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David Diehl this morning-no question of best NY team

joeinpa : 5/6/2015 9:54 am
He believes it to be the Jets.

First: I really pay little attention to what most talking heads say about any team, especially the ones I root for.
because I have found that 9 times out of 10 they know less about my team than I do, (David Diehl would of course be part of the 10%).

Secondly: Criticism about my team does not bother me, because
I often am the biggest critic.

However, since I only caught the end of his comments and missed his rationale I was curious how he made this determination.

The Jets were equally bad as the Giants last year, and they still have Geno Smith as their qb.

Did anyone hear his comments and rationale, just curious.
They don't have a Qb..  
Big Blue '56 : 5/6/2015 9:57 am : link
At least the 2000 Ravens had Dilfer
after Ken O'brien or before?  
blapre74 : 5/6/2015 10:00 am : link
Doh! He must have been Jesting? Any team with Geno Smith as qb must be a joke. No, I didn't hear his comments, but they have one of the best defenses, but no qb. I give up. ;)
Diehl  
BIG FRED 1973 : 5/6/2015 10:00 am : link
was also saying the giants would take an olineman with their First round pick in the 2015 draft and as soon as he was put on the spot by papa he changed to Danny Shelton lol .I thought it was funny stuff
With the addition of Williams they may have 3 bona fide pro bowlers  
BlueLou : 5/6/2015 10:01 am : link
on their DL, but man that's dissing Eli some.

And OBJ. Would love to hear his rationale.
Interesting. So does he finally admit that defenses matter more than  
Mason : 5/6/2015 10:01 am : link
offenses and that QBs are overrated? Or is he making a statement about the coaching staff?

Aha...  
BlueLou : 5/6/2015 10:02 am : link
perhaps the comment was tongue in cheek?
Yes Geno Smith is their QB  
Mike in NY : 5/6/2015 10:03 am : link
But depending on Cruz's health I am not sure OBJ/Randle are better than Marshall/Decker although OBJ is the best of the group. Jets also have a far superior D with a stronger DL and Revis at CB. The Jets are not going to need to score as much as the Giants to win games
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arcarsenal : 5/6/2015 10:04 am : link
The Jets will have a top 3 defense this year. They basically have everything but the QB.. which is obviously the worst spot to have a question mark.

It's hard to tell. The Giants and Jets should be pretty close in record this year.
Well,  
Lionhart28 : 5/6/2015 10:05 am : link
we'll find out on December 6th, won't we?
what  
area junc : 5/6/2015 10:07 am : link
a dumbass!
RE: .  
Mason : 5/6/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12273360 arcarsenal said:
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The Jets will have a top 3 defense this year. They basically have everything but the QB.. which is obviously the worst spot to have a question mark.

It's hard to tell. The Giants and Jets should be pretty close in record this year.


Jets had a top defense for years. And not to long ago an average offense. Does that mean he thought the Jets were a better team even when he was a Giant?
The Jets aren't better than the Giants.  
Curtis in VA : 5/6/2015 10:08 am : link
Thats not homerism. They just aren't. If the two teams played each other right now, the Giants would win.

the jets  
area junc : 5/6/2015 10:08 am : link
*might* have a very good defense this year. but they also waved goodbye to rex ryan who, like him or not, might be the best defensive coach in the league. i wouldn't assume they will keep the same pace without him
RE: the jets  
arcarsenal : 5/6/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12273373 area junc said:
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*might* have a very good defense this year. but they also waved goodbye to rex ryan who, like him or not, might be the best defensive coach in the league. i wouldn't assume they will keep the same pace without him


Todd Bowles has a pretty good idea about how to coach defense. I don't think they're going to miss a beat.
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arcarsenal : 5/6/2015 10:11 am : link
In comment 12273370 Mason said:
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In comment 12273360 arcarsenal said:


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The Jets will have a top 3 defense this year. They basically have everything but the QB.. which is obviously the worst spot to have a question mark.

It's hard to tell. The Giants and Jets should be pretty close in record this year.



Jets had a top defense for years. And not to long ago an average offense. Does that mean he thought the Jets were a better team even when he was a Giant?


The Jets were better than the Giants in 2009 and had a better year in 2010.

