I sound like a negative nellie here, but Collins' agent will want to find his client some team where the coach can guarantee him a starting job. Coughlin can't do that.
I sound like a negative nellie here, but Collins' agent will want to find his client some team where the coach can guarantee him a starting job. Coughlin can't do that.
or at least have a very good chance of winning a starting job.
As Carl Banks said, the days of scholarships on the OLine need to be long over, this unit needs an overhaul and is getting it, the reason for the Giants to bring him in is simple, he competes for a job, like everyone else, the reason for him to sign here is he gets a chance to compete for a job, just like any other team can offer. The fact that we are the Giants and located in new York on one of the best franchises to play is a huge reason to sign here. It makes complete sense both ways. I can not understand anyone thinking otherwise, the arguments I have read are weak at best. He can play both guard and tackle, he would not be pigeon holed into any position, if he is one of the two best tackles on the team, and one of the 5 best OLinemen on the team, he would play, simple as that. You can guess who wins the jobs, but there are no guarantees, there is nobody worthy of that on this unit. Beatty included when you look at his salary and level of play he is no lock by any stretch of the imagination.
A starting job, the most endorsement opportunities of any team in the league, a player that he considers a big Brother (From his own mouth) & playing for a franchise that has won 4 Super Bowls + has a 2 time SB MVP at Quarterback.
So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
Oh really ... You think my boss asks me who said that quote and I just make up an answer? Sounds like career suicide. I have a wife and daughter to support. Don't think that sounds prudent.
seem to go where the jazz is. There are Tigers on Miami and elsewhere so OBJ is just another one. Like I said, best to hope he doesn't sign within the division. I'm suppressing my hopes.
So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
Oh really ... You think my boss asks me who said that quote and I just make up an answer? Sounds like career suicide. I have a wife and daughter to support. Don't think that sounds prudent.
under a win-a-spot challenge from TC, and does, wouldn't the Giants and TCs reputations enhance his chances of get his life back to normal? Likewise, again with their reputations, wouldn't signing with the Giants and sitting hide him from exposure by sitting with NYFG vs with Boys, Raider, Bengals, or starting elsewhere?
would apply to all 32 teams, because techinically any team is in the mix? Or does 'the Giants are in the mix' imply that they are actively looking into signing him.
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
He should have a better chance than Flowers to beat out pugh. He is a nasty physical player like Flowers, but his technique is better. I mean his feet. I don't know jack about O-line play, but it only takes seconds to see on tape that Flowers initial step is like nothing I have seen before, and it seems to be obviously a bad thing. Now, our GMEN had him for a workout, so I assume he took to there coaching and they were encuraged that they can correct his technical issues.... There is a lot to like about him, I don't want to insult. The guy is like a jumbo sized heat seeking missle, strapped to a flying bus, wrapped in bacon. Reese called our 5th rnd FS calm in space. I would say the same about Flowers. He finds the crashing defenders, and he doesn't let the feints and twists fool him. In the second level he generally finds a man to block, and then obliterates him. I just like Collins' chances of succeeding in pass block situations better.
Wants to play LT. I don't see it (signing) happening but anything is possible.
As long as we are talking about long shots....
He has to be aware of Beatty's contract situation. Why wouldn't he want (as others have said) a chance without pressure to learn for a few games and have the self confidence to start @ LT by year end or even in 2016. (Even without injuries, having one extra starter can't be bad. Can't have too many DEs, oops, OLs.)
The agent for Collins, Deryk Gilmore, was notifying teams today as to what teams are "in the mix" and which are not.
Its unknown how many are "in", but I can't imagine Jordan writing an article, unless the Giants were still in the mix.
Every team will offer a 3 year contract, so the length of the contract is not a deciding factor
Every team will have a similar maximum dollar amount that they can offer in the base contract. Each teams 3 year contract will be for $1,575,000 ($435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017). The question here is "How much of the $1,575,000 will be guaranteed. The more that is guaranteed, the more likely of Collins interest. It would not surprise me if the winning bidder guarantees the entire amount.
Every team can offer TOTAL UDFA signing bonuses of $86,957. The Giants won't announce their UDFA signings before this Thursday, but we are hearing 4 or 5 players. I am speculating here, but perhaps the Giants could offer about $65,000, though I have no idea how much has been committed so far. Any of the 50-60 tryout players signed after the 3 day Giants tryout, will be happy to get an NFL contract and will not get a signing bonus.
Playing time could be crucial in Collins decision. UDFA players share in a year end pool of dollars called Performance Based Pay. UDFAs are not expected to get much playing time, but those that have, and have played a lot, have seen checks in excess of $350,000 in the first year.
Just wanted to clarify a few points relating to the Collins decision based on dollars.
that kind of contract is peanuts. We should guarantee the entire amount with the stipulation that he is not convicted of any involvement in the murder.
Opportunity to win a starting job. Playing with a guy who he called his Big Brother & whose family (Odell) was helping him decide whether or not to go Pro. (La'El told me that after an LSU Bowl game. We have an organization with a lot of connections to LSU & a lot of former players say it is the best organization in football. It has a background known for winning with a 2 time SB MVP & coach. He also saw from that same big Brother what a good year could do for a player in NY when it comes to making $$ off the field.
