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UCLA DL Coach On Odi

KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 12:39 pm
Some good quotes in this article from the UCLA coach.

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“Physically, he’s an extremely strong player,” McClure said. “At 270, I’d use him inside at times knowing he’d hold up against any offensive lineman we see. He’s got great strength, great mobility. ‘Owa’ can play anywhere on the line of scrimmage and he has. He can line up anywhere from the ‘9’ technique to head up on the tight end to outside an offensive tackle on a ‘5’ technique.


Sounds to me like a Tuck-clone.

That's what I see on the field with Odi. I really believe we found one of the best defensive players in the draft in round 3.

He's going to help us instantly too. I'd bet on him starting this year and DE and we will use him like a young Tuck and move him inside on pass downs.

A little more from the article....

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Odighizuwa played the “Buck” end position in UCLA’s defense, the same spot Datone Jones and Seattle’s Cassius Marsh occupied. McClure said the staff sticks their most athletic defensive end here.

And ‘Owa’ is actually further along than the first-rounder Jones was in several areas, he said.

“At this point in their careers, he’s a little bit stronger than Datone,” McClure said. “He probably has a little bit more upfield speed than Datone. He’s quite a bit leaner than Datone. Owa’s body fat is right around 6%. When he steps on the stage at Indianapolis, people are going to think they’re at a bodybuilding competition. He’s going to blow everyone away.


This was before the combine and he did workout like a champ. Tuck had an exceptional workout. Odi's was even better. He was faster, stronger, quicker, more explosive with longer arms and bigger hands than Tuck.



This is the next great Giant defensive player and we will see it early. They won't be able to keep him off the field early in 2015.



Odi article - ( New Window )
I hope you are right. Tuck became very skilled and could  
BeerFridge : 5/8/2015 12:49 pm : link
rush in lots of ways. I think Odiggy is pretty raw. It's up to him to develop the same level of skill.
I still cant believe we got LC and Odi  
armstead98 : 5/8/2015 12:52 pm : link
If you told me those were our first two picks I would have been pleased. The fact that it was our #2 and 3 is insane. On paper this is the best draft I've ever seen. Can't wait for the real camp to start.
when I see photos of him  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 1:05 pm : link
the fact that he's 270 is incredibly impressive. He seemingly has no fat! It's 270 bounds of all muscle at 6'3!
It's pretty cool  
Joey in VA : 5/8/2015 1:06 pm : link
That he was a BBI fave for months and we nabbed him. He's going to be a big big lift to that DL.
Love the pick considering like Tuck  
Coach Mason : 5/8/2015 1:09 pm : link
we got him in the 3rd round due to serious injury.

Odi is very technique advanced for a college DE. Showing spin, rip and bull rush ability.

The biggest issue I see is his running the arc with leverage toward the QB. Part of it maybe technique but part of it may be due to the hip surgeries. Normally you see a 'lean' into the tackle which allows the defender to maintain a tighter trajectory without getting pushed past the QB. However Osi when speed rushing is much more upright though it looks like he is trying to lean into the Tackle as much as possible. Subsequently, without the leverage gained by that ideal lean, he gets pushed wider outside the pocket. This may limit his full potential as a pass rusher off the edge.

However I am not the medical expert so perhaps there is a chance he regains full hip flexibility in the future.
I'm so excited about our premium picks this year  
Chris684 : 5/8/2015 1:09 pm : link
we added a mauler at RT who will start from day 1.

