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Did Army miscalculate support for Jade Helm 15?

Great White Ghost : 5/6/2015 10:52 pm
The massive "Training excercise" to be conducted in 12 states,and involve special forces operators infiltraing local neighborhoods , including "Role players" as terrorists, disgruntled deranged armed vets, drug dealers, illegal aliens, "simulated" mass roundups and detentions scheduled between July 15th and Sept 15th to include special forces from all branches of the service, Marine corp, Army, State, local and federal law enforcement ,homeland security ,FEMA , FBI, CIA, DEA etc , seems to be losing support in the one sector of the Public they were sure would accept it, Texas. Increasingly local authorities are questioning whether they can opt out.It's just interesting the normal media outlets are silent.
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rut17 : 5/7/2015 9:18 pm : link
Salty Meats has been banned. Let's make this a great day and ban Great White Power as well.
You've been banned once for being  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/7/2015 9:19 pm : link
A homophobic piece of dung, your true colors will show through again.

I'm late. Are you out of tinfoil caps?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2015 9:19 pm : link
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GWG  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:26 pm : link
Think a minute. Its not the states. There are places in the USA and Canada which are truly strategic and economically essential....not symbolic like Washington DC or the WTC. A really smart and well done terror attack and its aftermath would need all of the agencies named

For example: The Houston Ship Channel is fifty miles of back to back four miles deep on both sides of interconnected refineries and chemical plants. 14 of our 20 top refineries are there. nearly 65% of the global output of the chemicals used to purify water are made there. 55% of the global market ingredients used to make adhesives are made there. On and on.

Nuclear plant attacks require coordination of all those agencies

St James Bay generators and transmission centers are 70% of Canadas and much of the East Coasts electrical output

Each day two 200 car trains leave the Powder Ridge Coal depot in Wyoming and take a 24 hour trip down a great engineering feat...a 2% grade track from Powder Ridge Wyoming to Atlanta. Any quarter mile less than 2% and the locomotives pulling that tonnage can not pull the tonnage. Any higher than 2% and the train derails from unstoppable speed the coal cars build up behind the locomotives. Any day the two trains do not make it...blizzard, storm, locomotive breakdown and 25 states do not have electricity the next day. What happens if there is a line break?

What happens if a dike on the Mississippi gives way anywhere south of St Louis?

What happens to food distribution if the bridges where route 40 crosses the Mississippi are bombed?

What happens if the Kansas control center for the Burlington Northern is attacked?

What if hackers can shut down the Chicago Airport for a week?

What happens if the cancer lab formulas to produce chemo are hacked and the plants must be mothballed?

What happens is Haliburton drill rig bit factory is wrecked?

90% of all rail car ball bearngs are made in two places.

Take out the two major water channels to LA?

A tanker spills in the Long Beach Port and Asia and the US economies are imperiled

If our Special Forces can take out any of the same kinds of structures elsewhere in the world could the same be done here?

Responding before or after would require coordination ( the actual thing being tested to insure intraagency coordination is better than 9/11).

All unlikely events. But far more likely to be the point of practice than any coup or rebellion.



even more diabolically demonic plots exist  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:32 pm : link
What if 16 football stadiums are attached with grass killing chemicals on a Wednesday? No football on Sunday. Think of the devastation to sales of Frito Lay products ?
one helicopter  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:39 pm : link
attacks the Kardashian House and the subsequent loss of magazine sales wrecks the paper and lumber industry and lays off thousands in dozens of American Communities?

One plane with Roundup flies down the Willamette Valley the week before harvest and asaparagus prices triple in NYC resturants? Subsequent reduction in the influx of Europeans into hotels for Christmas Shopping will leave hundreds of taxi driver children without Holiday presents and the desperate parents will be forced to strip their homes of copper pipes and ruin building material pricing throughout the following spring
One Senator...  
manh george : 5/7/2015 9:43 pm : link
with a long and smelly series of farts, and legislative gridlock extends for weeks. What if that happened just as we were reaching a debt ceiling deadline?
there are two plants in Kentucky  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:45 pm : link
which make a very high percentage of the tents for the Army. a coordinated attack emanating from the Hertz counter at the Evanville Airport leaves our soldiers shivering New Years Eve and the Canadians sweep across the border at night. Then they force us to say "eh"

Now that's a threat I want FEMA and the Green Berets working on right now.
One well dressed woman  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:48 pm : link
sneaks past security in a NYC skyscraper and enters an office. silence. then furious typing as a man mutters...yes...of yes...more...more.

