Again, if someone is going to tell me that a starting position for Pugh is not set in stone, then we'll have to agree to really disagree.
Signing a cheap first-round talent does not erase the investment the organization has already made in Pugh, and to a certain extent, the pressure of not accepting failure with a first round pick. In other words, you are talking about a team that didn't give up on Ramses Barden, Jerrel Jernigan, Sincorice Moss, etc for years. They certainly are not going to give up on a 1st round draft pick who played very well as a rookie and had an inconsistent (and injury-plagued) sophomore year.
Pugh is one of the safest picks to start forget about him. What about Schwartz?
He's proven nothing since he got here. His cap number could be more due to desperation than anything. Is anyone confident with him penciled as a starter and no depth?
If I'm talking to Collins I'm telling him there's a legit shot to win a G spot or the RT spot. Flowers needing time or Schwartz being benched are two very likely scenarios if they were able to sign him
Idk what Collins' decision making process is but if I'm the giants I make a serious effort to bring this kid in.
to try and bring this kid in. He is not a suspect so you can still claim you are assuming innocent until proven guilty. Obviously if he is arrested and will have a trial coming, you cut him.
In regards to the investments made in other lineman, that can't be a consideration. Those are sunk costs. If you can get a first round talent for peanuts, you don't pass on it because you have Justin Pugh or Geoff Schwartz. Those are not generational talents that can't be put on the bench. It's a great problem to have. If Collins comes in and he outplays either one of them (or even Beatty although I believe they will not put any rookie at LT) then he starts.
The costs invested in Pugh, Schwartz and Beatty are sunk and you can't undo them. That should not handcuff them into making poor decisions going forward.
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to try and bring this kid in. He is not a suspect so you can still claim you are assuming innocent until proven guilty. Obviously if he is arrested and will have a trial coming, you cut him.
In regards to the investments made in other lineman, that can't be a consideration. Those are sunk costs. If you can get a first round talent for peanuts, you don't pass on it because you have Justin Pugh or Geoff Schwartz. Those are not generational talents that can't be put on the bench. It's a great problem to have. If Collins comes in and he outplays either one of them (or even Beatty although I believe they will not put any rookie at LT) then he starts.
The costs invested in Pugh, Schwartz and Beatty are sunk and you can't undo them. That should not handcuff them into making poor decisions going forward.
Absolutely. Put the best 5 out there. That would be stupid to start people because of what they're paid.
Strictly speaking, salary was converted to a "games active" incentive, but a pay cut is a pay cut. He is anything but secure, and could easily be a cap casualty in 2016.
whether or not La'El comes here has no bearing on who is currently on our roster ... its a matter of want, wanting him here, FO must do there work ...
How about him wanting to be here? It takes two parties to make a deal, and we aren't his only chance to go to the prom...he's gonna get lots of invites.
whether or not La'El comes here has no bearing on who is currently on our roster ... its a matter of want, wanting him here, FO must do there work ...
How about him wanting to be here? It takes two parties to make a deal, and we aren't his only chance to go to the prom...he's gonna get lots of invites.
you are talking about a 20 year old "man", who would not want to come to the biggest market place in the world ? the lifestyle, the glam, the night life, all these alluring factors come to play ... these "kids" all dream of making it big in NYC ... its more a matte of our FO seizing the opportunity ...
if Collins signs here, he very may well sit a year and start next year for Schwartz and be first off the bench this year in case of injury
but he has a chance other rookies don't. he can pick where he will live. which coach he wants to play for. does he want to play right away or be on a winning team. you will find out quickly what is most important to him at this point in his life.
the giants can offer basically a max signing bonus. the chance to play for a borderline hall of fame coach of impeccable character and for one of the best organizations in the league (which after everything he's been through may be very important to him right now). to play on an up and coming team that is a contender and also play for a former coach of his and play with one of his best friends (OBJ). and he will be in NY (he may or may not like that).
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Collins may sit this year and fill in for injured players (there are always injuries, he'll get playing time). Next year, he starts, with either Beatty or Schwartz no longer starting (Beatty out = Flowers to LT, Collins to RT; Schwartz out = Collins to RG).
Second:
The key is the guaranteed money (as always in the NFL). The pay limits and contract length are clearly defined, but the amount guaranteed is discretionary.
And probably the second item is most important. Generally players go to where they find the most guaranteed money. Not always, but it is a sensible expectation.
So, how much are the Giants willing to guarantee?