In the 2nd and 3rd rounds we added two guys who we were all split on drafting in the 2nd! To be able to add both of them is tremendous.
KWALL  
Marty866b : 5/8/2015 1:11 pm : link
We both saw how OO destroyed USC's line in Nov.His tape is really impressive and he is a lot like Tuck with his versatility. He's also very intelligent so the learning curve will not be difficult for him. He is easily my favorite guy from this draft. KWALL,you have been tooting Odi's horn for a while and you are right.
Poor man's Tuck  
Deej : 5/8/2015 1:32 pm : link
I hate the straight comparison. Tuck has more sacks his junior year (13.5) than Odi had in his entire UCLA career (12.5). I think if Tuck had never had the injury that he would have been the top 4-3 end in the draft and therefore would have gone no later than #20 (DEs went 18 and 20).
Deej  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2015 1:34 pm : link
But Odighiuwa played in a 3-4 and he missed his junior year. In terms of physical upside, he may actually be a better prospect than Tuck.
I personally love the pick,  
OBJ4President : 5/8/2015 2:00 pm : link
but measurables have never tackled anyone or picked up a sack. I'm not telling you guys anything you don't know, but physical tools are rarely what makes a great NFL player. Hope he's everything we all hope he is, but he's going to have to do some things before I start comparing him to anyone.
the comparisons are purely size  
Tuckrule : 5/8/2015 2:01 pm : link
they are the same size and can lineup inside an outside that is basically where the comparison ends. Tuck benefited greatly from strahan and osi as far as learning and professionalism. lets hope JPP can help out Odi.
RE: I personally love the pick,  
Randy in CT : 5/8/2015 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12277730 OBJ4President said:
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but measurables have never tackled anyone or picked up a sack. I'm not telling you guys anything you don't know, but physical tools are rarely what makes a great NFL player. Hope he's everything we all hope he is, but he's going to have to do some things before I start comparing him to anyone.
Then why do you love the pick so much?
So, dumb question,  
lawguy9801 : 5/8/2015 2:21 pm : link
if he's that phenomenal (and I hope he is), why did he last until the 3rd round?
Injury worries.  
Klaatu : 5/8/2015 2:22 pm : link
Same reason Tuck dropped to the 3rd.
I think this guy will be good with the hips being the concern  
SomeFan : 5/8/2015 2:35 pm : link
I hope they are not chronicly bad and the 3 hip surgeries were extremely minor
Most 3-4 DEs don't put up big football stats  
JonC : 5/8/2015 2:35 pm : link
Their duties are tied to contain and eating double teams to free up the LBs, most of the time. In that respect, he was wasted at UCLA in a 3-4 front but flashed pass rushing ability, strong at the POA, and the ability to take games over from his edge. He has the demonstrated AA and power to play 4-3 DE, and it will be really interesting to see how he develops. I mentioned him and Peat to BBI last October as two prospects to watch for NYG.
law  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2015 2:37 pm : link
he was off the draft boards of some teams because of his twice-surgically repaired hip labrum.
Why didnt he play OLB in UCLAs 3-4?  
Deej : 5/8/2015 2:43 pm : link
At least some of the time? Did they have that many monster pass rushers?

I don't think he's quite that athletic  
JonC : 5/8/2015 2:48 pm : link
Playing OLB in space requires AA, COD, ability to track receivers and a different level of awareness etc that DL tend to not have. Similar to why we wouldn't want JPP at OLB.
Physical tools are the most important factor  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 2:48 pm : link
Nothing is more important.

His measurables are better than Tucks. He's longer, stronger, faster, and more explosive. And Tuck was an elite measurables guy too.

The sack numbers mean nothing. Was the guy consistently disruptive? Yes. Does he have a game and AA that will work when moving up to the NFL? Yes again.

He is not raw. He will start early. Selvie, Moore, Ayers, Wynn? These guys won't be able to keep him off the field.
Kev  
JonC : 5/8/2015 2:49 pm : link
Absolutely.
Marty  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 2:50 pm : link
He was one of my favorites from the draft too. I really liked WR Parker too.
Deej  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 2:53 pm : link
The coach said they put their best guy in that "Buck" position. See quote above.

He's a beast vs the run. Excellent at the LOS even vs 330lb OL. They moved him inside on short yardage. He simply had a bigger impact at his position than he probably would have had at OLB.

One of this best games was vs Virginia. His stat line: 2 tackles. However, they moved him all over and he was in the backfield all day. Several hits on the QB. One hit lead to a pick 6 INT.

Production is about not about sacks.
Ok, I wont complain  
Deej : 5/8/2015 2:55 pm : link
if he's 80% of the player Tuck was then he's a massive steal.
For people that have the time and patience, here's a link to a discuss  
BlueLou : 5/8/2015 2:55 pm : link
of Odi by Matt Waldman and a friend, with extensive review of specific plays, going over Odi's good and bad. I gather Coach Mason has seen this? Because his comments above mirror the comments of Waldman and his gues tape evaluator.

During the game vs U VA, Odi is "making" play after play after play, although he barely registers a sack or tackle or TFL for his efforts, but his "pressures" on the QB are like 75% of his rushes, and one easy pick six came off one of Odi's pressures.

The analysts talk a lot about how "smart and aware" Odi is, and IMO he may be more like Tuck in that way than any other. This kid has a very, very high FBIQ.

He would not qualify for Tuck's "weeblie-wobbly" nickname that Osi bestowed on Tuck; he doesn't have THAT type of athleticism, it appears. But he's good with his hands, is quick off the ball, and you can see his strength very well at times with the commentators' help - like on one spin move where a backward thrown elbow absolutely jacks up his opposing OT.
RSP film room No. 29 ODI - ( New Window )
Running the 40  
LS : 5/8/2015 2:56 pm : link
with NFL Network comments....
Odi - ( New Window )
Boylhart thinks his best position is RDE  
Milton : 5/8/2015 2:59 pm : link
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He plays a lot on the left side of the defense for his college team, but when they moved him over to the right side against a left tackle in four down lineman set up, this kid explodes off the ball because he has more room to maneuver, which is when you see his true talents to impact as a pass rusher.