A week later the Muni Market craters
RE: RE: And another thing...  
RC02XX : 5/7/2015 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12276654 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 12276171 RC02XX said:


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for a grown adult, you argue like a 10 year old. If you don't get your way and are confronted with the truth, you lose your cool and throw a tantrum. When 99% of the people responding to your OP are laughing at you, you should look in the mirror to see the imbecile instead of calling everyone else that. But hey, continue with your logic. It's served you very well in all discussions you've been involved in.

Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole, and you start off with your insults in every thread.Every one. Your just a lying sack of shit.How about you fuck off instead, PLC pogue. I'm not going anywhere.


Awwww...did I hurt your little feelings? Once again, for a grown adult, you throw a tantrum like a child when you're told just how wrong you are. And as a proud graduate of the Marine Infantry Officer Course (hey, you didn't realize that I was an infantry officer, huh?), I'll take your angry insults with pride. But I'm not a PLC guy, so I will have to correct you on that one at least.
Manh  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 9:51 pm : link
that was a compliment.

knew you would like it as a fan of chaos theory
RE: RE: can I get a dinner before we start discussing rimjobs?  
RC02XX : 5/7/2015 9:53 pm : link
In comment 12276645 Great White Ghost said:
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Maybe some place fancy...Olive Garden perhaps?

So now you're pretending he has to talk pretty to you first?


Of course...we aren't just some savages. We like to be wined and dined. Man...and we thought you knew these things.
RE: GWG  
Great White Ghost : 5/7/2015 10:04 pm : link
In comment 12276686 Bill2 said:
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Think a minute. Its not the states. There are places in the USA and Canada which are truly strategic and economically essential....not symbolic like Washington DC or the WTC. A really smart and well done terror attack and its aftermath would need all of the agencies named

For example: The Houston Ship Channel is fifty miles of back to back four miles deep on both sides of interconnected refineries and chemical plants. 14 of our 20 top refineries are there. nearly 65% of the global output of the chemicals used to purify water are made there. 55% of the global market ingredients used to make adhesives are made there. On and on.

Nuclear plant attacks require coordination of all those agencies

St James Bay generators and transmission centers are 70% of Canadas and much of the East Coasts electrical output

Each day two 200 car trains leave the Powder Ridge Coal depot in Wyoming and take a 24 hour trip down a great engineering feat...a 2% grade track from Powder Ridge Wyoming to Atlanta. Any quarter mile less than 2% and the locomotives pulling that tonnage can not pull the tonnage. Any higher than 2% and the train derails from unstoppable speed the coal cars build up behind the locomotives. Any day the two trains do not make it...blizzard, storm, locomotive breakdown and 25 states do not have electricity the next day. What happens if there is a line break?

What happens if a dike on the Mississippi gives way anywhere south of St Louis?

What happens to food distribution if the bridges where route 40 crosses the Mississippi are bombed?

What happens if the Kansas control center for the Burlington Northern is attacked?

What if hackers can shut down the Chicago Airport for a week?

What happens if the cancer lab formulas to produce chemo are hacked and the plants must be mothballed?

What happens is Haliburton drill rig bit factory is wrecked?

90% of all rail car ball bearngs are made in two places.

Take out the two major water channels to LA?

A tanker spills in the Long Beach Port and Asia and the US economies are imperiled

If our Special Forces can take out any of the same kinds of structures elsewhere in the world could the same be done here?

Responding before or after would require coordination ( the actual thing being tested to insure intraagency coordination is better than 9/11).

All unlikely events. But far more likely to be the point of practice than any coup or rebellion.


Thank you for your concern bill, but I don't beleive I speculated about a coup or a rebellion.I didn't say much at all. What I did say, was 1) It is a clear violation of the posse comitatus act, and is practice for using the military in a law enforcement role. and 2)It's being done where it's being done because it's practice for events on US soil, not overseas. They arent simulating an overseas environment, they aren't trying to.They are praxticing using the military and law enforcement working together in US communities under a variety of scenarios. I didn't mention what those scenarios might be.Nor did I speculate of what they might be. I did, and I do, think it's somethign that people should discuss. So I put up the thread, and basically left it alone, only to come back and find a monkey shit fight. No matter, I'm a big boy,not a problem. I put the thread up for one reason, and one reason only, to raise some awareness of it and stimulate a discussion.Thread has a lot of hits and views. Most of them shitting on yours truly.I don't like it, but I'm not that concerned. I accomplished what I wanted with the thread, which was simply to raise awareness of it.I'm getting called a nutjob now, even though i really didnt say much, but I'm willing to bet a lot of people will be talking about it over the summer,and a lot of people who arent aware of it will be opposed to it for a variety of reasons,and they won't all be dismissed out of hand, guaranteed some people here will have family members who arent comfortable with it, especially when someones mother or aunt complains about how the noise kept them up all night. Wonder if your gonna tell them they are fucking paranoid or insane.

