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Did Army miscalculate support for Jade Helm 15?

Great White Ghost : 5/6/2015 10:52 pm
The massive "Training excercise" to be conducted in 12 states,and involve special forces operators infiltraing local neighborhoods , including "Role players" as terrorists, disgruntled deranged armed vets, drug dealers, illegal aliens, "simulated" mass roundups and detentions scheduled between July 15th and Sept 15th to include special forces from all branches of the service, Marine corp, Army, State, local and federal law enforcement ,homeland security ,FEMA , FBI, CIA, DEA etc , seems to be losing support in the one sector of the Public they were sure would accept it, Texas. Increasingly local authorities are questioning whether they can opt out.It's just interesting the normal media outlets are silent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2wdDZB0b7s& feature=youtu.be
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RE: by the way  
Greg from LI : 5/8/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12277113 MadPlaid said:
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what the heck is a PLC Pogue? Doesn't sound like a good insult to me. Then again, I'm a lowly civilian.


PLC = Platoon Leadership Class. It's a commissioning program for college students, which of course Ronnie didn't attend because he was an Annapolis graduate.

pogue = everyone other than infantry. Pogue = POG: Person Other than Grunt. It's a mild epithet used by grunt types about everyone who is not a grunt.
Oh you wacky military guys  
Headhunter : 5/8/2015 10:15 am : link
with your rib ticking acronyms,LOL!
Ronnie  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:15 am : link
Thank you for the info. Still doesn't sound like much of an insult. Especially since it doesn't apply to you exactly. Plus, why insult the POG's, aren't they essential to the military. Everybody would be up the creek without them, no?
And Ronnie (Greg, Jon, Russell....), I just need to say  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 10:15 am : link
that it offends me for real to see our military service members defamed by this dimwitted conspiracy theory that effectively labels all of our service members as traitors.

Having read Ronnie's dispatches from Iraq, worried about him, and prayed for his safe and sound return, it pisses me off to see him and all you guys insulted so, after the sacrifices you and your families have made.

I mean, seriously, fuck this guy.
RE: And Ronnie (Greg, Jon, Russell....), I just need to say  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12277136 schnitzie said:
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that it offends me for real to see our military service members defamed by this dimwitted conspiracy theory that effectively labels all of our service members as traitors.

Having read Ronnie's dispatches from Iraq, worried about him, and prayed for his safe and sound return, it pisses me off to see him and all you guys insulted so, after the sacrifices you and your families have made.

I mean, seriously, fuck this guy.


Meh, you're a lib. They're only traitors if you're a conservative. It's obvious you're on their side and that's why you're deflecting/dismissing the obvious evidence.





as in a classic Terminal Lance  
Greg from LI : 5/8/2015 10:18 am : link


And a bit of in-depth for you non-jarhead types from the same link:

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They are truly two entirely different cultures; in fact, I would argue that there’s basically three different primary Marine Corps cultures that are largely segregated from each other:
•Infantry
•POGside
•Air Wing

Technically the Wing is still POG, but because the day to day is still vastly different than the regular POGside, it is really its own thing. For clarification (and this seems to be confusing for some people), the definition of a “Grunt” is “infantry,” and you’re not infantry unless your MOS starts with “03.” It really is that simple. Being a POG isn’t a matter of opinion, it simply means that your MOS doesn’t start with “03.”

Semantics aside, something should be abundantly clear here: there’s nothing wrong with being a POG (Person Other-than Grunt). Seriously. No one cares. The only time it’s a problem is when they either get super butt hurt about grunts not respecting them (this article) or when they make vast claims that their job is worse or that being a POG makes them inherently smarter.

The Marine Corps is a big place and has a lot of different roles to fill. Whatever it is you do, just own it. You’re a POG? Be proud to be a POG! Some POG jobs are actually pretty cool. If yours is not, just admit it. For instance (totally random example), there is literally no part about being an 1171 Water Dog that is badass, so don’t try to spin it that way, just own the fact that your job is lame as shit and that you have a small penis.