Other assorted quotes from Boylhart....
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He might be the best in this draft with using the correct technique to stand his opponent up on the line of scrimmage, shed him and make tackles on the line of scrimmage.
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Owamagbe is a bit raw right now, but his improvement from one year to the next and from one game to the next has been impressive.
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He takes an excellent angle to the quarterback, making it difficult for any QB to move up in the pocket or get out of the pocket.
Quotes from today from Owa  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2015 3:01 pm : link
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Q: How did you learn so much about the history of the Giants?

A: Honestly it sounds crazy, but I watched a lot of defensive linemen and particularly the Giants defensive line. I always felt like they were the best in football for a very long time. From Justin Tuck, to Osi Umenyiora, to [Michael] Strahan obviously and [Mathias Kiwanuka] who I don’t think is on the team now. I watched a lot of them. When I started watching professional football, it started with the Giants and I forget what year it was that they played the Patriots in the Super Bowl, and that is when I really fell in love with them and it inspired me to be better as a defensive lineman. I watched a ton of these guys as much as I could. Jason Pierre-Paul – the year he broke out and had 16.5 sacks. I watched a lot of them.



Q: Is this the perfect team for you because of the impact the defensive linemen have?

A: Yeah, anytime you are in a ‘43’ system and your linemen are asked to attack up field and wreak havoc it is always exciting. I feel like my skill set is definitely fitting for that type of defense, so I am excited about it. I think it is going to be great for me and I am going to bring a lot to the defense. Working hard every day and staying versatile and staying coachable.
Pretty good chance Odi is starting at LDE opposite JPP  
BlueLou : 5/8/2015 3:01 pm : link
week 1. That's a very nice thing about him, he's more suited to LDE than RDE, so JPP will stay in his "natural" spot, and Odi will face NFL ORTs to start, where he'll likely find more success as a pass rusher than he would vs Tyron Smith, Jason Peters and Trent Williams in our division.
Milton, that's all well and good.  
Klaatu : 5/8/2015 3:03 pm : link
But what nickname did Boylhart give him?
Milton, Boylehart's point there may be more that Odi fits a 4-3  
BlueLou : 5/8/2015 3:07 pm : link
or rather a 4-3 is more a perfect fit for Odi, rather than the 3-4 UCLA employed most often.

Because being at left or right DE doesn't mean a damn so far as "more room to operate" is concerned, but playing in a 4-3 front he won't be double teamed as much - unless the opposition specifically calls for it.

Which, BTW on the RSP film room tape, is what happened starting in the 2nd quarter vs U VA; the coaches decided Odi was too disruptive to handle one on one...
Can't not  
OC2.0 : 5/8/2015 3:08 pm : link
Get pumped reading all you NCAA gurus beating his drum. The next bigtime DE for us, hopefully. JR killed the 1st 2 days, imo
Klaatu really nails the important points.  
BlueLou : 5/8/2015 3:09 pm : link
:<)
Measurable comparison  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 3:19 pm : link
Justin Tuck 6050 268lb Arm: 33" Hand: 9 5/8" 40:4.71
Bench: 24 Vert: 37 1/2" Broad: 9'10" 3-Cone: 7.33 SS: 4.29

Owa Odighizuwa 6034 267lb Arm: 33 3/4" Hand: 11" 40: 4.62 Bench:25 Vert: 39" Broad: 10'7" 3-Cone: 7.36 SS: 4.19

Odi with better numbers across the board but very close in every area.

He has Tuck-like versatility too. That's what he's going to bring to NYG this year.

As Joey said, it is cool that a guy many of us liked pre-draft is on the team. He's an easy guy to cheer for with his hustle and style.
Tuck kind of needed a year to finish cooking before he came out  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2015 3:22 pm : link
as a contributor, right?

Still, there are things Tuck did physically that I'm not sure come through in combine numbers. For one, Tuck had impossible balance on his feet. He didn't get knocked down easily at all. He could shed blocks and bounce off guys and still get wherever he wanted.
So happy Giants got him.  
Boy Cord : 5/8/2015 3:29 pm : link
I say we call him O2?
Tuck  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 3:33 pm : link
had a tougher lineup to crack.

Before Odi, we were very thin at DE. He will start rookie year.
the broad jump is a pretty good measure of balance  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 3:40 pm : link
because you can't move when you land
RE: Measurable comparison  
BlueLou : 5/8/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12277926 KWALL2 said:
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Justin Tuck 6050 268lb Arm: 33" Hand: 9 5/8" 40:4.71
Bench: 24 Vert: 37 1/2" Broad: 9'10" 3-Cone: 7.33 SS: 4.29

Owa Odighizuwa 6034 267lb Arm: 33 3/4" Hand: 11" 40: 4.62 Bench:25 Vert: 39" Broad: 10'7" 3-Cone: 7.36 SS: 4.19

Odi with better numbers across the board but very close in every area.