You should haveheard the shitstorm down here when they conducted their part of it down here. Lot of noise, lot of old ladies bitching, people uncomfortable with the videos of lines of people being rounded up and then helicopters making a fucking racket all night long while people are flown hither and yon.In downtown ft lauderdale, in the middle of the night for 4 days in a row.In the business district.Few were pleased.

If a college professor gave an assignment as to why we shouild be opposed to this, I'd bet he get a shitload of papers with a shitload of different reasons. I thought, at the every least, it should be discussed.

AS a technicality, I didn't say I was opposed to it. I made 2 statements, I stand by them. For all you know I think it's a great idea, and we should use US troops and special forces working with law enforcement on a regular basis.Noone asked.

The point is though, either way it merits awareness and discussion. I don't really give a shit if I'm the one it get's discussed with.
GWG  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 10:15 pm : link
and my serious examples were meant as examples where using military grade resources to limit damage to the US way of life instead of local capabilities is a response the vast majority would find re assuring.

My frivolous examples were just frivolous. I thought the thread was "over" and I was not interfering with discussion
btw  
Bill2 : 5/7/2015 10:19 pm : link
the commercial airports of west texas and New Mexico are loaded with Black Hawks for the last couple of weeks
RE: RE: GWG  
sphinx : 5/7/2015 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12276727 Great White Ghost said:
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The point is though, either way it merits awareness and discussion.

No, it doesn't.

RE: btw  
Great White Ghost : 5/7/2015 10:29 pm : link
In comment 12276742 Bill2 said:
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the commercial airports of west texas and New Mexico are loaded with Black Hawks for the last couple of weeks
They were here a couple of weeks ago, was the week before easter I think they did the south florida portion of it.Airport was loaded with military craft for about a week, 10 days, then they split. At the height of it though they had fighters up, you could see them early in the morning for a few days.Plenty noisy.
Thanks Bill!  
okiegiant : 5/7/2015 11:46 pm : link
You gave me a good laugh this evening!
RE: I'm late. Are you out of tinfoil caps?  
Great White Ghost : 5/8/2015 12:26 am : link
In comment 12276676 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Really? We want to do this? I've made it a point to try and treat with you respectfully, regardless of anything else.If we're done, let me know.
RE: RE: RE: And another thing...  
Great White Ghost : 5/8/2015 12:33 am : link
In comment 12276708 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12276171 RC02XX said:


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for a grown adult, you argue like a 10 year old. If you don't get your way and are confronted with the truth, you lose your cool and throw a tantrum. When 99% of the people responding to your OP are laughing at you, you should look in the mirror to see the imbecile instead of calling everyone else that. But hey, continue with your logic. It's served you very well in all discussions you've been involved in.

Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole, and you start off with your insults in every thread.Every one. Your just a lying sack of shit.How about you fuck off instead, PLC pogue. I'm not going anywhere.



Awwww...did I hurt your little feelings? Once again, for a grown adult, you throw a tantrum like a child when you're told just how wrong you are. And as a proud graduate of the Marine Infantry Officer Course (hey, you didn't realize that I was an infantry officer, huh?), I'll take your angry insults with pride. But I'm not a PLC guy, so I will have to correct you on that one at least.
If I'm a racist homophobe, you're a PLC pogue.Deal with it.And yeah i knew you were infantry, schmuck. All the schmuck officers are in the infantry.I'd tell you a story, but I don't like you.I know exactly the kind of officer you are.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And another thing...  
Chris in Philly : 5/8/2015 12:42 am : link
In comment 12276810 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 12276654 Great White Ghost said:


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In comment 12276171 RC02XX said:


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for a grown adult, you argue like a 10 year old. If you don't get your way and are confronted with the truth, you lose your cool and throw a tantrum. When 99% of the people responding to your OP are laughing at you, you should look in the mirror to see the imbecile instead of calling everyone else that. But hey, continue with your logic. It's served you very well in all discussions you've been involved in.

Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole, and you start off with your insults in every thread.Every one. Your just a lying sack of shit.How about you fuck off instead, PLC pogue. I'm not going anywhere.



