But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
imagine Beckham is why we're "in the mix." Coming to a team with a former teammate could be a way of stabilizing a very chaotic experience. But I still think he ends up elsewhere. As others have said, there really is no place for him. He needs to go to a team where he can start.
it would be wise for him to get into a good situation rather than just look for playing time. If he is comfortable with ODB, coughlin might be the best coach for him for his development.
With Schwartz injury history and Beatty probably only here for another year he might see playing time this year with the chance to go into camp as the starter the following year.
This is all assuming the giants have did there background check and he is clear of any charges.
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
exactly! And Collins' agent will recognize other teams have more of a need for a starting guard than the Gmen. :)
imagine Beckham is why we're "in the mix." Coming to a team with a former teammate could be a way of stabilizing a very chaotic experience. But I still think he ends up elsewhere. As others have said, there really is no place for him. He needs to go to a team where he can start.
I disagree, he needs to go to a situation with a coaching staff that can help him regain his image. Everyone knows he can play...that is not in question.
He needs to go to a stable situation where he can rebuild his image off the field. That should be goal #1 at least if I were him. He can play the game, no one is questioning that.
imagine Beckham is why we're "in the mix." Coming to a team with a former teammate could be a way of stabilizing a very chaotic experience. But I still think he ends up elsewhere. As others have said, there really is no place for him. He needs to go to a team where he can start.
but, he hasn't spoken to the police, and I'm just guessing he's got some part in this.
that there is no "spot" for La'El is absurd ... did we not all witness the overall line play for the past 3-4 seasons ? revolving doors at each vital hole ... ill tell you this, a healthy Schwartz is not that impressive ... don't believe me ? go back to his KC days, watch game film, I challenge you ...
You pick this La'El up, and even if he doesn't play right away, by mid season, he'd be in the lineup somewhere, may it be G or T ... And, if you look beyond 2015, you say goodbye to Beatty, and you are looking at Collins / Richburg / Flowers and some young core nucleolus in the trench ...
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
If Collins is better than Schwartz, why wouldnt they play him a sit Schwartz?
Someone pointed out in another thread that Schwartz is no lock health wise. Since 2011 he has dressed for 0, 13, 16 and 2 games. And only started 9. And he looked like shit in preseason last year but I'll give him the benefit of the Giants stupidly playing him at LG instead of RG on that one.
If he's clean it would be a coup for the Giants. Flowers AND Collins, and Collins coming CHEAP.
I don't understand those saying there is no place for him.
Schwartz is a complete unknown imo I don't see how you can pencil him in as a starter. Flowers may not be ready this year. So I can see a case in the short term where there is another place for an OL.
Long term the only projected tackles are Flowers and maybe Beatty or Pugh but the latter two guys appear to have pretty low ceiling for the position.
Why wouldn't make a strong push for him? Is it really that much of a worst case scenario if he's a murderer and they cut him? It makes a headline on the back page if the NY post big deal
would even be an instant upgrade over Pugh at OT? If Flowers isn't an immediate upgrade at RT, but Collins is an immediate (and significant) upgrade at LG, they could always start the year with Beatty-Collins-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh with Flowers backing up both OT spots.
Long way to go before etching in the game 1 starters.
which brings me back to a point I had made very long ago, Schwartz at full health is a B player, you want to talk Tiers or Lines as our GM puts it, he is not a Top Tier Player, he's your "Swing Guy" everyone loves to throw the term around ...
nothing is wrong with his image ... an ex-gf got killed he had nothing to do with it .... How is his image tarnished to the point he needs to make proactive strides to fix it?
just stupid to say there is no room for La'el hypothetically ... BC this line has been horrible for a while, you bring all these guys in, and let the best 5 emerge, but you would have to feel pretty darn good having 3 of them under the age of 23 and all highly regarded ...
Collins if he has a choice may not want to come here. His path to a starting job my be blocked. Although I suppose TC and co. could make it clear that the best guy will play. That he can earn his way. It is not like our o line is loaded with talent
That said if the Giants have a salary number they are comfortable with regarding the cap, I say bring him on board.
