Mel Kiper's last mock had the Giants taking Flowers.I always felt Mel did a great job. I remember before the internet info buying his guide every year.
where I thought Kiper was very good..Then in the 2000s they started pairing him with clowns and he, probably out of desperation, became one himself, imo..
He really worked well with Paul Zimmerman and non-clown host Chris Berman
On the ESPN broadcast, after the Giants picked Flowers, he said that Flowers (or any other offensive lineman still on the board) was worth the 9th pick. Seems kind of stupid to to say that if his own mock draft predicted the pick. Then again, it is Mel Kiper that we are talking about.
"My mailman knows more about football than Mel Kiper." But, with the Colts, Kiper was correct. "That's why the Colts are always picking in the top of the draft." lmfao. Thanks for the reminder, G :)
Didn't he say that we drafted him to early? I know the mocks aren't a ranking of their draft prospects in order, but then why make the comment if you mocked hi going #9?
Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.
yes, he is hypocritical, at times. If the guy is the next Anthony Munoz, then who the hell cares if we took him at #9? If he's a flop, then, wtf? too early? moot point. :)
Didn't he say that we drafted him to early? I know the mocks aren't a ranking of their draft prospects in order, but then why make the comment if you mocked hi going #9?
Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.
He had the Giants picking Flowers in his mock draft based on what he expected them to do because they need an OT. But he had Flowers ranked 27th on his draft board, thus the grade.
I'm not saying he's right, but he'd be hypocritical to give them a good grade based on his own rankings of the players,
The guy is amazing with names and schools you can mention some random guy from 10 years ago and he can recall everything about the guy. I think its his TV personality that turns most people off from him not his content.
all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.
If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.
This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.
I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.
As a big draftnik when I was growing up(still am,kind of)I went to many drafts as a consultant for Sport Magazine so I sat on the main floor as a member of the press. Over the years(1978-1993)I got to meet and talk draft with folks like Joel Buchsbaum(used to get a lot of info from Kilroy of the Pats),Palmer Hughes(PFW),the folks form Ourlad,Mel Kiper, and Dave Te's Thomas, who used to do work for the NFL,I believe. Kiper got the gig a ESPN and helped bring the popularity of the event to where it is today. Either right or wrong, he brings enthusiasm,and seemilngly endless knowledge on each player. IMO, the best of all these "draftniks"were the Marrasco brothers who worked for PFW in the 1970's.
Arrogant in that he thinks he knows football talent better than anyone, and anger when teams don't pick the way he wants them to. The fact that you spend all of your time learning who's who, doesn't mean your opinion is more valuable than the opinion of those who get paid to actually build a team.
Just because you know all the answers on Jeopardy while sitting on your couch doesn't mean you'll go on the show and clean up.
all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.
If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.
This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.
I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.
That's a metric that is very subjective and there is no accepted standard of evaluation, which is why I avoided using it.
Kiper just reeks of everything hokey about the draft. He's kind of the personification of not just the draftnik, but the draft enthusiast who only cares about the stock market aspect of the draft, as opposed to the players/teams/what actually happens.
He really worked well with Paul Zimmerman and non-clown host Chris Berman
Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.
Not a fan and I seem to think he's wrong more than he's right.
He had the Giants picking Flowers in his mock draft based on what he expected them to do because they need an OT. But he had Flowers ranked 27th on his draft board, thus the grade.
I'm not saying he's right, but he'd be hypocritical to give them a good grade based on his own rankings of the players,
If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.
This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.
This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.
I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.
Kiper's best quote - ( New Window )
Just because you know all the answers on Jeopardy while sitting on your couch doesn't mean you'll go on the show and clean up.
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all draft prognosticators are inaccurate. Kiper is still a bit less inaccurate than most.
If you look at predicting the draft (not predicting NFL performance) Kiper is still above average compared to his peers.
This year for example, his final Top 100 board was tied for 18th for accuracy out of 56 boards submitted to The Huddle Report.
Actually I don't see how that has any bearing. His top 100 board lists the players he thinks are the 100 best. It's not a prediction on who will be drafted. What percentage actually got drafted in the top 100 picks isn't at all a metric on whether he's right or not.
I'd be more interested in a evaluation of how his top 100 from years ago fared as players in the leauge vs. the first 100 players actually drafted.
That's a metric that is very subjective and there is no accepted standard of evaluation, which is why I avoided using it.