For the record, however, 5953s ARE inherently smarter than grunts, which is why we get such cushy lives!
Cam nailed it  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:19 am : link
just saying
The implication is that Ronnie was a  
Bill2 : 5/8/2015 10:20 am : link
Chardonnay sipping tennis whites playing liberal arts Ralph Lauren wearing English major who barely squeaks in as a "real Man"

Something Bbi missed when Ronnie and Dune were IN Afghanistan and Iraq.
Thanks, Greg  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:21 am : link
that was a fun and imformative read
Sorry schnitzie  
Bill2 : 5/8/2015 10:22 am : link
I was typing as your post appeared. I remember not seeing posts from these guys for 10-14 days and then learning they were on patrol or on front line missions day and night. And that was during the early hard fighting. Then they did second tours. And Dunes wife did in between his tours.
Ugh!  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:23 am : link
how can I justify correcting others' spelling phuque ups, if I phuque up my own spelling. grumble
RE: The implication is that Ronnie was a  
Semipro Lineman : 5/8/2015 10:28 am : link
In comment 12277155 Bill2 said:
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Chardonnay sipping tennis whites playing liberal arts Ralph Lauren wearing English major who barely squeaks in as a "real Man"

Something Bbi missed when Ronnie and Dune were IN Afghanistan and Iraq.


Just because they were overseas once or twice or a few times, doesn't mean that they didn't become pink polo shirt with a sweater tied around their necks wearing preppies upon their return.
RE: RE: The implication is that Ronnie was a  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12277183 Semipro Lineman said:
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In comment 12277155 Bill2 said:


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Chardonnay sipping tennis whites playing liberal arts Ralph Lauren wearing English major who barely squeaks in as a "real Man"

Something Bbi missed when Ronnie and Dune were IN Afghanistan and Iraq.



Just because they were overseas once or twice or a few times, doesn't mean that they didn't become pink polo shirt with a sweater tied around their necks wearing preppies upon their return.


Ronald has pretty much been shirtless since he got back.
I know for a fact that Ronnie would not wear a Polo shirt.  
Wuphat : 5/8/2015 10:30 am : link
Wait, ignore the word "Polo" in that sentence.
Fuck you, Cam  
Wuphat : 5/8/2015 10:31 am : link
...
Ronnie or Dunn?  
Semipro Lineman : 5/8/2015 10:35 am : link
Semipro  
Bill2 : 5/8/2015 10:36 am : link
I've seen them on cooking threads. A real man eats charred squirrel without taking the fur off. Raw possum is a treat.

I once read a post war debrief of the Japanese War Department.

" we and our children went to the same schools in California. We knew you were soft and cared more about the beach and tennis than taking hard courses and doing real work.

Everything was based on America settling and compromising.
We forgot that the guys who come ashore would be from Alabama and Arkansas.
almost forgot.....there was a new Terminal Lance about this  
Greg from LI : 5/8/2015 10:42 am : link
just the other day....

[img]As for the wing, no one really knows what the fuck goes on over there. They usually get a whole section of the base to themselves, with their own PX and barbershops, and when you occasionally see them on your side of town they’re always wearing flight suits.

No one understands them.[/quote]

Little story absolutely no one will care about but which I'm telling anyway - we had a microcosm like that within the wing itself in Yuma. There was the main base.....and then, for those of us in MACS-1, there was our little home base, P-111. We worked in this little fenced-in enclosure in the middle of nowhere among the orange groves bordered by empty desert 15 minutes down the road from MCAS Yuma. It was all very mysterious for everyone outside of our squadron. Most of the main base people didn't even know where it was.
RE: Ugh!  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12277162 MadPlaid said:
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how can I justify correcting others' spelling phuque ups, if I phuque up my own spelling. grumble


"Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole."

Bwaaaaaaa, it works!
RE: Semipro  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12277209 Bill2 said:
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I've seen them on cooking threads. A real man eats charred squirrel without taking the fur off. Raw possum is a treat.

I once read a post war debrief of the Japanese War Department.

" we and our children went to the same schools in California. We knew you were soft and cared more about the beach and tennis than taking hard courses and doing real work.

Everything was based on America settling and compromising.
We forgot that the guys who come ashore would be from Alabama and Arkansas.