This sounds more like conjecture than anything else
1. His very strong relationship with Odell Beckham. Collins had many teammates at LSU, but he and Beckham were (are) extremely close
2. Lunda Wells. Lunda was at LSU when Collins was recruited, and was coaching the offensive line as an assistant for Collins first 18 months in college. I don't know of the strength of their relationship, but it can't hurt for Collins to be signing with the NFL team that currently has his old coach now coaching our O-Line
3. Guy Mistretta- successful high school players always keep in touch with their old high school coaches, and there is some legend to Mistretta, and his Dad who was the coach at Redemptorist before Guy. If you want to know a guy who is known statewide and closely follows Louisiana high school football, its Archie Manning. Manning and Mistretta (who is on his 2nd HS team after leaving Redemptorist after Collins graduated) know each other. I am certain that Archie had some very minor influence (can't say how much) in the drafting of Odell last year. I would almost bet that Archie and Mistretta have talked about the Collins situation over the past 10 days.
Perhaps I am being an optimist, but though we are reading about Rex and the Dolphin players trying to do what they can openly, I can't believe the Giants aren't doing the same, though much more under the radar.
Here's a news flash just in case you weren't watching in 2012, 2013 and 2014....we've had a very poor to mediocre at best O-Line. Therefore, NOBODY on this roster should even be penciled in as a starter. This is a GREAT opportunity for someone in Collins' current position.
We were 6-10 and 7-9 the past two seasons. If we had
jump for joy if we signed him, but I just can't see it from Collins' perspective.
You really can't see how signing with the Giants could be a good situation for Collins?
I can't say if it is the best situation for him because I don't know what other teams are looking at, but playing time in 2015 would be low on my priority list for the kid if I was advising him. I'd want him healthy and prepared for 2016 and 2017. I'd want him on a team that will have strong players around him in 2016 and 2017. That will maximize his value going for his next contract. What he did in 2015 won't matter going into the 2018 season. On top of that, I want him in a good organization.
This kid will get pretty much the same money no matter which team he goes to over the next 3 seasons. He can basically choose his spot. With all the information out there on teams and most of you think his number one priority should be guaranteed playing time in 2015? I certainly hope he has better people advising him than that.
Now, seeing what a bunch of idiotic keystone cops have been advising him thus far, you may be right and that is what they advise him. Doesn't make it good advice.
What is all this talk about guaranteeing a rookie a spot
Absolutely. I think fans underestimate those very elements : trust in the player that he demonstrates he knows his assignments, and will execute them with as few mistakes as possible. That's why Moore doesn't play as much as we'd like, same with Washington, and insert player here.
My take is that if Collins comes here he's going to play
So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
I'd like to see you support your claims of him coming up wrong 9.5 out of ten. Its probably the least you can do if you're going to try to undermine a man's professional credibility and therefore livelihood.
RE: My take is that if Collins comes here he's going to play
So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
I'd like to see you support your claims of him coming up wrong 9.5 out of ten. Its probably the least you can do if you're going to try to undermine a man's professional credibility and therefore livelihood.
radar - is this a little man love here -- defending a man's professional credibility and livelihood -- I'm gonna remind you of this -- I promise I will --- LoL
This is one of the most exciting draft developments ever but.....
Until this murder is solved, the kid can't be signed. It makes no difference if he can prove he didn't pull the trigger. Until the actual murderer is caught, the Rae Carruth, murder for hire scenario looms. Now if they do catch someone, and he is cleared, I would be on cloud nine if we could get this guy. I can't believe the post about no place for him. No place! Pugh stinks. I would cut him right now in exchange if we needed to, but we don't. Beatty stinks too. In fact, most of the holdovers are average to stink. We get this guy, we are in business. Big time.
Get him in let everyone compete
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So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
Could you imagine?
That's a GIANT wall.
or at least have a very good chance of winning a starting job.
If he came this year We'd have our top 7 lineman set and all are top talents.
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So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
Oh really ... You think my boss asks me who said that quote and I just make up an answer? Sounds like career suicide. I have a wife and daughter to support. Don't think that sounds prudent.
Thats because they are usually better than the rookie. If not, it makes zero sense to play an inferior player because of salary.
So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
Oh really ... You think my boss asks me who said that quote and I just make up an answer? Sounds like career suicide. I have a wife and daughter to support. Don't think that sounds prudent.
Very sensible response.
But where would he play? I don't know if I see him beating out Pugh or Schwartz. And they're not going to sit Schwartz while they're paying him the kind of money they are.
He should have a better chance than Flowers to beat out pugh. He is a nasty physical player like Flowers, but his technique is better. I mean his feet. I don't know jack about O-line play, but it only takes seconds to see on tape that Flowers initial step is like nothing I have seen before, and it seems to be obviously a bad thing. Now, our GMEN had him for a workout, so I assume he took to there coaching and they were encuraged that they can correct his technical issues.... There is a lot to like about him, I don't want to insult. The guy is like a jumbo sized heat seeking missle, strapped to a flying bus, wrapped in bacon. Reese called our 5th rnd FS calm in space. I would say the same about Flowers. He finds the crashing defenders, and he doesn't let the feints and twists fool him. In the second level he generally finds a man to block, and then obliterates him. I just like Collins' chances of succeeding in pass block situations better.
