said:
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reminds me of bend but don't break...


What he meant was that MT can prevent tds which will allow the D to 'live another day' to keep a td from occurring.. Nothing to do with bend but not break
RE: both  
area junc : 5/5/2015 10:53 am : link
thompson: giants feel everything clicked for him midway thru Senior year. started hitting people

Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger
RE: When discussing the Giants D, an 'extra down' is nothing  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:53 am : link
In comment 12271870 jcn56 said:
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that you want to look forward to.


Much better than allowing a breakaway TD from occurring, which was his only point..The choice being, allow a TD or giving the D once more chance to stop a drive..
RE: RE: Flowers projects as a top LT  
Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12271853 blapre74 said:
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and is potentially the 'blue-goose' LT that Reese has waxed poetic about. The stars aligned this year and we were able to draft a guy to become that.

As for the Collins comments, that's great to hear. It sounds like they are going to evaluate his optimal playing weight closely. If he can play at 230 fine, but I'm betting he will be much more fluid/faster/quicker at 215-220.

Coach, do you think he's a lb at that weight?


No, but he may be more limited in roles that focus on range and coverage ability. It depends on the role they want to play him. Do they want to re-establish the 'Deon Grant' role and have him predominantly playing close to the LOS and also playing Nickel pseudo-LB.

On the surface my guess is 215-220 would be ideal as he could play almost any role without being exposed. He may not have as much ruggedness in the run game but the speed/quickness/fluidity he gains will more than make up for it.
Beatty hits 30 this year  
JonC : 5/5/2015 10:57 am : link
and has battled inconsistency throughout his NFL career. It shouldn't hurt for the brass to exert some pressure on him to pick up his battle and performance levels. He's got to earn his job each year now, and that's a good thing.

Roster competition in football is a good thing. Turnover is often 25% or higher year after year, and being a sport of attrition the average career is only ~4 years. It's time to get his potential successor in the pipeline, and push Beatty at the same time.

Landon's a S. He might play LB in some different looks, but he's a safety. Get that weight down around 220 and it will help his cause.
RE: RE: both  
Coach Mason : 5/5/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12271876 area junc said:
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thompson: giants feel everything clicked for him midway thru Senior year. started hitting people

Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger


I won't call you crazy. Give me a guy that projects as a dominant LT any day of the week and 2X on Sunday.

Scherff may be the better play year 1 though. We'll see how quick Ereck takes to NFL coaching.
RE: Thompson  
JonC : 5/5/2015 10:58 am : link
NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.
RE: RE: RE: both  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12271891 Coach Mason said:
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In comment 12271876 area junc said:


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thompson: giants feel everything clicked for him midway thru Senior year. started hitting people

Flowers: call me crazy but give me flowers over scherff. scherff is the safe pick while flowers has a chance to be on another level. for all the credit scherff gets for being tough i'll take flowers in a fist fight. dude's bigger, tougher and much stronger



I won't call you crazy. Give me a guy that projects as a dominant LT any day of the week and 2X on Sunday.

Scherff may be the better play year 1 though. We'll see how quick Ereck takes to NFL coaching.


Essentially an Erecktion? :)
RE: RE: Thompson  
Strip-Sack : 5/5/2015 11:02 am : link
In comment 12271892 JonC said:
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NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.


MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.
RE: RE: RE: Thompson  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 11:29 am : link
In comment 12271901 Strip-Sack said:
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In comment 12271892 JonC said:


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NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.



MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.


You see the analogy there? I have no idea..Just askin'
re: The UT DB pipeline  
bc4life : 5/5/2015 11:47 am : link
There have been some coaching changes, so, have the secondary position coaches remained the same?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Thompson  
Strip-Sack : 5/5/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12271978 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12271892 JonC said:


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NYG loves the UT DB pipeline, it probably earned him a bump in grade/value.



MT actually reminds me of Ross as far as his athletic fluidity and "calm" tackling traits.



You see the analogy there? I have no idea..Just askin'

From what I see on tape, he looks like a very smooth athlete who can fly to the ball and make a sure tackle, not necessarily a thumper but he brings the guy to the ground. If memory serves, this is how I think of Ross....obviously Ross had better cover corner skills but I mostly remember Ross in the same vein as what I see from this kids tape...albeit a faster version.
Love the Collins pick  
#10* : 5/5/2015 11:57 am : link
Seems like a really good kid.

As far as Beatty don't think it means his days are numbered, always thought he'd make a better RT. Hopefully for a little less money or then his days are numbered.
I think having Scherff and Flowers close  
Mr. Nickels : 5/5/2015 12:00 pm : link
relates mostly to Pugh.

With Scherff there is no need to move Pugh and there is more flexibility. Scherff plugs in at Guard.

Flowers however forces Pugh to move to guard.

Maybe they were more comfortable adding Scherff to guard?

Either way it likely will work out for the better.
bc  
JonC : 5/5/2015 12:01 pm : link
I don't recall, but Coach Strong is a highly regarded defensive mind by many accounts, and a former DB himself. His strength is teaching and his DB pipeline will be strong, imo.
They viewed Scherff as a tackle, first  
JonC : 5/5/2015 12:04 pm : link
Pugh being kicked inside was part of the equation.
Historically, Texas produces a top 5 crop of high school talent  
JonC : 5/5/2015 12:34 pm : link
and a ton of it stays in state, especially to attend UT. DB pipeline is one NYG has always monitored consistently, it should continue to excel under Strong, imv.

RE: With Beatty the current LT  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/5/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12271820 Giants2012 said:
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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?


I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.
RE: RE: With Beatty the current LT  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12272197 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 12271820 Giants2012 said:


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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?



I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.


2013 he was hurt most, if not all year and it affected his play..He had a fine year in 2014, especially with an unstable line
You nailed it, Big Blue ....  
Manny in CA : 5/5/2015 6:31 pm : link
Beatty hasn't had a guard next to him that he could count on since Boothe went back to Oakland - and it affected his play severely, (his busted leg didn't help).

Hopefully, with Pugh next to him (especially on passing downs), Beatty won't have to worry as much, trying to help, inside.

RE: RE: With Beatty the current LT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/5/2015 6:46 pm : link
In comment 12272197 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 12271820 Giants2012 said:


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I'm kinda surprised Reese keeps saying Flowers is a LT. Can Reese be anymore blunt that Beatty's days or years are numbered?



I wouldn't be surprised if Reese and the coaches are frustrated with Beatty. They all but handed him the starting LT position back in 2010 but he didn't grab it, and he really only played above-average during 2012, his contract year. Since then he has been at best average. Plus he does not play with any fire.


Fans are probably a lot more frustrated with Beatty than the team is. An average left tackle is still a starting LT. To get one in the second round of the draft is an organizational success. He had a bad year, then bounced back nicely.
Actually with Reese saying over and over again that Flowers is a T  
PatersonPlank : 5/5/2015 7:49 pm : link
IMO it sends the message to Pugh more than Beatty. Pugh better start reading up on the Guard playbook.
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