Hahaha. That's good.
RE: RE: Ugh!  
MadPlaid : 5/8/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12277220 schnitzie said:
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"Fuck you. Your a foul mouthed hypocrite and an asshole."

Bwaaaaaaa, it works!


Haha! Bite me!
Well...  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 12:40 pm : link
When I do wear shirts (not often as Cam and Wuphat pointed out), I do like to wear nice pastel colored polo shirts. And I also drink with my pinky up...is that bad?
Ronnie- millering  
idiotsavant : 5/8/2015 1:13 pm : link
I became so hard-up for Kimchi that I had to have some for brekky.

Could not find any where I was at, so I ended up with egg loaf thingy and put a sort of chilied-pickled cucumber on top.

then, into the farmers market, found a lady who farms and makes all sorts of new age pickled cabbage and other vegetables, and had a shot of the juice for a dollar.

similar to kimchi but more varied, albeit a bit more on the who 'quiche eating' side.

good, though. still not satisfied. I have a feeling that this stuff is very good for the guts, sort of in a rif on the recent detox thread.
RE: Ronnie- millering  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 1:23 pm : link
In comment 12277626 idiotsavant said:
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I became so hard-up for Kimchi that I had to have some for brekky.

Could not find any where I was at, so I ended up with egg loaf thingy and put a sort of chilied-pickled cucumber on top.

then, into the farmers market, found a lady who farms and makes all sorts of new age pickled cabbage and other vegetables, and had a shot of the juice for a dollar.

similar to kimchi but more varied, albeit a bit more on the who 'quiche eating' side.

good, though. still not satisfied. I have a feeling that this stuff is very good for the guts, sort of in a rif on the recent detox thread.


Glad that you're a fan of kimchee. It's not for everyone, but it's definitely awesome if you get a good batch. With that being said, remember that picked products aren't really fermented products, so there isn't the whole gut-benefit part to them like kimchee and other natural probiotics. Make sure if you want that gut-benefits, the veggie is in water/salt/spices instead of vinegar.
Bon Chon  
Patrick : 5/8/2015 1:30 pm : link
Great kimchhi cole slaw and wings.

just read this entire thread.

#TeamRonnie
RE: Bon Chon  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12277654 Patrick said:
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Great kimchhi cole slaw and wings.

just read this entire thread.

#TeamRonnie


Bon Chon is good, but if you get the chance, try out Cheogajip Chicken in Annandale or Chantilly, VA (if you are near). That's some awesome fried chicken.
ronnie  
idiotsavant : 5/8/2015 1:40 pm : link
got it. salt water, spices.

not hand lunch yet, the whole world of pickled vegeatbles, fermented vegetables is calling out to me.

IN NYC, so, yeah, there are many, many options.
with a pretty face,  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 1:41 pm : link
a pony tail, hanging down-
a wiggle in her walk and a giggle in her talk...
RE: ronnie  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12277686 idiotsavant said:
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got it. salt water, spices.

not hand lunch yet, the whole world of pickled vegeatbles, fermented vegetables is calling out to me.

IN NYC, so, yeah, there are many, many options.


Yes...in NYC? Shit, you should be able to get some great Korean food. If you can, go down to Flushing, a lot of great Korean food there.
The grunt v POG  
Headhunter : 5/8/2015 1:57 pm : link
is the same dumb argument than I'd rather be street smart than book smart. The only ones to ever say that never got past High School. Why not say I'd rather be street smart AND book smart? oh nevermind
RE: The grunt v POG  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12277724 Headhunter said:
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is the same dumb argument than I'd rather be street smart than book smart. The only ones to ever say that never got past High School. Why not say I'd rather be street smart AND book smart? oh nevermind


I'd rather just be happy.


That's easier when you're dumb.


And even easier when you're not worried about other people and their lives. Especially when their lives have no impact on you.

Unless they're fat. Or stupid. Or think they're better than you. Or have more than you with less effort. Or started with more than you.