Awwww...did I hurt your little feelings? Once again, for a grown adult, you throw a tantrum like a child when you're told just how wrong you are. And as a proud graduate of the Marine Infantry Officer Course (hey, you didn't realize that I was an infantry officer, huh?), I'll take your angry insults with pride. But I'm not a PLC guy, so I will have to correct you on that one at least.

If I'm a racist homophobe, you're a PLC pogue.Deal with it.And yeah i knew you were infantry, schmuck. All the schmuck officers are in the infantry.I'd tell you a story, but I don't like you.I know exactly the kind of officer you are.


The kind of officer that would lead a mission to take over Albuquerque. Am I right? I know for a fact he hates sand art...
Instead of an art festival  
Great White Ghost : 5/8/2015 1:24 am : link
try a nice restaurant on your next date. I hear the olive garden is very popular.
Love it  
JerryNYG : 5/8/2015 6:27 am : link
This thread is so 'Murica it swells my heart with pride.
Does anyone remember Urban Warrior, San Francisco, 1999?  
Klaatu : 5/8/2015 6:44 am : link
The left went nuts, they even held a sit-in in front of Jerry Brown's office (then the mayor of Oakland). Said pretty much the same things being said about Jade Helm.

Good times.
RE: Does anyone remember Urban Warrior, San Francisco, 1999?  
Jon : 5/8/2015 7:23 am : link
In comment 12276835 Klaatu said:
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The left went nuts, they even held a sit-in in front of Jerry Brown's office (then the mayor of Oakland). Said pretty much the same things being said about Jade Helm.

Good times.



Yes! In fact, my squadron was part of it!
Holy shit!  
River Mike : 5/8/2015 7:43 am : link
How did I completely miss this thread?

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The point is though, either way it merits awareness and discussion.


I think what merits awareness and discussion is why the media never reported on the secret government program decades ago when all those mental hospitals were closed and all the occupants were sent to Texas. And how does all this relate to Jerry Jones?
RE: RE: RE: RE: And another thing...  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 7:54 am : link
In comment 12276810 Great White Ghost said:
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If I'm a racist homophobe, you're a PLC pogue.Deal with it.And yeah i knew you were infantry, schmuck. All the schmuck officers are in the infantry.I'd tell you a story, but I don't like you.I know exactly the kind of officer you are.


Ah...now all infantry officers as well as pogue officers schmucks? We just can't win with you, huh? Too bad not all of us could have had you as a member of our platoons to set us all straight and to warn us of the dangers all around us.

And yes, it goes without saying that based on your posting history and the reason why you were previously banned, I would definitely claim that you are a racist homophobe. But again, I didn't attend PLC and am not a pogue, so you still have those facts wrong.

By the way, I love being in your head to the point that you lose your shit whenever you address me. That really warms my heart.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And another thing...  
Great White Ghost : 5/8/2015 8:54 am : link
In comment 12276866 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12276810 Great White Ghost said:


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If I'm a racist homophobe, you're a PLC pogue.Deal with it.And yeah i knew you were infantry, schmuck. All the schmuck officers are in the infantry.I'd tell you a story, but I don't like you.I know exactly the kind of officer you are.



Ah...now all infantry officers as well as pogue officers schmucks? We just can't win with you, huh? Too bad not all of us could have had you as a member of our platoons to set us all straight and to warn us of the dangers all around us.

And yes, it goes without saying that based on your posting history and the reason why you were previously banned, I would definitely claim that you are a racist homophobe. But again, I didn't attend PLC and am not a pogue, so you still have those facts wrong.

By the way, I love being in your head to the point that you lose your shit whenever you address me. That really warms my heart.
whatever you said, PLC pogue.
newly discolvered highly classified bi-colored map detail  
idiotsavant : 5/8/2015 8:56 am : link
shows the possible break down of armored divisions in the areas deemed not acceptable to new social norms:




and here, from SOTI  
idiotsavant : 5/8/2015 8:59 am : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And another thing...  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12276942 Great White Ghost said:
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whatever you said, PLC pogue.


+1000000000000

Haha...I love it.

GWG  
JOrthman : 5/8/2015 9:16 am : link
It is not a violation of Posse Comitatus. Federal troops can and do assist local authorities. It is part of the National Defense Plan. What U.S. Troops can't do is enforce law on American Citizens. The military provides resources and aid to civil authorities all the time during Law Enforcement missions and/or emergencies.
I never realized Jersey was such a vast and diverse land!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2015 9:21 am : link
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This needs to be a new BBI Meme:  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 9:40 am : link
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Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole, and you start off with your insults in every thread.Every one. Your just a lying sack of shit.How about you fuck off instead, PLC pogue. I'm not going anywhere.