What would be the downside? In theory it would be having two first round caliber talents for the O line. WHat would be wrong with that?
If we don't make a go at him on the account of an "ok" starter like Schwartz, I'm going to be disappointed.
he's not "ok", go back to his KC film and watch, I am not sure what this FO was thinking when they were pulling out the check book, probably a move of desperation at that point, but now we are dealing from a position of power if you rope in La'El ...
"In this case, the Giants are likely doing their due diligence. As general manager Jerry Reese likes to say, they keep all options open when it comes to personnel. There is always a chance. What this really means is that the Giants haven't completely ruled out the possibility of signing Collins, who they view as a guard after playing tackle in college."
There's a huge difference between no completely ruling out a possibility and being "in the mix."
While I wouldn't disagree, good luck convincing the coaches otherwise.
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
I said coming here makes little sense for Collins. I still stand by that.
I disagree.
We agree that our Oline isn't set.
Perhaps Collins needs less limelight (if cleared) and him easing onto the roster isn't a bad thing. We'll try to work extra dough into his SB (I guess) but there's isn't much wiggle room there either so he won't make much money so again there's no rush to get him on the field.
He's friends with OBJ which might be attractive to him.
Could happen and it might be a good fit, you negative Nancy!
While I wouldn't disagree, good luck convincing the coaches otherwise.
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
The coaches, the regime, are very loyal. Loyal to a fault, at times. They value veteran experience unless the younger player leaves them no other choice.
While I wouldn't disagree, good luck convincing the coaches otherwise.
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
I think a lot of TC's conventional wisdom is road side in 2015 bc he has been mandated on making a post season push ... there is no reason to assume any player on that line is locked, maybe other than the C, which we haven't even seen him take an NFL snap either ...
We've not signed many UDFA's so we could probably offer a very decent bonus. By decent I mean comparatively, as last year each teams UDFA signing bonus pool was capped at around $88,000 teams with 10 or so UDFA's will have pretty much used that up.
Aside from the bonus, he'd be locked into a fixed 3 year deal. The three year contract will contain the minimum Paragraph 5 salary in each year, which will equal payouts of $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017 which is roughly equivalent to a 3rd round rookie believe it or not.
Of course he could probably make more by signing in a state without state income tax.
In terms of the actual opening on the team, that would work itself out.
certainly fits with the theme we've been hearing from Coughlin and Reese all off-season ..."COMPETITION"!!!
And winning the LOS again. And getting tougher and meaner.
Agreed! Coughlin's introductory press conference was filled with platitudes such as, we have to get back to Giants football, we have to dominate the line of scrimmage, we have to be physical, we have to win in the trenches and run the ball and on and on. Any chance to "upgrade", which is another term TC and Reese have been using an awful lot of, it has to be pursued.
But I don't see how Collins can be compared to Pugh coming out of college. Imo, Collins is the better prospect coming out and it's really not close. I also feel Collins would be a better guard than Pugh and would give Beatty a run for his money at left tackle as well. If the NYG sign him I would be incredibly happy and our oline would be set for years.
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
With Schwartz injury history and Beatty probably only here for another year he might see playing time this year with the chance to go into camp as the starter the following year.
This is all assuming the giants have did there background check and he is clear of any charges.
Or step in after the first injury. Not like Beatty and Schwartz are pillars of health.
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
I disagree, he needs to go to a situation with a coaching staff that can help him regain his image. Everyone knows he can play...that is not in question.
He needs to go to a stable situation where he can rebuild his image off the field. That should be goal #1 at least if I were him. He can play the game, no one is questioning that.
You pick this La'El up, and even if he doesn't play right away, by mid season, he'd be in the lineup somewhere, may it be G or T ... And, if you look beyond 2015, you say goodbye to Beatty, and you are looking at Collins / Richburg / Flowers and some young core nucleolus in the trench ...
Eli could play well into his 40's !
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
If Collins is better than Schwartz, why wouldnt they play him a sit Schwartz?