Nah, I'll just go back to being dumb.
Cam  
Headhunter : 5/8/2015 2:06 pm : link
you set it up on a tee with a fat softball, but I'm not going to swing
ok guys I'm passing around the plate for donations  
Stu11 : 5/8/2015 2:24 pm : link
we need to pony up for GWG to make another idiotic post to keep this thread lively(with more visual aids and maps if possible). It has too much comedic value to die...
Austin has already fallen  
SwirlingEddie : 5/8/2015 2:43 pm : link


Oh you sheeples  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 2:46 pm : link
Go to East 32nd Street  
Headhunter : 5/8/2015 2:50 pm : link
between 5Th & 6th little Korea and you can get anything Korean that you can get in Seoul
RE: Go to East 32nd Street  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12277847 Headhunter said:
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between 5Th & 6th little Korea and you can get anything Korean that you can get in Seoul


What the hell do you know about Seoul brother?

Ronnie, just because you're Chinese, it doesn't mean  
schnitzie : 5/8/2015 3:02 pm : link
you know shit about Kimchee and Korea.

=;-P
RE: Ronnie, just because you're Chinese, it doesn't mean  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 3:03 pm : link
In comment 12277886 schnitzie said:
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you know shit about Kimchee and Korea.

=;-P


Hey...we're all the same, no?
Dear GreatWhiteGhost:  
Modus Operandi : 5/8/2015 3:45 pm : link
Big fan. Thanks for the laughs.
RE: Sorry schnitzie  
Modus Operandi : 5/8/2015 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12277160 Bill2 said:
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I was typing as your post appeared. I remember not seeing posts from these guys for 10-14 days and then learning they were on patrol or on front line missions day and night. And that was during the early hard fighting. Then they did second tours. And Dunes wife did in between his tours.


Burning huts and wearing Ralph Lauren aren't mutually exclusive.


...unless they are.
RE: RE: Ronnie, just because you're Chinese, it doesn't mean  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12277890 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12277886 schnitzie said:


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you know shit about Kimchee and Korea.

=;-P



Hey...we're all the same, no?


Nope. You Nippon folks are all racialist against Koreans and vice versa. Yellow on yellow crime is an open secret that nobody is willing to discuss and the biggest problem in tiger communities.


I thought it was understood that all asian people from diff countries  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2015 3:54 pm : link
hate each other.
RE: RE: RE: Ronnie, just because you're Chinese, it doesn't mean  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12278000 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 12277890 RC02XX said:


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In comment 12277886 schnitzie said:


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you know shit about Kimchee and Korea.

=;-P



Hey...we're all the same, no?



Nope. You Nippon folks are all racialist against Koreans and vice versa. Yellow on yellow crime is an open secret that nobody is willing to discuss and the biggest problem in tiger communities.



This was true for the older generations. However, we're much more accepting these days. There's harmony among us yellow folks, especially with K-Pop's influence.
RE: I thought it was understood that all asian people from diff countries  
Chris in Philly : 5/8/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12278012 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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hate each other.


Don't be racist. The only thing that is understood about all Asian people is they are bad drivers.
RE: I thought it was understood that all asian people from diff countries  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12278012 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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hate each other.


Exactly!

Why is it nobody talks about it except a certain unnamed cable news station?





RE: RE: Bon Chon  
Patrick : 5/8/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12277670 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12277654 Patrick said:


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Great kimchhi cole slaw and wings.

just read this entire thread.

#TeamRonnie



Bon Chon is good, but if you get the chance, try out Cheogajip Chicken in Annandale or Chantilly, VA (if you are near). That's some awesome fried chicken.


I think there is a Cheogajip in Flushing I will give it a try. Thanks for the recommendation.
RE: RE: I thought it was understood that all asian people from diff countries  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2015 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12278021 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12278012 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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hate each other.



Don't be racist. The only thing that is understood about all Asian people is they are bad drivers.


Don't forget the best part about Orientals:

It's still socially acceptable to make racist jokes about them!


RE: RE: I thought it was understood that all asian people from diff countries  
RC02XX : 5/8/2015 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12278021 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12278012 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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hate each other.



Don't be racist. The only thing that is understood about all Asian people is they are bad drivers.


This is only half truth...we're all good at math as well along with all knowing some kind of martial arts.
This is pitiful  
Great White Ghost : 5/8/2015 4:28 pm : link
You have no pride, no dignity, no self respect. Stop embasrassing yourself already.You have no bottom.
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