The most perfect specimen of demented outrage.

It could be abbreviated to:

"Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole."
schnitz  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 9:41 am : link
it's you're, not your.

just saying.
RE: schnitz  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 9:44 am : link
In comment 12277032 MadPlaid said:
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it's you're, not your.

just saying.


Don't correct your older sister! You want to get slapped? Man, talk about a man with a death wish!
I'll take my chances  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 9:50 am : link
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Plaid's not correcting me. It was a direct quote of GWG's meltdown  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 9:51 am : link
Duhhhhh, the "your" should be "you're" but not in the meme.

The misspelling adds to its pristine beauty. It's the frosting on the demented logic cake.
Now, anytime one BBIer in the process of criticizing another  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 9:53 am : link
commits the very offense complained of, the appropriate response must be:

"Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole."
hmmmmm  
Greg from LI : 5/8/2015 9:54 am : link
On the one hand, he's a dimwitted loon. On the other hand, he does hate officers.....I'm so conflicted! :(
By the way, MadPlaid,  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 9:56 am : link
"Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole."

Just sayin. =;-P
RE: Plaid's not correcting me. It was a direct quote of GWG's meltdown  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12277068 schnitzie said:
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Duhhhhh, the "your" should be "you're" but not in the meme.

The misspelling adds to its pristine beauty. It's the frosting on the demented logic cake.


See, Mad? Even now your sister is looking out for you. You owe her a nice Sunday brunch, bro...:)

And yes, I agree. It's a nice touch...it gives it a certain je ne sais quoi quality to it...
Poor Bill2 now has a serious case of heartburn  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 10:00 am : link
because GWG actually took his first set of examples as confirmation of his batshit crazy conspiracy theory.

=:-(
RE: Plaid's not correcting me. It was a direct quote of GWG's meltdown  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:01 am : link
In comment 12277068 schnitzie said:
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Duhhhhh, the "your" should be "you're" but not in the meme.

The misspelling adds to its pristine beauty. It's the frosting on the demented logic cake.

Ooh! I get it now. You weren't phuquing up the phrase. It was artistic license. Very nice. My apologies.
by the way  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:04 am : link
what the heck is a PLC Pogue? Doesn't sound like a good insult to me. Then again, I'm a lowly civilian.
LOOK! LOOK! The Marine is SPEAKING FRENCH!!!  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 10:06 am : link
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It's a nice touch...it gives it a certain je ne sais quoi quality to it...


There it is! I knew it!

YOU PHUQUING COMMIE PINKO DIRTY HIPPIE BASTARD!!!
The backtracking is a sight to behold. I'm impressed.  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 10:07 am : link
While technically he didn't type anything about a coup or takeover, it's obvious the intent of his posts is that we should be worried because the military is practicing for events on home soil. He types as much during the glorious backtrack.

When it's pointed out that practicing for events on American soil is a good thing (preparing for many types of terrorist events) he thanks the poster for pointing it out and then says it's something that should be talked about.

I guess that we should be talking about it to celebrate their preparation? Why else should we talk about it since evidently it isn't about marshal law or any sort of takeover? Of course I don't understand the OP unless he meant it to mock the idiots in Texas for misunderstanding the intent of the exercises? And I guess I'm still not sure why he's pointing out it's an illegal activity(incorrectly), even though it's clear that he wants us to talk about what a great job the military is doing?

So, thanks for pointing out the great job the military is doing in terms of preparedness for attacks on our infrastructure, GWG! We should all talk and celebrate that!



RE: hmmmmm  
Wuphat : 5/8/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12277075 Greg from LI said:
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On the one hand, he's a dimwitted loon. On the other hand, he does hate officers.....I'm so conflicted! :(


Werd
RE: by the way  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12277113 MadPlaid said:
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what the heck is a PLC Pogue? Doesn't sound like a good insult to me. Then again, I'm a lowly civilian.


So there are multiple ways to get your commission as an officer. For the Marine Corps, you can go through something called a Platoon Leaders Class, which is basically summer training during your college years. As far a pogue goes, it's actually POG (People Other than Grunts), which is an insult for non-infantry types like logistics, comms, intelligence, etc that infantry usually use. Put together, he's basically making fun of non-infantry officer, who went through the summer training program.

It's rather funny that he still uses this insult since I don't fall into either categories.
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RE: RE: hmmmmm  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12277124 Wuphat said:
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In comment 12277075 Greg from LI said:


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On the one hand, he's a dimwitted loon. On the other hand, he does hate officers.....I'm so conflicted! :(



Werd


GDI!
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