As long as we are talking about long shots....
He has to be aware of Beatty's contract situation. Why wouldn't he want (as others have said) a chance without pressure to learn for a few games and have the self confidence to start @ LT by year end or even in 2016. (Even without injuries, having one extra starter can't be bad. Can't have too many DEs, oops, OLs.)
Its unknown how many are "in", but I can't imagine Jordan writing an article, unless the Giants were still in the mix.
Every team will offer a 3 year contract, so the length of the contract is not a deciding factor
Every team will have a similar maximum dollar amount that they can offer in the base contract. Each teams 3 year contract will be for $1,575,000 ($435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017). The question here is "How much of the $1,575,000 will be guaranteed. The more that is guaranteed, the more likely of Collins interest. It would not surprise me if the winning bidder guarantees the entire amount.
Every team can offer TOTAL UDFA signing bonuses of $86,957. The Giants won't announce their UDFA signings before this Thursday, but we are hearing 4 or 5 players. I am speculating here, but perhaps the Giants could offer about $65,000, though I have no idea how much has been committed so far. Any of the 50-60 tryout players signed after the 3 day Giants tryout, will be happy to get an NFL contract and will not get a signing bonus.
Playing time could be crucial in Collins decision. UDFA players share in a year end pool of dollars called Performance Based Pay. UDFAs are not expected to get much playing time, but those that have, and have played a lot, have seen checks in excess of $350,000 in the first year.
Just wanted to clarify a few points relating to the Collins decision based on dollars.
As Yankee said, he's got to play to get more money.
Right now, here is what we know of that $86,957 pie.
TE Matt LaCosse (Illinois) ‐ $5,000 signing bonus + $5,000 base salary guarantee
DE Brad Harrah (Cincinnati) ‐ $5,000 signing bonus
Opportunity to win a starting job. Playing with a guy who he called his Big Brother & whose family (Odell) was helping him decide whether or not to go Pro. (La'El told me that after an LSU Bowl game. We have an organization with a lot of connections to LSU & a lot of former players say it is the best organization in football. It has a background known for winning with a 2 time SB MVP & coach. He also saw from that same big Brother what a good year could do for a player in NY when it comes to making $$ off the field.
1. His very strong relationship with Odell Beckham. Collins had many teammates at LSU, but he and Beckham were (are) extremely close
2. Lunda Wells. Lunda was at LSU when Collins was recruited, and was coaching the offensive line as an assistant for Collins first 18 months in college. I don't know of the strength of their relationship, but it can't hurt for Collins to be signing with the NFL team that currently has his old coach now coaching our O-Line
3. Guy Mistretta- successful high school players always keep in touch with their old high school coaches, and there is some legend to Mistretta, and his Dad who was the coach at Redemptorist before Guy. If you want to know a guy who is known statewide and closely follows Louisiana high school football, its Archie Manning. Manning and Mistretta (who is on his 2nd HS team after leaving Redemptorist after Collins graduated) know each other. I am certain that Archie had some very minor influence (can't say how much) in the drafting of Odell last year. I would almost bet that Archie and Mistretta have talked about the Collins situation over the past 10 days.
Perhaps I am being an optimist, but though we are reading about Rex and the Dolphin players trying to do what they can openly, I can't believe the Giants aren't doing the same, though much more under the radar.
They don't even guarantee any of the first round picks a starting spot when they sign them.
I can't say if it is the best situation for him because I don't know what other teams are looking at, but playing time in 2015 would be low on my priority list for the kid if I was advising him. I'd want him healthy and prepared for 2016 and 2017. I'd want him on a team that will have strong players around him in 2016 and 2017. That will maximize his value going for his next contract. What he did in 2015 won't matter going into the 2018 season. On top of that, I want him in a good organization.
This kid will get pretty much the same money no matter which team he goes to over the next 3 seasons. He can basically choose his spot. With all the information out there on teams and most of you think his number one priority should be guaranteed playing time in 2015? I certainly hope he has better people advising him than that.
Now, seeing what a bunch of idiotic keystone cops have been advising him thus far, you may be right and that is what they advise him. Doesn't make it good advice.
And, that wasn't the only point I was making, the other was that the veteran does tend to be either the better player or the lesser of two evils.
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So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
I'd like to see you support your claims of him coming up wrong 9.5 out of ten. Its probably the least you can do if you're going to try to undermine a man's professional credibility and therefore livelihood.
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So you're calling him a lair. Do you have any basis for that or is it just libel?
Yeah Chris, my source says he's lying. See how easy that is? Don't be so nave when the media preaches sources and comes up short 9.5 out of 10 times.
I'd like to see you support your claims of him coming up wrong 9.5 out of ten. Its probably the least you can do if you're going to try to undermine a man's professional credibility and therefore livelihood.
radar - is this a little man love here -- defending a man's professional credibility and livelihood -- I'm gonna remind you of this -- I promise I will --- LoL