It's not like they haven't been better than us in decades. Both teams have been mostly shitty the last few years so there's not much to go by since.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/6/2015 10:11 am : link
I think the Giants have a higher potential 'peak' than the Jets. I.E., I think the Giants can make the playoffs while I'd be surprised if the Jets do - barring rapid development from Smith.
I hope this is the new "honest" color commentator DD  
Mason : 5/6/2015 10:12 am : link
because the homer DD on Fox was awful.
I think the Giants  
Metnut : 5/6/2015 10:12 am : link
are better but thinking the Jets could be the better of the two teams isn't an unreasonable opinion. Neither team has been good the past two years.
Jets have some  
PEEJ : 5/6/2015 10:14 am : link
age creeping up on their roster. OL, LB, even CB all depending on players 30 years or older.
when Strahan moved over to the media  
Matt in SGS : 5/6/2015 10:15 am : link
side after he retired, he said that there were times he missed his leadership role with the team and wanted to motivate them. So there were times he said things in the press against the Giants that he knew would fire them up in the locker room. Diehl is constantly around the Giants offices. I wouldn't be shocked if he were doing a little of the same here.
sports media is like being indoctrinated into a secret society  
mattlawson : 5/6/2015 10:18 am : link
you have to commit a crime to someone close to you as to prove you belong in the club.
Well get an opportunity to judge  
old man : 5/6/2015 10:18 am : link
for ourselves 2X this year.
He may be right  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/6/2015 10:20 am : link
We've gotten worse each of the last three years. We had a top 10 pick in the draft for the first time in 11 years. At the end of the past season we had so many holes on this roster it was hard to know where to start. So yeah we brought Spags back, we made some minor FA changes, we'll have to wait and see how this year's draft class performs. But at the end of the season we were a very bad team.
The Jests might be slightly better,  
blapre74 : 5/6/2015 10:27 am : link
but the Gmen don't wear snot green shirts, do they? come on, Geno Smith? really, is this worth worrying about? And they play in the AFC least. :)
I definitely not a Jets fan  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/6/2015 10:29 am : link
But I think they could be pretty good this year. Potentially exceptional defense, good defensive coach (better than Rex Ryan in my judgment) and a good GM. They have some offensive weapons now. The big and obvious question is at QB. Is that a limitation they can play around or is it crippling? That is what they will have to answer this season.
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arcarsenal : 5/6/2015 10:30 am : link
It's just one of those things he probably said to "prove" he's not partial or biased towards the team he played for. Everyone on the planet opened this thread and expected it to say that he thought the Giants were the better team.. he's just going against the grain on purpose here.

This is sort of a rite of passage from athlete to media in a way.

I don't agree with him that there's "no question" but I wouldn't be stunned if the Jets were slightly better. Eli Manning over Geno Smith is a massive advantage in the Giants' favor though.
Bold Ruler, even a less biased individual  
barens : 5/6/2015 10:31 am : link
would recognize that the Jets had the worse record last year, and they still have some very questionable options on offense.

They still have a long way to go offensively to convince me that they are the better team.
RE: sports media is like being indoctrinated into a secret society  
Mason : 5/6/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12273396 mattlawson said:
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you have to commit a crime to someone close to you as to prove you belong in the club.


Harrison - is sometimes the biggest Pats homer or Pats hater. So there is some truth to it.
How can he say the Jets are better?  
Jay on the Island : 5/6/2015 10:44 am : link
They have one of the worst starting QB's in the league. Also their offensive line is ancient which he should be the first to understand that. Ferguson is 32, Mangold 31, Colon 32 and Giacomini is 30. They did bring in Brandon Marshall but he has lost a step and he will likely become angry with Geno when he doesn't get the ball like he was used to with Cutler.
the Jets have a very interesting defense  
djm : 5/6/2015 10:51 am : link
And I think the coach is a good fit. But their offense is overrated based on all the praise over their WRs. MArshall is not a game breaking over the top WR and Decker is really just a solid WR but another guy who won't take the top off.

The RBs are average and the OL while still solid is on the way down, not on the way up.

And then you have GEno Smith. The Jets are solid, but they will need to play error free near perfect football when they play the good teams with good QBs. I think they are an 8-9 win team--10 if everything breaks right.

