If you were the GM of the Giants?? Not if you were Reese and what he would do. Not what T.C. would do.
A simple or no will suffice. Trying to get a beat on what the consensus is here. Feel free to elaborate if you feel the need.
He was my number 1 guy for the Giants regardless if Scherff was on the board or not. Seeing as how our 5th, 6th and 7th picks have sucked for the past five years, I might have traded them all for him.
Point being, I feel the FO had a shot here and missed out. Got to take a chance like Jerrah every now and again. He was not a suspect as the L.A. police said. My feeling is that he annoyed the local authorities by saying, "I'm going to the Combine and I'll talk to y'all later."
The authorities then leaked the story to the press which forced him back to L.A. while, simultaneously, tanking his draft stock.
Just my take. We should have taken the flyer, IMO.
With that being said, 1000% percent YES the Giants should've pull the trigger with the 7th rounder, especially now that the fucking Cowboys get a free 1st rounder...
I understand why, though, in today's media environment that nobody did.
I don't think some of you realize how much shit these owners have to put up with if PR goes south. 32 teams didn't draft this kid.
Dallas simply doesn't give a fuck. They don't care about bad PR or signing low character guys...every other team does, more or less.
Haha...
Make no mistake, that decision was all about money. A 4th rounder I believe will get around $2.7M over 4 years with the ability to renegotiate after 3 seasons. An UDFA gets $1.6M over 3 seasons with the ability to renegotiate after 2 years.
If you're a typical 4-7th rounder who's going to be fighting for a roster spot, the extra $1M is likely worth it. For a 1st round talent that likely thinks he can be at worst a long time starter, he wants to hit FA as soon as possible. Even if he becomes nothing more than a "solid" starting OG, he'll easily make up that extra $1M.
And joining the Dallas OL is going to make his job a lot easier which will make him look better.
If he never plays in the NFL so what. The chances of getting a contributor from round 7 are very low. Giants should have done it.
Me too...they now have a team full of criminals.
Right, so now im a Cowboys fan because im tired if the Giant 'Boy Scout' philosophy? I want to win games. Plain and simple. I wanted Burfict and Bruce Irvin. I want to win. Period. That makes me a Pukes fan?
Ok. Sure. Idiot.
Listen, we're talking about a very good OL prospect, but one that might well wind up at OG in the NFL. We're not talking about an elite prospect, and the Giants got one of the two OTs they wanted, one of the very best players in the entire draft on their board.
With the extra pick in the 7th, you take La'El Collins. (it has cost you absolutely nothing-since you still get Thompson in the 5th and your draft is identical, with the only addition being Collins)
You get Tisch involved. One of his Hollywood buddies gets Collins to do a documentary on the past 2 weeks of his life (especially after a killer is arrested).
Collins is paid for the documentary an amount at least equal to what he lost in signing.
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to be a Cowboy ... f'ing hate him
Me too...they now have a team full of criminals.
So now he's a criminal? This thread has now devolved into the typical BBI hypocrisy.
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fuck this cowboy fan.
Right, so now im a Cowboys fan because im tired if the Giant 'Boy Scout' philosophy? I want to win games. Plain and simple. I wanted Burfict and Bruce Irvin. I want to win. Period. That makes me a Pukes fan?
Ok. Sure. Idiot.
The entire league passed on Burfict in the draft. So, yeah, you're a super genius for nailing that one. One in a row! And I have no idea what you're on about with Bruce Irvin who was drafted something like 20 picks before the Giants picked.
There's no way to know whether Collins would have re-entered the draft. He had that leverage if a team spent the pick. He had to play if they didn't. All the teams passed on him. That's because it's not baseball where you can spend your bonus pool signing other guys if one decides not to sign.
And Jerrah hasn't won shit. Jerry has.
With the extra pick in the 7th, you take La'El Collins. (it has cost you absolutely nothing-since you still get Thompson in the 5th and your draft is identical, with the only addition being Collins)
You get Tisch involved. One of his Hollywood buddies gets Collins to do a documentary on the past 2 weeks of his life (especially after a killer is arrested).
Collins is paid for the documentary an amount at least equal to what he lost in signing.
Or Davis. Exactly. Something creative an outside the box rather than the standard ' get the good guy, team captain' rhetoric.
We haven't seen the playoff in 4 years. Time to change the MO.
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fuck this cowboy fan.
Right, so now im a Cowboys fan because im tired if the Giant 'Boy Scout' philosophy? I want to win games. Plain and simple. I wanted Burfict and Bruce Irvin. I want to win. Period. That makes me a Pukes fan?
Ok. Sure. Idiot.
The entire league passed on Burfict in the draft. So, yeah, you're a super genius for nailing that one. One in a row! And I have no idea what you're on about with Bruce Irvin who was drafted something like 20 picks before the Giants picked.
There's no way to know whether Collins would have re-entered the draft. He had that leverage if a team spent the pick. He had to play if they didn't. All the teams passed on him. That's because it's not baseball where you can spend your bonus pool signing other guys if one decides not to sign.
And Jerrah hasn't won shit. Jerry has.
So because the league passed, I missed?? Ok......
The sum total of the last twenty years or so years as GM is one playoff win against the Lions. Jerry is a two time Super Bowl champ in half the time
That is true for every team as they are kicking themselves in the ass right now while Dallas added a first round player to their team.
If he had decided to sign with the Giants the front office would be lauded. All 32 teams rolled the dice on this kid and they all came up craps, except the Cowboys. Nobody messed this up.
Perhaps Goodell said not to draft him behind closed doors. I'll never know. But my criticisms here are applicable to all teams. I'm over it - hopefully our line's good enough this year!
Perhaps Goodell said not to draft him behind closed doors. I'll never know. But my criticisms here are applicable to all teams. I'm over it - hopefully our line's good enough this year!
Did they really mishandle things though? Unless he's a total bust, he'll make more money this way then if he was drafted even in the 4th round, let alone the 7th. Hart is tied up for an extra season and only received an additional $700k.
Hell, John Jerry just signed a 2 year, $3.3M deal. So all Collins has to do is perform as well as Jerry and he comes out ahead as a UDFA compared to a 4th-7th round pick.
I'd argue his agent knew exactly what he was doing when he threatened to sit a year if Collins was drafted Day 3.
My 'mishandling' comment assumes that he wanted to be drafted - I guess if you fall out of the second or third round the alternative of having your pick of teams to go to could be preferable for a prospect of his caliber. Perhaps if his camp didn't make so much noise he would have been drafted in the fourth or fifth?