I would hope the full amount, all three years.
RE: If a team drafted him, he could sit out the year, as he'd Â
threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
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because just to have a seat at the table any team interested will guarantee all 3 years and give max signing bonus they have left. Of the teams that meet that minimum, he will pick the spot that is best for him and his future.
The debate here is more about what should be most important to his decision making process.
There are a lot of reasons for the Giants to be an attractive landing spot, there are also a lot of reasons why it isn't.
My opinion is, if the kid is cleared, the Giants should offer the max they can to him and see what he decides in the end.
The Giants had a large contingent at La'el's pro day. Jerry Reese and Lunda Wells were both there. Lunda was one of 2 coaches to put La'el through the OL drills at the pro day. 4 teams were listed as having met with Collins at the pro-day and the Giants were among them.
RE: RE: If a team drafted him, he could sit out the year, as he'd Â
threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
They can't change the rules for him. If a player is drafted and cannot agree to terms with the drafting team, that player can re-enter the next draft. The issue was he was not drafted, so that rule does not apply to him anymore.
spot for him on the offensive line - but injuries will happen, and there's always competition. If La'El truly wants to play right away, then yes, the Giants might not be the best team for him in year 1. But if you're talking about overall organization, stability, winning pedigree, and a chance to develop with a young line, then the Giants have to be right up there.
I'm not optimistic that we sign him, but to completely rule it out would be shortsighted.
RE: RE: If a team drafted him, he could sit out the year, as he'd Â
threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
No, Mooch, if he were drafted he could sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year. Having gone through a draft undrafted, he doesn't have that option.
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threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
That's collectively bargained. They can say that but they'd be looking at a law suit.
Let Collins Flowers and Pugh figure out with their play who winds up being the tackles in 2016. Beatty and Schwartz are not guys who will be making anyones all pro team and neither should be some long term answer unless something weird happens. Beatty is a JAG on his best day and will be 31 next year. Schwartz was the best available G last year and Reese had to get someone. He got hurt and needs to play really well or three's zero reason he can be shit canned next years as well for younger better players.
Richberg is the C so Collins can easily work himself in at G or RT kicking Jerry to the bench or even better off the team where he belongs.
that's an indictment on Mosely and Herman, how long do these guys all get to hang around on an nfl roster, earn pay, and contribute nothing on Sundays ?
way better than Pugh just are clueless. Pugh is a damn talented lineman. If they plop Flowers at RT to start I predict he will struggle. Most rookie lineman tackles do, including top overall picks. People pick a game or two (ie first Eagle game last year) and ignore the vast body of work. If the Giants are smart, they'll start Flowers at LG, and move him to Tackle only if necessary.
RE: RE: RE: If a team drafted him, he could sit out the year, as he'd Â
threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
No, Mooch, if he were drafted he could sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year. Having gone through a draft undrafted, he doesn't have that option.
From NFL.com:
Collins' representatives had told clubs that Collins would refuse to sign with a team that drafted him outside the third round and that Collins would simply re-enter the draft in 2016. However, that is not an option according to NFL rules, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Saturday. Teams were wary of drafting Collins until they know more information. The opinion across football has been relatively simple: Wait until the investigation process runs its course.
but to me, it's obvious the NFL asked teams not to draft this guy. I'm sure it was off the record, but you can't convince me that one of 32 teams wouldnt take a chance on this kid with a 7th round pick unless they were told not to. The interest he's getting now almost proves that point. Why fight with other teams for him when you could have had him for yourself in the 7th. I'm thinking the NFL suspects that he was involved in the murder. Otherwise they wouldn't put themselves in a risky spot like this. If this kid had nothing to do with the murder, the police and the NFL owe him a huge apology.
Not cynical at all, and completely correct. There was obviously an agreement amongst owners, or an edict from the top, to not draft him. Someone definitely would have used a 7th at the very least on him.
One report said that as all this news was breaking, teams were actually sharing info about the kid that they'd gathered about his personal life, friends, blemishes, etc...that's something that never normally happens. It was a group decision to wait and see.
Thanks Hades...I saw that reported as well, and many articles say that. But I also heard it was incorrect, and the NFL.com article I took that excerpt from was more recent than the Florio article. I don't know the legal details, but I know I had heard that the NFL said he couldn't go back in the draft next year regardless of whether he was drafted or not, and that NFL.com article supports it.