Please happen.
If he's clean it would be a coup for the Giants. Flowers AND Collins, and Collins coming CHEAP.
Long term the only projected tackles are Flowers and maybe Beatty or Pugh but the latter two guys appear to have pretty low ceiling for the position.
Why wouldn't make a strong push for him? Is it really that much of a worst case scenario if he's a murderer and they cut him? It makes a headline on the back page if the NY post big deal
Long way to go before etching in the game 1 starters.
which brings me back to a point I had made very long ago, Schwartz at full health is a B player, you want to talk Tiers or Lines as our GM puts it, he is not a Top Tier Player, he's your "Swing Guy" everyone loves to throw the term around ...
And Flowers hasn't even taken a training camp snap in the NFL yet.
Being able to replace either of them this year or next with a potentially better and for sure cheaper player is an unequivocal positive.
Good insurance for Schwartz,Pugh and maybe even Flowers at RT.
Should one get hurt (Schwartz?) , or under-perform or take longer to develop it would be an amazing insurance policy.
5 top 2 round worthy picks and a big money FA battling it out for 5 spots.
I said coming here makes little sense for Collins. I still stand by that.
And winning the LOS again. And getting tougher and meaner.
That said if the Giants have a salary number they are comfortable with regarding the cap, I say bring him on board.
What would be the downside? In theory it would be having two first round caliber talents for the O line. WHat would be wrong with that?
he's not "ok", go back to his KC film and watch, I am not sure what this FO was thinking when they were pulling out the check book, probably a move of desperation at that point, but now we are dealing from a position of power if you rope in La'El ...
"In this case, the Giants are likely doing their due diligence. As general manager Jerry Reese likes to say, they keep all options open when it comes to personnel. There is always a chance. What this really means is that the Giants haven't completely ruled out the possibility of signing Collins, who they view as a guard after playing tackle in college."
There's a huge difference between no completely ruling out a possibility and being "in the mix."
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
Really dude? Do you not think the fact that he knows ODB might be appealing?
Or did you just come to bitch? Sign him. Let the chips fall. This would be huge.
I said coming here makes little sense for Collins. I still stand by that.
We agree that our Oline isn't set.
Perhaps Collins needs less limelight (if cleared) and him easing onto the roster isn't a bad thing. We'll try to work extra dough into his SB (I guess) but there's isn't much wiggle room there either so he won't make much money so again there's no rush to get him on the field.
He's friends with OBJ which might be attractive to him.
Could happen and it might be a good fit, you negative Nancy!
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While I wouldn't disagree, good luck convincing the coaches otherwise.
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
The coaches, the regime, are very loyal. Loyal to a fault, at times. They value veteran experience unless the younger player leaves them no other choice.
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While I wouldn't disagree, good luck convincing the coaches otherwise.
JonC, do the coaches feel strongly about Schwartz?
I feel TC tends to start guys he trusts more over less experiences. Schwartz is a unique case where his cap number is high but I feel he hasn't shown much to prove he deserves a starting spot.
I think a lot of TC's conventional wisdom is road side in 2015 bc he has been mandated on making a post season push ... there is no reason to assume any player on that line is locked, maybe other than the C, which we haven't even seen him take an NFL snap either ...
Aside from the bonus, he'd be locked into a fixed 3 year deal. The three year contract will contain the minimum Paragraph 5 salary in each year, which will equal payouts of $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017 which is roughly equivalent to a 3rd round rookie believe it or not.
Of course he could probably make more by signing in a state without state income tax.
In terms of the actual opening on the team, that would work itself out.
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certainly fits with the theme we've been hearing from Coughlin and Reese all off-season ..."COMPETITION"!!!
And winning the LOS again. And getting tougher and meaner.
Agreed! Coughlin's introductory press conference was filled with platitudes such as, we have to get back to Giants football, we have to dominate the line of scrimmage, we have to be physical, we have to win in the trenches and run the ball and on and on. Any chance to "upgrade", which is another term TC and Reese have been using an awful lot of, it has to be pursued.