He has Tuck-like versatility too. That's what he's going to bring to NYG this year.

As Joey said, it is cool that a guy many of us liked pre-draft is on the team. He's an easy guy to cheer for with his hustle and style.


But Kevin - how many consecutive backwards hand-springs can he execute?
in other words  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 3:43 pm : link
in the broad jump, you can't do this:

Another reason to like him  
KWALL2 : 5/8/2015 3:46 pm : link
Reports at SR Bowl had him whipping an LSU OL named Collins.
RE: Milton, Boylehart's point there may be more that Odi fits a 4-3  
giants#1 : 5/8/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12277899 BlueLou said:
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or rather a 4-3 is more a perfect fit for Odi, rather than the 3-4 UCLA employed most often.

Because being at left or right DE doesn't mean a damn so far as "more room to operate" is concerned, but playing in a 4-3 front he won't be double teamed as much - unless the opposition specifically calls for it.

Which, BTW on the RSP film room tape, is what happened starting in the 2nd quarter vs U VA; the coaches decided Odi was too disruptive to handle one on one...


I think the "more room to operate" refers to the TE usually lining up next to the RT, so the RDE doesn't need to worry about getting chipped coming off the edge.
RE: Milton, that's all well and good.  
Milton : 5/8/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12277889 Klaatu said:
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But what nickname did Boylhart give him?

No nickname, but he did have this to say....
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Owamagbe is going to be the type of defensive end opponents will have to double and triple team to move him off the line. The truth is, I’m not convinced double and triple teaming him will still move him that much in the opponent’s favor. This kid is a bear to deal with and like a bear, he doesn’t like to dance -- he likes to eat.
And he usually follows a quote like that with a nickname like "Odi the Bear," but he didn't this time.
re: starting  
giants#1 : 5/8/2015 3:57 pm : link
If Odi's as good as he sounds in these reports, then the Ayers injury might be a blessing in disguise. I don't see Ayers 100% by camp, so Odi should at a minimum start out with the 2's. It'll be interesting to see if Selvie or Moore starts camp opposite JPP.

no matter  
blueberry : 5/8/2015 5:06 pm : link
we've determined the cowboy o-line is impenetrable -we are doomed
If he  
Budokan : 5/8/2015 5:11 pm : link
turns out to be stud then I think this defense can be very good.
RE: Klaatu really nails the important points.  
Klaatu : 5/8/2015 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12277903 BlueLou said:
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:<)


You're damned right! For ten bucks a year, I want to read something like, I call him Double O, because he has a License to Dominate.
RE: For people that have the time and patience, here's a link to a discuss  
Coach Mason : 5/8/2015 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12277868 BlueLou said:
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of Odi by Matt Waldman and a friend, with extensive review of specific plays, going over Odi's good and bad. I gather Coach Mason has seen this? Because his comments above mirror the comments of Waldman and his gues tape evaluator.

During the game vs U VA, Odi is "making" play after play after play, although he barely registers a sack or tackle or TFL for his efforts, but his "pressures" on the QB are like 75% of his rushes, and one easy pick six came off one of Odi's pressures.

The analysts talk a lot about how "smart and aware" Odi is, and IMO he may be more like Tuck in that way than any other. This kid has a very, very high FBIQ.

He would not qualify for Tuck's "weeblie-wobbly" nickname that Osi bestowed on Tuck; he doesn't have THAT type of athleticism, it appears. But he's good with his hands, is quick off the ball, and you can see his strength very well at times with the commentators' help - like on one spin move where a backward thrown elbow absolutely jacks up his opposing OT. RSP film room No. 29 ODI - ( New Window )


THis is an excellent video and shows alot of his strengths as well as the potential 'stiff hips' issue. Hopefully it is something that can and will improve as that would make him potentially very dangerous as an outside pass-rusher.
RE: RE: Klaatu really nails the important points.  
santacruzom : 5/8/2015 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12278137 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12277903 BlueLou said:


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:<)



You're damned right! For ten bucks a year, I want to read something like, I call him Double O, because he has a License to Dominate.


That's better than any nickname Bolyhart would craft.
RE: Deej  
SGMen : 5/8/2015 11:11 pm : link
In comment 12277665 Eric from BBI said:
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But Odighiuwa played in a 3-4 and he missed his junior year. In terms of physical upside, he may actually be a better prospect than Tuck.
If he had played injury free his junior year I wonder if he ends up a late first round pick? I hope he's Tuck + !!
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