This is the article I referenced... NFL.com on Collins - ( New Window )
your article is incorrect. If a player is drafted and cannot agree to terms with the drafting club, he re-enters the draft the next season. If he goes undrafted, he cannot be eligible for the draft again. This rule is in place to prevent what Eli Manning did. Circumvent the draft process and choose where you want to go.
Craig Erikson is an example of a player who was draft eligible twice. Another more famous example is Bo Jackson, not sure why I thought of Erikson first.
With regard to an unsigned draftee's eligibility for the next draft... Â
...here's the relevant text, from CBA Article 6, Section 4(b):
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If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first game of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft.
Clearly, if Collins wanted to enter the 2016 Draft, his agent should not have warned teams not to draft him on Day 3.
As for the Supplemental Draft, that was NEVER possible. Article 6, Section 2(c) defines the eligibility criteria for the supplemental draft:
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(c) If a player who was not eligible for the Draft in any League Year becomes eligible after the date of the Draft, he will be eligible to be selected in a Supplemental Draft, if the League elects to conduct such a Draft, on or before the seventh
calendar day prior to the opening of the first training camp that League Year. No player may elect to bypass a Draft for which he is eligible to apply for selection in a Supplemental Draft.
Geoff Schwartz is more interested in humble bragging on Twitter or maintaining his Wikipedia page than playing football anyway. He was tremendous at KC with a +18.6 PFF score, but now that he's getting paid, and the injuries have started, the Giants can't count on him. Once the lower leg and foot injuries set in on big guys like that, there is a high likelihood they're toast.
You head it right on the head, a worthless signing if there ever was one. I would guarantee Collins the starting LG position, he is a much superior athlete and would be a starter on any team that drafted him. However after saying that a Florida boy isn't going to the Met when he can play half of his games in Florida.
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without any evidence of guilt I see a huge lawsuit against the NFL if I were Collins....
IMO, that lawsuit would never have a prayer- there is no requirement that you be drafted if you are eligible. Look how many UDFA there are- and how many never even get that.
He can't prove he was even going to be drafted- remember how many guides had guys getting picked in the top rounds- who ended up UDFA?
IMO, thrown out by a judge before the ink is even dry on the paper.
Strictly speaking, salary was converted to a "games active" incentive, but a pay cut is a pay cut. He is anything but secure, and could easily be a cap casualty in 2016.
Exactly. Both Beatty and Schwartz could easily become cap casualties in 2016, thus making NYG an optimal destination for La'El if he looks at things from the big picture perspective (e.e., getting an accrued season 2015 working towards Free Agency after three years of service after the 2017 season).
RE: With regard to an unsigned draftee's eligibility for the next draft... Â
...here's the relevant text, from CBA Article 6, Section 4(b):
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If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first game of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft.
Clearly, if Collins wanted to enter the 2016 Draft, his agent should not have warned teams not to draft him on Day 3.
As for the Supplemental Draft, that was NEVER possible. Article 6, Section 2(c) defines the eligibility criteria for the supplemental draft:
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(c) If a player who was not eligible for the Draft in any League Year becomes eligible after the date of the Draft, he will be eligible to be selected in a Supplemental Draft, if the League elects to conduct such a Draft, on or before the seventh
calendar day prior to the opening of the first training camp that League Year. No player may elect to bypass a Draft for which he is eligible to apply for selection in a Supplemental Draft.
Blogger Andrew Brandt(ex Pacxker cap guy) spoke on this this morning on Sirius. He wanted to be an unrestricted FA TYhe thinking was that he would get more after his 3rd year that way. I forget the intricacies of how he worded it but he was specific. That they wanted him to be an UDFA but would renters the draft if chosen.
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Blogger Andrew Brandt(ex Pacxker cap guy) spoke on this this morning on Sirius. He wanted to be an unrestricted FA TYhe thinking was that he would get more after his 3rd year that way. I forget the intricacies of how he worded it but he was specific. That they wanted him to be an UDFA but would renters the draft if chosen.
I understand his frustration but he is coming at this wrong. He now is saying even if given the opportunity of being an UDFA something unlikely, he would still seek to reenter the draft.
without any evidence of guilt I see a huge lawsuit against the NFL if Â
Signing a cheap first-round talent does not erase the investment the organization has already made in Pugh, and to a certain extent, the pressure of not accepting failure with a first round pick. In other words, you are talking about a team that didn't give up on Ramses Barden, Jerrel Jernigan, Sincorice Moss, etc for years. They certainly are not going to give up on a 1st round draft pick who played very well as a rookie and had an inconsistent (and injury-plagued) sophomore year.