Giants are more boom or bust. They have the QB, WRs and the OL is better but may need to time to band together. However, in addtion to the QB and passing game in general, the Giants have something on offense the Jets do not have and that's continuity. Giants D has less question marks than people think in my view. IT won't be great but it should be average at worst.

I'd rather own the Giants right now even if you told me the Jets would win more games in 2015.
RE: RE: the jets  
OC2.0 : 5/6/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12273377 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12273373 area junc said:


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*might* have a very good defense this year. but they also waved goodbye to rex ryan who, like him or not, might be the best defensive coach in the league. i wouldn't assume they will keep the same pace without him



Todd Bowles has a pretty good idea about how to coach defense. I don't think they're going to miss a beat.


Yup
the jets might lose every game this year  
YorkAveGiant : 5/6/2015 11:00 am : link
3-0
I was just going to say the same thing.  
Crispino : 5/6/2015 11:36 am : link
They better hope they win a bunch of 10-7 games.
The Jets may have a pretty good year  
SomeFan : 5/6/2015 11:40 am : link
I like their new HC and think he will be successful. Plus, they seem to have had a good draft. In addition, Geno Smith throws a pretty good ball. Albeit, he needs to cut down on the goofy mistakes and try to play more conservatively, i.e., try to play a little more like Russell Wilson and a little less like Tony Romo.
The jets  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/6/2015 12:24 pm : link
have a higher floor and a lower ceiling.
he might be right  
eli4life : 5/6/2015 12:36 pm : link
But they still have woody to screw it all up
GOOD!  
ZogZerg : 5/6/2015 12:48 pm : link
I was worried he was going to say how good this Giants team was going to be.
didn't the Jets add Fitzpatrick?  
jcp56 : 5/6/2015 1:00 pm : link
Not that he is anything great, but he might start over Geno. I think Geno throws a nice ball, but is he committed to putting in the necessary time.

Now that blowhard Rex is gone, I will probably pull for the Jets except when it's not in the Giant's interest.
No team without a QB is ever better than a team with a QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/6/2015 1:01 pm : link
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RE: No team without a QB is ever better than a team with a QB  
arcarsenal : 5/6/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12273847 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The 2014 Arizona Cardinals disagree.
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ColHowPepper : 5/6/2015 1:24 pm : link
djm - but you refrained from comment on our d; I think how well or poorly Giants' d plays is squarely in your boom or bust outlook, more question marks going into FA and the draft than on O and still more questions after the draft and FA so far...

SomeFan - agree, though think your assessment of the QB is a bit generous; if lightbulbs have not gone off in his head during and after his second season, time to cut bait, imo, and Jets' pick of the QB in 4th could be really interesting
Ten Ton Hammer  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/6/2015 3:51 pm : link
Stupidity. There were 23 teams who finished higher than the Giants last year. Are you saying all 23 teams have a better qb than the Giants?

RE: He may be right  
BSIMatt : 5/6/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12273403 Bold Ruler said:
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We've gotten worse each of the last three years. We had a top 10 pick in the draft for the first time in 11 years. But at the end of the season we were a very bad team.


The Giants won 3 of their last 4 games, and in their last 7 games the 4 losses were all by 8 points or less.

I get the whole "you are what you're record says you are" mantra, but I don't in any way feel like the 2014 Giants were a worse team than the 2013 edition. The 2013 Giants were absolutely pathetic, and won some games against some teams that trotted out quarterbacks who rarely if ever see game action. 2014 and all of the 6 wins felt like an improvement over 2013, which goes to show how truly far the Giants had fallen 2 years ago.

As bad as the Giants were, once Beckham went on his tear the team seemed competitive overall. I don't ever feel good about walking away with a loss, but that second Philly loss felt like night and day improvement for the Giants offense(WRs/Olnie in particular) over the first Philly game. There was no question the offense made huge strides in 2014, it was the defense which dropped off a cliff. The reality is that Giants are not a deep enough roster to expect to remain competitive while sustaining the number of injuries they've sustained the past two seasons. 91 games lost to starters a season ago, 4 games lost by 8 points or less. Yes injuries are part of the game, but that many injuries to an already thin roster is a recipe for a 6-10 season.
aside from QB and Beckham  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2015 8:47 pm : link
the Jets have a better overall roster. They will be in every game with that D. But I don't think they can really win with Geno Smith
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