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Mel Kiper

mdthedream : 5/5/2015 11:10 am
Mel Kiper's last mock had the Giants taking Flowers.I always felt Mel did a great job. I remember before the internet info buying his guide every year.
There was a time in the '80s and '90s  
Big Blue '56 : 5/5/2015 11:21 am : link
where I thought Kiper was very good..Then in the 2000s they started pairing him with clowns and he, probably out of desperation, became one himself, imo..

He really worked well with Paul Zimmerman and non-clown host Chris Berman
Draftniks still  
JonC : 5/5/2015 11:23 am : link
pine for Joel Buschbaum. PFW collapsed over time without him.
Kiper speaks with forked tongue  
Franko : 5/5/2015 11:24 am : link
On the ESPN broadcast, after the Giants picked Flowers, he said that Flowers (or any other offensive lineman still on the board) was worth the 9th pick. Seems kind of stupid to to say that if his own mock draft predicted the pick. Then again, it is Mel Kiper that we are talking about.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/5/2015 11:25 am : link
Never cared for his work, even in the beginning.
Agree  
mdthedream : 5/5/2015 11:26 am : link
wish ESPN would let him talk more during the draft. Chris Berman talking all day killed me.
He's a clown.  
drkenneth : 5/5/2015 11:28 am : link
I enjoyed the show he did with Gruden...Gruden was all over him.
I  
mdthedream : 5/5/2015 11:29 am : link
always thought his draft book was one of the better ones out there. It was like 500 pages.
Who the hell is Mel Kiper  
Gman11 : 5/5/2015 11:41 am : link
He never put on a jock strap.
RE: Who the hell is Mel Kiper  
blapre74 : 5/5/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12272007 Gman11 said:
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He never put on a jock strap.
"My mailman knows more about football than Mel Kiper." But, with the Colts, Kiper was correct. "That's why the Colts are always picking in the top of the draft." lmfao. Thanks for the reminder, G :)
But yet  
Ross : 5/5/2015 12:03 pm : link
Didn't he say that we drafted him to early? I know the mocks aren't a ranking of their draft prospects in order, but then why make the comment if you mocked hi going #9?

Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.

Ross  
blapre74 : 5/5/2015 12:05 pm : link
yes, he is hypocritical, at times. If the guy is the next Anthony Munoz, then who the hell cares if we took him at #9? If he's a flop, then, wtf? too early? moot point. :)
RE: But yet  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/5/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12272061 Ross said:
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Didn't he say that we drafted him to early? I know the mocks aren't a ranking of their draft prospects in order, but then why make the comment if you mocked hi going #9?

Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.

He had the Giants picking Flowers in his mock draft based on what he expected them to do because they need an OT. But he had Flowers ranked 27th on his draft board, thus the grade.

I'm not saying he's right, but he'd be hypocritical to give them a good grade based on his own rankings of the players,
The truth is  
SwirlingEddie : 5/5/2015 12:24 pm : link
all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.

If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.

This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
I like it when . . . .  
TC : 5/5/2015 12:56 pm : link
he and McShay look like they're about to start pummeling each other!
I will give him credit  
jtfuoco : 5/5/2015 1:14 pm : link
The guy is amazing with names and schools you can mention some random guy from 10 years ago and he can recall everything about the guy. I think its his TV personality that turns most people off from him not his content.
Kiper  
blue42 : 5/5/2015 1:19 pm : link
had a big hand in making the draft the event it is now....give him credit for that.
RE: The truth is  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/5/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12272118 SwirlingEddie said:
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all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.

If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.

This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.

Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.

I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.
I don't think Kiper's much of a talent evaluator  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2015 1:35 pm : link
But I do think he tends to have pretty good sources within organizations and have a decent feel for what individual teams are looking for.
Rick Gosselin  
NNJ Tom : 5/5/2015 2:17 pm : link
was the best. I still wonder why he stopped doing mock drafts.
Got to give Kiper credit  
Marty866b : 5/5/2015 4:21 pm : link
As a big draftnik when I was growing up(still am,kind of)I went to many drafts as a consultant for Sport Magazine so I sat on the main floor as a member of the press. Over the years(1978-1993)I got to meet and talk draft with folks like Joel Buchsbaum(used to get a lot of info from Kilroy of the Pats),Palmer Hughes(PFW),the folks form Ourlad,Mel Kiper, and Dave Te's Thomas, who used to do work for the NFL,I believe. Kiper got the gig a ESPN and helped bring the popularity of the event to where it is today. Either right or wrong, he brings enthusiasm,and seemilngly endless knowledge on each player. IMO, the best of all these "draftniks"were the Marrasco brothers who worked for PFW in the 1970's.
Kiper's approach, in a nutshell  
George : 5/5/2015 4:28 pm : link
"It's obvious to me that the Jets just don't understand what the draft's all about."
Kiper's best quote - ( New Window )
Kiper brings arrogance and anger.  
Crispino : 5/5/2015 4:55 pm : link
Arrogant in that he thinks he knows football talent better than anyone, and anger when teams don't pick the way he wants them to. The fact that you spend all of your time learning who's who, doesn't mean your opinion is more valuable than the opinion of those who get paid to actually build a team.

Just because you know all the answers on Jeopardy while sitting on your couch doesn't mean you'll go on the show and clean up.
RE: RE: The truth is  
SwirlingEddie : 5/5/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12272220 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 12272118 SwirlingEddie said:


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all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.

If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.

This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.


Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.

I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.


That's a metric that is very subjective and there is no accepted standard of evaluation, which is why I avoided using it.
I like Kiper  
GiantsLaw : 5/6/2015 12:11 am : link
He's not afraid to give his opinion.
Buschbaum was the best  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2015 12:17 am : link
Kiper just reeks of everything hokey about the draft. He's kind of the personification of not just the draftnik, but the draft enthusiast who only cares about the stock market aspect of the draft, as opposed to the players/teams/what actually happens.
My friend...  
Chris in Philly : 5/6/2015 12:36 am : link
used ti deliver pizza to his house in MD. Ba tipper...
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