Pugh is one of the safest picks to start forget about him. What about Schwartz?
He's proven nothing since he got here. His cap number could be more due to desperation than anything. Is anyone confident with him penciled as a starter and no depth?
If I'm talking to Collins I'm telling him there's a legit shot to win a G spot or the RT spot. Flowers needing time or Schwartz being benched are two very likely scenarios if they were able to sign him
Idk what Collins' decision making process is but if I'm the giants I make a serious effort to bring this kid in.
In regards to the investments made in other lineman, that can't be a consideration. Those are sunk costs. If you can get a first round talent for peanuts, you don't pass on it because you have Justin Pugh or Geoff Schwartz. Those are not generational talents that can't be put on the bench. It's a great problem to have. If Collins comes in and he outplays either one of them (or even Beatty although I believe they will not put any rookie at LT) then he starts.
The costs invested in Pugh, Schwartz and Beatty are sunk and you can't undo them. That should not handcuff them into making poor decisions going forward.
In regards to the investments made in other lineman, that can't be a consideration. Those are sunk costs. If you can get a first round talent for peanuts, you don't pass on it because you have Justin Pugh or Geoff Schwartz. Those are not generational talents that can't be put on the bench. It's a great problem to have. If Collins comes in and he outplays either one of them (or even Beatty although I believe they will not put any rookie at LT) then he starts.
The costs invested in Pugh, Schwartz and Beatty are sunk and you can't undo them. That should not handcuff them into making poor decisions going forward.
Absolutely. Put the best 5 out there. That would be stupid to start people because of what they're paid.
Did the NFL ban him from being drafted?
How about him wanting to be here? It takes two parties to make a deal, and we aren't his only chance to go to the prom...he's gonna get lots of invites.
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whether or not La'El comes here has no bearing on who is currently on our roster ... its a matter of want, wanting him here, FO must do there work ...
How about him wanting to be here? It takes two parties to make a deal, and we aren't his only chance to go to the prom...he's gonna get lots of invites.
you are talking about a 20 year old "man", who would not want to come to the biggest market place in the world ? the lifestyle, the glam, the night life, all these alluring factors come to play ... these "kids" all dream of making it big in NYC ... its more a matte of our FO seizing the opportunity ...
but he has a chance other rookies don't. he can pick where he will live. which coach he wants to play for. does he want to play right away or be on a winning team. you will find out quickly what is most important to him at this point in his life.
the giants can offer basically a max signing bonus. the chance to play for a borderline hall of fame coach of impeccable character and for one of the best organizations in the league (which after everything he's been through may be very important to him right now). to play on an up and coming team that is a contender and also play for a former coach of his and play with one of his best friends (OBJ). and he will be in NY (he may or may not like that).
Collins may sit this year and fill in for injured players (there are always injuries, he'll get playing time). Next year, he starts, with either Beatty or Schwartz no longer starting (Beatty out = Flowers to LT, Collins to RT; Schwartz out = Collins to RG).
Second:
The key is the guaranteed money (as always in the NFL). The pay limits and contract length are clearly defined, but the amount guaranteed is discretionary.
And probably the second item is most important. Generally players go to where they find the most guaranteed money. Not always, but it is a sensible expectation.
So, how much are the Giants willing to guarantee?
I would hope the full amount, all three years.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
The debate here is more about what should be most important to his decision making process.
There are a lot of reasons for the Giants to be an attractive landing spot, there are also a lot of reasons why it isn't.
My opinion is, if the kid is cleared, the Giants should offer the max they can to him and see what he decides in the end.
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threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
I'm not optimistic that we sign him, but to completely rule it out would be shortsighted.
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threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
No, Mooch, if he were drafted he could sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year. Having gone through a draft undrafted, he doesn't have that option.
You can google LSU lazy players. It was everywhere a couple years ago.
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threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
That's collectively bargained. They can say that but they'd be looking at a law suit.
Richberg is the C so Collins can easily work himself in at G or RT kicking Jerry to the bench or even better off the team where he belongs.
that's an indictment on Mosely and Herman, how long do these guys all get to hang around on an nfl roster, earn pay, and contribute nothing on Sundays ?
Oh shit. I forgot about that picture. Someone posted it a couple of months ago. LOL.
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arround Collins. Was suppose to be a high character guy. Assume image from a reliable source?
You can google LSU lazy players. It was everywhere a couple years ago.
Yeah, I remember Spencer Ware had to explain that picture in his interviews.
At least I would like to thinks so!
Go get 'em, Jerry!
So if the Giants want to offer Collins some bonus money they likely can afford the most in the NFL.
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threatened to do, and go back into next year's draft. Teams didn't want to waste a pick in order to allow Collins to do that. Now, having gone through a draft, he has no choice but to sign as an UDFA, because sitting out a year gains him nothing...he can't go into next year's draft.
Pretty sure the NFL came out and said he could not re-enter next year's draft regardless of if he were drafted or not.
No, Mooch, if he were drafted he could sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year. Having gone through a draft undrafted, he doesn't have that option.
From NFL.com:
Collins' representatives had told clubs that Collins would refuse to sign with a team that drafted him outside the third round and that Collins would simply re-enter the draft in 2016. However, that is not an option according to NFL rules, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Saturday. Teams were wary of drafting Collins until they know more information. The opinion across football has been relatively simple: Wait until the investigation process runs its course.
Not cynical at all, and completely correct. There was obviously an agreement amongst owners, or an edict from the top, to not draft him. Someone definitely would have used a 7th at the very least on him.
One report said that as all this news was breaking, teams were actually sharing info about the kid that they'd gathered about his personal life, friends, blemishes, etc...that's something that never normally happens. It was a group decision to wait and see.
Link - ( New Window )
Thanks Hades...I saw that reported as well, and many articles say that. But I also heard it was incorrect, and the NFL.com article I took that excerpt from was more recent than the Florio article. I don't know the legal details, but I know I had heard that the NFL said he couldn't go back in the draft next year regardless of whether he was drafted or not, and that NFL.com article supports it.
NFL.com on Collins - ( New Window )
Craig Erikson is an example of a player who was draft eligible twice. Another more famous example is Bo Jackson, not sure why I thought of Erikson first.
As for the Supplemental Draft, that was NEVER possible. Article 6, Section 2(c) defines the eligibility criteria for the supplemental draft:
calendar day prior to the opening of the first training camp that League Year. No player may elect to bypass a Draft for which he is eligible to apply for selection in a Supplemental Draft.
How could you possibly prove it?
You head it right on the head, a worthless signing if there ever was one. I would guarantee Collins the starting LG position, he is a much superior athlete and would be a starter on any team that drafted him. However after saying that a Florida boy isn't going to the Met when he can play half of his games in Florida.
IMO, that lawsuit would never have a prayer- there is no requirement that you be drafted if you are eligible. Look how many UDFA there are- and how many never even get that.
He can't prove he was even going to be drafted- remember how many guides had guys getting picked in the top rounds- who ended up UDFA?
IMO, thrown out by a judge before the ink is even dry on the paper.
Exactly. Both Beatty and Schwartz could easily become cap casualties in 2016, thus making NYG an optimal destination for La'El if he looks at things from the big picture perspective (e.e., getting an accrued season 2015 working towards Free Agency after three years of service after the 2017 season).
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If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first game of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft.
Clearly, if Collins wanted to enter the 2016 Draft, his agent should not have warned teams not to draft him on Day 3.
As for the Supplemental Draft, that was NEVER possible. Article 6, Section 2(c) defines the eligibility criteria for the supplemental draft:
Quote:
(c) If a player who was not eligible for the Draft in any League Year becomes eligible after the date of the Draft, he will be eligible to be selected in a Supplemental Draft, if the League elects to conduct such a Draft, on or before the seventh
calendar day prior to the opening of the first training camp that League Year. No player may elect to bypass a Draft for which he is eligible to apply for selection in a Supplemental Draft.
Blogger Andrew Brandt(ex Pacxker cap guy) spoke on this this morning on Sirius. He wanted to be an unrestricted FA TYhe thinking was that he would get more after his 3rd year that way. I forget the intricacies of how he worded it but he was specific. That they wanted him to be an UDFA but would renters the draft if chosen.
Blogger Andrew Brandt(ex Pacxker cap guy) spoke on this this morning on Sirius. He wanted to be an unrestricted FA TYhe thinking was that he would get more after his 3rd year that way. I forget the intricacies of how he worded it but he was specific. That they wanted him to be an UDFA but would renters the draft if chosen.
I understand his frustration but he is coming at this wrong. He now is saying even if given the opportunity of being an UDFA something unlikely, he would still seek to reenter the draft.